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As announced in the PMMF planning thread, I'm going to run a pre-war championship. This post contains the proposed rules of this championship. Before I start the signups, I'd like to discuss these proposed rules. I'd also like to give credit to tommykl, since the rules of this championship are in large parts based on his rules for the Alternate 1950s F1.

Rules:


1. Drivers:
Both fictional and real drivers are allowed to take part. The minimum age will be 21, the maximum age will be 55. Exceptions to the age rules will be made for real-life drivers who are proven to have been racing during that time.

2. Teams:
Both fictional and real-life teams are allowed. To make the team distribution fair, for the initial season, you'll have to submit a list of your 5 preferred teams, and entries will be decided by RNG. The 1923 constructors are:

Fiat (ITA) - 350 000 F
Bugatti (FRA) - 350 000 F
Alfa Romeo (ITA) - 300 000 F
Sunbeam (GBR) - 300 000 F
Delage (FRA) - 250 000 F
Benz (GER) - 175 000 F
Rolland-Pilain (FRA) - 150 000 F
Voisin (FRA) - 150 000 F
open slot 1 - 250 000 F
open slot 2 - 225 000 F
open slot 3 - 200 000 F
open slot 4 - 175 000 F
open slot 5 - 150 000 F

Any other real or fictional constructor can be entered with a budget of 100 000 F. Any fictional privateer will start with a budget of 60 000 F.

3. Building cars:
The designing and building of cars will be handled similar to tommykl's 1950s alternate F1. To keep the amount of entries down, the building costs will be higher though.

Chassis:
Tier / design costs / building costs / stats range
1 / 75 000 / 25 000 / 30-39
2 / 60 000 / 20 000 / 24-33
3 / 45 000 / 15 000 / 18-27
4 / 30 000 / 10 000 / 12-21
5 / 15 000 / 5 000 / 6-15

Engines:
Tier / design costs / building costs / stats range
1 / 45 000 / 15 000 / 20-26
2 / 36 000 / 12 000 / 16-22
3 / 27 000 / 9 000 / 12-18
4 / 18 000 / 6 000 / 8-14
5 / 9 000 / 3 000 / 4-10

Wether engine or chassis stats are more important will be varying from track to track.

3. 1923 Calendar:
To make a full championship, I decided to add a few more Grandes Épreuves to the 1923 season:

15 April - Targa Florio - Madonie - 7 Laps
24 June - Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps - 54 Laps
15 July - French Grand Prix - Tours - 35 Laps
12 August - British Grand Prix - Brooklands - 182 Laps
9 September - Italian Grand Prix - Monza - 80 Laps
28 October - Spanish Grand Prix - Lasarte - 45 Laps

4. Entering races:
Race entries will be race by race. Entries for the next race will only open after the previous race has been posted. Exceptions will only be made for users who announced their absence from the forums in the "Nipping out for a while"-thread. For a complete entry, chassis, engine and driver need to be specified. The total entry costs will be:
Home country - 1500 F / car
Same continent - 3000 F / car
Different continent - 7500 F / car

5. Accidents and injuries:
Motor racing is dangerous - especially in the 1920s. Serious injuries or even fatal crashes sadly were common back then. This aspect of motor racing will be included in this series as well. Obviously, that won't be the case for drivers that appear in tommykl's 1950s series or are otherwise relevant to the canon. They can still suffer short or medium term injuries though.

Accidents and mechanical failures will also cause damage to your cars that will need to be repaired.

6. Race strategy:
You will be able to decide wether to run the races fast, and risk retiring, or sacrificing speed to increase your chances of finishing. The available strategies are:
1 - Very aggressive: +10 Performance, 70% risk of non-accident retirement
2 - Aggressive +5 Performance, 60% risk of non-accident retirement
3 - Balanced +/- 0 Performance, 50% risk of non-accident retirement
4 - Conservative -5 Performance, 40% risk of non-accident retirement
5 - Very conservative -10 Performance, 30% risk of non-accident retirement

7. Points scoring system:
The points scoring system used will be the one used for the 1925 AIACR World Manufacturers' Championship. The winner will score 1 point, the 2nd placed car 2 points, the 3rd placed car 3 points, other finishers 4 points, non-finishers 5 points and non-participants 6 points. Only the best placed car of each manufacturer will score points. Each manufacturer will be allowed to drop one score.

Teams and Drivers

Fiat (Simtek)
Country: Italy

Budget: 115 750 F

Designs:
Chassis Fiat 805 (Tier 1, 1923)
Engine Fiat 405 (Tier 1, 1923)

Possesions:
Fiat 805 chassis 1
Fiat 805 chassis 2
Fiat 805 chassis 3
Fiat 405 engine 1
Fiat 405 engine 2
Fiat 405 engine 3

Drivers:
Felice Nazzaro
René Thomas
Giuseppe Campari

Bugatti (Normal32)
Country: France

Budget: 121 000 F

Designs:
Chassis Bugatti Type 32 (Tier 1, 1923)
Engine Bugatti M8-23 (Tier 1, 1923)

Possesions:
Bugatti Type 32 chassis 1
Bugatti Type 32 chassis 2
Bugatti Type 32 chassis 3
Bugatti M8-23 engine 1
Bugatti M8-23 engine 2
Bugatti M8-23 engine 3

Drivers:
Louis-Antoine Voeckler
Jules Goux
Jimmy Murphy

Alfa Romeo (Biscione)
Country: Italy

Budget: 80 500 F

Designs:
Chassis Alfa Romeo P1 (Tier 1, 1923)
Engine Alfa Romeo 6C 23 (Tier 1, 1923)

Possesions:
Alfa Romeo P1 chassis 1
Alfa Romeo P1 chassis 2
Alfa Romeo P1 chassis 3
Alfa Romeo 6C 23 engine 1
Alfa Romeo 6C 23 engine 2
Alfa Romeo 6C 23 engine 3

Drivers:
Pietro Bordino
Antonio Ascari
Guido Meregalli

Sunbeam (Simonracer)
Country: United Kingdom

Budget: 70 500 F

Designs:
Chassis Sunbeam 23 (Tier 1, 1923)
Engine Sunbeam 23 (Tier 1, 1923)

Possesions:
Sunbeam 23 chassis 1
Sunbeam 23 chassis 2
Sunbeam 23 chassis 3
Sunbeam 23 chassis 4
Sunbeam 23 engine 1
Sunbeam 23 engine 2
Sunbeam 23 engine 3
Sunbeam 23 engine 4

Drivers:
Henry Segrave
Albert Divo
Kenelm Lee Guinness
Albert Waters

Delage (This)
Country: France
Budget: 3 000 F

Designs:
Chassis Delage 2LCV (Tier 1, 1923)
Engine Delage 2LCV (Tier 1, 1923)

Possesions:
Delage 2LCV chassis 1
Delage 2LCV chassis 2
Delage 2LCV chassis 3
Delage 2LCV engine 1
Delage 2LCV engine 2
Delage 2LCV engine 3

Drivers:
Jean Chassagne
Albert Guyot
André Boillot
Georges Mignolet

Bentley (Nuppiz)
Country: United Kingdom

Budget: 101 500 F

Designs:
Chassis Bentley WO23 (Tier 3, 1923)
Engine Bentley Gallop 304 (Tier 1, 1923)

Possesions:
Bentley WO23 chassis 1
Bentley WO23 chassis 2
Bentley Gallop 304 engine 1
Bentley Gallop 304 engine 2

Drivers:
Samuel Nurmester
Dario Resta

AC Cars (peteroli34)
Country: United Kingdom

Budget: 55 500 F

Designs:
Chassis AC Cars AC23 (Tier 2, 1923)
Engine AC Cars AC-3LI6

Possesions:
AC Cars AC23 chassis 1
AC Cars AC23 chassis 2
AC Cars AC-3LI6 engine 1
AC Cars AC-3LI6 engine 2

Drivers:
Sammy Davis
Clive Gallop

Impéria (tommykl)
Country: Belgium

Budget: 34 250 F

Designs:
Chassis Impéria 8/12HP (Tier 1, 1923)
Engine Impéria 8/12HP (Tier 1, 1923)

Possesions:
Impéria 8/12HP chassis 1
Impéria 8/12HP engine 1

Drivers:
Arthur Duray

Benz (V8Fan12)
Country: Germany

Budget: 24 750 F

Designs:
Chassis Benz RH-01 (Tier 1, 1923)
Engine Benz KFB1 (Tier 1, 1923)

Possesions:
Benz RH-01 chassis 1
Benz KFB1 engine 1

Drivers:
Christian Lautenschlager
Friedrich Ziegler (reserve)

Hispano-Suiza (Ataxia)
Country: Spain

Budget: 32 500 F

Designs:
Chassis Hispano-Suiza H23 (Tier 3, 1923)
Engine Hispano-Suiza HS23E (Tier 1, 1923)

Possesions:
Hispano-Suiza H23 chassis 1
Hispano-Suiza H23 chassis 2
Hispano-Suiza HS23E engine 1
Hispano-Suiza HS23E engine 2

Drivers:
Manso de Zuniga
Ferdinand de Vizcaya

Voisin (Miguel98)
Country: France

Budget: 25 500 F

Designs:
Chassis Voisin V01 (Tier 1, 1923)
Engine Voisin 1 (Tier 4, 1923)

Possesions:
Voisin V01 chassis 1
Voisin 1 engine 1

Drivers:
Robert Benoist

Rolland-Pilain (Gonzalez)
Country: France

Budget: 18 000 F

Designs:
Chassis Rolland-Pilain RP001 (Tier 2, 1923)
Engine Rolland-Pilain RP1 (Tier 2, 1923)

Possesions:
Rolland-Pilain RP001 chassis 1
Rolland-Pilain RP1 engine 1

Drivers:
André Lagache
Frida Noguera (reserve)

Pierre de Vizcaya (Rabbi Gordon)

Budget: 10 000 F

Possessions:
Hispano-Suiza HS23E engine 3
Rolland-Pilain RP001 chassis 2

Drivers:
Pierre de Vizcaya

Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo (dr-baker)

Budget: 35 000 F

Possessions:
FIAT 805 chassis 4
FIAT 405 engine 4

Drivers:
Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo

Masetti Corse (Wizzie)

Budget: 39 250

Possessions:
Alfa Romeo P1 chassis 4
Alfa Romeo 6C 23 engine 4


Entry Lists:

1. Targa Florio
1. Felice Nazzaro | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/1 | FIAT 405/1
2. René Thomas | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/2 | FIAT 405/2
3. Giuseppe Campari | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/3 | FIAT 405/3
4. Jules Goux | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/1 | Bugatti M8-23/1
5. Louis-Antoine Voeckler | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/2 | Bugatti M8-23/2
6. Jimmy Murphy | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/3 | Bugatti M8-23/3
7. Jean Chassagne | Automobiles Delage | Delage 2LCV/1 | Delage 2LCV/1
8. Albert Guyot | Automobiles Delage | Delage 2LCV/2 | Delage 2LCV/2
9. Dario Resta | Bentley Motors Ltd. | Bentley WO23/1 | Bentley Gallop 304/1
10. Samuel Nurmester | Bentley Motors Ltd. | Bentley WO23/2 | Bentley Gallop 304/2
11. Christian Lautenschlager | Benz & Cie. | Benz RH-01/1 | Benz KFB-1/1
12. Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo | Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo | FIAT 805/4 | FIAT 405/4
13. Manso de Zuniga | Hispano-Suiza | Hispano-Suiza H23/1 | Hispano-Suiza HS23E/1
14. Ferdinand de Vizcaya | Hispano-Suiza | Hispano-Suiza H23/2 | Hispano-Suiza HS23E/2
15. Henry Segrave | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/1 | Sunbeam 23/1
16. Kenelm Lee Guinness | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/2 | Sunbeam 23/2
17. Albert Divo | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/3 | Sunbeam 23/3
18. Sammy Davis | AC Cars | AC Cars AC23/1 | AC Cars AC-3LI6/1
19. Clive Gallop | AC Cars | AC Cars AC23/2 | AC Cars AC-3LI6/2
20. Arthur Duray | Impéria | Impéria 8/12HP/1 | Impéria 8/12HP/1
21. André Lagache | Rolland-Pilain | Rolland-Pilain RP001/1 | Rolland-Pilain RP1/1
22. Giulio Masetti | Masetti Corse | Alfa Romeo P1/4 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/4
23. Pietro Bordino | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/1 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/1
24. Antonio Ascari | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/2 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/2
25. Enzo Ferrari | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/3 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/3

2. Belgian Grand Prix
1. Felice Nazzaro | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/1 | FIAT 405/1
2. René Thomas | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/2 | FIAT 405/2
3. Giuseppe Campari | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/3 | FIAT 405/3
4. Jules Goux | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/1 | Bugatti M8-23/1
5. Louis-Antoine Voeckler | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/2 | Bugatti M8-23/2
6. Jimmy Murphy | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/3 | Bugatti M8-23/3
7. Jean Chassagne | Automobiles Delage | Delage 2LCV/1 | Delage 2LCV/1
8. Albert Guyot | Automobiles Delage | Delage 2LCV/2 | Delage 2LCV/2
9. Georges Mignolet | Automobiles Delage | Delage 2LCV/3 | Delage 2LCV/3
10. Dario Resta | Bentley Motors Ltd. | Bentley WO23/1 | Bentley Gallop 304/1
11. Samuel Nurmester | Bentley Motors Ltd. | Bentley WO23/2 | Bentley Gallop 304/2
12. Christian Lautenschlager | Benz & Cie. | Benz RH-01/1 | Benz KFB-1/1
13. Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo | Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo | FIAT 805/4 | FIAT 405/4
14. Manso de Zuniga | Hispano-Suiza | Hispano-Suiza H23/1 | Hispano-Suiza HS23E/1
15. Ferdinand de Vizcaya | Hispano-Suiza | Hispano-Suiza H23/2 | Hispano-Suiza HS23E/2
16. Henry Segrave | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/1 | Sunbeam 23/1
17. Kenelm Lee Guinness | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/2 | Sunbeam 23/2
18. Albert Divo | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/3 | Sunbeam 23/3
19. Sammy Davis | AC Cars | AC Cars AC23/1 | AC Cars AC-3LI6/1
20. Clive Gallop | AC Cars | AC Cars AC23/2 | AC Cars AC-3LI6/2
21. Arthur Duray | Impéria | Impéria 8/12HP/1 | Impéria 8/12HP/1
22. André Lagache | Rolland-Pilain | Rolland-Pilain RP001/1 | Rolland-Pilain RP1/1
23. Giulio Masetti | Masetti Corse | Alfa Romeo P1/4 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/4
24. Pietro Bordino | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/3 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/3
25. Antonio Ascari | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/2 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/2
26. Enzo Ferrari | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/1 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/1
27. Robert Benoist | Avions Voisin | Voisin V01/1 | Voisin 1/1
28. Pierre de Vizcaya | Pierre de Vizcaya | Rolland-Pilain RP001/2 | Hispano-Suiza HS23E/3

3. French Grand Prix
1. Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo | Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo | FIAT 805/4 | FIAT 405/4
2. Robert Benoist | Avions Voisin | Voisin V01/1 | Voisin 1/1
3. Felice Nazzaro | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/1 | FIAT 405/1
4. René Thomas | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/2 | FIAT 405/2
5. Giuseppe Campari | Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino | FIAT 805/3 | FIAT 405/3
6. Jules Goux | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/1 | Bugatti M8-23/1
7. Louis-Antoine Voeckler | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/2 | Bugatti M8-23/2
8. Jimmy Murphy | Automobiles Ettore Bugatti | Bugatti Type 32/3 | Bugatti M8-23/3
9. Frida Noguera | Rolland-Pilain | Rolland-Pilain RP001/1 | Rolland-Pilain RP1/1
10. Pietro Bordino | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/3 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/3
11. Antonio Ascari | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/2 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/2
12. Enzo Ferrari | Alfa Romeo | Alfa Romeo P1/1 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/1
13. Christian Lautenschlager | Benz & Cie. | Benz RH-01/1 | Benz KFB-1/1
14. Guido Meregalli | Masetti Corse | Alfa Romeo P1/4 | Alfa Romeo 6C 23/4
15. Henry Segrave | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/1 | Sunbeam 23/1
16. Kenelm Lee Guinness | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/2 | Sunbeam 23/2
17. Albert Divo | Sunbeam | Sunbeam 23/3 | Sunbeam 23/3
18. Arthur Duray | Impéria | Impéria 8/12HP/1 | Impéria 8/12HP/1
19. Sammy Davis | AC Cars | AC Cars AC23/1 | AC Cars AC-3LI6/1
20. Clive Gallop | AC Cars | AC Cars AC23/2 | AC Cars AC-3LI6/2
21. Jean Chassagne | Automobiles Delage | Delage 2LCV/1 | Delage 2LCV/1
22. André Boillot | Automobiles Delage | Delage 2LCV/2 | Delage 2LCV/2
23. Pierre de Vizcaya | Pierre de Vizcaya | Rolland-Pilain RP001/2 | Hispano-Suiza HS23E/3
24. Dario Resta | Bentley Motors Ltd. | Bentley WO23/1 | Bentley Gallop 304/1
25. Samuel Nurmester | Bentley Motors Ltd. | Bentley WO23/2 | Bentley Gallop 304/2
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Alright! Here are my preferred manufacturers:

1. Fiat
2. Bugatti
3. Sunbeam
4. Miller
5. Delage

EDIT: I see we have to discuss the rules first, then sort out entries. I have no issue with the rules, they seem fair enough, so I'm happy.
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This looks mostly alright to me, though I have to ask why the Indy 500 is on the schedule. European entries there have always been exceedingly rare.
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Salamander wrote:This looks mostly alright to me, though I have to ask why the Indy 500 is on the schedule. European entries there have always been exceedingly rare.

Have to agree. I think it's best that if you're going to include the 500, it should just be the results of the real race, rather than simulated here with all the Euro-centric teams.
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Biscione wrote:
Salamander wrote:This looks mostly alright to me, though I have to ask why the Indy 500 is on the schedule. European entries there have always been exceedingly rare.

Have to agree. I think it's best that if you're going to include the 500, it should just be the results of the real race, rather than simulated here with all the Euro-centric teams.

Well, unless I'm mistaken, in the 1920s, American teams did also occasionally race in Europe. To be fair, Europeans racing at Indy was rarer, but there was some crossover. Not to mention that in the 1920s, Indianapolis was run to the same regulations as the regular Grandes Epreuves.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that a World Championship pushing European and American teams to cross the Atlantic more often would not be that much of a stretch. After all, it was the Roaring Twenties. Who needs money to actually do things? That's what credit is for! What's the worst that could happen?
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More importantly, where can we find a proper list of realistic real-life drivers from that era?
Because the only Belgian racing driver i know, Theodore Pilette, was already dead by then :P
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Looking at this, they didn't run under the same regulations in actuality, at least in 1925 (see the section on the Indy 500):
http://www.kolumbus.fi/leif.snellman/gp25a.htm

But that doesn't really matter, because we can always have the regulations the same in this.

Two questions:
1. How is the performance of the fictional drivers going to be worked out?
2. What about the riding mechanics? They were still mandatory in Europe in 1923 (although not in the Indy 500)
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This wrote:More importantly, where can we find a proper list of realistic real-life drivers from that era?
Because the only Belgian racing driver i know, Theodore Pilette, was already dead by then :P

If you want a Belgian driver, try Raymond de Tornaco. I don't know if he was related to Charles in any way, but he was winner in the 2-litre class at Le Mans that year, and third overall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1923_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans

This is the best I can do for a list of drivers from that era. Only problem is it's centred more on the 1930s, so there could be a lot of drivers that are too young.
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I will likely go for french frites, eh constructors. But if that fails, obviously i want to go for the Belgian route again. Either way, i need to be sure the driver choices are realistic.

Yeah i found that site too, it's do-able to find a lot of information about 30's, but for the 20's, i suppose i can use Le Mans as a reference.
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I included Indianapolis with the intention that the big teams could send their cars over to Indianapolis, with the rest of the field filled by American one-off starters. I included the dropped scores so that the small teams can avoid the cost of going to Indy without major disadvantages.

On the other hand, it's maybe not the best idea to start this championship with Indy, so I should maybe drop it from the 1923 calendar.
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Perhaps Indy could be a possibility a couple of years down the line, but it probably would be best to leave it out right now.
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simonracer wrote:Looking at this, they didn't run under the same regulations in actuality, at least in 1925 (see the section on the Indy 500):
http://www.kolumbus.fi/leif.snellman/gp25a.htm

But that doesn't really matter, because we can always have the regulations the same in this.

Two questions:
1. How is the performance of the fictional drivers going to be worked out?
2. What about the riding mechanics? They were still mandatory in Europe in 1923 (although not in the Indy 500)

The performance of fictional drivers will be entirely random. So if you sign a fictional driver, it's a gamble. You could end up with the next Caracciola, but also with the next Volonterio.

About riding mechanics, I'm going to assume they exist, but unless someone comes up with a good idea, they won't affect the game.
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I have decided to replace Indianapolis with the Targa Florio for 1923. The Targa Florio at that time was not run to GP regulations, but it was open to GP cars, so I thought it would be realistic enough to award championship points to the GP cars taking part in the event.

Also, since there isn't any american event any more, I have decided to replace Miller with Alfa Romeo in the list of available constructors.
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Signups are now open. Remember, teams will be allocated by RNG if there is more than one user interested in the team. You'll have time to sign up for the next 48 hours, so signups will close Monday at 4 PM CEST

Sorry for the triple post, but I wanted to put this in a seperate one.
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OK, now my preferred entries:

1. Fiat
2. Bugatti
3. Alfa Romeo
4. Sunbeam
5. Delage
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I will be looking to enter Hispano-Suiza as a constructor in one of the open slots.
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My preferred teams:
1. Bugatti
2. Delage
3. Rolland-Pilain
4. Voisin

If I don't get one of them, I'll just run a private team until sometime later.
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My team preferences:
1. Sunbeam
2. Aston-Martin (open slot)
3. Wolseley (open slot)
4. Vauxhall (open slot)
5. Bentley (open slot)
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Biscione's preferences;

1. Alfa Romeo
2. Bugatti
3. Renault (open slot 1)
4. S.L.P.A [Società Ligure Piemontese Automobili] (open slot 3)
5. Chiribiri (open slot 5)
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1 Bugatti (FRA)
2 Delage (FRA)
3 Peugeot (FRA) (open slot 1)
4 Excelsior (BEL) (open slot 3)
5 Impéria (BEL) (open slot 5)
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My preferred teams:
1- Alfa Romeo
2- Benz
3- Voisin
4- Horch (open slot 2)
5- Delage
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Team Preference

1.Napier & Son (GBR) Open Slot 1
2.AC (GBR) Open Slot 2
3.Delage (FRA)
4.Rolland-Pilain (FRA)
5Mathis Open Slot 5
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Preference:
1. Impéria (open slot 3)
2. Delage
3. Bugatti
4. Excelsior (open slot 4)
5. Benz
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Preferences:
1. Benz
2. Sunbeam
3. Alfa Romeo
4. Rolls-Royce (Open Slot 1)
5. Bentley (Open Slot 2)
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1. Sunbeam
2. Roland-Pilain
3. Austin (GBR) (open slot 2)
4. Lagonda (GBR) (open slot 4)
5. Singer (GBR) (open slot 5)
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To determine the team managers, I used the following system: For every team, I used a random number generator to decide who would get the team. If it wasn't the first choice, I used it again to decide a backup plan, and so on.

And these are the results:
Fiat - Simtek
Bugatti - Salamander
Alfa Romeo - Biscione
Sunbeam - Simonracer
Delage - This
Benz - V8Fan12
Voisin - Miguel98
Bentley (open slot 1) - Nuppiz
AC (open slot 2) - peteroli34
Impéria (open slot 3) - tommykl
Hispano-Suiza (open slot 4) - Ataxia

Rolland-Pilain and open slot 5 remain open for anyone to take.

Edit: Rolland-Pilain has been taken by Normal32.
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I will enter Bentley in open slot 1.
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You can now start to design and build cars. Also, driver signing opens. Fictional drivers will be controlled by the users that hold their DEC, real drivers will be controlled by RNG. Please also state how many real drivers you want to sign. But beware, if you sign drivers, but don't enter them in any GPs, it will significantly reduce your chances for real drivers in the future. You can submit a list of 5 drivers for each individual car, ordered by priority.
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Rolland-Pillain will built a Tier 2 chassis, and a Tier 2 engine.

Drivers preference:
Andre Laganche
Rene Leonard
Andre Rossignol
John Duff
Frank Clement
Frida Noguera (ESP) (f) - if she dosen't get the seat, she will be the reserve driver.
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Delage will construct 3 tier 1 cars and two tier 1 engines.

Driver preference:
Car 1:
1 René Thomas (FRA), won indy 500 in 1914 for Delage, and is familiar with the team
2 Jean Chassagne (FRA)
3 André Bouilliot (FRA)
4 Gérard De Courcelles (FRA)
5 Arthur Duray (BEL)

Car 2:
1 Julex Goux (FRA)
2 Alber Guyot (FRA)
3 André Rossignol (FRA)
4 Robert Bloch (FRA)
5 Joseph Christiaans (BEL)

Car 3 for the french GP only:
1 Jean Chassagne
2 Albert Guyot
3 André Boulliout
4 André Rossignol
5 Gérard De Courcelles.

I'm not sure if all drivers were still alive by 1923, but most of them were.

Reserve driver will be fictional driver Georges Mignolet.
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AC will build 2 Tier 2 Chassis Designation AC23 and 2 Tier 2 Engines Designation AC-3LI6

AC Will also build privateer teams a complete Chassis and Engine for 38,000 F

Drivers Car 1

Henry Segrave
Antonio Ascari
Felice Nazzaro
Clive Gallop
Albert Divo

Drivers Car 2

Sammy Davis
 Dario Resta
Louis Zborowski
Ernest Eldridge
Kenelm Lee Guinness
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Voisin will build only a car, with a tier 1 chassis and tier 4 engine.

Drivers (by order of preference):
Robert Benoist
Henry Segrave
Ferenc Szisz
Alessandro Cagno
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Benz will build one Tier 1 Chassis and one Tier 1 Engine. We are also willing to build chassis and engines to sell or lease to privateers on request.

Driver preference:
1. Christian Lautenschlager
2. Max Sailer
3. Christian Werner
4. Otto Salzer
5. Giuilo Masetti
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Impéria will build one single car, tier 1 for both chassis and engine. Assuming privateers will be allowed, we will build a second if we start to sell the bloody things :P
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Hispano-Suiza will build the following:

Car: Tier 3, x2 (Hispano-Suiza H23)
Engine: Tier 1, x2 (Hispano-Suiza HS23E)

If privateers enter, we'll provide an affordable package for them.

Driver Preference:

Car 1:
Manso de Zuñiga (ESP)
Ferdinand de Vizcaya (ESP)
Pierre de Vizcaya (ESP)
Jules de Ségovia (ESP)
Martín de Álzaga (ARG)

Car 2:
Ferdinand de Vizcaya (ESP)
Pierre de Vizcaya (ESP)
Jules de Ségovia (ESP)
Martín de Álzaga (ARG)
Luigi Platé (SUI)
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Bugatti will design and build 3 Tier 1 chassis' and 3 Tier 1 engines. We would also be interested in talking with prospective customers about building and leasing privateer cars for them.

Our driver bids are as follows:

Car 1:
Jules Goux
Andre Dubonnet
Andre Boillot
Albert Divo
Albert Guyot

Car 2:
Louis-Alphonse Voeckler (Biscione's driver)

Car 3:
Jimmy Murphy
Henry Seagrave
Felice Nazarro
Enzo Ferrari
Antonio Ascari

As an added incentive for Jules Goux to join our team, we will buy him all the champagne he could ever drink.

In other news, accomplished hillclimb racer Maurice Gauthier is looking to make a foray into the world of Grand Prix racing.

EDIT: Our chassis design will be designated the Type 32, and our engine design will be designated the M8-23.
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Alfa Romeo will design a Tier 1 Chassis & Engine, and then build three of each component. We will build more on order from privateers, at a cost of £45,000 for a package.

Our driver preferences;

Car 1
Felice Nazzaro
Pietro Bordino
Gastone Brilli-Peri
Giuseppe Campari

Car 2
Antonio Ascari
Ugo Sivocci
Ferdinando Minoia
Giuseppe Campari

Car 3
Guido Meregalli
Enzo Ferrari
Alfieri Maserati
Cesare Pastore
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Fiat will design and build 3 Tier 1 chassis and engines. We may build more on request from privateers at a cost of 45,000 F per package. Our driver preferences are as follows:

Car 1
Felice Nazzaro
Antonio Ascari
Gastone Brilli-Peri
Enzo Ferrari
Tommy Milton

Car 2
Jules Goux
Pietro Bordino
René Thomas
Robert Benoist
Marcel Lehoux

Car 3
Henry Segrave
Giuseppe Campari
Carlo Salamano
Ferdinando Minoia
Albert Divo
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Sunbeam will design and build 4 Tier 1 chassis and engines. If privateers pay us 45000 we'll build them a Tier 1 engine and chassis too.

We'd like to sign 3 real drivers as main drivers, plus a second driver from the list of drivers for car 3 as a reserve driver if possible.

Car 1 drivers

Henry Segrave
Pietro Bordino
Dario Resta
Jules Goux
Felice Nazzaro

Car 2 drivers
Albert Divo
Rene Thomas
Giuseppi Campari
Robert Benoist
Jean Chassagne

Car 3 drivers
Kenelm Lee Guiness
Robert Laly
Andre Dubonnet
Andre Boillot
Ernest Friderich

Car 4 driver will be Albert Waters (GBR), a fictional driver.
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