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So I didn't realise that Max Verstappen was born in Belgium, to a Belgian mother, and grew up in Belgium, but races under a Dutch licence. One could argue the wait for the first Dutch winner goes on...
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watka wrote:So I didn't realise that Max Verstappen was born in Belgium, to a Belgian mother, and grew up in Belgium, but races under a Dutch licence. One could argue the wait for the first Dutch winner goes on...

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Isn't Flanders just a hick version of the Netherlands anyway?

...that the Dutchies can not officially seize control of, because such an action would make Ferdinand Zvonimir very angry. Or so I have understood.
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Slightly off-F1 Pondering,
So with Toyota's LMP1 competition wiping themselves off the face of the earth, Does this mean that the curse will be broken?
Considering Toyota's luck they'll most likely run out of fuel about 1" from the finish, losing to some LMP2 team, or just outright crash, one of the two. But, if they do win, possibilities are endless....
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As we all now, former F1 driver Jyrki Järvilehto used pseudonym JJ Lehto in order to fit in with international crowd. So, what would other drivers' names look like when transformed in a similar way?

This is a list of many (but not all, probably) F1 drivers with names suitable for lehtomogrification:

GM Aron, TW Away, LL Bardi, FA Bashian, FB Bazza, PT Bay, CF Berg, KR Berg, NH Berg, NR Berg, RR Berger, JH Bert, GC Bianca, OG Bien, EB Billa, VB Billa, JH Bise, JL Bonnet, RD Bos, JPJ Bouille, BC Bourg, PW Bury, GM Cane, GA Cassis, PÉ Celin, MA Cella, HB Chard, GF Chella, RB Chello, AS Cliffe, JC Cotto, SB Dais, MB Dell, PA Dell, TN Dell, GM Delli, HB Der, CB Detti, JMB Deu, AG Dini, LB Dini, SV Doorne, RS Dori, PA Down, BB Durant, TB Dyk, BH Eier, NE Fano, NH Feld, DS Fini, LS Fiotti, BH Ford, JC Ford, RC Ford, JD Fries, DM Gan, KC Gan, ZB Gartner, HR Gatter, TB Ger, MT Gnant, AB Gnaut, SB Gudd, CM Guy, CG Hals, DB Ham, DC Ham, GB Ham, JB Ham, NT Hara, DC Hard, RF Hart, KT Hashi, TB Hausen, GW Head, PW Head, JD Hem, GB Hetti, JW Hock, MW Hock, BW House, MD Hue, RW Ink, KN Jima, SN Jima, TS Ken, BM Key, NK Keyan, GH King, PH Kins, JC Lain, HK Lainen, BH Land, DF Land, II Land, PE Land, JV Lanthen, LW Lard, GS Latti, JJ Lehto, PW Lein, RP Letti, KW Linger, UM Lioli, JCB Lion, BC Lomb, EC Lotti, LR Low, DR Mabb, MS Macher, RS Macher, RS Maker, BR Man, JN Man, ST Man, TR Man, BN Mann, CR Mann, HH Mann, IH Mann, JR Mann, LT Mazzo, HN Mayr, RS Melen, BG Melli, EC Meri, DH Milton, LH Milton, MG Min, AM Mini, MB Molen, OM Món, PB Mondo, DD More, GA More, SY Moto, PM Nado, KK Nagh, GG Nard, AG Nazzi, RP Nell, RB Nello, GV Neuve, JV Neuve, HK Nigg, RB Num, KM Nussen, GF Tek, OS Pacher, CF Paldi, EF Paldi, WF Paldi, IC Pelli, EN Petti, PHR Phanel, JD Ponte, GT Quini, GS Rabba, PC Rage, DS Rella, NV Rella, LV Resi, MA Reto, TH Rich, TG Ried, PB Rilla, HP Rolo, CS Rough, PT Ruffi, PF Sacher, RW Sell, DH Shire, GC Sley, PG Smith, BT Stad, BE Stone, BJ Stone, JA Suari, PG Zani, TF Zau, SS Zin, CR Zoni, GP Tano, JV Tappen, MV Tappen, JS Tees, TM Teiro, GB Telli, TS Tember, OV Terio, JF Terman, PG Thin, MH Thorn, GC Tine, JPB Toise, DC Ton, DT Ton, KW Ton, MC Ton, JP Torius, CB Tow, JDD Traz, BC Trell, JD Walt, DS Van, SM Vani, IS Wart, JS Wart, MT Well, PM Verdi, DW Wick, EI Vine, MK Witzky, JC Wood, MH Wood, RA Wood, UK Yama, KK Yashi, BvR Yen.
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Not that it's particularly limited to motorsport. "And our on-field umpires are Steve Bucknor and Srinivasaraghavan Venkataraghavan... eh, we'll just call him Venkat."

There are a few Thai drivers in the lower formulae and in Japanese series that have that many syllables as well.
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And let's not forget a certain Birabongse Bhanudej Bhanubandh, who saved a lot of headaches from European race organisers (try fitting that name on entry lists of the era!) by just calling himself Prince Bira or B. Bira.
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Quick question, was Michael Schumacher the only driver to be disqualified from a GP due to excessive wear on the plank? (at Spa 1994)

I have a feeling there was someone else, but can't remember.
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ibsey wrote:Quick question, was Michael Schumacher the only driver to be disqualified from a GP due to excessive wear on the plank? (at Spa 1994)

I have a feeling there was someone else, but can't remember.

I'm thinking David Coulthard at Interlagos in 2000. May be wrong.
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Thanks :)

This is what Wiki says about Brazil 2000;

After the race, word came from the scrutineering bay that all of the top six cars except for Fisichella were disqualified because they had problems with their wooden floors. The teams appealed but while the FIA was scrutineering the cars again, they found out that the front wing endplates on Coulthard's car were 7mm lower than they should have been. Thus, the position of everyone except for Coulthard was reinstated and in doing so promoted Jenson Button to sixth earning the young Brit his first World Championship point.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Braz ... #Post-race

IIRC the bumps along the pit straight in that race were horrendous and I recall during quali regularly seeing yellow / orangery dust coming out the back of some cars (BAR's spring to mind), which indicated bottoming. I think there were some marks over the bumps where the planks had scrapped the ground. Perhaps that was the reason why those six cars were reinstated?
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Olivier Panis was DSQed after Portugal '94 for illegal skidblock wear (source: STATSF1).
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good_Ralf wrote:Olivier Panis was DSQed after Portugal '94 for illegal skidblock wear (source: STATSF1).


I never knew that before so thanks. :)

What makes that especially interesting is it was the second time Panis felt foul of this rule in four races. In Hungary 1994 Panis’ Ligier had not only jumped the start, but also finished the race with a plank worn by more than 10%. According to Max Mosley; “(Panis) had been off the road and had gone over several kerbs. It was quite clear that it (Panis’ plank) had sustained accidental damage”. Therefore the Ligier driver was allowed to keep his 6th position in Hungary. However I could not find any evidence of Panis’ off track excursion during the race either in Autosport, Motorsport Magazine or F1 News, or on you tube.
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...is GP Rejects the only place on the internet where most of the userbase is capable of spelling the word 'canon'?
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Simtek wrote:...is GP Rejects the only place on the internet where most of the userbase is capable of spelling the word 'canon'?

Possibly also some extreme Doctor Who fan communities?
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Aislabie wrote:
Simtek wrote:...is GP Rejects the only place on the internet where most of the userbase is capable of spelling the word 'canon'?

Possibly also some extreme Doctor Who fan communities?

Probably some Photography forums too, I would assume
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Aislabie wrote:
Simtek wrote:...is GP Rejects the only place on the internet where most of the userbase is capable of spelling the word 'canon'?

Possibly also some extreme Doctor Who fan communities?

Probably some Photography forums too, I would assume


And on the Johann Pachelbel forum too...

...although I heard it was going under since the web host went baroque.
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This is a question that was very likely asked back in early 2009, but in a race which finishes early, cauing half points to be awarded, does a reject driver who finishes fourth become unrejectified, or do they count as having earned 1.5 points under the reject system as well?
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Rob Dylan wrote:This is a question that was very likely asked back in early 2009, but in a race which finishes early, causing half points to be awarded, does a reject driver who finishes fourth become unrejectified, or do they count as having earned 1.5 points under the reject system as well?

It's based on race positions rather than points scored, so that there can be consistency across the various points systems that have been in use since 1950.
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Excellent, just checking :D
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So I've been thinking about points systems a lot recently (well, not a lot, but compared to how much attention that sort of thing usually gets), so it's time for a good old fantasising F1 points system forum post. Maybe I'll even ruin Christmas by sparking a points system argument!

The system I've really been liking is 24-18-14-10-8-6-4-3-2-1. It's beautiful according to me for the following reasons (which overlap each other, but never mind):
  • Each position is worth about the same fraction of points as the one above it, so no one is playing a different game to anyone else based on where they are in the field, at least compared to the real system
  • It doesn't overreward frontrunners for failing to get on the podium, but not retiring is still important
  • It's similar the current system; 10 people still get points, and the ratios aren't that different
  • 1st, 3rd, and 3rd isn't worth more points than three 2nds; I've always found doing that kind of weird (equal is fine, although this system doesn't do that either)
  • The system "jumps", that is to say gives out more points for each position you gain, at 1st, 3rd, 6th, and 10th. Besides being successive triangular numbers, these all have cultural significance in F1 (though 10th is quite recent).
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I really like that points system by UgncreativeUsergname
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I've always thought that the top 10 getting points was, for me, always a bit too much, especially nowadays with essentially half the field in contention for points, not including any retirements. Granted, reliability has come quite a way, but still, I think that there should be lesser point scorers regardless of reliability, make points feel like something of a greater achievement like in the past, ya know?

I was always a fan of the 2003-2009 system, 8 points scorers was perfect for me. Not too many, yet not too little. Just that I found that the margin for winning was criminally undervalued as compared to other podium finishes. I feel that was too much of a knee-jerk reaction to Schumi's ultra-amazing '02 season.

As a result, I've always thought that the best points system would be something like a 15-12-9-7-5-3-2-1. Gives the winner the added points bonus, and a greater incentive for drivers to go for top 6 positions. Additionally, its a much fairer comparison to history than the "25-18-15" points is, not being a great difference from the old "9-10 points for a win" thing.

I've also been in favour of extra points for added stuff, like a point for pole and fastest lap. However, as we've seen in Formula E, this can just lead to random drivers just sticking in the race for the pity point for fastest lap. They've remedied this by only giving the FLAP point to actual point scorers, which is a good system that I have to admit, works a treat. However, there should be one more condition: An extra point (maybe two) for most laps led. Admittedly, it might be useless in modern-day Formula One, but for those drivers that have been running up front for the majority of the race, only to be screwed over by a late-race cock-up or mechanical issues, it's a well deserved point for them.

Though, if we really were to go for 10 points scorers, UgncreativeUsergname's points look quite alright as well.
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Just use this: 12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1, giving one point for Pole Position, another one for fastest lap, and (this might be controversial) another one for being named Driver of The Day
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8 scorers for me would be 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1... so identical to the system I just said until 8th. I don't like points for anything that isn't race results; if you want to reward raw pace, the return of a "best x races" rule is the solution. It would've made Rosberg have to try in the last chapter of 2016, for example.

15-12-9-7-5-3-2-1 doesn't immediately strike me as horrible, just a bit weird, although I'd want second to be 11. 15-12-9 is the same as 10-8-6, you know, and that's what you wanted to fix.... And 12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 gives too much for basically every position in F1 terms. It's like a bad version of the CART top 12.
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AdrianBelmonte_ wrote:Just use this: 12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1, giving one point for Pole Position, another one for fastest lap, and (this might be controversial) another one for being named Driver of The Day

I can imagine Max getting a title thanks to those. :pantano:
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Regenmeister94 wrote:
AdrianBelmonte_ wrote:Just use this: 12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1, giving one point for Pole Position, another one for fastest lap, and (this might be controversial) another one for being named Driver of The Day

I can imagine Max getting a title thanks to those. :pantano:

If Kubica were to make a return, he'd probably be able to give him a run for his money in that respect.
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UgncreativeUsergname wrote:. I don't like points for anything that isn't race results;

Me too; it's a race to the finish. Finishers are all that count. No points for anything else! That's my view.
It's not a beauty pageant; no points for style, fastest laps, fastest sectors, colour coordination, pole position, Q1 times, Friday afternoon performance or anything like that.
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I think that the solution is to split the races up into three distinct sub-sections, and offer points at the end of each one.

For example, we know Monaco has 78 laps. So after 20 laps or so, a small smattering of points are offered to the top five, followed by a brief VSC period in which people can elect to pit or stay out with track position - it might vary depending on the circuit. After another 20 laps, you offer points to the new top five, and then offer points at the end of the full 78 laps.

We'll call it a Stage format...as you can tell this is a completely original idea and has been attempted by no other racing series.
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Ataxia wrote:I think that the solution is to split the races up into three distinct sub-sections, and offer points at the end of each one.

For example, we know Monaco has 78 laps. So after 20 laps or so, a small smattering of points are offered to the top five, followed by a brief VSC period in which people can elect to pit or stay out with track position - it might vary depending on the circuit. After another 20 laps, you offer points to the new top five, and then offer points at the end of the full 78 laps.

We'll call it a Stage format...as you can tell this is a completely original idea and has been attempted by no other racing series.


This sounds like it will be a dreadful idea that will ruin the sport until it is actually implemented and winds up making it much better.
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Yes, more artificial arbitrary rules. This isn't some kind of contest, a sport you might say, to find the best driver and/or racing car design company in the world, it's a form of entertainment. And before you ask, yes, I have watched a single minute of stage racing....
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mario wrote:
Regenmeister94 wrote:
AdrianBelmonte_ wrote:Just use this: 12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1, giving one point for Pole Position, another one for fastest lap, and (this might be controversial) another one for being named Driver of The Day

I can imagine Max getting a title thanks to those. :pantano:

If Kubica were to make a return, he'd probably be able to give him a run for his money in that respect.

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UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Yes, more artificial arbitrary rules. This isn't some kind of contest, a sport you might say, to find the best driver and/or racing car design company in the world, it's a form of entertainment. And before you ask, yes, I have watched a single minute of stage racing....

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Spectoremg wrote:I was going to post my own points system but then I got a life.

Because Life did not get anywhere near bothering a points system!
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Spectoremg wrote:I was going to post my own points system but then I got a life.


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dr-baker wrote:
Spectoremg wrote:I was going to post my own points system but then I got a life.

Because Life did not get anywhere near bothering a points system!
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Ataxia wrote:I think that the solution is to split the races up into three distinct sub-sections, and offer points at the end of each one.

For example, we know Monaco has 78 laps. So after 20 laps or so, a small smattering of points are offered to the top five, followed by a brief VSC period in which people can elect to pit or stay out with track position - it might vary depending on the circuit. After another 20 laps, you offer points to the new top five, and then offer points at the end of the full 78 laps.

We'll call it a Stage format...as you can tell this is a completely original idea and has been attempted by no other racing series.


So a basically like a track cycling sprint race. They are a lot of fun.
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Izzyeviel wrote:
Ataxia wrote:I think that the solution is to split the races up into three distinct sub-sections, and offer points at the end of each one.

For example, we know Monaco has 78 laps. So after 20 laps or so, a small smattering of points are offered to the top five, followed by a brief VSC period in which people can elect to pit or stay out with track position - it might vary depending on the circuit. After another 20 laps, you offer points to the new top five, and then offer points at the end of the full 78 laps.

We'll call it a Stage format...as you can tell this is a completely original idea and has been attempted by no other racing series.


So a basically like a track cycling sprint race. They are a lot of fun.


Especially if you're Martin Truex Jr.
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I'm in the mood to have a prediction about 2018, if you want to move this post, do it.

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7. Williams
8. Toro Rosso
9. Sauber
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Re: Ponderbox

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Is Allan McNish, the only test driver to have worked in both the same team as Senna (Mclaren in 1990) and Schumacher (Benetton in 1993)?

I'll be honest I'm a bit too tired to check myself.
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Re: Ponderbox

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We might be losing the Sauber name soon... shame as we've already lost names like Brabham, Lotus, Tyrrell, Ligier, Arrows, Jordan and Minardi :(

Edit: Fixed :D
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