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by Faustus 07 Feb 2019, 12:40
I noticed that this thread hadn't been started yet so I took the liberty of doing so.

Today Haas showed off their new livery. It's very black with some gold highlights and lettering, in a very Team Enstone circa 2011 way:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14136 ... car-reveal

Or perhaps the Toyota F109 test car that Pirelli used.

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by Pacific 777 07 Feb 2019, 15:23
Not bad at all. When I first read about Rich Energy sponsoring the team I immediately pictured a Lotus clone, yet they managed to do it in such a way, their car still looks origional. Will be interesting to see what Renault do, as the two cars could look similar except for gold/yellow.
by Waris 07 Feb 2019, 15:51
Pacific 777 wrote:Not bad at all. When I first read about Rich Energy sponsoring the team I immediately pictured a Lotus clone, yet they managed to do it in such a way, their car still looks origional. Will be interesting to see what Renault do, as the two cars could look similar except for gold/yellow.


The obvious solution for Renault would be: add more yellow...

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by Wallio 07 Feb 2019, 17:25
Judging by here and Twitter and Reddit and other forums, I seem to be the only person not to like it. And I HATE it. Which annoys me because Haas has obviously been my team since they joined. But talk about unoriginal tripe. They just took an '80s JPS Lotus and went "Yeah, that." Oooo they added white "HAAS" letters, big f'ning deal. Also I'm questioning the sponsor, as I'm 90% sure Rich Energy isn't sold in America. Its certainly not sold here in PA. Kind of an odd team choice there.

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by Waris 07 Feb 2019, 18:12
Pacific 777 wrote:
Waris wrote:The obvious solution for Renault would be: add more yellow...


Yeah, fair enough, they at least have 4 days to fix things..


Now I wonder: do teams ever plan their launches to adjust their liveries to those of other teams, or are the liveries decided looong before that?

By the way, I'd like to say that among the corporate dread of Alfa Romeo and the sheer blandness of Racing Point, I'm loving these shenanigans with Haas and Rich Energy. It has a very disorganized, shabby, late 80s-early 90s feeling to it. I'd say it has shades of Andrea Moda (and I don't just mean the livery). I think we should all celebrate it. It's... positively REJECTFUL!

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by Salamander 07 Feb 2019, 18:14
Wallio wrote:Judging by here and Twitter and Reddit and other forums, I seem to be the only person not to like it. And I HATE it. Which annoys me because Haas has obviously been my team since they joined. But talk about unoriginal tripe. They just took an '80s JPS Lotus and went "Yeah, that." Oooo they added white "HAAS" letters, big f'ning deal. Also I'm questioning the sponsor, as I'm 90% sure Rich Energy isn't sold in America. Its certainly not sold here in PA. Kind of an odd team choice there.


Don't worry - I despise this livery too. It's so utterly devoid of any creativity or identity, just like the Williams Martini livery. Why couldn't Haas just get whoever does their NASCAR liveries to do it? I'd love to see this on their F1 car...

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by CarloSpace 07 Feb 2019, 18:23
Yeah, not a fan of it either. It's just black with some gold accents and white Haas logo on the side. There's nothing wrong in black liveries (Andrea Moda, Arrows A19) but this one is just bland wannabe-JPS-Lotus-esque mishmash.

But, my opinion might change once I see it one track. Promo pics are always just promo pics and the car could be whole lot different come Australia and natural lighting.
by UncreativeUsername37 08 Feb 2019, 00:10
It's black. With a few lines of gold. But it's pretty much one solid colour. It's almost as boring as last year's Ferrari. But Ferrari is allowed to be boring. A team that's been around for only a few years isn't.

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by Rob Dylan 09 Feb 2019, 09:47
I thought it was very underwhelming. To me, black is a very uninteresting for cars - I always like a bit of blue, red or yellow thrown in there somewhere. This is a little too mono-chromatic for my personal tastes. Let's hope the other liveries will be less underwhelming :evil:

It also reminded me of this scene from Spinal Tap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46kXH6GGtT0

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by mario 09 Feb 2019, 11:50
Waris wrote:
Pacific 777 wrote:
Waris wrote:The obvious solution for Renault would be: add more yellow...


Yeah, fair enough, they at least have 4 days to fix things..


Now I wonder: do teams ever plan their launches to adjust their liveries to those of other teams, or are the liveries decided looong before that?

By the way, I'd like to say that among the corporate dread of Alfa Romeo and the sheer blandness of Racing Point, I'm loving these shenanigans with Haas and Rich Energy. It has a very disorganized, shabby, late 80s-early 90s feeling to it. I'd say it has shades of Andrea Moda (and I don't just mean the livery). I think we should all celebrate it. It's... positively REJECTFUL!

The way that the founder of Rich Energy has been boasting about his company and about Haas as well, from taking pot shots at Red Bull through to comparing his critics to conspiracy theorists, does have a very strong vibe of the sort of antics that teams like Andrea Moda went though in the 1990s.

I can't help but wonder if this is going to backfire spectacularly later on in the season - particularly as it turns out that the company Whyte Bikes is pursuing legal action in the UK's Intellectual Property Enterprise Court against Rich Energy, with Whyte Bikes accusing Rich Energy of imitating their logo (the hearing is due in March, with final judgement due in May). You would have thought that Haas might have been a bit more wary about dealing with a company that is currently facing that sort of litigation, but evidently not.

It seems that it's not the only questionable deal that has been done recently though, as Red Bull are facing some awkward questions over one of their new sponsors too. They have signed a deal with a company called FuturoCoin, which is one of the many cryptocurrency companies that have sprung up over the past few years.

However, there have been quite a few questions raised over FuturoCoin, which a number of individuals have accused of running a Ponzi style scam, and it seems that the company is currently being investigated in Poland over accusations that it is defrauding its customers - allegations that, it seems, Red Bull have declined to respond to when asked about them by the Polish media.

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by dinizintheoven 09 Feb 2019, 16:15
What next, Mercedes announcing a sponsorship deal with The World's Only Clean Energy Solution That Will Free 'Murica Of Middle Eastern Oil Forever that can be traced to a run-down shack in Scottsdale, Arizona?

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by Faustus 11 Feb 2019, 13:52
The Toro Rosso has been revealed:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14142 ... -f1-design

The livery is the same as last year and the car isn't very different, apart from the changes enforced by new regulations.

Gary Anderson's analysis:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/88 ... is-closing
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by Miguel98 11 Feb 2019, 17:34
Faustus wrote:The Williams with new Herbie Hancock sponsorhip:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14142 ... r-for-2019


In my opinion, this looks terrible. The livery looks like it was designed by a 10 year playing around in Paint, who found out about the brush tool and used it on the edges of the car.

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by Wallio 11 Feb 2019, 17:44
That Williams is pretty poor...

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by CaptainGetz12 11 Feb 2019, 18:45
Wallio wrote:That Williams is pretty poor...


As long as Sauber/Alfa Romeo don't run a majority white car this year it'll be distinct at least! The Rokit sponsorship clashes with it though.

Should of made the white some stripes rather than the inside fill:
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I thought of returning to the grey and green Saudia livery, but after the latest amount of news from Saudi Arabia maybe that'd be in poor taste :D
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by Ataxia 11 Feb 2019, 18:59
Faustus wrote:The Toro Rosso has been revealed:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14142 ... -f1-design

The livery is the same as last year and the car isn't very different, apart from the changes enforced by new regulations.

Gary Anderson's analysis:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/88 ... is-closing


Gary Anderson AND...? ;)

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by novitopoli 11 Feb 2019, 19:02
What's this fad about unknown startups becoming Formula 1 title sponsors? First Rich Energy, now these guys...

In other news, McLaren have found someone willing to pump a tiny bit of cash into their accounts...

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by dinizintheoven 11 Feb 2019, 19:20
With due warning about the two commenters below being the kind of people who need an account on Grammarly, here's some reaction to Williams' new title sponsor:

calvinnnng on motorsport.com wrote:So another new company that don't actually sell a product yet?

Laszlo70 on motorsport.com wrote:but 2 saw rockit company. One makes T-shirts and ugly hoodies and sweatshirts at a price that you could buy quality clothes. Theirs look rather ugly and poorly designed. The other rockit hasn't sold anything yet, they designed some rather primitive looking and boring cell-phone but there is none sold yet. Both rokit are new and probably no sales record either. Both has a website but looks to be designed and built by a 10 year old kid or somebody with basic web design knowledge.
Neither one made a dollar sales and they are the primary sponsor of an f1 team. Just like the Haas's Rich Energy.

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Meanwhile, there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth and grandstanding about McLaren's decision to accept sponsorship from British American Tobacco alongside Ferrari's not-at-all-well-disguised continuous relationship with Philip Morris. Much of it is along these lines:

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To which I can only add:

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by good_Ralf 11 Feb 2019, 19:30
dinizintheoven wrote:
Frank Williams wrote:I'd like to announce my team's title sponsorship with Saudia and Albilad. Because it's 1978 and my legs still work, I'm going to do a merry dance to celebrate. And I'll do it again in a year and a half or so when we've designed a ground-effect car and it wins, because the hardline Wahhabist regime has demanded that we are not allowed to have champagne on the podium, we have capitulated to their demands and there'll be no other way of celebrating. Alan... ALAN! I can see you cracking open a cheeky tinnie in the back of the garage. Stop that. Can't annoy the new sponsors, can we?

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:lol: :D Early post-of-the-year contender here.

I generally like Toro Rosso's deep blue livery, no problems there. While I find Williams' new paint job to be okay, I'll wait until the car appears on track, in natural light, before having a proper verdict on it.

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by UncreativeUsername37 12 Feb 2019, 02:29
RaceFans wrote:“We spent quite a lot of time on this livery,” explained Williams deputy team principal Claire Williams.

really because it looks like you spent two minutes in photoshop, most of which was spent fumbling through the menus

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by mario 12 Feb 2019, 07:52
novitopoli wrote:What's this fad about unknown startups becoming Formula 1 title sponsors? First Rich Energy, now these guys...

In other news, McLaren have found someone willing to pump a tiny bit of cash into their accounts...

Well, there are those who want a return to how the sport was in the 1990s, and they're getting it in some senses - just in the sense that the sport is now going back to attracting tobacco sponsors and dodgy characters from all walks of life, not to mention pay drivers buying out teams.

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by Pacific 777 12 Feb 2019, 11:04
UncreativeUsername37 wrote:really because it looks like you spent two minutes in photoshop, most of which was spent fumbling through the menus


Speaking of photoshop, Would it be a good idea if an F1 team actually held a competition to the public to design a livery? I've seen some good fan art on sites like Deviantart, and to be honest, these days, unless there is a major sponsorship change, we keep seeing the same stuff over and over again, like they have the same people who keep coming up with the same ideas. Your thoughts?

EDIT: Renault have unveiled the R.S. 19
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... oi2r5.html
by mario 12 Feb 2019, 19:07
Pacific 777 wrote:
UncreativeUsername37 wrote:really because it looks like you spent two minutes in photoshop, most of which was spent fumbling through the menus


Speaking of photoshop, Would it be a good idea if an F1 team actually held a competition to the public to design a livery? I've seen some good fan art on sites like Deviantart, and to be honest, these days, unless there is a major sponsorship change, we keep seeing the same stuff over and over again, like they have the same people who keep coming up with the same ideas. Your thoughts?

EDIT: Renault have unveiled the R.S. 19
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... oi2r5.html

The thing is, I do wonder how many of those amateur designers have designed those various liveries around a static frame of reference. It is one thing to see how that livery looks in a rendering engine when the model is fixed in position with optimal lighting conditions and, quite often, against a plain background as well - but how well would those liveries work when the car is not in that perfect environment?

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by dinizintheoven 12 Feb 2019, 21:02
I knew I'd seen the Williams livery before.

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by CaptainGetz12 12 Feb 2019, 22:31
If Williams is going back to rejectful British F1 throwbacks, there is only one baby blue livery you can do:

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by Waris 13 Feb 2019, 00:13
dinizintheoven wrote:I knew I'd seen the Williams livery before.

Reject-tastic!


Oh dear, that's not a good omen then, because that was BRM's last ever livery...

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by Pacific 777 13 Feb 2019, 12:32
Merc have pulled the sheet of their latest:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... x6Koi.html

I have to say, these new regulations are making for some seriously good looking cars, hope they make for equally good racing.

Racing Point's turn

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... MkB4q.html

The ugliest physical design so far, but yeah, how it goes is more important.
by Wallio 13 Feb 2019, 21:18
Racing Point brings back the phallic nose. And with the pink livery it looks quite vibrator-ish.......

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by UncreativeUsername37 14 Feb 2019, 04:46
I love the Mercedes livery. It's nice to finally be able to say that. So now they're going to suck, I guess.

The Force India, er, Racing Point livery isn't bad. The trouble is that it looks like it's going for a shiny explosion of awesome like Toro Rosso have managed and it's just... decent. I can certainly live with it.

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by Wallio 14 Feb 2019, 20:07
Just what in the hell is Alfa doing with that front wing? Outwash? Or some other bizarre loophole?

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