Alt-1958: Season finished!

Gonzalez · Post by **Gonzalez** » 03 Nov 2017, 23:14

This Could Be You wrote:
Gonzalez wrote:As part of the overhaul of a new team, the following items will be up for sale by Connaught:

Connaught Type B chassis 1
Connaught Type B chassis 2

2 OSCA 1557s may also be available if needed.

Any interested collectors do send me your interests, I strongly need them gone.

How much would one of your 1557 engines be?

As it's a used OSCA Engine from last year, I can sell them for up to 11,000 each with an option going less if it's a little stiff for you.

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 03 Nov 2017, 23:32

Gonzalez wrote:As it's a used OSCA Engine from last year, I can sell them for up to 11,000 each with an option going less if it's a little stiff for you.

I'm afraid 11000 is a little too steep, especially as OSCA themselves are selling theirs for only 9000. Would 8500 for one be an acceptable price, considering that these aren't works-maintained engines?

Gonzalez · Post by **Gonzalez** » 03 Nov 2017, 23:37

This Could Be You wrote:
Gonzalez wrote:As it's a used OSCA Engine from last year, I can sell them for up to 11,000 each with an option going less if it's a little stiff for you.

I'm afraid 11000 is a little too steep, especially as OSCA themselves are selling theirs for only 9000. Would 8500 for one be an acceptable price, considering that these aren't works-maintained engines?

8500 is fine by me. I only estimated the original price myself so I wasn't too sure if it was right. But fairs. How many would you like though?

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 03 Nov 2017, 23:41

Gonzalez wrote:
This Could Be You wrote:
Gonzalez wrote:As it's a used OSCA Engine from last year, I can sell them for up to 11,000 each with an option going less if it's a little stiff for you.

I'm afraid 11000 is a little too steep, especially as OSCA themselves are selling theirs for only 9000. Would 8500 for one be an acceptable price, considering that these aren't works-maintained engines?

8500 is fine by me. I only estimated the original price myself so I wasn't too sure if it was right. But fairs. How many would you like though?

Just the one, please- we only have one chassis.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 03 Nov 2017, 23:42

Scuderia Ugolini will design a Tier 1 engine, designated the Ugolini 1-58, for £5,000. Ugolini will build one 1-58 engine.

The engine is available for potential customers for £2,000.

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 03 Nov 2017, 23:47

Hernandez will buy a sole OSCA 1558 engine and build a 562.

Gonzalez · Post by **Gonzalez** » 03 Nov 2017, 23:48

This Could Be You wrote:
Just the one, please- we only have one chassis.

OK, there you go. Connaught will sell O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 9 for 8,500 to, Brian Naylor I believe?

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 03 Nov 2017, 23:57

Gonzalez wrote:
This Could Be You wrote:
Just the one, please- we only have one chassis.

OK, there you go. Connaught will sell O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 9 for 8,500 to, Brian Naylor I believe?

Yep- and with that, we now have a complete F1 car ready to race with in 1958.

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 04 Nov 2017, 07:29

BRM are able to supply any team with two P25 engines if they wish

Gertrand Bachot · Post by **Gertrand Bachot** » 04 Nov 2017, 12:03

V8fan12 wrote:BRM are able to supply any team with two P25 engines if they wish

I would be interested in acquiring 1 if possible.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 04 Nov 2017, 12:24

Cooper Will spend 100,000 on designing a new Chassis designated the T45. Of which Cooper themselves will build 2.
The T45 chassis will be offered for sale to perspective teams for 27,000.
Cooper also offer a Payment Plan for the T45 chassis in which teams can place a deposit of 11,000 and pay 11 payments of 2,000 to be taken at the conclusion of each GP, any missed payment will result in cooper taking repossession of said chassis

Cooper will buy back any T40 or T41 for 2,000

Gertrand Bachot · Post by **Gertrand Bachot** » 04 Nov 2017, 12:28

Écurie Guillion Bachot has confirmed the purchasing of a Ugolini engine for £2,000 from Scuderia Ugolini and are awaiting further news.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 04 Nov 2017, 12:30

Gertrand Bachot wrote:Écurie Guillion Bachot has confirmed the purchasing of a Ugolini engine for £2,000 from Scuderia Ugolini and are awaiting further news.

Scuderia Ugolini confirm this purchase. No more Ugolini engines will be sold to customers.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 04 Nov 2017, 14:48

Normal32 wrote:Hernandez will buy a sole OSCA 1558 engine and build a 562.

Confirmed

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 04 Nov 2017, 20:51

Gertrand Bachot wrote:
V8fan12 wrote:BRM are able to supply any team with two P25 engines if they wish

I would be interested in acquiring 1 if possible.

BRM would be happy to supply you with one for £8,000. Is that acceptable?

We would also like to note that our P26 engines are also available on request for a new reduced price of £18,000

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 05 Nov 2017, 19:05

peteroli34 wrote:Cooper Will spend 100,000 on designing a new Chassis designated the T45. Of which Cooper themselves will build 2.
The T45 chassis will be offered for sale to perspective teams for 27,000.
Cooper also offer a Payment Plan for the T45 chassis in which teams can place a deposit of 11,000 and pay 11 payments of 2,000 to be taken at the conclusion of each GP, any missed payment will result in cooper taking repossession of said chassis

Cooper will buy back any T40 or T41 for 2,000

Could the British Racing Partnership buy one T45 chassis please?

V8fan12 wrote:We would also like to note that our P26 engines are also available on request for a new reduced price of £18,000

And also one P26 engine, please.

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 05 Nov 2017, 22:51

Aislabie wrote:
V8fan12 wrote:We would also like to note that our P26 engines are also available on request for a new reduced price of £18,000

And also one P26 engine, please.

Done deal!

BRM P26 engine 5 will be built and dispatched to you shortly.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 05 Nov 2017, 22:57

Aislabie wrote:
Could the British Racing Partnership buy one T45 chassis please?

You can indeed

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 06 Nov 2017, 03:33

Asso di Fiori have came to an agreement with O.S.C.A. to purchase an O.S.C.A. F158 chassis + O.S.C.A. 1558 engine package for the reduced price of 30,000.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 06 Nov 2017, 06:25

RonDenisDeletraz wrote:Asso di Fiori have came to an agreement with O.S.C.A. to purchase an O.S.C.A. F158 chassis + O.S.C.A. 1558 engine package for the reduced price of 30,000.

O.S.C.A. confirms the deal.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 07 Nov 2017, 18:11

Ferrari will design a new chassis - the 246 - and a new engine - the 143 - for this year, at 100K and 60K tiers respectively.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 09 Nov 2017, 22:55

Maserati will wait for a decision about the name deal with OSCA to decide if the name will be kept or changed

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 09 Nov 2017, 23:03

FantometteBR wrote:Maserati will wait for a decision about the name deal with OSCA to decide if the name will be kept or changed

O.S.C.A. will continue to use their own name in 1958. My offer to buy the Maserati name still stands though, to allow for a possible later rebrand of OSCA.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 10 Nov 2017, 22:17

Lotus will spend $100k on a new chassis design, dubbed the Lotus 12. We will build two cars for the works team, and two for Rob Walker Racing at a price that will be discussed between the two teams

Post by **Miguel98** » 11 Nov 2017, 18:49

Coventry will design one engine and build 1 engine, a top tier one: 60000//15000//22.5-24. The engine is named FPV V.

Post by **kevinbotz** » 11 Nov 2017, 21:53

B.C.M.A. will transfer RP.1001 chassis 1 and A/AS Wyvern engine 2 to Owen Racing Organization, for an aggregate sum of £45,000.

Dom_Wings · Post by **Dom_Wings** » 11 Nov 2017, 21:55

In behalf of Rob Wa... oh, wrong team.

In behalf of Owen Racing Organisation, I confirm this deal with BCMA.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 11 Nov 2017, 22:37

Miguel98 wrote:Coventry will design one engine and build 1 engine, a top tier one: 60000//15000//22.5-24. The engine is named FPV V.

Cooper Would like to buy 3

Post by **tommykl** » 11 Nov 2017, 22:41

Driver signings

Because we've got a couple of people who are now to this series, here's how this usually goes down:

All you have to do is submit the number of drivers you wish to sign, accompanied with a list of up to 10 drivers you'd like to secure for each drive. This list can be the same for each drive, or different. You do not have to submit a complete list.

If you do not submit a list before the deadline, you can still sign a driver later, but your choice will be restricted to unsigned drivers.

But this year, there's a twist...

For 1958, you can add a sum of money to your bid. If your team has a large amount of money and/or you really want a certain driver, you can bid any sum of money. This will not guarantee a signing, but it will skew the RNG in your favour depending on how much money you throw at the driver.

Of course, you can always choose not to offer money. You will still be included in the RNG, but with less chance of making a successful signing.

The deadline is Thursday, November 16th 2017 at noon CET.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 11 Nov 2017, 23:52

Bids for two cars for each team, in order of preference.

Scuderia Centro Sud
Masten Gregory - £35,000
Juan Manuel Fangio - £10,000 (if Gregory is NOT signed) / £10,000 (if Gregory is signed)10
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £10,000 (if neither Gregory, Fangio or Sanesi are signed) / £1,000 (IF any of the above are signed
Consalvo Sanesi - £5,000 (if Gregory OR Fangio is not signed) / £1,000 (if Gregory is signed)
Hans Hermann
André Guelfi
Gerino Gerini
Jean Behra
Luigi Musso

Scuderia Ugolini
Hans Hermann
André Guelfi
Gerino Gerini
Jean Behra
Luigi Musso
Paolo Marzotto

Dom_Wings · Post by **Dom_Wings** » 11 Nov 2017, 23:55

Rob Walker Racing will buy two Lotus 12 chassis from Team Lotus for a total price of £45,000.

There will be a condition involving this deal between Lotus and Walker, but that is an internal thing between me and Wizzie

Post by **kevinbotz** » 11 Nov 2017, 23:59

B.C.M.A. will repair C-01.EX chassis 1 and 3, before proceeding to transfer C-01.EX chassis 1, 2, and 3 to Scuderia Ugolini for £2,998, and a free service.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 12 Nov 2017, 00:04

kevinbotz wrote:B.C.M.A. will repair C-01.EX chassis 1 and 3, before proceeding to transfer C-01.EX chassis 1, 2, and 3 to Scuderia Ugolini for £2,998, and a free service.

Scuderia Ugolini confirms this purchase

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 12 Nov 2017, 00:08

Bids for two cars, in order of preference.

British Racing Motors
Joe Flynn
Ivor Bueb
Bob Gerard
Ninian Sanderson
Ron Flockhart
Paul Frere
Paul Emery
Bruce Halford
Horace Gould
Innes Ireland

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 12 Nov 2017, 00:13

Escuderia Hernandez

Gilberte Thirion - 7,500
Juan Manuel Fangio - 5,000
Oscar Galvez
Juan Galvez
Chan Lye-Choon
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Jim Clark - reserve driver

Dom_Wings · Post by **Dom_Wings** » 12 Nov 2017, 00:27

Both in order of preference (3 cars for Walker, 2 for Owen).

Rob Walker Racing
Mike Hawthorn
Stirling Moss
José Froilán González
Peter Collins
Troy Ruttman - 5K
Graham Hill
Robert Manzon
Jo Bonnier
Masten Gregory
Duncan Hamilton

Owen Racing Organisation
Alan Stacey - 5K
Jack Fairman - 5K
Stuart Lewis-Evans
Jimmy Davies
Harry Schell
Maurice Trintignant
Innes Ireland
Cliff Allison
Dan Gurney
Roy Salvadori

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 12 Nov 2017, 09:13

Reg Parnell racing will bid on Tim Parnell whenever he becomes old and experienced enough, and that's it, for the rest he'll still drive himself.

No huge plans for Ecurie Maarsbergen alone, the team owner himself is good enough.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 12 Nov 2017, 12:11

peteroli34 wrote:i shall continue in f1 1958 however the works Gordini Team have gone with ART split of as a separate entry entering a few races in mainland Europe.

In terms of the arrangements of the Voeckler/Gordini and ART split...for ART, 150K plus all vehicular assets that aren't Gordini manufactured sounds fair for a privateer effort to roll with?

We are also willing to supply newly constructed cars to the original Gordini specification at build cost to ART if it wishes to continue using such equipment.

Scuderia Ferrari

Ferrari will build four 246 chassis and four 143 engines immediately.

Ferrari's driver selection is as follows;

Seats One & Two
Peter Collins / 30K
Mike Hawthorn / 15K
Onofre Marimón / 5K
José Froilán González / 5K
Jo Bonnier
Wolfgang von Trips

Seat Three
Umberto Maglioli / 15K
Jo Bonnier
Wolfgang von Trips
Libero Liberati
Giulio Cabianca
Masten Gregory

Seat Four
This is a seat share where all drivers are part-time at local events
Tony Gaze - Australia [then retirement]
Jean Behra or Fernand Tavano (in that order) - Monaco & France
Oliver Gendebien - Netherlands & Belgium
Wolfgang von Trips - Germany & Britain
Masten Gregory, Phil Hill or Richie Ginther (in that order, exclude any that signed in seat three, sign a pair) - USA

Ecurie Voeckler
Gordini's former works effort will move to Voeckler's newly expanded workshops in Linas, Île-de-France.

Voeckler will attempt to sign all the following drivers;
Robert Manzon / 5K
Andre Simon / 5K
Maurice Trintignant / 5K

If after this we have less than three drivers, we will continue to attempt signing drivers from this list until we have three in place;
Hermano da Silva Ramos
Jean Behra
André Guelfi

Separately to these lists, Voeckler will also look to sign Georges Burggraff on a part-time basis.

Ecurie Ecosse
Local privateer Ecurie Ecosse is looking to acquire a pair of race ready cars on a dry loan basis for the British GP. It will also look to employ two of its sportscar regulars in the seat, the F1 drives offered in this order;

Ron Flockhart
Ninian Sanderson
Ivor Bueb
Jack Fairman
John Lawrence

Post by **Nuppiz** » 12 Nov 2017, 14:20

Vanwall will spend £100 000 on a new design called VW58. One example will be built for the factory team, further examples will be available for £27 000, with a further £1 000 discount for British entrants.

A VW58-VE2 package will cost £42 000, or £41 000 if you're British. VW56 and VW57 are no longer sold new. VE2 engine price will be reduced to £16 500 (non-Brits) / £16 000 (Brits). 254 engine will be removed from production schedule.

Vanwall 254 engine 7 will be put up for sale at £4 000. All of the other 254 engines and VW55 chassis will be sold to collectors.

Our driver bids are in order if importance:
Stirling Moss (£20 000)
Peter Collins (£17 500)
Mike Hawthorn (£15 000)
Duncan Hamilton (£7 500)
Graham Hill (£5 000)
Roy Salvadori
Ron Flockhart
Stuart Lewis-Evans

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 12 Nov 2017, 18:28

DemocalypseNow wrote:
peteroli34 wrote:i shall continue in f1 1958 however the works Gordini Team have gone with ART split of as a separate entry entering a few races in mainland Europe.

In terms of the arrangements of the Voeckler/Gordini and ART split...for ART, 150K plus all vehicular assets that aren't Gordini manufactured sounds fair for a privateer effort to roll with?

We are also willing to supply newly constructed cars to the original Gordini specification at build cost to ART if it wishes to continue using such equipment.

I'll go with that

Cooper Driver Bids

Car 1 & 2
Jack Brabham (20,000)
Stirling Moss (15,000)
Peter Collins (10,000)
Umberto Maglioli
Mike Hawthorn
Graham Hill
Jo Bonnier
Phill Hill
Bruce Mclaren
Harry Schell

ART x2 drivers
Juan Manuel Fangio (2,000)
Georges Burgraff
Maria Teresa De Philips
Lucien Bianchi
Luigi Musso