F1WRCR 1953 season - Post-season prize money up!

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Bracco -39
Schell -39
de Graffenried -29
Trintignant -24
Bettenhausen -24
Whitehead -17
Ascari -10
Manzon -6
Farina -6
Bira -6
Sanesi 1
Parnell 5
Moss 11
Gonzalez 16
Serafini 18
Pagani 21
Gordini 23
Ruttman 24
Fangio 32
Rubirosa 33

Also, since performance gaps are much larger than they used to, performance bonuses won't be doubled this time in order to avoid extreme gaps at the end of over 20 laps, for example. They will be larger than in previous seasons, but had I doubled the gaps, they would be three times larger than previously.

Anyway, any predictions?
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tommykl wrote:de Graffenried -34
Fangio -32
Sanesi -30
Gordini -20
Ruttman -13
Bracco -8
Trintignant -8
Ascari -7
Schell 0
Serafini 3
Bira 4
Farina 5
Parnell 8
Pagani 9
Whitehead 10
Bettenhausen 17
Rubirosa 29
Gonzalez 32
Manzon 41
Moss 43

Also, since performance gaps are much larger than they used to, performance bonuses won't be doubled this time in order to avoid extreme gaps at the end of over 20 laps, for example. They will be larger than in previous seasons, but had I doubled the gaps, they would be three times larger than previously.

Anyway, any predictions?


Sanesi vs de Graffenreid for the win. With Parnell and Serafini dueling for runners up.
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Did something wrong with Manzon's laps. Thankfully, I hadn't started the race yet, so only his laps had to be redone. His performance is now 27 instead of 41.

EDIT: You know what? Screw it. I'll re-do the whole thing.
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Alright, so seven drivers will finish the race. As for retirements, there is a 2/3 chance that it will be a mechanical failure. From these, one in three will involve the engine. In this case, the cost of repair will be between nothing and 1 and a half times the cost of building said engine.

For accidents, here is the chart for repair costs.
Category 1: 0-25% the cost of the chassis
2: 20-45%
3: 40-65%
4: 60-85%, 5% chance of a write-off
5: 80-105%, 10% chance of a write-off
6: 100-125%, 25% chance of a write-off
7: 120-145%, 50% chance of a write-off
8: 140-165%, 75% chance of a write-off

In case of a write-off, the chassis can not be repaired and a new one must be built/purchased.

To repeat: 7 drivers will finish while 13 will retire. There will be one category 4 accident, two category 2 accident, one category 1 accident, two engine failures and seven other mechanical failures.
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tommykl wrote:For accidents, here is the chart for repair costs.
Category 1: 0-25% the cost of the chassis
2: 20-45%
3: 40-65%
4: 60-85%, 5% chance of a write-off
5: 80-105%, 10% chance of a write-off
6: 100-125%, 25% chance of a write-off
7: 120-145%, 50% chance of a write-off
8: 140-165%, 75% chance of a write-off

In case of a write-off, the chassis can not be repaired and a new one must be built/purchased.


Beyond category 5, there's no point having the write-off RNG as it's an economic write-off anyway :P
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Wizzie wrote:
tommykl wrote:For accidents, here is the chart for repair costs.
Category 1: 0-25% the cost of the chassis
2: 20-45%
3: 40-65%
4: 60-85%, 5% chance of a write-off
5: 80-105%, 10% chance of a write-off
6: 100-125%, 25% chance of a write-off
7: 120-145%, 50% chance of a write-off
8: 140-165%, 75% chance of a write-off

In case of a write-off, the chassis can not be repaired and a new one must be built/purchased.


Beyond category 5, there's no point having the write-off RNG as it's an economic write-off anyway :P


... which is the actual definition of a write-off anyway.
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Re: F1WRCR 1953 season - Monaco race performance up!

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Salamander wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
tommykl wrote:For accidents, here is the chart for repair costs.
Category 1: 0-25% the cost of the chassis
2: 20-45%
3: 40-65%
4: 60-85%, 5% chance of a write-off
5: 80-105%, 10% chance of a write-off
6: 100-125%, 25% chance of a write-off
7: 120-145%, 50% chance of a write-off
8: 140-165%, 75% chance of a write-off

In case of a write-off, the chassis can not be repaired and a new one must be built/purchased.


Beyond category 5, there's no point having the write-off RNG as it's an economic write-off anyway :P


... which is the actual definition of a write-off anyway.

Well, I meant that it would be impossible to repair, but yeah, from category 6 onwards, the car's certain to be a wreck anyway :lol:
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May 17th 1953, Monaco Grand Prix

Parnell got off to a brilliant start, leaving everyone in his dust. Serafini and Sanesi followed him, with Manzon, de Graffenried and Gonzalez behind them. Despite all their best efforts, they were unable to catch up very quickly. Their attempts to do so streched out the pack, and Serafini was quickly left alone in second place ahead of Manzon, Sanesi, Gonzalez and Farina. In fact, the whole front of the grid was bunched together apart from the untouchable Reg Parnell. The only one who was falling back was Stirling Moss, who was in a distant eleventh place by lap 12, his spot in the top ten effectively taken by Giovanni Bracco.

By lap 14, Toulo de Graffenried took second place to lead the charge against Reg Parnell, but this didn't last. On the following lap, his transmission failed at the Casino, leaving him as the first retirement of the race. Three laps later, Stirling Moss also retired, this time from an oil leak, out of tenth position leaving 18 cars in the race. Almost immediately afterwards, Harry Schell blew an engine out of thirteenth place as the third retirement of the race. Among the confusion, Bettenhausen and Trintignant made up some of the gap back to the main pack.

Towards lap 20, Robert Manzon broke away from the pack and attempted to catch Parnell, although Farina vaguely managed to hold on, which only managed to stretch out the back a bit more, as Parnell simply picked up the pace to compensate. Keeping up became increasingly difficult, and the main pack was an accident waiting to happen. The fight for seventh place was especially tough between Serafini, Bracco and Sanesi. Consalvo lost it under braking at the Chicane on lap 25 and was sent into the stone wall on the left side of the track, colliding with the straw bales and coming to a halt in the run-off. Miraculously, Sanesi walked out of the car unhurt.

Manzon proceeded to break away once more, though still too far from Parnell to make a difference. Gonzalez, Farina and Bira all followed from a distance, followed by Fangio, Serafini, Bracco and Trintignant. However, Robert was pushing too hard, and his gearbox promptly gave up on lap 32, leaving Aldo Gordini as the final running Gordini, in eleventh position out of fifteen remaining.

The chasing pack at that point consisted of Fangio, Bira, Trintignant, Bracco, Farina, Serafini and Gonzalez in constantly changing order. Well, until lap 37, when Gonzalez lost control of his Aston Martin, throwing the car into the straw bales at Sainte Dévote. He was in third place at the time. The field was already down to 14, and the race hadn't yet reached halfway. Bettenhausen duly took his place in the chasing pack.

Around that time, Farina and Bracco gained a short lead over the others, with Bracco leading Farina, and therefore in a scarcely believable second position, although still miles behind Reg Parnell. They failed to make up any ground though, and were instead cought by Dorino Serafini. Around the same time, Tony Bettenhausen's Aston Martin contracted race-ending steering issues. The American was in seventh position. He was soon joined on the sidelines by Porfirio Rubirosa's Ambrosiana, suffering from a similar problem. He was fighting for second-last position with Nello Pagani.

Apart from the battle for second and a fight for tenth between Gordini, Ruttman and Pagani, the field was very spread out, and so at the halfway point of the race, Parnell had a huge lead over Bracco, Serafini, Farina, Bira, Trintignant, Fangio, Whitehead, Ascari, Ruttman, Pagani and Gordini.

For Parnell to have been so dominant, he must have thought he was at the Nürburgring, but he wouldn't score the fastest lap. That honour would go to Dorino Serafini, who overtook Bracco for second place in the process. Well, until lap 58, where the Ferrari transmission gave up, probably from the stress its driver was putting on it. Bira took the opportunity to catch up to Bracco and Farina.

But from lap 55 onwards, Parnell's lap times became slower and slower. Perhaps he thought his lead was large enough, or perhaps he was experiencing some mechanical issues. In any case, Giovanni Bracco was now eating into his lead, followed by Bira and Farina. In fact, by lap 67, most of the gap had simply disappeared. However, Giuseppe Farina wouldn't be part of the chase any more, as he span around at the Chicane, colliding with the remainders of the straw bales struck by Sanesi earlier on. He was in fourth place at the time, leaving ten drivers remaining.

Parnell was now driving a race of conservation. It was obvious that the car was misfiring, so he had to drive as fast as possible while preserving the car. Losing the lead would only be a matter of laps. On lap 71, he was still ahead when the race was reduced to nine drivers when Aldo Gordini span out at Portier, stalling the car. He was in 8th position in his first Grand Prix start.

Reg Parnell held on until lap 76, when Giovanni Bracco made his way through into the lead at Massenet. Bira was third, followed by Trintignant, Whitehead, Ascari, Fangio, Pagani and Ruttman. Two laps later, Bira passed Parnell as well to rise to second position in his Aston-Jaguar, a great performance for the team with Trintignant in fourth position himself. This time, Reg put up a fight and took second again on lap 79, only to relinquish the position on lap 82. Incredibly, on the next lap, he was through once again!

In fact, Bira was also having car trouble, making himself and Parnell easy targets for Peter Whitehead and Maurice Trintignant, who both were catching up. In fact, both of them passed him on lap 89, but Whitehead fell behind his ex-team mate on the following lap. However, that was not the most important event of lap 90. At the very front, heartbreak occurred when Giovanni Bracco's gearbox blew up in flames, taking away a certain maiden victory for Scuderia Ambrosiana and Bracco himself.

Also, Alberto Ascari was making his way back into the pack. On lap 92, Ascari had passed Whitehead and was neck and neck with Bira, Trintignant being well up the road and now in second place behind Reg Parnell, who was incredibly back in the race lead! In other news, Troy Ruttman's engine exploded around the same time. He was in 8th and last position.

From here on in, relating the orders of position three to five would be useless, as the order was constantly switching. Parnell ended up scoring his third career victory ahead of Maurice Trintignant, who scores his third podium, while he and Bira score JAMR's sixth and seventh podiums without a single victory. Whitehead saves the day and three points for Alfa Romeo from the back of the grid, while Ascari also manages to score the first points for the Mercedes engine.

1. Reg Parnell (Ferrari) 3:02:01.3
2. Maurice Trintignant (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +41.5
3. B. Bira (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +1 lap
4. Peter Whitehead (Alfa Romeo) +1 lap
5. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Mercedes) +1 lap
6. Juan Manuel Fangio (Ferrari) +3 laps
7. Nello Pagani (Maserati) +6 laps
Ret. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Alfa Romeo) +11 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari) +14 laps/Engine
Ret. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) +34 laps/Spin
Ret. Aldo Gordini (Gordini) +35 laps/Spin
Ret. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) +45 laps/Transmission
Ret. Porfirio Rubirosa (Ambrosiana-Alfa Romeo) +57 laps/Steering
Ret. Tony Bettenhausen (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +59 laps/Steering
Ret. José Froilan Gonzalez (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +65 laps/Spin
Ret. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +69 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) +77 laps/Accident
Ret. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) +83 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Harry Schell (Ferrari) +83 laps/Engine
Ret. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) +86 laps/Transmission

Fastest lap: Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) - 1:47.6

Championship standings
Drivers

1. Reg Parnell - 8
2. Maurice Trintignant - 6
3. B. Bira - 4
4. Peter Whitehead - 3
5. Alberto Ascari - 2
6. Dorino Serafini - 1

Constructors
1. Ferrari - 8
2. Aston Martin-Jaguar - 6
3. Alfa Romeo - 3
4. Phoenix-Mercedes - 2

Entrants
1. Scuderia Ferrari - 8
2. Jaguar-Aston Martin Racing - 6
3. Alfa Romeo SpA - 3
4. Phoenix Racing Organisation - 2

Eventual injuries, repair costs and prize money will be posted tomorrow, and budgets will be updated at the same time.
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Stan didn't do all that well, but at least he made it past pre-qualifying, and Nello ran consistently, even if not all that well. Onwards to the next race.
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Post-race report
Injuries
Despite the five accidents that occurred during the race, none of the drivers involved suffered any injuries.

Repair costs
Harry Schell's engine (Ferrari 550 engine 2) - £1 861
Consalvo Sanesi's chassis (Gordini G-953 chassis 2) - £19 542
José Froilan Gonzalez' chassis (Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 2) - £11 131
Aldo Gordini's chassis (Gordini G-953 chassis 3) - £4 097
Giuseppe Farina's chassis (Alfa Romeo AR160 chassis 1) - £9 737
Troy Ruttman's engine (Ferrari 550 engine 1) - £7 056

Prize money (distance)
Reg Parnell - £2 000
Maurice Trintignant - £2 000
B. Bira - £1 990
Peter Whitehead - £1 990
Alberto Ascari - £1 990
Juan Manuel Fangio - £1 970
Nello Pagani - £1 940
Giovanni Bracco - £1 890
Troy Ruttman - £1 860
Giuseppe Farina - £1 660
Aldo Gordini - £1 650
Dorino Serafini - £1 550
Porfirio Rubirosa - £1 430
Tony Bettenhausen - £1 410
José Froilan Gonzalez - £1 350
Robert Manzon - £1 310
Consalvo Sanesi - £1 230
Stirling Moss - £1 170
Harry Schell - £1 170
Toulo de Graffenried - £1 140
Eric Brandon - £500
David Hampshire - £500
Maria Teresa de Filippis - £500
Piero Taruffi - £500
Luigi Villoresi - £500
Stan Jones - £500
Manfred von Brauchitsch - £500
Johnny Claes - £500
Edgar Barth - £0
Lance Macklin - £0
Rudi Fischer - £0
Fritz Riess - £0
Paul Frère - £0
Geoff Richardson - £0
Peter Collins - £0
Günther Bechem - £0
Lex Davison - £0
Chico Landi - £0
Duncan Hamilton - £0
Umberto Maglioli - £0

To which we add the pot of £125 000 (the other £125 000 go to the season-ending pot). The top 15 in covered distance each receive at least £1 000 (growing in increments of £1 000 according to position), with the top five each receiving a further £750. The remaining £1 250 is again split, with £500 going to the race winner and the remaining £750 to the fastest lap holder. And so, here are the prize money figures:

Reg Parnell - £16 250
Maurice Trintignant - £14 750
B. Bira - £13 750
Peter Whitehead - £12 750
Alberto Ascari - £11 750
Juan Manuel Fangio - £10 000
Nello Pagani - £9 000
Giovanni Bracco - £8 000
Troy Ruttman - £7 000
Giuseppe Farina - £6 000
Aldo Gordini - £5 000
Dorino Serafini - £4 750
Porfirio Rubirosa - £3 000
Tony Bettenhausen - £2 000
José Froilan Gonzalez - £1 000

Budgets are now updated accounting for prize money. Repairs may be paid over time and at any time the team owner wishes.

So here's how things will go regarding transport costs:
-The cost remains the same, £1 per km traveled per chassis.
-The chassis will automatically travel from its last place of use to its next place of use in the season, and will not follow the others if it is not going to be entered.
-If the chassis is not entered in any further races in the season, it will automatically be returned to the team base.
-Only chassis apply. Engines are basically transported "free of charge".

Chassis may be returned to the team base if the team owner wishes so. The team base is the only place where upgrades may be carried out. They may be done to both chassis and engines. Upgrades will cost half the price of the chassis/engine's building cost (so a maximum of £12 500 for a chassis and £7 500 for an engine), and can either be detrimental, ineffective, helpful or very helpful. In other words, the performance change will be either -1, 0, +1 or +2, with a maximum of 35 for chassis and 30 for engines.

For the chassis/engine's building cost (or twice the cost of a normal upgrade), a "double upgrade" may be carried out, where the performance change is doubled, with a change of either -2, 0, +2 or +4.

As before the season, testing may be carried out at any time for £5 000 per chassis/engine combination tested. Travel costs do not apply for testing, and the result will be the chassis/engine combination's rating out of 54 (the maximum rating possible for a chassis/engine combo without any upgrades), with a maximum of 65/54, obviously.

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Ok, first, I don't know whose responsibility it is for the repairs of the damaged Team America Ferraris, mine or factory Ferra ri? (Or a combination of both).

First things first, I would like to splash out the cash for a double upgrade for the Ultimate Car.

Second, I want to place Troy Ruttman in the Ferrari 555, so he can attempt to defend his Netherlands GP win from last year.

Third, if I have to pay for repairs, then only Schell's engine (550 Engine 2) will be repaired and given to de Graffenreid. Schell will sit out the race. Unless the other Ferrari gets repaired.
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Shadaza wrote:Ok, first, I don't know whose responsibility it is for the repairs of the damaged Team America Ferraris, mine or factory Ferra ri? (Or a combination of both).

First things first, I would like to splash out the cash for a double upgrade for the Ultimate Car.

Second, I want to place Troy Ruttman in the Ferrari 555, so he can attempt to defend his Netherlands GP win from last year.

Third, if I have to pay for repairs, then only Schell's engine (550 Engine 2) will be repaired and given to de Graffenreid. Schell will sit out the race. Unless the other Ferrari gets repaired.

You pay for repairs unless TMLW decides to pay for it himself. Oh, and upgrades are for a specific chassis, not all of them, so I take it only chassis 002a is upgraded?

And that would mean your entry in the Netherlands looks like this:
Edgar Barth - Ultimate chassis 002a, O.S.C.A 3000V8 engine 2
Troy Ruttman - Ferrari 555 chassis 4, Ferrari 555 engine 4
Toulo de Graffenried - Ferrari 550 chassis 2, Ferrari 550 engine 2

Correct?
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tommykl wrote:
Shadaza wrote:Ok, first, I don't know whose responsibility it is for the repairs of the damaged Team America Ferraris, mine or factory Ferra ri? (Or a combination of both).

First things first, I would like to splash out the cash for a double upgrade for the Ultimate Car.

Second, I want to place Troy Ruttman in the Ferrari 555, so he can attempt to defend his Netherlands GP win from last year.

Third, if I have to pay for repairs, then only Schell's engine (550 Engine 2) will be repaired and given to de Graffenreid. Schell will sit out the race. Unless the other Ferrari gets repaired.

You pay for repairs unless TMLW decides to pay for it himself. Oh, and upgrades are for a specific chassis, not all of them, so I take it only chassis 002a is upgraded?

And that would mean your entry in the Netherlands looks like this:
Edgar Barth - Ultimate chassis 002a, O.S.C.A 3000V8 engine 2
Troy Ruttman - Ferrari 555 chassis 4, Ferrari 555 engine 4
Toulo de Graffenried - Ferrari 550 chassis 2, Ferrari 550 engine 2

Correct?


Ok, yup I meant the specific 002a. Yup this is all fine.

Just a reminder to all teams, the 002b is for sale, I am willing to negotiate.
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Shadaza wrote:
tommykl wrote:
Shadaza wrote:Ok, first, I don't know whose responsibility it is for the repairs of the damaged Team America Ferraris, mine or factory Ferra ri? (Or a combination of both).

First things first, I would like to splash out the cash for a double upgrade for the Ultimate Car.

Second, I want to place Troy Ruttman in the Ferrari 555, so he can attempt to defend his Netherlands GP win from last year.

Third, if I have to pay for repairs, then only Schell's engine (550 Engine 2) will be repaired and given to de Graffenreid. Schell will sit out the race. Unless the other Ferrari gets repaired.

You pay for repairs unless TMLW decides to pay for it himself. Oh, and upgrades are for a specific chassis, not all of them, so I take it only chassis 002a is upgraded?

And that would mean your entry in the Netherlands looks like this:
Edgar Barth - Ultimate chassis 002a, O.S.C.A 3000V8 engine 2
Troy Ruttman - Ferrari 555 chassis 4, Ferrari 555 engine 4
Toulo de Graffenried - Ferrari 550 chassis 2, Ferrari 550 engine 2

Correct?


Ok, yup I meant the specific 002a. Yup this is all fine.

Just a reminder to all teams, the 002b is for sale, I am willing to negotiate.

What I'll do is have Ultimate pay for the repairs, and then if Ferrari decide to pay instead, have them pay some compensation. Sounds good?

EDIT: I won't state the results of the upgrades, but the chances of every possible result occurring are:
20% for a -1 (or -2)
30% for a 0
40% for a +1 (or +2)
10% for a +2 (or +4)
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I was going to suggest that Ferrari and Ultimate split the bill 50-50, for this and any future repairs. Sound good to you?
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the Masked Lapwing wrote:I was going to suggest that Ferrari and Ultimate split the bill 50-50, for this and any future repairs. Sound good to you?


Deal.

Ok I want both Ferrari 550's repaired, but I will still only be taking one of them to Zandvoort.
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Do you have to do repairs at your base? Or can you do it anywhere you want?
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Aerospeed wrote:Do you have to do repairs at your base? Or can you do it anywhere you want?

Repairs can be done at the circuit, no need to return to the team base.
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The 2 damaged Gordini chassis will be repaired immediatly
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We are going to wait until next rounds to see if updates are to be done to our cars
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Alright, so only Farina and Gonzalez' chassis need repair now. I'll give DanielPT and Aerospeed until Friday at noon CET to make up their mind about it. If they don't, I'll simply pull their entries, because that's less of a financial injury than to have them build a new chassis ;)
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Repair the chassis, please. Considering Gonzalez spun it out, if he spins again, I might consider benching him for a race. At least we made good on podium finishes with Trintignant and Bira, so I'm still impressed with the teams' overall performance.
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Aerospeed wrote:Repair the chassis, please. Considering Gonzalez spun it out, if he spins again, I might consider benching him for a race. At least we made good on podium finishes with Trintignant and Bira, so I'm still impressed with the teams' overall performance.

In fact, you've made so much on prize money that even with the chassis repairs, you still make over £15 000 of profit :lol:
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tommykl wrote:
Aerospeed wrote:Repair the chassis, please. Considering Gonzalez spun it out, if he spins again, I might consider benching him for a race. At least we made good on podium finishes with Trintignant and Bira, so I'm still impressed with the teams' overall performance.

In fact, you've made so much on prize money that even with the chassis repairs, you still make over £15 000 of profit :lol:


Always a bonus :) But the real profit will come in the form of championships! :)
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Alfa Romeo wants to repair the chassis of Farina. Will also update all chassis and engines and test them afterwards if possible.
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DanielPT wrote:Alfa Romeo wants to repair the chassis of Farina. Will also update all chassis and engines and test them afterwards if possible.

Certainly. For the test, I'll test car 1, then car 2 and car 3, I presume? No engine switching?
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tommykl wrote:Certainly. For the test, I'll test car 1, then car 2 and car 3, I presume? No engine switching?


No engine switching. Each chassis had it's engine specially built for it since as you know all of the chassis are slightly different! ;)
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O.S.C.A. will upgrade both factory cars before taking the first car to Zandvoort.

How exactly does testing work?
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Alright, so before I get the Dutch Grand Prix started, Phoenix Racing Organisation and Reatherson Racing Developments don't have an entry. I know the Reatherson haven't planned on going to Zandvoort, but Phoenix have yet to announce plans for the rest of the season.

pi314159 wrote:O.S.C.A. will upgrade both factory cars before taking the first car to Zandvoort.

How exactly does testing work?

You just tell me which chassis/engine combinations you wish to test, then I send you an e-mail with the combination's total rating out of 54. It costs £5 000 per combination.

Oh, and are you upgrading the chassis only, or the full combination?
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tommykl wrote:
pi314159 wrote:O.S.C.A. will upgrade both factory cars before taking the first car to Zandvoort.

How exactly does testing work?

You just tell me which chassis/engine combinations you wish to test, then I send you an e-mail with the combination's total rating out of 54. It costs £5 000 per combination.

Oh, and are you upgrading the chassis only, or the full combination?

Chassis and engine of both cars, and I would like to test the car which is going to the Dutch GP (chassis 1/engine 1) before the race.
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When i offered to take temporary control of Gordini i stated that i would like to take enter the third chassis into selected events.
So i would like to do that if possible.

As a result Peter Collins will move over from Anglo Racing Engineering to drive the third car which he will share with Aldo Gordini and American Fred Wacker

The breakdown would be as followed

Peter Collins - Dutch, Belgian, German, Swiss, Italian
Aldo Gordini - French, British
Fred Wacker- US

Manzon and Sanesi will remain driving for Gordini

Anglo Racing Engineering entry would thus change to this, with Argentine José Froilán González sharing the drive in the leader chassis

José Froilán González - Dutch, Belgian, German, Swiss, Italian
Peter Collins - French, British, US

I hope that this is alrght.
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peteroli34 wrote:When i offered to take temporary control of Gordini i stated that i would like to take enter the third chassis into selected events.
So i would like to do that if possible.

As a result Peter Collins will move over from Anglo Racing Engineering to drive the third car which he will share with Aldo Gordini and American Fred Wacker

The breakdown would be as followed

Peter Collins - Dutch, Belgian, German, Swiss, Italian
Aldo Gordini - French, British
Fred Wacker- US

Manzon and Sanesi will remain driving for Gordini

Anglo Racing Engineering entry would thus change to this, with Argentine José Froilán González sharing the drive in the leader chassis

José Froilán González - Dutch, Belgian, German, Swiss, Italian
Peter Collins - French, British, US

I hope that this is alrght.

I see no problem with the first part, seeing as Gordini still drives a few times. The problem starts in the second part, as Gonzalez is driving for Jaguar-Aston Martin Racing, so wouldn't be available for ARE.
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tommykl wrote:
I see no problem with the first part, seeing as Gordini still drives a few times. The problem starts in the second part, as Gonzalez is driving for Jaguar-Aston Martin Racing, so wouldn't be available for ARE.


I didnt want to change the drivers that adriansutil chose so i kept Gordini in the car for the Grand Prix that were chosen plus Gordini is also racing for Balkan Eagle

I should of payed more attention to the entry list so ARE will do this choice instead

Peter Collins - French, British, USGP
Fred Wacker- Dutch, Belgian Swiss
Hermann Lang - German
Luigi Musso - Italian

The last 2 names dont come up anywhere when i did a browser search on the entry list so hopefully they are avaliable
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June 5th 1953, Dutch Grand Prix pre-qualifying

Ferrari started the season strongly in Monaco, by getting all three factory cars in the top six in qualifying and winning the race with Reg Parnell, who scored his third career victory. JAMR is at the front from the start of the season and looks ever likely to take their maiden victory. This time, 41 drivers make their way to Zandvoort for the second race of the season.

1. Eric Brandon (Mercedes-Benz Team Europe) - Mercedes WM-1 chassis 4, Mercedes UM153 engine 13
2. Johnny Claes (Leader) - Leader LF153 chassis 1, Mercedes UM153 engine 6
3. Fred Wacker (Anglo Racing Engineering) - Leader LF153 chassis 2, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 5
4. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA) - Alfa Romeo AR160 chassis 1, Alfa Romeo ARV8 engine 1
5. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA) - Alfa Romeo AR160 chassis 2, Alfa Romeo ARV8 engine 2
6. Peter Whitehead (Alfa Romeo SpA) - Alfa Romeo AR160 chassis 3, Alfa Romeo ARV8 engine 3
7. Reg Parnell (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 555 chassis 1, Ferrari 555 engine 1
8. Dorino Serafini (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 555 chassis 2, Ferrari 555 engine 2
9. Juan Manuel Fangio (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 555 chassis 3, Ferrari 555 engine 3
10. Aldo Gordini (Balkan Eagle) - Alfa Romeo AR160 chassis 4, Maserati 200F engine 9
11. Rudi Fischer (Balkan Eagle) - Alfa Romeo AR160 chassis 5, Maserati 200F engine 8
12. Lance Macklin (Balkan Eagle) - Alfa Romeo AR160 chassis 6, Maserati 200F engine 7
14. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team-Gordini) - Gordini G-953 chassis 1, Gordini ART-004 engine 1
15. Consalvo Sanesi (Alexander Racing Team-Gordini) - Gordini G-953 chassis 2, Gordini ART-004 engine 2
16. Paul Frère (Officine Alfieri Maserati) - Maserati AM53 chassis 1, Maserati 200F engine 1
17. Onofre Marimon (Officine Alfieri Maserati) - Maserati AM53 chassis 2, Maserati 200F engine 2
18. Edgar Barth (Team Ultimate) - Ultimate chassis 002a, O.S.C.A. 3000V8 engine 2
19. Manfred von Brauchitsch (British Bentley Racing Motors) - Bentley Speed 3 chassis 1, Bentley 163-1 engine 1
20. Mike Hawthorn (British Bentley Racing Motors) - Bentley Speed 3 chassis 2, Bentley 163-1 engine 2
21. Duncan Hamilton (Royal Racing Automobile Company) - Maserati AM53 chassis 7, Maserati 200F engine 10
22. Georges Berger (Ecurie Nationale Belge) - Maserati AM53 chassis 4, Maserati 200F engine 4
23. André Pilette (Ecurie Nationale Belge) - Bentley Speed 3 chassis 5, Bentley 163-1 engine 4
24. Jan Flinterman (Ecurie Nationale Belge) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 6, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 7
25. Maurice Trintignant (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 1, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 1
26. Jose Froilan Gonzalez (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 2, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 2
27. Tony Bettenhausen (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 3, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 3
28. Nello Pagani (Redman Racing Team) - Maserati AM53 chassis 5, Maserati 200F engine 5
29. Stan Jones (Redman Racing Team) - Maserati AM53 chassis 6, Maserati 200F engine 6
30. Piero Taruffi (O.S.C.A. Automobili) - O.S.C.A. 53 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 3000V8 engine 1
31. Maria Teresa de Filippis (Privateer) - Bentley Speed 3 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 3000V8 engine 4
32. David Hampshire (Hampshire Racing Alliance) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 7, Bentley 163-1 engine 6
33. Roberto Mieres (Erne Racing Development) - Maserati AM53 chassis 3, Maserati 200F engine 3
34. Giovanni Bracco (Scuderia Ambrosiana) - Ambrosiana A-002 chassis 1, Alfa Romeo ARV8 engine 4
35. Porfirio Rubirosa (Scuderia Ambrosiana) - Ambrosiana A-002 chassis 2, Alfa Romeo ARV8 engine 5
36. Gunther Bechem (Rennkollektiv EMW) - EMW 01 chassis 1, Mercedes-Benz UM153 engine 3
37. B. Bira (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 4, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 4
38. Dries van der Lof (Asso di Fiori) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 5, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 8
39. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari America) - Ferrari 555 chassis 4, Ferrari 555 engine 4
40. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari America) - Ferrari 550 chassis 2, Ferrari 550 engine 2
41. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation) - Phoenix PRO-4 chassis 1, Mercedes-Benz UM153 engine 7
42. Peter Collins (Alexander Racing Team-Gordini) - Gordini G-953 chassis 3, Gordini ART-004 engine 3

-In a last-minute announcement, Peter Collins was announced to be driving the third factory Gordini at Zandvoort and other races this season. This move is the result of ART's interim team owner also owning Anglo Racing Engineering, for whom Collins will still drive on occasion. At Zandvoort, Collins has been hastily replaced by the American Fred Wacker, fresh from his third place at the Grand Prix des Frontières. He makes his World Championship début.
-Henry Reatherson decided not to make the trip to Zandvoort, instead choosing to wait until the closer Belgian Grand Prix. Macklin still made the trip though, taking the opportunity to fulfill his agreement with Balkan Eagle to drive for them when available.
-Balkan Eagle themselves retain only Rudi Fischer for this race, as Aldo Gordini also fulfills his contract, with Maglioli and Davison only acting as backup drivers. With more experienced hands stepping in, perhaps the race is a reasonable objective.
-Following his dismal half-season in 1952, Onofre Marimon mystifyingly returns to Maserati as second driver once more, part of a rotating scheme involving himself, Landi and Marcel Balsa.
-Instead of transporting all four cars to Zandvoort, Group Ultimate benched the second 550 and Harry Schell in the process. De Graffenried is considered a valuable part of the team, and Ruttman has been given the 555 in order to attempt to repeat his success from last season.
-The third Bentley chassis remains in Monaco along with Geoff Richardson, while the second chassis is transported to the Dutch Grand Prix along with Mike Hawthorn, who will attempt to succeed where Richardson failed.
-Instead of making the costly (and often unlucky) trip to Monaco, Jacques Swaters waited until the much closer Dutch Grand Prix to start the season. Main driver André Pilette has been handed the Bentley, while one-off drivers Georges Berger and Jan Flinterman will drive the Maserati and Aston-Jaguar respectively.
-Erne Racing Development also start their season at Zandvoort, deciding against the expensive Monaco Grand Prix. Mières will hope that the Maserati will be more competitive than last season's Ferrari.
-With Scuderia Aqua not taking part this weekend, Günther Bechem was free to return to EMW, letting Fritz Riess return to being team principal.

With 24 spots on the grid, pre-qualifying is again necessary. Here are the unlucky 17 who will have to fight for 8 spots in qualifying.

Fred Wacker
Aldo Gordini
Rudi Fischer
Lance Macklin
Paul Frère
Onofre Marimon
Mike Hawthorn
Duncan Hamilton
Georges Berger
Jan Flinterman
Stan Jones
Maria Teresa de Filippis
David Hampshire
Roberto Mières
Günther Bechem
Dries van der Lof
Peter Collins

On this occasion, £82 000 are into the first pot. £28 000 will be given out as starting money, leaving £54 000, to which we add £96 000 contributed by the race organisers (plus finishing money), to make a total of £150 000. Half of this goes to the season-ending pot, so £75 000 in total will be awarded according to finishing position.
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Pre-qualifying performance, as usual.

Collins - 87
Bechem - 92
Macklin - 93
Hawthorn - 97
Berger - 97
Mières - 98
Wacker - 100
de Filippis - 100
Jones - 101
van der Lof - 102
Fischer - 103
Hamilton - 103
Gordini - 104
Frère - 105
Flinterman - 105
Marimon - 106
Hampshire - 108

Predictions anyone?
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The lower the number the better, right? If that's the case, we could well see another Mieres start :D
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takagi_for_the_win wrote:The lower the number the better, right? If that's the case, we could well see another Mieres start :D

Indeed, although I may have forgotten to update the budgets :P I'll do that when I come home from school.
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Wow, my prediction is that we will see at least one Balkan Eagle in qualification :)
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My prediction, all my contracted drivers will narrowly DNPQ. Except Pilette, who doesn't participate in the pre-qualifying.
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