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Sunbeam will enter Spa with the same lineup. The only difference will be that Kenelm Lee Guiness's car will have engine 4 in it instead of engine 2 (unless it doesn't cost anything to repair engines or cars, in which case use the second engine.)
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AC will make any necessary repairs before shipping the cars to Belgium where they will be driven as they were in the the Targa Florio
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Masetti Corse will enter Belgium with Guido Meregalli as our driver
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Chassagne and Guyot are back for more in Belgium with the same car-engine combinations. Mignolet will do a one-off in car 3 and engine 3.
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After a fairly successful first race, Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo has decided to attempt the Belgian Grand Prix too.
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Post-race report:

Prize money:
Antonio Ascari - 25 000
Henry Segrave - 18 000
Christian Lautenschlager - 15 000
Giuseppe Campari - 12 000
Louis-Antoine Voeckler - 10 500
Albert Divo - 9 000
Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo - 7 500
Giulio Masetti - 6 250
Pietro Bordino - 5 000
Samuel Nurmester - 4 500
Dario Resta - 4 000
Manso de Zuniga - 3 500
Ferdinand de Vizcaya - 3 000
Albert Guyot - 2 500
Jean Chassagne - 2 000
Sammy Davis - 1 500
Jules Goux - 1 000
Kenelm Lee Guinness - 750
Jimmy Murphy - 500
René Thomas - 250

Repair Costs:

Chassis:
FIAT 805/1 - 1 250
FIAT 805/2 - 1 250
AC Cars AC23/2 - 1 000
Bugatti 32/1 - 2 500
Engines:
Impéria 8/12HP/1 - 1 500
Sunbeam 23/2 - 1 500
AC Cars AC-3LI6/1 - 3 000
Delage 2LCV/1 - 3 750
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Bugatti will repair the 32/1.
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Miguel98 wrote:Voisin will enter the Belgium and France GP's.

Entries are race by race, so you can't enter the French Grand Prix yet, unless you're planning to be away from the forum for a longer period of time. But your entry for the Belgian GP has been registered.

Ah, okay. :P

Then only register me in Belgium then.
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Entry deadline for the Belgian Grand Prix is 22nd August, 6 PM CEST
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This wrote:Chassagne and Guyot are back for more in Belgium with the same car-engine combinations. Mignolet will do a one-off in car 3 and engine 3.

And of course, we will repair the broken engine.
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Fiat will repair both broken chassis.
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We might as well repair the second engine.

And confirming the entries (I've decided to change it up slightly:)
Henry Segrave - chassis 1, engine 4 (because I can)
Kenelm Lee Guiness - chassis 1, engine 2
Albert Divo - chassis 1, engine 3
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simonracer wrote:We might as well repair the second engine.

And confirming the entries (I've decided to change it up slightly:)
Henry Segrave - chassis 1, engine 4 (because I can)
Kenelm Lee Guiness - chassis 1, engine 2
Albert Divo - chassis 1, engine 3

One chassis with three drivers and three engines? Interesting construction. :P
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Impéria will repair Duray's engine.
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We'll enter both drivers again for Spa-Francorchamps in the same cars.
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pi314159 wrote:
simonracer wrote:We might as well repair the second engine.

And confirming the entries (I've decided to change it up slightly:)
Henry Segrave - chassis 1, engine 4 (because I can)
Kenelm Lee Guiness - chassis 1, engine 2
Albert Divo - chassis 1, engine 3

One chassis with three drivers and three engines? Interesting construction. :P

:pantano: :facepalm: :lol:

That was an epic fail, I really don't know what I was thinking (or not thinking) there.

Fixed once again:
Henry Segrave - chassis 1, engine 4
Kenelm Lee Guiness - chassis 2, engine 2
Albert Divo - chassis 3, engine 3
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Pierre de Vizcaya is still looking for a chassis and would really like to have a French one.

Therefore he approaches Rolland-Pilain with an offer of 22 000 fine francs.
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Rabbi Gordon wrote:Pierre de Vizcaya is still looking for a chassis and would really like to have a French one.

Therefore he approaches Rolland-Pilain with an offer of 22 000 fine francs.


Rolland-Pillain accepts the offer and therefore, we built a RP001 to be send to Pierre de Vizcaya.
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With the offer accepted, Pierre de Vizcaya will enter the Spa race.

Naturally, the car will be the Rolland-Pilain RP001 chassis 2 powered by the Hispano-Suiza HS23E engine 3.
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Rabbi Gordon wrote:With the offer accepted, Pierre de Vizcaya will enter the Spa race.

Naturally, the car will be the Rolland-Pilain RP001 chassis 2 powered by the Hispano-Suiza HS23E engine 3.

Technically, you entered after the deadline, but I'm going to accept the entry, as it took Normal32 so long to confirm the chassis deal.
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Belgian Grand Prix Preview:

24 of the 25 drivers who took part in the Targa Florio are also on the entry list for the first ever Belgian Grand Prix at Spa-Francorchamps. Only Giulio Masetti will not take part, as his car is driven by Alfa Romeo reserve driver Guido Meregalli this weekend.

Three additional drivers and a new manufacturer are joining the grid. Delage brings a third car for local driver Georges Mignolet. Pierre de Vizcaya has bought a Rolland-Pilain chassis for his Hispano-Suiza engine and makes his first start of 1923. Voisin have finally completed their car and have chosen the young talent Robert Benoist to drive the car.

Entry List:
1. Felice Nazzaro | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/1 | FIAT 405/1
2. René Thomas | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/2 | FIAT 405/2
3. Giuseppe Campari | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/3 | FIAT 405/3
4. Jules Goux | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/1 | Bugatti M8-23/1
5. Louis-Antoine Voeckler | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/2 | Bugatti M8-23/2
6. Jimmy Murphy | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/3 | Bugatti M8-23/3
7. Jean Chassagne | Automobiles Delage | Delage 2LCV/1 | Delage 2LCV/1
8. Albert Guyot | Automobiles Delage | Delage 2LCV/2 | Delage 2LCV/2
9. Georges Mignolet | Automobiles Delage | Delage 2LCV/3 | Delage 2LCV/3
10. Dario Resta | Bentley Motors Ltd. | Bentley WO23/1 | Bentley Gallop 304/1
11. Samuel Nurmester | Bentley Motors Ltd. | Bentley WO23/2 | Bentley Gallop 304/2
12. Christian Lautenschlager | Benz & Cie. | Benz RH-01/1 | Benz KFB-1/1
13. Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo | Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo | FIAT 805/4 | FIAT 405/4
14. Manso de Zuniga | Hispano-Suiza | Hispano-Suiza H23/1 | Hispano-Suiza HS23E/1
15. Ferdinand de Vizcaya | Hispano-Suiza | Hispano-Suiza H23/2 | Hispano-Suiza HS23E/2
16. Henry Segrave | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/1 | Sunbeam 23/1
17. Kenelm Lee Guinness | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/2 | Sunbeam 23/2
18. Albert Divo | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/3 | Sunbeam 23/3
19. Sammy Davis | AC Cars | AC Cars AC23/1 | AC Cars AC-3LI6/1
20. Clive Gallop | AC Cars | AC Cars AC23/2 | AC Cars AC-3LI6/2
21. Arthur Duray | Impéria | Impéria 8/12HP/1 | Impéria 8/12HP/1
22. André Lagache | Rolland-Pilain | Rolland-Pilain RP001/1 | Rolland-Pilain RP1/1
23. Giulio Masetti | Masetti Corse | Alfa Romeo P1/4 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/4
24. Pietro Bordino | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/3 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/3
25. Antonio Ascari | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/2 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/2
26. Enzo Ferrari | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/1 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/1
27. Robert Benoist | Avions Voisin | Voisin V01/1 | Voisin 1/1
28. Pierre de Vizcaya | Pierre de Vizcaya | Rolland-Pilain RP001/2 | Hispano-Suiza HS23E/3
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Belgian Grand Prix - Timed Practice

The Sunbeams lead the timed practice at Spa-Francorchamps, with Henry Segrave setting a fastest time of just over seven minutes on the 15km circuit. Antonio Ascari didn't match the times of the fastest two Sunbeams, but appeared to be the most consistent driver. The FIATs and Bugattis have chances for a good result as well. Pierre de Vizcaya and Georges Mignolet surprised with good times on their debuts, while the new Voisin, apparently down on engine power, was the slowest car on track.

1. Henry Segrave (Sunbeam) 7:06.4
2. Kenelm Lee Guinness (Sunbeam) +1.4
3. Antonio Ascari (Alfa Romeo) +1.7
4. Giuseppe Campari (FIAT) +2.5
5. Rene Thomas (FIAT) +3.1
6. Louis-Antoine Voeckler (Bugatti) +3.9
7. Jimmy Murphy (Bugatti) +3.9
8. Felice Nazzaro (FIAT) +4.0
9. Jules Goux (Bugatti) +4.0
10. Albert Divo (Sunbeam) +4.4
11. Pietro Bordino (Alfa Romeo) +4.4
12. Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo (FIAT) +5.4
13. Enzo Ferrari (Alfa Romeo) +5.9
14. Pierre de Vizcaya (Rolland-Pilain-Hispano-Suiza) +6.0
15. Arthur Duray (Impéria) +6.1
16. Guido Meregalli (Alfa Romeo) +6.7
17. Christian Lautenschlager (Benz) +6.8
18. Georges Mignolet (Delage) +7.4
19. Jean Chassagne (Delage) +8.6
20. Albert Guyot (Delage) +9.1
21. Dario Resta (Bentley) +12.3
22. Manso de Zuniga (Hispano-Suiza) +13.4
23. Andre Lagache (Rolland-Pilain) +14.0
24. Sammy Davis (AC Cars) +14.1
25. Ferdinand de Vizcaya (Hispano-Suiza) +14.6
26. Clive Gallop (AC Cars) +15.7
27. Samuel Nurmester (Bentley) +16.2
28. Robert Benoist (Voisin) +17.6
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1923 Belgian Grand Prix

Race report:

Starting grid

Starting from fifth, Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo had a brilliant start and went into the lead by the time they reached Les Combes for the first time. There, Kenelm Lee Guinness had to stop his car with a smoking engine. D'Avanzo led at the end of lap one, followed by Ascari and Murphy. Campari, Lautenschlager and Divo completed the top 6. Enzo Ferrari went off the road and had to retire from the race at Burnenville on lap 2. While Albert Divo made his way up to 4th, Murphy and Ascari battled for over half a lap, from Burnenville to La Source, where the american driver finally made the pass. The battle allowed d'Avanzo to extend her lead to over 10 seconds. But then Divo made his way past Ascari and Murphy, and began catching up to d'Avanzo. Jules Goux, who was running well in 5th, had to retire from the race with a broken axle on lap 6.

Divo took three more laps to catch up to d'Avanzo. But d'Avanzo was defending aggressively, and Divo took too much risk trying to pass her, resulting in a spin that dropped him to fourth. Nazzarro took advantage from the situation to pass Murphy. Local driver Georges Mignolet went off at Stavelot, causing significant damage to his Delage, and injuring his ankle. Meanwhile, Divo had passed Murphy and Nazzarro again, and attacked d'Avanzo once more. This time, he managed to pass her, but using the slipstream, d'Avanzo regained the position shortly afterwards. However, this wouldn't last long, since Divo's Sunbeam had the superior pace now. The french driver took the lead one lap later, and this time managed to pull away.

A meaningless, but entertaining battle for 21st between Lagache and Benoist ended after the Rolland-Pilain broke an axle. D'Avanzo lost another two positions to Nazzarro and Segrave. The race was calming down a bit now. There were less battles on track, and the drivers were just hoping to get their cars to the finish now. Nazzarro wasn't lucky, his car failed with just 9 laps to go. Neither was Targa Florio winner Ascari, who had to stop four laps before the end of the race.

Divo, having dominated the second half of the race, won one minute ahead of teammate Segrave, who completed the 1-2 for Sunbeam, securing the championship lead for the British manufacturer. Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo was the surprise of the day, managing to finish on the podium after having held the race lead for almost twenty laps. Pietro Bordino for Alfa Romeo and Jimmy Murphy for Bugatti completed the top 5.

Race results:
1. Albert Divo (Sunbeam) 54 Laps
2. Henry Segrave (Sunbeam) +1:03.324
3. Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo (FIAT) +1:21.148
4. Pietro Bordino (Alfa Romeo) +1:36.586
5. Jimmy Murphy (Bugatti) +1:51.262
6. Louis-Antoine Voeckler (Bugatti) +3:22.211
7. Guido Meregalli (Alfa Romeo) +6:15.934
8. Albert Guyot (Delage) +7:14.383
9. Clive Gallop (AC Cars) +1 Lap
10. Dario Resta (Bentley) +1 Lap
11. Giuseppe Campari (FIAT) +1 Lap
12. Rene Thomas (FIAT) +1 Lap
13. Manso de Zuniga (Hispano-Suiza) +2 Laps
14. Robert Benoist (Voisin) +2 Laps
Ret. Antonio Ascari (Alfa Romeo) +4 Laps / Steering
Ret. Felice Nazzaro (FIAT) +9 Laps / Steering
Ret. Jean Chassagne (Delage ) +9 Laps / Axle
Ret. Christian Lautenschlager (Benz) +14 Laps / Suspension
Ret. Samuel Nurmester (Bentley) +17 Laps / Breaks
Ret. Arthur Duray (Imperia) +28 Laps / Steering
Ret. Pierre de Vizcaya (Rolland-Pilain - Hispano-Suiza) +31 Laps / Engine
Ret. Andre Lagache (Rolland-Pilain) +36 Laps / Axle
Ret. Sammy Davis (AC Cars) +43 Laps / Suspension
Ret. Georges Mignolet (Delage) +45 Laps / Accident
Ret. Ferdinand de Vizcaya (Hispano-Suiza) +46 Laps / Engine
Ret. Jules Goux (Bugatti) +48 Laps / Axle
Ret. Enzo Ferrari (Alfa Romeo) +52 Laps / Accident
Ret. Kenelm Lee Guinness (Sunbeam) +53 Laps / Engine

Fastest Lap: Albert Divo (7:12.9)

Injuries:

Georges Mignolet has suffered a minor injury to his ankle in his accident, and will be injured for two weeks. As the French GP is four weeks away, he will recover in time for the race.


Damage report:

Delage 2LCV chassis 3 - 5000
Alfa Romeo P1 chassis 2 - 2500
Sunbeam 23 engine 2 - 1500
Hispano-Suiza HS23E engine 2 - 1500
Hispano-Suiza HS23E engine 3 - 3750

Prize money:
Albert Divo - 25 000
Henry Segrave - 18 000
Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo - 15 000
Pietro Bordino - 12 000
Jimmy Murphy - 10 500
Louis-Antoine Voeckler - 9 000
Guido Meregalli - 7 500
Albert Guyot - 6 250
Clive Gallop - 5 000
Dario Resta - 4 500
Giuseppe Campari - 4 000
René Thomas - 3 500
Manso de Zuniga - 3 000
Robert Benoist - 2 500
Antonio Ascari - 2 000
Felice Nazzarro - 1 500
Jean Chassagne - 1 000
Christian Lautenschlager - 750
Samuel Nurmester - 500
Arthur Duray - 250
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Wow! I wasn't intending initially to enter this race with Maria when this championship started, but a slightly promising result in the first race was encouraging, and this result may see further entries later in the year.
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Budgets are updated.

Entries for the French Grand Prix are now open.
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Following her podium, Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo has decided to try to continue her luck by entering the French Grand Prix.
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Voisin are running the French GP.
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FIAT will round up the usual suspects for the French Grand Prix.
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Same old, same old for Bugatti.
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Rolland-Pillain will enter their reserve driver, with the same equipment as before.
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Same combinations as Spa for Alfa Romeo.
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Delage will repair chassis 3
Our full-attack tout suprème Français line up is:

Delage 2LCV chassis 1 + Delage 2LCV engine 1 - Jean Chassagne
Delage 2LCV chassis 2 + Delage 2LCV engine 2 - Albert Guyot
Delage 2LCV chassis 3 + Delage 2LCV engine 3 - André Boillot
French Breakfast stand in the paddock - Georges Mignolet

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Benz will be back with Lautenschlager.
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This wrote:Delage will repair chassis 3
Our full-attack tout suprème Français line up is:

Delage 2LCV chassis 1 + Delage 2LCV engine 1 - Jean Chassagne
Delage 2LCV chassis 2 + Delage 2LCV engine 2 - Albert Guyot
Delage 2LCV chassis 3 + Delage 2LCV engine 3 - André Boillot
French Breakfast stand in the paddock - Georges Mignolet

And with that, we're almost out of money, so if anyone is interested in buying one of our cars/engines/chassis for a realistic prize (minimum the building cost) after the French GP, pm!

Sorry, but you currently don't have enough money to repair your third chassis. So only Chassagne's and Guyot's entries will be accepted for now.
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That was a hell of a race for us. We'll repair the damaged engine and enter with the exact same combinations at France.
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Arthur Duray and Impéria will of course be present at the French Grand Prix.
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pi314159 wrote:
This wrote:Delage will repair chassis 3
Our full-attack tout suprème Français line up is:

Delage 2LCV chassis 1 + Delage 2LCV engine 1 - Jean Chassagne
Delage 2LCV chassis 2 + Delage 2LCV engine 2 - Albert Guyot
Delage 2LCV chassis 3 + Delage 2LCV engine 3 - André Boillot
French Breakfast stand in the paddock - Georges Mignolet

And with that, we're almost out of money, so if anyone is interested in buying one of our cars/engines/chassis for a realistic prize (minimum the building cost) after the French GP, pm!

Sorry, but you currently don't have enough money to repair your third chassis. So only Chassagne's and Guyot's entries will be accepted for now.


Uhm, i have done the math, and i have 3000 + 7250 prize money, and i need 5000 to repair and 4500 to enter 3 cars? What information is missing that i didn't count it? And if the budget of 3000 is already updated with the prize money, how in the hell did that happen? If i remember correctly, i used to have enough budget to remain above 0 prize money not included. Sorry but i'm clearly missing something again. Getting a déja vu here...
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AC Cars will enter the French Grand Prix with the following combination

Sammy Davis - Chassis 1 Engine 2
Clive Gallop- Chassis 2 Engine 1
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Deadline for entries will be 12th October at noon CEST.
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