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Another interesting Marcus Ericsson fact I saw:

As far as I'm aware, everyone who has had Ericsson as a teammate, has never had another teammate after that. In other words, drivers who are partnered with Marcus are doomed to be kicked out the sport afterward.

- Kamui Kobayashi and Andre Lotterer both ended their careers in 2014.
- Felipe Nasr lost his seat after partnering Marcus in 2015 and 2016 and hasn't been seen since.
- Antonio Giovinazzi and Pascal Wehrlein both look to be on the sidelines after 2017, hoping that any kind of reserve drive role comes up.
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There's only one problem: Kobayashi had Will Stevens as his teammate in Abu Dhabi.

You know, Will Stevens. He overtook Alonso on the back straight!

At least, I think it was Alonso...
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And you are in fact correct! I forgot Marcus didn't race in Abu Dhabi that year. Stat withdrawn.
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Concerning Ericsson, he is only 5 races away to be the reject with most starts. This honour now belong to Vitantonio Liuzzi, with 80 races.
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Aguvazk wrote:Concerning Ericsson, he is only 5 races away to be the reject with most starts. This honour now belong to Vitantonio Liuzzi, with 80 races.

Do we have a league table somewhere for that?
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Rob Dylan wrote:
Aguvazk wrote:Concerning Ericsson, he is only 5 races away to be the reject with most starts. This honour now belong to Vitantonio Liuzzi, with 80 races.

Do we have a league table somewhere for that?

No, but this can be fairly easily found through Stats F1 and Wikipedia if you know off-hand who is and isn't a reject. However, while Liuzzi is the reject with the most starts, he is nowhere near the record for most entries by a reject, which is held by the one and only Piercarlo Ghinzani with 111 (76 starts).

The full top ten (assuming Wikipedia isn't being weird in the way it's counting):

1. Piercarlo Ghinzani - 111
2. Vitantonio Liuzzi - 81
3. Gabriele Tarquini - 79
4. Marcus Ericsson - 76
5. Olivier Grouillard - 62
6. Esteban Gutiérrez - 59
7. Luca Badoer - 58
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9. Manfred Winkelhock - 56
10. Sébastien Buemi - 55
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So Kimi Räikkönen will be the oldest driver on the grid yet again. As far as I'm aware, he has been the oldest on the grid since the 2014 season began. Does he hold the record for being the oldest driver on the grid for the longest amount of time? What is the record and who holds it?
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Rob Dylan wrote:So Kimi Räikkönen will be the oldest driver on the grid yet again. As far as I'm aware, he has been the oldest on the grid since the 2014 season began. Does he hold the record for being the oldest driver on the grid for the longest amount of time? What is the record and who holds it?

I actually worked this out a couple of years ago! Räikkönen has been the oldest driver on the grid for 79 races. The only driver with more races as the eldest statesman is Michael Schumacher, for 95 races from 2005 onwards. For the longest amount of time, though, this goes back to the 1960s. Jack Brabham was the oldest for a total of 59 races between 1961 and 1970, while Graham Hill was so for 54 races between 1965 and 1975.
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Rob Dylan wrote:So Kimi Räikkönen will be the oldest driver on the grid yet again. As far as I'm aware, he has been the oldest on the grid since the 2014 season began. Does he hold the record for being the oldest driver on the grid for the longest amount of time? What is the record and who holds it?

I actually worked this out a couple of years ago! Räikkönen has been the oldest driver on the grid for 79 races. The only driver with more races as the eldest statesman is Michael Schumacher, for 95 races from 2005 onwards. For the longest amount of time, though, this goes back to the 1960s. Jack Brabham was the oldest for a total of 59 races between 1961 and 1970, while Graham Hill was so for 54 races between 1965 and 1975.

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Aislabie wrote:
tommykl wrote:
Rob Dylan wrote:So Kimi Räikkönen will be the oldest driver on the grid yet again. As far as I'm aware, he has been the oldest on the grid since the 2014 season began. Does he hold the record for being the oldest driver on the grid for the longest amount of time? What is the record and who holds it?

I actually worked this out a couple of years ago! Räikkönen has been the oldest driver on the grid for 79 races. The only driver with more races as the eldest statesman is Michael Schumacher, for 95 races from 2005 onwards. For the longest amount of time, though, this goes back to the 1960s. Jack Brabham was the oldest for a total of 59 races between 1961 and 1970, while Graham Hill was so for 54 races between 1965 and 1975.

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Statistics for the FIA Formula One World Championship:

Number of wins (drivers)

1. Michael Schumacher - 91
2. Lewis Hamilton - 62
3. Alain Prost - 51
4. Sebastian Vettel - 47
5. Ayrton Senna - 41
6. Fernando Alonso - 32
7. Nigel Mansell - 31
8. Nico Rosberg - 23
9. Damon Hill - 22
10. Nelson Piquet - 20
=. Mika Hakkinen - 20
=. Kimi Raikkonen - 20
13. Jenson Button - 15
14. David Coulthard - 13
15. Jacques Villeneuve - 11
=. Felipe Massa - 11
=. Rubens Barrichello - 11
18. Gerhard Berger - 10
19. Mark Webber - 9
20. Niki Lauda - 8
21. Juan Pablo Montoya - 7
22. Riccardo Patrese - 6
=. Ralf Schumacher - 6
24. René Arnoux - 5
=. Michele Alboreto - 5
=. Keke Rosberg - 5
=. Daniel Ricciardo - 5
28. John Watson - 4
=. Eddie Irvine - 4
30. Thierry Boutsen - 3
=. Heinz-Harald Frentzen - 3
=. Johnny Herbert - 3
=. Giancarlo Fisichella - 3
=. Max Verstappen - 3
=. Valtteri Bottas - 3
36. Carlos Reutemann - 2
=. Gilles Villeneuve - 2
=. Jacques Laffite - 2
=. Alan Jones - 2
=. Didier Pironi - 2
=. Patrick Tambay - 2
=. Elio de Angelis - 2
43. Alessandro Nannini - 1
=. Jean Alesi - 1
=. Olivier Panis - 1
=. Jarno Trulli - 1
=. Robert Kubica - 1
=. Heikki Kovalainen - 1
=. Pastor Maldonado - 1

Number of wins (constructors)

1. McLaren - 158
2. Ferrari - 150
3. Williams - 103
4. Mercedes - 67
5. Red Bull - 55
6. Renault - 31
7. Benetton - 27
8. Brabham - 12
9. Lotus - 10
10. Brawn - 8
11. Jordan - 4
12. Ligier - 3
13. Tyrrell - 2
14. Stewart - 1
=. Honda - 1
=. Sauber - 1
=. Toro Rosso - 1
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Simtek wrote:Statistics for the FIA Formula One World Championship:

*snip*


Mate, this is supposed to be "Unusual F1 Stats", not regular, plain F1 stats...

...oh...

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That's nice Simtek. Can you also do them for the other one, I believe it was called the World Championship for Drivers? And the International Cup for F1 Manufacturers?
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Because it's a lot more drivers, and a significant number of those only won once or twice, I'll only do the top 30. So, here is the all-time wins total for the FIA (and before 1978, CSI) World Championship of Drivers, which was declared defunct by Jean-Marie Balestre as of December 31, 1980:

1. Jackie Stewart - 27
2. Jim Clark - 25
3. Juan Manuel Fangio - 24
4. Niki Lauda - 17
5. Stirling Moss - 16
6. Graham Hill - 14
=. Jack Brabham - 14
=. Emerson Fittipaldi - 14
9. Alberto Ascari - 13
10. Mario Andretti - 12
11. James Hunt - 10
=. Ronnie Peterson - 10
=. Jody Scheckter - 10
=. Carlos Reutemann - 10
=. Alan Jones - 10
16. Jacky Ickx - 8
=. Denny Hulme - 8
18. Tony Brooks - 6
=. John Surtees - 6
=. Jochen Rindt - 6
21. Giuseppe Farina - 5
=. Clay Regazzoni - 5
23. Dan Gurney - 4
=. Bruce McLaren - 4
=. Gilles Villeneuve - 4
=. Jacques Laffite - 4
27. Mike Hawthorn - 3
=. Peter Collins - 3
=. Phil Hill - 3
=. Nelson Piquet - 3

Of the remaining drivers, the ones that continued to win past 1980 were René Arnoux (2 wins), John Watson and Didier Pironi (1 win each)

For the International Cup for F1 Constructors:

1. Lotus - 71
2. Ferrari - 54
3. McLaren - 24
4. Brabham - 23
5. Tyrrell - 21
6. BRM - 17
7. Cooper - 16
8. Williams - 11
9. Matra - 9
10. Vanwall - 6
=. Ligier - 6
12. Renault - 4
13. March - 3
=. Wolf - 3
15. Honda - 2
16. Porsche - 1
=. Hesketh - 1
=. Penske - 1
=. Shadow - 1
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The classification for the Spanish Grand Prix looked slightly odd in the numbers column, because all three drivers had repeated digits:
1. 44 Lewis Hamilton
2. 77 Valtteri Bottas
3. 33 Max Verstappen

I was wondering when the last time was that this happened, if any - because, since the new numbering system was brought in for the 2014 season, 66 is the only repeated-digit number not yet used. Sergio Pérez (11) and Jenson Button (22) have both been on the podium in that time - but Carlos Sainz (55) hasn't made it yet, Adrian Sutil (99) was never going to in that recalcitrant Sauber and Rio Haryanto (88) had even less chance in a Manor. So what you see above is the only time this has happened in the 2014-18 numbering era, even though it has been possible in earlier seasons when Bottas drove a competitive Williams and Pérez had a Force India that was capable of threatening the top three.

Between 1996 and 2013 with the numbers based on the previous season's championship positions, there was only ever 11 and 22, and some seasons were missing 22 if there weren't enough teams, so all those years can be ruled out.

Before this, in the previous permanent-for-the-season numbering system from 1974-95, only these years had three or more drivers with repeated-digit numbers:
1992: 11 (Mika Häkkinen, Lotus), 22 (Pierluigi Martini, Dallara), 33 (Maurício Gugelmin, Jordan)
1991: 11 (Mika Häkkinen, Lotus), 22 (JJ Lehto, Dallara), 33 (Andrea de Cesaris, Jordan)
1990: 11 (Derek Warwick, Lotus), 22 (Andrea de Cesaris, Dallara), 33 (Roberto Moreno, EuroBrun, R1-14)
1989: 11 (Nelson Piquet, Lotus), 22 (Andrea de Cesaris, Dallara), 33 (Gregor Foitek / Oscar Larrauri, EuroBrun)
1988: 11 (Alain Prost, McLaren), 22 (Andrea de Cesaris, Rial), 33 (Stefano Modena, EuroBrun)
1985: 11 (Elio de Angelis, Lotus), 22 (Riccardo Patrese, Alfa Romeo), 33 (Alan Jones, Haas-Lola, R12/14-16)
1984: 11 (Elio de Angelis, Lotus), 22 (Riccardo Patrese, Alfa Romeo), 33 (Phillippe Streiff, Renault, R16)
1983: 11 (Elio de Angelis, Lotus), 22 (Andrea de Cesaris, Alfa Romeo), 33 (Roberto Guerrero, Theodore, R1-14)
1982: 11 (Elio de Angelis, Lotus, R1-3&5-16), 22 (Andrea de Cesaris, Alfa Romeo), 33 (four drivers, Theodore, R1-3&5-16)
1981: 11 (Elio de Angelis, Lotus, R1-3&5-15), 22 (Mario Andretti, Alfa Romeo), 33 (Patrick Tambay / Marc Surer, Theodore)
1979: 11 (Jody Scheckter, Ferrari), 22 (three drivers, Ensign), 33 (Derek Daly, Tyrrell, R14-15)
1978: 11 (Carlos Reutemann, Ferrari), 22 (five drivers, Ensign), 33 (Bruno Giacomelli, McLaren, R6/9-10/13-14), 55 (Jean-Pierre Jarier, Lotus, R15-16), 66 (Nelson Piquet, Brabham, R16)
1977: 11 (Niki Lauda / Gilles Villeneuve, R1-15/17), 22 (Clay Regazzoni / Jacky Ickx, Ensign), 33 (Boy Hayje / Andy Sutcliffe, RAM-March, R3/5-8/10/13), 44 (Tony Trimmer, Melchester-Surtees, R10)
1976: 11 (James Hunt, McLaren), 22 (four drivers, Ensign, R2-15), 33 (five drivers, RAM-Brabham, R4-5/7-9/11), 77 (Rolf Stommelen, Brabham, R10)
1975: 11 (Clay Regazzoni, Ferrari), 22 (five drivers, Embassy-Hill, R1-13), 33 (Eddie Keizan, Team Gunston Lotus, R3 & Roelof Wunderink, Ensign, R12)
1974: 11 (Clay Regazzoni, Ferrari), 22 (three drivers, Ensign, R1/5-15), 33 (three drivers, McLaren), 44 (Leo Kinnunen, AAW-Surtees, R5), 55 (Mario Andretti, Parnelli, R14-15)
And here's how we rule all of them out.
Ensign, Haas-Lola, Theodore and EuroBrun never took a driver to the podium, which gets rid of any season where there are only three repeated-digit numbers where these teams competed. Mika Häkkinen didn't get on the podium until 1993, which gets rid of the rest of the 1990s. Only the last race of 1984 had three repeated digits and none of the drivers were on the podium. And in the remaining years in the 1970s, only Mike Hailwood ever stood on the podium - once - in a repeated-digit car other than 11.

This just leaves the anything-goes-numbers-wise years from 1950-73 to check all the races, one by one, to see if there were any occurrences like the one we've just had... and all I needed was a cursory look at the winner in most cases to find that... yes, the 2018 Spanish Grand Prix [i]is/[i] unique in this respect.

But I did find also out that Emerson Fittipaldi won the 1972 Austrian Grand Prix with the now-famous reject number 31.
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1962 was the first time Belgian GP allowed odd-numbered entries.

1968 was the first time Italian GP allowed odd-numbered entries but they promptly went back to even-only numbers the next two seasons.

The otherwise unheralded 1973 Argentine GP is the last F1 race where only even-numbered entries appeared in F1. It was also BRM's last F1 pole position (by Clay Regazzoni).
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When Ivan Capelli’s F1 career ended in March/April 1993, he hadn’t actually competed in a Japanese or Australian GP since November 1990.
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So Daniel Ricciardo's seventh win is his first from better than fourth on the grid, as all of his previous wins have been from starting between fourth and tenth on the grid. Are there any drivers out there with more than, say, two wins who never won from near the front of the grid? For example, only winning from lower than third or fourth on the grid?
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Johnny Herbert's three wins were from fifth on the grid or lower.

Keke Rosberg's final win was from third position, all others were from fifth or lower.

John Watson's first win from second place, all others 7th or lower.

Denny Hulme had one win from 2nd on the grid, the remaining seven from fourth or lower.
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Wow, thinking about it, Herbert certainly was a lucky fellow. You can't argue that he didn't take advantage of his opportunities, though. When you compare that he got three wins whilst Alesi only got one says a lot about their careers, I think.
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Rob Dylan wrote:Wow, thinking about it, Herbert certainly was a lucky fellow. You can't argue that he didn't take advantage of his opportunities, though. When you compare that he got three wins whilst Alesi only got one says a lot about their careers, I think.


While we've agreed he was inconsistent in another thread and did cost himself a lot of great results, I'd argue Jean lost at least three wins through no fault of his own (Belgium 1991, Italy 1995 and Monaco 1996, for example) and I don't think Herbert ever dropped out of P1 in a race. I consider both men to have been pretty unlucky in general though.

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Rob Dylan wrote:Wow, thinking about it, Herbert certainly was a lucky fellow. You can't argue that he didn't take advantage of his opportunities, though. When you compare that he got three wins whilst Alesi only got one says a lot about their careers, I think.


While we've agreed he was inconsistent in another thread and did cost himself a lot of great results, I'd argue Jean lost at least three wins through no fault of his own (Belgium 1991, Italy 1995 and Monaco 1996, for example) and I don't think Herbert ever dropped out of P1 in a race. I consider both men to have been pretty unlucky in general though.

I've noticed giraurd's avatar (half of it so far) is working its magic again. And Lewis is close to breaking the record for the most consecutive finishes...


Herbert's first 2 wins both happened following Hill/Schumacher crashes.... given Schumacher was driving a Benetton you could argue he was instructed to crash to help his team mate.... lol :lol:
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WeirdKerr wrote:Herbert's first 2 wins both happened following Hill/Schumacher crashes.... given Schumacher was driving a Benetton you could argue he was instructed to crash to help his team mate.... lol :lol:
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So how many times in F1 history has the chequered flag been waved on the wrong lap?
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At least three times too early: Britain 1985, China 2014 and Canada 2018.

Too late in one Monza race in 1980s and Brazil 2002.

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Before anyone asks, the last time there were more than two Le Mans winners on an F1 grid was the 1995 Australian Grand Prix (Herbert, Blundell, Gachot and Brundle).
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Out of interest, when was the last time there were more than two Le Mans winners on the F1 grid?
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Relevant question: What's the highest number of Le Mans winners on a F1 grid?
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CarloSpace wrote:Relevant question: What's the highest number of Le Mans winners on a F1 grid?

Well, by my reckoning it will have to have been in the early 1970s- 1972 makes a case for itself, with the following drivers all having won Le Mans at some point in their careers either before or after competing in F1 that year
    Chris Amon
    Derek Bell
    Graham Hill
    Jacky Ickx
    Helmut Marko
    Jackie Oliver
    Henri Pescarolo
It's possible 1971/73 could be even better, but this stat took so long to make I can't be bothered to check
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Ignoring future winners (Bell had not yet won Le Mans in 1972), I've not come up with any races where the figure exceeeded six. There have been years where there were seven across the whole season, but in those cases (1968 and 1970), one of the winners died early in the year. In 1968 Bianchi and Rodríguez didn't win it until after Scarfiotti's death, and Gurney only drove for McLaren after Bruce's death in 1970.

The first occurrence of six Le Mans winners practising for (but not starting) the same Grand Prix is the 1966 Italian Grand Prix, where we have:

Chris Amon (controversial 1966 winner, private Brabham-BRM)
Lorenzo Bandini (1963, Ferrari)
Phil Hill (1958, 1961-62, Eagle-Climax)
Bruce McLaren (the other controversial 1966 winner, McLaren)
Jochen Rindt (1965, Cooper)
Ludovico Scarfiotti (other 1963 winner, Ferrari)

Amon's car was running a Tasman-spec 2-litre BRM V8, while Hill was stuck with Gurney's old Coventry Climax unit, so it's little surprise that they didn't make the grid.

After Rodríguez and Bianchi took the GT40's third win together in 1968, we had this for the remainder of the season:

Chris Amon (Ferrari)
Lucien Bianchi (Cooper)
Dan Gurney (AAR)
Bruce McLaren (McLaren)
Pedro Rodríguez (BRM)
Jochen Rindt (Brabham)

Bianchi was then killed in a private test at Le Mans in 1969, while Gurney decided to pack it in altogether, so we were down to four until "the two Jackies" took the GT40's final win. The only 1969 race to feature six winners was the British Grand Prix (just over a third of the field!) due to Amon's subsequent departure from Ferrari, but he would be back for the 1970 season. So we have:

Chris Amon (Ferrari, then March)
Jacky Ickx (Brabham, then Ferrari)
Bruce McLaren (McLaren)
Jackie Oliver (BRM)
Pedro Rodríguez (Ferrari, then BRM)
Jochen Rindt (Lotus)

As I mentioned before, Gurney briefly drove for McLaren as well for a few races in 1970, so you can replace Bruce's name for Dan's in the above list. 1971-74 all saw six winners across a season, but due to a lack of full-time drives in some instances and absences for various reasons in others we never got them all in the one Grand Prix. The situation only became even more unlikely as the decade wore on, and it wasn't until the mid-nineties that it looked even remotely possible again, with the 1994 Italian and Portuguese Grands Prix each featuring five Le Mans winners, who were:

Mark Blundell (Tyrrell)
Martin Brundle (McLaren)
Yannick Dalmas (Larrousse)
Bertrand Gachot (Pacific)
Johnny Herbert (Lotus)

In conclusion, this has been yet another pointless exercise in meaningless statistics (or a meaningless exercise in pointless statistics). Thank you. :)
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Thank you, that was interesting!
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It's effectively the halfway point of 2018 (11/21 races completed) and Renault, McLaren, Haas and Sauber have all outscored their 2017 tallies already.
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When was the last time that team orders actually changed the outcome of a championship's final standings?

Just thinking about what it is that makes me uncomfortable about them, and it's probably that they often feel so unnecessary in context. I feel like they very rarely actually make or break championship - only take away deserved wins from "number two" drivers. In theory they make sense, but I so often think of 2002 Austria and 2010 Germany, where it really didn't feel right for me. Germany is more contested, I know, because Alonso very nearly did win that championship in the end. But my question still stands.

Massa moved over for Räikkönen towards the end of Brazil 2007 to let him when the championship, but even that was inevitable and it would only have been a shock had it not happened in context. Has there been a more recent example where someone wouldn't have won a championship without team orders helping them?
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I can't say it's made the difference between first and second since 2007, but that's something we can only say in retrospect, which makes this whole question very problematic because, when you're fighting for the championship, you don't have the benefit of hindsight for the battle ahead.

Take 1999. Salo moved over for Irvine to let him win the German Grand Prix, giving Eddie an extra four points. But when the chequered flag fell at Suzuka, that switching of positions had made no difference to the final result as Irvine was still two points short of Hakkinen in the table. And yet that could easily have gone differently in any of the six remaining races after Hockenheim. For example, a smoother pit stop for Irvine at the Nuerburgring might have seen him on the podium and scoring the points he would have needed to beat Hakkinen, or maybe he would only have finished fourth and it ultimately goes to a tiebreak with Hakkinen still winning. In the end we don't know; any speculation of what could have happened after the fact won't really amount to anything because we can't change the past, but in August 1999 Hakkinen winning the championship was far from being a done deal, and Irvine equally was not in the most comfortable position points-wise. It could have gone either way.

The thing is that the World Drivers' Championship is, paradoxically, a teams championship as well, even if you throw out the Constructors' Championship. You can't win without a good design team, good engineers, mechanics etc. Sometimes it even comes down to the actions of the driver in the other car as well.
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Maybe unusual stats isn't the place but a few years back I worked out that in 1986 had Mansell beaten Senna in the Spanish grand prix the extra 3 points would have changed the outcome of the championship....
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Kimi Raikkonen now has the longest gap between first and last F1 Grand Prix wins at 15 years and a certain amount of days, surpassing Michael Schumacher's previous record of 14 years and a certain amount of days.

In top-line Grand Prix racing as a whole, this even surpasses Felice Nazzaro's record of 15 years and a smaller number of days (Wikipedia says 2 weeks on the dot) between the 1907 and 1922 French Grands Prix, although that's just going off Grandes Épreuves... and my own memory.

EDIT: Just remembered Louis Chiron! 1928 Italian Grand Prix and 1949 French Grand Prix!
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Rob Dylan wrote:When was the last time that team orders actually changed the outcome of a championship's final standings?

Has there been a more recent example where someone wouldn't have won a championship without team orders helping them?


Hamilton on Kovalainen, Germany 2008.

Pretty sure there was also some instance in 2012 where Webber was instructed to let Vettel pass, but my memory fails me where it was...
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