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- 26 Sep 2010, 18:28
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
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Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
Two years in one go as I'd done two versions of 1999, one if Coulthard was the 1998 champ, and one if Irvine was, due to me being unsure of the Spa 98 result! This one is the official one now: 1999 Eddie Irvine 323 (10 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd) Ralf Schumacher 213 (2 wins, 6 2nds, 3 3rds) Rubens Barriche...
- 26 Sep 2010, 18:14
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
I found the rule I needed when I looked through the regulations, it's rule 45.2: "Cars having covered less than 90% of the number of laps covered by the winner ( rounded down to the nearest whole number of laps ) will not be classified". I trust the rule was the same in 1998, so DC's class...
- 26 Sep 2010, 16:31
- Forum: The Paul Stoddart Memorial Forum
- Topic: Your Reject of the Race - Singapore!
- Replies: 147
- Views: 7924
Re: Your Reject of the Race - Singapore!
I thought the Hamilton/Webber thing was 50:50 - one of them needed to have backed off and conceded position to avoid the contact, and neither did, but you're not going to win the championship by conceding the position. For me the ROTR has to be Schumacher (again) - seriously why is he bothering? He ...
- 25 Sep 2010, 16:08
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
Actually, I don't think it does come to think of it, the only thing is it would put Boutsen further behind Berger in 1988. Anyway I've done the next one. 1997 Heinz-Harald Frentzen 227 (4 wins, 4 2nds, 3 3rds) Giancarlo Fisichella 186 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 4 3rds) David Coulthard 182 (4 wins, 2 2nds) Eddi...
- 25 Sep 2010, 15:44
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
I'm not sure if maybe you've already mentioned this and I didn't read it correctly, but do all results count in this, or do you stick to the result-discounting rules in the seasons where they applied in reality? I'm doing it as all scores to count, becuase I wanted to make the points-scoring system...
- 25 Sep 2010, 09:47
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
I've done the next one now anyway: 1996 Jacques Villeneuve 295 (11 wins) Rubens Barrichello 137 (4 2nds, 3 3rds) Olivier Panis 133 (1 win, 2 2nds, 2 3rds) David Coulthard 131 (5 2nds, 1 3rd) Martin Brundle 123 (2 wins, 1 3rd) Mika Salo 104 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) Eddie Irvine 101 (1 win, 2 2nds, 2 3rd...
- 25 Sep 2010, 08:27
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
Let me get this right-Diniz finishes ahead of Katayama and Martini?!?!?!?! Martini only did half the season before being replaced by Lamy so that was a disadvantage to him (Martini and Lamy's combined total is well ahead of Badoer in the other car). Katayama only finished four races the whole year!...
- 24 Sep 2010, 19:38
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
One for tonight before I get drunk! 1995 Johnny Herbert 259 (6 wins, 3 2nds, 3 3rds) David Coulthard 218 (8 wins, 1 2nd) Heinz-Harald Frentzen 171 (5 2nds, 3 3rds) Olivier Panis 152 (1 win, 5 3rds) Mark Blundell 129 (2 2nds, 3 3rds) Eddie Irvine 108 (3 2nds, 2 4ths) Rubens Barrichello 99 (1 win, 1 2...
- 23 Sep 2010, 22:02
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
1994 You're both dead right - but it's the lowest winning total so far! Mika Hakkinen 153 (4 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd) Rubens Barrichello 138 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 2 3rds) Olivier Panis 119 (1 win, 1 3rd) Martin Brundle 105 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) Heinz-Harald Frentzen 105 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rds) David Coultha...
- 23 Sep 2010, 21:31
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
What I will add before I continue is that the knock-on effect of Piquet winning 1981 instead of Laffite under this sytem but conventional points has now completely played itself out - Piquet's 1986 championship is taken by Mansell, and Boutsen winning 1990 instead of Mansell, and by 1994 Boutsen had...
- 22 Sep 2010, 20:25
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
1993 Damon Hill 272 (10 wins, 1 2nd) Martin Brundle 164 (1 win, 4 2nds, 4 3rds) Mark Blundell 138 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds) Christian Fittipaldi 111 (2 2nds, 1 3rds) Johnny Herbert 107 (1 win, 3 2nds) JJ Lehto 87 (1 2nd, 1 3rd) Michael Andretti 81 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th) Derek Warwick 78 ...
- 22 Sep 2010, 16:55
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Pedro Rodriguez Award - Ricciardo is crowned champion!
- Replies: 201
- Views: 39758
Re: Yet another type of alternative championship.
Totally forgot about this alternative championship with the one I'm currently doing (indeed I'm now further on than you ), but this one should look a lot different to mine and Bleu's with that 1990 result. 1991 should be Patrese's, and I'm predicting Alesi will win in 1994 - that year could be anyon...
- 21 Sep 2010, 23:06
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
1992 Michael Schumacher 276 (9 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd) Martin Brundle 240 (6 wins, 5 2nds) Mika Hakkinen 136 (1 win, 2 2nds, 3 3rds) Andrea De Cesaris 101 (2 2nds, 2 3rds) Erik Comas 95 (3 3rds, 2 4ths) JJ Lehto 94 (3 4ths, 2 5ths) Aguri Suzuki 85 (1 3rd, 1 4th) Pierluigi Martini 79 (2 2nds) Ivan Cape...
- 20 Sep 2010, 20:47
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
Next one - we now have no less than EIGHT drivers still active but removed from results (Senna, Mansell, Prost, Piquet, Berger, Patrese, Boutsen and Alboreto - though the latter two were no longer in competitive cars by 1991, with top 10 scoring it still affects lower points-paying positions). 1991 ...
- 20 Sep 2010, 17:09
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
Just realised I did a couple of typos on 1989 results - Grouillard got 41 points which I'd missed off his total, and Capelli's 6 points were actually 1 8th and 1 9th - not that it helps him! Done the next one too: 1990 Thierry Boutsen 205 (4 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd) Alessandro Nannini 185 (6 wins, 1 2nd...
- 19 Sep 2010, 22:05
- Forum: The Paul Stoddart Memorial Forum
- Topic: Your Reject of the Year!
- Replies: 226
- Views: 17283
Re: Your Reject of the Year!
Personally I preferred it when the reject podium was all drivers, so unless things change significantly in the last 5 races, I'll say:
Bronze: Di Grassi (who?)
Silver: Liuzzi
Gold: Schumacher
Bronze: Di Grassi (who?)
Silver: Liuzzi
Gold: Schumacher
- 19 Sep 2010, 20:55
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
One more for today! 1989 Riccardo Patrese 187 (4 wins, 4 2nds, 1 3rd) Thierry Boutsen 174 (5 wins, 1 3rd) Alessandro Nannini 169 (3 wins, 4 2nds) Derek Warwick 99 (1 2nd, 3 3rds) Eddie Cheever 84 (2 2nds) Jean Alesi 74 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) Martin Brundle 69 (1 3rd, 2 4ths) Pierluigi Martini 67 (1 2...
- 19 Sep 2010, 15:21
- Forum: The Black Stig Memorial Forum
- Topic: F1 Rejects World Championship - Lando wins for the moment
- Replies: 98
- Views: 48339
Re: The F1 World Championship...for Rejects
I can't wait till you get to the 80s for this. I'm just reading this at the moment and thinking "Who?"!! (Kind of a reason why I started my alternative championship in the 70s and only started posting the results from 1981 as it produced a different champion than the other similar Alternat...
- 19 Sep 2010, 15:18
- Forum: The Jean-Denis Deletraz Memorial Forum
- Topic: F1 Rejects - The Definitive Collection
- Replies: 74
- Views: 30764
Re: F1 Rejects - The Definitive Collection
I couldn't stop laughing at the fact that the Wikipedia page for HWNSNBM mentions this site!
- 19 Sep 2010, 15:08
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
1988 This one is what you call close!!! Gerhard Berger 227 (6 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd) Thierry Boutsen 226 (5 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd) Derek Warwick 149 (4 2nds, 3 3rds) Ivan Capelli 127 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd) Alessandro Nannini 114 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds) Riccardo Patrese 98 (1 win, 1 2nd) Eddie Cheever ...
- 19 Sep 2010, 13:48
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: F1 Finals 2010: The Wilcard Playoffs @ Singapore
- Replies: 21
- Views: 3774
Re: F1 Finals 2010: The Wilcard Playoffs @ Singapore
I REALLY want Kobayashi to knock out Vettel. I'd like to see Massa beat Rubens so it's Ferrari v Ferrari QF.
Rosberg and Kubica for the other two.
Rosberg and Kubica for the other two.
- 19 Sep 2010, 12:28
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
Just goes to show how important finishing is in this thing - Fabre actually managed 6 points finishes, De Cesaris only one in Belgium!
Also lots of drivers in fast but fairly unreliable cars quite far down, such as Patrese and Warwick!
Also lots of drivers in fast but fairly unreliable cars quite far down, such as Patrese and Warwick!
- 19 Sep 2010, 10:13
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
1987 Ayrton Senna 254 (7 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd) Stefan Johansson 194 (4 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds) Gerhard Berger 147 (3 wins, 4 2nds) Teo Fabi 106 (1 win, 2 2nds, 1 3rd) Thierry Boutsen 106 (3 2nds, 2 3rds) Jonathan Palmer 106 (2 3rds) Satoru Nakajima 89 (1 2nd, 3 4ths) Eddie Cheever 84 (2 3rds) Philippe ...
- 18 Sep 2010, 15:31
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
1986 Nigel Mansell 252 (6 wins, 4 2nds, 2 3rds) Ayrton Senna 222 (6 wins, 4 2nds) Stefan Johansson 144 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 3 3rds) Rene Arnoux 126 (2 2nds, 4 3rds) Gerhard Berger 111 (2 wins, 1 3rd) Martin Brundle 91 (1 2nd, 1 3rd) Jacques Laffite 87 (2 2nds, 1 3rd) Philippe Streiff 69 (1 3rd, 14th) T...
- 16 Sep 2010, 16:50
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
1985 Michele Alboreto 197 (5 wins, 4 2nds) Stefan Johansson 162 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds) - includes 10pts when he drove for Tyrrell in Brazil before moving to Ferrari! Ayrton Senna 157 (5 wins, 1 2nd) Nigel Mansell 151 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 3 3rds) Thierry Boutsen 129 (1 win, 2 3rds) Jacques Laffite 101 (...
- 15 Sep 2010, 21:57
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
One more for tonight, it's 1984 Elio De Angelis 200.5 (3 wins, 3 2nds, 3 3rds*) (what a totally cool points total!) Rene Arnoux 169 (2 wins, 3 2nds*, 2 3rds) Michele Alboreto 138 (4 wins, 1 2nd) Derek Warwick 112 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) Patrick Tambay 95 (1 win, 2 3rds) Ayrton Senna 89.5 (2 wins*, 1 ...
- 15 Sep 2010, 19:45
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
Also forgot to add - not only unrejectification but a PODIUM in Monaco for Danny Sullivan!
- 15 Sep 2010, 19:29
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
Next one! 1983 Alain Prost 213 (6 wins, 1 2nd) Rene Arnoux 183 (4 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd) Patrick Tambay 160 (1 win, 5 2nds, 3 3rds) John Watson 104 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) - not bad for a non-turbo that year! Eddie Cheever 98 (3 2nds, 2 3rds) Jacques Laffite 97 (1 win, 2 3rds) Derek Warwick 69 (1 3rd, 2...
- 15 Sep 2010, 16:46
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship
To continue: 1982 Note: Lauda makes his comeback but he too is ineligible as he was champion in 1975. Keke Rosberg 172 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 2 3rds) John Watson 151 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd) Didier Pironi 135 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds) Michele Alboreto 133 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) Alain Prost 120 (2 wins, 2 2nds...
- 14 Sep 2010, 23:23
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Another slightly different Alternative championship
- Replies: 54
- Views: 11762
Another slightly different Alternative championship
OK, based on the ones Bleu has already completed, and tommykl is currently doing a similar based on Bernie's medals system, this is the same principle as all previous champions are eliminated from the results, only this time every year uses the 2010 points-scoring system of 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 ...
- 14 Sep 2010, 23:04
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: My own version of an alternative championship...
- Replies: 34
- Views: 4725
Re: My own version of an alternative championship...
How about posting what the standings would be for this year so far, or would that be too predictable (a Red Bull walkover?)
By rejects eligible only, do you mean everyone is eligible until they unrejectify themselves, or qualified rejects only?
By rejects eligible only, do you mean everyone is eligible until they unrejectify themselves, or qualified rejects only?
- 13 Sep 2010, 20:49
- Forum: The Black Stig Memorial Forum
- Topic: Champion elimination alternative championship
- Replies: 485
- Views: 320064
Re: Another kind of alternative championship
Sorry to be resurrecting an old thread - but both this format of alternative chamionship (and the one based on most wins in a season which tommykl is currently doing) have really fascinated me. I have been playing around looking at doing a similar thing where all previous champs are ineligible, but ...
- 13 Sep 2010, 11:45
- Forum: The Paul Stoddart Memorial Forum
- Topic: Heidfeld about to return?
- Replies: 65
- Views: 4417
Re: Heidfeld about to return?
To be honest I'm surprised Sauber didn;t keep him on at the start of the year, instead of PDLR, I can think he was picked as a foil for Kobayashi but Heidfeld had immediate reacing experience and surely his stenghts are in similar areas?
- 12 Sep 2010, 20:12
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: F1 Finals 2010*
- Replies: 47
- Views: 6569
Re: F1 Finals 2010*
Interesting that the two Ferrari drivers could be facing each other in the quarters, and Hamilton will be against one of his two best mates in the sport.
- 12 Sep 2010, 13:46
- Forum: The Paul Stoddart Memorial Forum
- Topic: Your Reject of the Race - Italy!
- Replies: 94
- Views: 6055
Re: Your Reject of the Race - Italy!
I have to say Hamilton (sadly) and Bridgestone too.
But the good news is the first makes the championship more interesting, and the second is Bridgestone are leaving the sport at the end of the year!
But the good news is the first makes the championship more interesting, and the second is Bridgestone are leaving the sport at the end of the year!
- 11 Sep 2010, 09:04
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: Pedro Rodriguez Award - Ricciardo is crowned champion!
- Replies: 201
- Views: 39758
Re: Yet another type of alternative championship.
Boutsen, what the...... Actually I'm pleased becuase I always felt a bit sorry for him when he got shunted out of Williams to make way for Mansell just as they were about to be the fastest team, and had to go to Ligier when they were more or less a reject team! If Patrese doesn't win 1990 (Nannini m...
- 10 Sep 2010, 19:18
- Forum: The Eric van de Poele Memorial Forum
- Topic: Teams assigning numbers to drivers
- Replies: 25
- Views: 3884
Re: Teams assigning numbers to drivers
I thought Benetton getting Ferrari's discarded 27 and 28 in 1996 would have been really cool, Alesi and Berger both move teams together and in the process keep the same numbers they had before!
- 09 Sep 2010, 16:51
- Forum: The "Flat Out, Flat Broke" Memorial Forum
- Topic: My own version of an alternative championship...
- Replies: 34
- Views: 4725
Re: My own version of an alternative championship...
There wasn't really much to comment on last time I'm sorry to say!
Surprises here: Schumacher beating Villeneuve in 1996 considering their respective machinery! Schumacher beating Irvine in 1999 despite missing a lot of races.
What race did Magnussen qualify 6th for in 1997?
Surprises here: Schumacher beating Villeneuve in 1996 considering their respective machinery! Schumacher beating Irvine in 1999 despite missing a lot of races.
What race did Magnussen qualify 6th for in 1997?
- 09 Sep 2010, 11:44
- Forum: The Paul Stoddart Memorial Forum
- Topic: Team Orders-gate: no punishment
- Replies: 112
- Views: 5177
Re: Team Orders-gate: no punishment
To be honest, I thought it was a total no-brainer for Ferrari to get Alonso in front of Massa at Hockenheim by whatever means they could, if you ask me it was nothing like Austria 2002 (championship situation and race situation as Vettel wasn't far behind them). I agree the the rule is totally unwor...
- 09 Sep 2010, 11:37
- Forum: The Eric van de Poele Memorial Forum
- Topic: Teams assigning numbers to drivers
- Replies: 25
- Views: 3884
Re: Teams assigning numbers to drivers
I did read an article a couple of years ago (late 2008 I think) that Alonso (2005), Raikkonen and Hamilton would all have been driving the iconic #27 when they won the world championships if they hadn't brought in the new system based on previous year's championship, in 1996. Benetton/Renault would ...