Grand Prix Rejects

James1978

I was trying to work out if there have been any drivers who have competed in the same races as two generations of driver? I can think of some veterans in the 1993 season (such as Prost and Patrese) racing against both Mario and Michael Andretti, and that's about it. Michael Schumacher misses out on ...

James1978

I'd like to have seen Raikkonen paired with Hamilton (could have happened in late 2006 or even this year!), or Alonso or Michael Schumacher.

James1978

Can't believe Hakkinen wins a '92 race but Alesi doesn't! (Alesi is out by now in the other alternative championships!)

'93 is a foregone conclusion, but can't wait for '94!!

James1978

BTW, has anyone ever got unrejectified scoring less than 3 points? Don't tell me, Lella Lombardi? The races I know that were half points (1975 Spain and Austria, 1984 Monaco, 1991 Australia and 2009 Malaysia) all had top 6 drivers that were otherwise successfull, so I very much doubt it. I think Lo...

James1978

I knew all those 2nd places in Tyrrell 1-2s behind Jackie Stewart would do Cevert proud in '73!!

James1978

I don't know why but I always considered Webber more impressive at Minardi in 2002 than Alonso was in 2001. I know the Australia 5th place was lucky, but he was mixing it with Jaguars/BARs/Toyotas/Arrows and the like quite regularly. Whereas I can only recall Alonso doing it once (Japan).

James1978

Surely Renault's 09/10 replacements were Kubica replacing Alonso and Petrov replacing Grosjean? In that sense I think they've done well out of it, Kubica this year is better than Alonso last year as it was obvious he couldn;t wait to get in a Ferrari. And infuriatingly consistent though Petrov is, h...

James1978

I miss Judd. When I started following F1 in the very early 90s I knew a few tail-end teams ran Judd engines then I was REALLY surprised when I learnt Williams ran with Judds in 1988, seeing the term "Williams-Judd" in between them having works Honda and Renault deals just looked funny. I'd...

James1978

I was way out with my guess for 1972, but maybe I shouldn't have started predicting till the 80s.

James1978

1990s Minardi and ANY works deal (except Yamaha that is)

James1978

Hate to say it, but I think Mclaren have too much to do now, barring something really strange happening like RB's taking each other out like in Turkey. It is more or less the classic 3 way, 2 teammates v one outsider like 1986 and 2007, where the outsider's teammate will be helping them even if they...

James1978

Carlos Reutemann in 1981?

James1978

I've also just thought two pairs that did happen but not simultaneously but I'd like to have seen at the same time - Senna and Prost in McLaren-Hondas battling with Mansell and Piquet in comparable Williams-Hondas in the late 80s. That could have been some 4-way battle for a championship, none of th...

James1978

Isn't is odd how a 6th place for a 7-time WDC gets all the votes?

But yeah, Kobayashi and Schumacher get mine too.

James1978

Today's result in this championship with Webber winning and Rosberg failing to finish means Webber is now confirmed champion as he is 80 points ahead of Rosberg with 3 races left. Alguersuari is now 4th in the standings!! I've also been looking at doing 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 points for the years I've alr...

James1978

Absolutely gotta be Di Grassi. Crashing driving round to the grid is just pure comical!

Honourable mentions to Massa and Petrov!!

James1978

Juan Pablo Montoya at Ferrari (after leaving Mclaren)
Ralf Schumacher in the 2008 McLaren (I know he was after the drive as Hamilton's teammate after Alonso was confirmed as leaving!)

James1978

As with most alternative championsips, the early days mean very little to me, but I can't wait till you get to later years. Seeing how many championships Prost could win without Senna and Piquet could be very interesting!

James1978

Ferrim, would you be Ok if I sent you a private message with my predictions for the winners of the 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s? I want to see how many I can get right, but don't want to spoil for the people who don't want to see at least educated guesses in advance!

James1978

I think Bourdais too. I thought he was the unluckiest driver ever in 2008 the way he seemed to just have everything go against him whenever he was in a good position - stopping while 4th in Oz, losing 4 places on the last lap at Spa, his car breaking down when 4th on the grid at Monza, being stupidl...

James1978

Is Dan Gurney this world's Moss? 3 champ silvers in a row. For the alternative championship I just did (previous champs eliminated, 2010 points sytem) Nick Heidfeld has been runner-up 4 times ('01, '02, '07 and '08) without winning it. He got loads more points than his teammate Kubica in '07 too bu...

James1978

And for those of you who care (which is pretty much nobody but me ), Japan would be the Old School Knockout System's first round with following match-ups: Mark Webber vs. Sebastien Buemi Robert Kubica vs. Adrian Sutil Fernando Alonso vs. Vitantonio Liuzzi Nico Rosberg vs. Michael Schumacher Lewis H...

James1978

So for next season Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Schumacher and Kubica are out of this. 2011 should be a cake walk for Rosberg... They might get Heidfeld or Sutil to be his teammate if Schumi throws in the towel - or someone better than Petrov but not an ex-champ (ie Raikkonen) in the second Renault!...

James1978

The one that really surprised me this year was Petrov, sure he should be up there given his car, but I never expected him to be 4th in the standings! While I enjoy seeing the other alternative championships on here unfold, I might have a play around with what I've done and see if different points sy...

James1978

Think Pironi not completing the season will scupper him for '82. I'd ideally like '93 to go to someone who won't get another, Patrese was next after the 4 champions, but I'm hoping with most of his points being concentrated into a few mid-season races, it will go to the more consistent Brundle. Othe...

James1978

And just to bring things fully up to date: 2010 (after 15 of 19 races) Mark Webber 316 (10 wins, 2 2nds, 2 3rds) Nico Rosberg 261 (4 wins, 7 2nds, 1 3rd) Adrian Sutil 171 (1 win, 2 2nds, 4 3rds) Vitaly Petrov 113 (2 2nds, 1 3rd) Jaime Alguersuari 111 (1 3rd, 2 4ths) Vitantonio Liuzzi 109 (1 2nd, 1 3...

James1978

2009 Sebastian Vettel 247 (5 wins, 6 2nds) Mark Webber 243 (6 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd) Nico Rosberg 182 (3 2nds, 4 3rds) Timo Glock 157 (1 win, 2 2nds*, 1 3rd) Heikki Kovalainen 142 (1 win, 1 2nd, 3 3rds) Jarno Trulli 137.5 (1 win, 2 2nds, 2 3rds*) Nick Heidfeld 136.5 (1 win*, 4 3rds) Giancarlo Fisiche...

James1978

2008 Robert Kubica 297 (8 wins, 1 2nd, 3 3rds) Nick Heidfeld 254 (4 wins, 4 2nds) Heikki Kovalainen 215 (1 win, 5 2nds, 4 3rds) Jarno Trulli 171 (1 win, 4 3rds) Sebastian Vettel 159 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds) Mark Webber 148 (2 2nds, 1 3rd) Timo Glock 146 (3 2nds, 2 3rds) Nico Rosberg 115 (1 win, 1 2n...

James1978

It's funny in this thing, sometimes you get championships that are unbelievably close, other times you get ones like this which are the complete opposite! 2007 Lewis Hamilton 363 (13 wins, 1 2nd) Nick Heidfeld 240 (1 win, 7 2nds, 5 3rds) Robert Kubica 174 (4 2nds, 4 3rds) Heikki Kovalainen 173 (2 2n...

James1978

WOW!! This could not be any closer!!! 2006 Felipe Massa 324 ( 8 wins , 4 2nds, 2 3rds) Giancarlo Fisichella 324 ( 6 wins , 8 2nds, 2 3rds) Nick Heidfeld 184 (1 win, 2 2nds, 3 3rds) Jarno Trulli 146 (6 3rds) Vitantonio Liuzzi 104 (3 4ths, 3 5ths) Pedro De La Rosa 97 (1 win, 2 2nds, 2 3rds) Scott Spee...

James1978

I'm thinking ahead a long way again, but I reckon Martin Brundle could be a WDC under this format - he'll have an outside chance in 1992 as Benetton were such steady points-scorers (though it probably will be Patrese), but he should have a good chance in 1993. The year was dominated by Prost, Senna,...

James1978

Certainly was Spa - 5 drivers who finished infront of him were previous champions in this format.

Should have 2006 ready later tonight, mid-season it's looking very close!

James1978

2005 Fernando Alonso 384 (13 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd) Giancarlo Fisichella 221 (2 wins, 6 2nds, 3 3rds) - that's what you call a dead-beat teammate! Jarno Trulli 203 (1 win, 4 2nds, 4 3rds) Mark Webber 169 (3 2nds, 3 3rds) Felipe Massa 166 (1 win, 1 3rd, 3 4ths) Christian Klien 131 (3 3rds, 6 4ths) Tia...

James1978

I reckon Rubens will probably benefit more in 2001 than DC will from the absence of Michael and Mika - DC rarely finished behind Mika but Rubens came 2nd and 3rd a lot when his teammate won. The Williamses were too unreliable that year I think. Also we might have Stefan Johansson double-champ too (8...

James1978

2004 Jenson Button 329 (10 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd) Fernando Alonso 239 (4 wins, 4 2nds, 3 3rds) Jarno Trulli 210 (2 wins, 5 2nds, 2 3rds) - 192 for Renault, 18 for Toyota Giancarlo Fisichella 192 (3 2nds, 7 4ths) (!!!!) Takuma Sato 169 ( 1 win , 3 2nds, 4 3rds) Felipe Massa 137 (1 win, 2 3rds) Mark We...

James1978

As I said, I'm probably rushing through these now: 2003 Kimi Raikkonen 304 (10 wins, 3 2nds) Fernando Alonso 214 (4 wins, 4 2nds, 2 3rds) Jarno Trulli 166 (1 win, 3 2nds, 3 3rds) Mark Webber 137 (2 2nds, 5 3rds) Jenson Button 130 (2 2nds, 2 3rds) Cristiano da Matta 127 (1 2nd, 1 3rd) Nick Heidfeld 1...

James1978

I like it! Incidentally, by the time you've done another 50 of these (!) and got up to 2001, we'll probably know who the 2010 champ is, so you probably won't have to "re-write" any should Webber or Vettel win this year. I'm thinking Rubens should grab a fair few in his Ferrari years, and m...

James1978

I feel like a lot of people are getting a bit sick of these alternative championships by now, so I'll try and get these last few years rushed through asap! 2002 Juan Pablo Montoya 285 (9 wins, 3 2nds) Nick Heidfeld 171 (2 2nds, 3 3rds, plus lots of 4ths and 5ths! ) Jenson Button 164 (1 win, 4 2nds, ...

James1978

Another one: remove EVERY champion at the same time, before they even win one title. Don;t get me started on that - I take it you mean just remove all real-time champions from all the results, and see who wins the WDC out of who we're left with? That means Rene Arnoux would be 1983 WDC as he'd only...

James1978

That's quite funny actually (I agree there maybe should be a separate forum for ones like the one I'm currently doing so people can avoid them who don't want to read them)!!

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