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This wrote:
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This wrote:Delage will repair chassis 3
Our full-attack tout suprème Français line up is:

Delage 2LCV chassis 1 + Delage 2LCV engine 1 - Jean Chassagne
Delage 2LCV chassis 2 + Delage 2LCV engine 2 - Albert Guyot
Delage 2LCV chassis 3 + Delage 2LCV engine 3 - André Boillot
French Breakfast stand in the paddock - Georges Mignolet

And with that, we're almost out of money, so if anyone is interested in buying one of our cars/engines/chassis for a realistic prize (minimum the building cost) after the French GP, pm!

Sorry, but you currently don't have enough money to repair your third chassis. So only Chassagne's and Guyot's entries will be accepted for now.


Uhm, i have done the math, and i have 3000 + 7250 prize money, and i need 5000 to repair and 4500 to enter 3 cars? What information is missing that i didn't count it? And if the budget of 3000 is already updated with the prize money, how in the hell did that happen? If i remember correctly, i used to have enough budget to remain above 0 prize money not included. Sorry but i'm clearly missing something again. Getting a déja vu here...


250 000 initial money
-75 000 designing tier 1 chassis
-45 000 designing tier 1 engine
-120 000 building 3 chassis and 3 engines
-6 000 Targa Florio entry fee
+4 500 Targa Florio prize money
-3 750 Targa Florio repairs
-9 000 Spa entry fee
+7 250 Spa prize money
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+3 000

So everything correct with that.
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pi314159 wrote:So everything correct with that.

Yup, seems to be correct. I must have calculated at a point where the budget wasn't updated yet, i guess. Thanks for the clarification :)

I'll leave Guyot out for this race, to give Boillot his contractually obligated race start and not repair Chassis 3 yet. He'll drive Chassis+Engine 2.
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Pierre is not happy with the Spanish-Swiss engine breaking down, but he'll repair it and enter the French GP.

He will also drive more conservatively this time in order to preserve the recently overhauled engine.
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Rabbi Gordon wrote:Pierre is not happy with the Spanish-Swiss engine breaking down, but he'll repair it and enter the French GP.

He will also drive more conservatively this time in order to preserve the recently overhauled engine.

Just to clarify, are you setting his race strategy to conservative or to very conservative?
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Rabbi Gordon wrote:Pierre is not happy with the Spanish-Swiss engine breaking down, but he'll repair it and enter the French GP.

He will also drive more conservatively this time in order to preserve the recently overhauled engine.

Just to clarify, are you setting his race strategy to conservative or to very conservative?


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Bentley will enter the French GP with the same lineup as before. In hopes of our improving our performance, we'll adopt a very aggressive strategy.
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Bugatti will be going Aggressive in an attempt to secure a home victory.
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Rabbi Gordon wrote:
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Rabbi Gordon wrote:Pierre is not happy with the Spanish-Swiss engine breaking down, but he'll repair it and enter the French GP.

He will also drive more conservatively this time in order to preserve the recently overhauled engine.

Just to clarify, are you setting his race strategy to conservative or to very conservative?


Very conservative if there is no chance of a DNQ. Conservative if there is.

At the moment, there are no DNQs in this series, but if entry lists continue to grow, I might introduce them for 1924 to keep things realistic on smaller circuits.
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Delage will be very agressive for both drivers. So that we could at least have a decent grid position in front of our home crowd.
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Voisin will go conservative.
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FIAT will go for a balanced strategy... What are looking at me like that for? :P
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Sunbeam will also go balanced for the French Grand Prix.
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1923 French Grand Prix

After the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa-Francorchamps, the Grand Prix competitors go on to Tours. The circuit is a 22.8 km track located on the north-western outskirts of the city. The circuit is effectively a triangle consisting of three long straights and very few corners, making engine power very important.

-Alfa Romeo and Bugatti are expected to take advantage from the characteristics of the circuit. Especially the French team is hoping for a home victory. Both teams are running their usual three drivers.

-Current championship leaders Sunbeam are always a force to be reckoned with, having a car that works well on circuits with any characteristic.

-Don't count out FIAT yet. Similar to Sunbeam, they have a car that works everywhere. They are present with their usual three-car lineup.

-Their fellow British team Bentley are hoping for a good result with their powerful but rather ill-handling car.

-Let's have a look at the remaining French teams: Delage only bring two cars, after their third car got damaged at Spa-Francorchamps and could not be repaired in time. Rolland-Pilain have put their Spanish reserve driver Frida Noguera in the car for this race, leaving a disappointed André Lagache out of his home race. Voisin will be happy to finish in their underpowered car unable to challenge for a good result here.

-Impéria, Benz and AC Cars are present with their usual lineups.

-Privateers Pierre de Vizcaya and Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo will be back, as is Guido Meregalli, driving for Giulio Masetti's team.

-Hispano-Suiza are not going to Tours, skipping the French Grand Prix after disappointing results in the opening races.

Entry List:

1. Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo | Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo | FIAT 805/4 | FIAT 405/4
2. Robert Benoist | Avions Voisin | Voisin V01/1 | Voisin 1/1
3. Felice Nazzaro | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/1 | FIAT 405/1
4. René Thomas | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/2 | FIAT 405/2
5. Giuseppe Campari | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/3 | FIAT 405/3
6. Jules Goux | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/1 | Bugatti M8-23/1
7. Louis-Antoine Voeckler | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/2 | Bugatti M8-23/2
8. Jimmy Murphy | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/3 | Bugatti M8-23/3
9. Frida Noguera | Rolland-Pilain | Rolland-Pilain RP001/1 | Rolland-Pilain RP1/1
10. Pietro Bordino | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/3 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/3
11. Antonio Ascari | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/2 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/2
12. Enzo Ferrari | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/1 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/1
13. Christian Lautenschlager | Benz & Cie. | Benz RH-01/1 | Benz KFB-1/1
14. Guido Meregalli | Masetti Corse | Alfa Romeo P1/4 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/4
15. Henry Segrave | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/1 | Sunbeam 23/1
16. Kenelm Lee Guinness | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/2 | Sunbeam 23/2
17. Albert Divo | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/3 | Sunbeam 23/3
18. Arthur Duray | Impéria | Impéria 8/12HP/1 | Impéria 8/12HP/1
19. Sammy Davis | AC Cars | AC Cars AC23/1 | AC Cars AC-3LI6/1
20. Clive Gallop | AC Cars | AC Cars AC23/2 | AC Cars AC-3LI6/2
21. Jean Chassagne | Automobiles Delage | Delage 2LCV/1 | Delage 2LCV/1
22. André Boillot | Automobiles Delage | Delage 2LCV/2 | Delage 2LCV/2
23. Pierre de Vizcaya | Pierre de Vizcaya | Rolland-Pilain RP001/2 | Hispano-Suiza HS23E/3
24. Dario Resta | Bentley Motors Ltd. | Bentley WO23/1 | Bentley Gallop 304/1
25. Samuel Nurmester | Bentley Motors Ltd. | Bentley WO23/2 | Bentley Gallop 304/2
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1923 French Grand Prix - Practice:

1. Dario Resta (Bentley) 9:26.3
2. Antonio Ascari (Alfa Romeo) +0.5
3. Samuel Nurmester (Bentley) +0.6
4. Louis-Antoine Voeckler (Bugatti) +3.8
5. Jimmy Murphy (Bugatti) +3.8
6. Jules Goux (Bugatti) +7.3
7. Henry Segrave (Sunbeam) +11.2
8. Albert Divo (Sunbeam) +16.5
9. Felice Nazzaro (FIAT) +17.4
10. Guido Meregalli (Alfa Romeo) +19.1
11. Jean Chassagne (Delage) +19.2
12. André Boillot (Delage) +19.2
13. Pietro Bordino (Alfa Romeo) +20.3
14. Kenelm Lee Guinness (Sunbeam) +20.8
15. Giuseppe Campari (FIAT) +21.6
16. Christian Lautenschlager (Benz) +23.0
17. Rene Thomas (FIAT) +23.7
18. Enzo Ferrari (Alfa Romeo) +24.9
19. Sammy Davis (AC Cars) +25.2
20. Arthur Duray (Impéria) +28.2
21. Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo (FIAT) +29.4
22. Pierre de Vizcaya (Rolland-Pilain-Hispano-Suiza) +35.9
23. Frida Noguera (Rolland-Pilain) +37.8
24. Clive Gallop (AC Cars) +43.0
25. Robert Benoist (Voisin) +46.8
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[size=150]1923 French Grand Prix - Race Result:[/size]

1. Antonio Ascari (Alfa Romeo) 35 Laps (799 km)
2. Jimmy Murphy (Bugatti) +2:34.9
3. Samuel Nurmester (Bentley) +2:53.7
4. Dario Resta (Bentley) +4:31.4
5. René Thomas (FIAT) +1 Lap
6. Henry Segrave (Sunbeam) +1 Lap
7. Albert Divo (Sunbeam) +1 Lap
8. Giuseppe Campari (FIAT) +1 Lap
9. Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo (FIAT) +1 Lap
10. Arthur Duray (Impéria) +1 Lap
11. Frida Noguera (Rolland-Pilain) +2 Laps
12. Clive Gallop (AC Cars) +2 Laps
13. Pierre de Vizcaya (Rolland-Pilain) +2 Laps
Ret. Jules Goux (Bugatti) +10 Laps / Engine
Ret. Kenelm Lee Guinness (Sunbeam) +10 Laps / Radiator
Ret. Sammy Davis (AC Cars) +12 Laps / Engine
Ret. Robert Benoist (Voisin) +16 Laps / Engine
Ret. André Boillot (Delage) +19 Laps / Engine
Ret. Louis-Antonie Voeckler (Bugatti) +20 Laps / Accident
Ret. Enzo Ferrari (Alfa Romeo) +21 Laps / Radiator
Ret. Guido Meregalli (Alfa Romeo) +22 Laps / Engine
Ret. Pietro Bordino (Alfa Romeo) +27 Laps / Fuel Tank
Ret. Christian Lautenschlager (Benz) +29 Laps / Engine
Ret. Felice Nazzarro (FIAT) +32 Laps / Accident
Ret. Jean Chassagne (Delage) +34 Laps / Engine

Fastest Lap: Antonio Ascari (Alfa Romeo) - 9:27.9

Injuries: Felice Nazzarro suffered a minor foot injury in his accident, from which he will have recovered by the time of the next race.
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In light of recent chatroom developments...

Freiherr Wankshafticus Graf Ersatz Ersatz Lothar von Westphalia Kartoffelsalat mit Iodine Hannibal Drippingsniffle-Mephistopheles is interested in purchasing a Benz package for use in the remaining races.

...yes, I'm serious.
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Simtek wrote:In light of recent chatroom developments...

Freiherr Wankshafticus Graf Ersatz Ersatz Lothar von Westphalia Kartoffelsalat mit Iodine Hannibal Drippingsniffle-Mephistopheles is interested in purchasing a Benz package for use in the remaining races.

...yes, I'm serious.


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V8fan12 wrote:
Simtek wrote:In light of recent chatroom developments...

Freiherr Wankshafticus Graf Ersatz Ersatz Lothar von Westphalia Kartoffelsalat mit Iodine Hannibal Drippingsniffle-Mephistopheles is interested in purchasing a Benz package for use in the remaining races.

...yes, I'm serious.


Benz & Cie. are pleased to offer Herr Drippingsniffle-Mephistopheles a complete Benz package for the sum of 44,000

And so it begins :D
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Simtek wrote:
V8fan12 wrote:
Simtek wrote:In light of recent chatroom developments...

Freiherr Wankshafticus Graf Ersatz Ersatz Lothar von Westphalia Kartoffelsalat mit Iodine Hannibal Drippingsniffle-Mephistopheles is interested in purchasing a Benz package for use in the remaining races.

...yes, I'm serious.


Benz & Cie. are pleased to offer Herr Drippingsniffle-Mephistopheles a complete Benz package for the sum of 44,000

And so it begins :D

I'm sorry, I can't accept the name. Canon rules are that names have to be somewhat realistic, and despite aristocrats' weird naming customs, Wankshafticus is definitely not allowed.
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pi314159 wrote:
Simtek wrote:And so it begins :D

I'm sorry, I can't accept the name. Canon rules are that names have to be somewhat realistic, and despite aristocrats' weird naming customs, Wankshafticus is definitely not allowed.

And so it ends :cry:
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As a early advice, starting from now on, Rolland-Pillain will run under very conservative strategy.
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Well, our budget is gone, so our material is up for rent for the rest of the season.

We assure you that our cars have the most comfortable leather seatings!
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Rolland-Pillain will remember everyone that their package are still open for anyone, with the following prize:

Car: 22 000 F
Engine: 15 000 F
Car + Engine: 36 500 F

Please buy now!

Also, anyone looking for the 1923 French GP Starting Grid, it is right... here.

Rolland-Pillain will attempt on hiring Ferdinando Minoia for future races.
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Is this series still alive?
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I've decided to revive this championship. Here's the long overdue post-race report from France:

Prize money:

Antonio Ascari - 25,000
Jimmy Murphy - 18,000
Samuel Nurmester - 15,000
Dario Resta - 12,000
René Thomas - 10,500
Henry Segrave - 9,000
Albert Divo - 7,500
Giuseppe Campari - 6,250
Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo - 5,000
Arthur Duray - 4,500
Frida Noguera - 4,000
Clive Gallop - 3,500
Pierre de Vizcaya - 3,000
Jules Goux - 2,500
Kenelm Lee Guinness - 2,000
Sammy Davis - 1,500
Robert Benoist - 1,000
André Boillot - 750
Louis-Antoine Voeckler - 500
Enzo Ferrari - 250
All others - 0

Since the last race is so long ago that I can't remember the tiers of the crashes and engine failures, I gave everyone the benefit of doubt and classified them a tier 1 failures.

Chassis Damage:
FIAT 805/1 - 2,500
Bugatti Type 23/2 - 2,500

Engine Damage:
Delage 2LCV/1 - 1,500
Delage 2LCV/2 - 1,500
Benz KFB-1/1 - 1,500
Voisin 1/1 - 600
AC Cars AC-3LI6/1 - 1,200
Bugatti M8-23/1 - 1,500

Budgets will be updated today. Entries for the British Grand Prix are open until September 8, 2016 (yes, given the speed this series has been run so far, I think it's necessary to specify the year).
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Rolland-Pillain entries:

Frida Noguera - RP001/1, RP1/1

Switching to very conservative strategy.
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Hispano-Suiza will return to the grid for the British GP with the following:

Manso de Zuniga | Hispano-Suiza | Hispano-Suiza H23/1 | Hispano-Suiza HS23E/1
Ferdinand de Vizcaya | Hispano-Suiza | Hispano-Suiza H23/2 | Hispano-Suiza HS23E/2

Both drivers will be asked to be aggressive.
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Bentley will enter Samuel Nurmester and Dario Resta, using the same cars as before.
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Fiat will continue with the same entries as before, and the necessary arrangements will be made vis-à-vis repairs.

Also, as I feel I have nothing to lose, a very aggressive strategy will be adopted.
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As agreed, i will be taking over Bugatti, leaving gonzalez to take over Rolland-Pillain.

Entries will remain the same as the French GP, and the strategy will be agressive.

Of course, we will repair chassis and engines damaged in time for Brooklands.
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Pietro Bordino - Alfa Romeo P1 chassis 1 & 6C 23 engine 1 - Aggressive
Antonio Ascari - Alfa Romeo P1 chassis 2 & 6C 23 engine 2 - Neutral
Enzo Ferrari - Alfa Romeo P1 chassis 3 & 6C 23 engine 3 - Very Aggressive

As far as I remember, approach can be set on a per car basis, but if not, just set the team approach to aggressive.
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Biscione wrote:Pietro Bordino - Alfa Romeo P1 chassis 1 & 6C 23 engine 1 - Aggressive
Antonio Ascari - Alfa Romeo P1 chassis 2 & 6C 23 engine 2 - Neutral
Enzo Ferrari - Alfa Romeo P1 chassis 3 & 6C 23 engine 3 - Very Aggressive

As far as I remember, approach can be set on a per car basis, but if not, just set the team approach to aggressive.

It can be set for each car individually.
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Benz will repair our chassis

Entry for British GP:
Christian Lautenschlager - Benz RH-01 Chassis 1/Benz KFB1 Engine 1

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Look like i got just enough budget to enter one car in one race! Jean Chassagne will enter with Delage 2LCV chassis 1 and Delage 2LCV engine 1, race strategy will be conservative.

Both other cars are available for privateers!
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Masetti Corse will enter the British GP with the following entry:

Guido Meregalli: Alfa Romeo P1/4 - Alfa Romeo 6C 23/4
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Re: 1923 Grand Prix Championship - Belgian Grand Prix Up

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Arthur Duray and Imperia will be entering the same car as always, with a more conservative strategy this time around.
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Re: 1923 Grand Prix Championship - Belgian Grand Prix Up

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Rolland-Pilain is back, and will return with the same entries as before:

Frida Noguera: Rolland-Pilain RP001 chassis 1 / Rolland-Pilain RP1 Engine 1

Strategy will be very Aggressive.
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Re: 1923 Grand Prix Championship - Belgian Grand Prix Up

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AC will repair all damage and enter the next GP

Sammy Davis | AC Cars | AC Cars AC23/1 | AC Cars AC-3LI6/1
Clive Gallop | AC Cars | AC Cars AC23/2 | AC Cars AC-3LI6/2

Strategy will be Balanced
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Re: 1923 Grand Prix Championship - Belgian Grand Prix Up

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I'll enter as Miller, with driver Louis Zborowski.

We will build a tier 2 Miller 122 chassis, along with a tier 2 Miller M-023 engine.

Strategy: Balanced.
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Re: 1923 Grand Prix Championship - Belgian Grand Prix Up

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Vauxhall will enter the British GP with Ernest Eldridge.

T4 Chassis (Vauxhall C20)
T2 Engine (Vauxhall 25)

Aggressive strategy
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