2019 Monaco Grand Prix discussion thread

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2019 Monaco Grand Prix discussion thread

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The disillusion with F1 is palpable round here compared with a few years ago - sad.

Anyway it looks like a predictable result already.

Stroll really is being exposed as a pay driver with little talent to justify his seat.

And Renault are lining themselves up to be equally disappointing.

Those Hondas though...
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Autosport wrote:Lewis Hamilton prevailed in a battle with Mercedes Formula 1 team-mate Valtteri Bottas
Now when you say battle, and then the words team-mate Valtteri Bottas, it sort of cheapens the phrase 'battle', now doesn't it, Autosport.

I don't suppose Kubica will be able to pull off any heroics even here in Monaco :(
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Rob Dylan wrote:
Autosport wrote:Lewis Hamilton prevailed in a battle with Mercedes Formula 1 team-mate Valtteri Bottas

Now when you say battle, and then the words team-mate Valtteri Bottas, it sort of cheapens the phrase 'battle', now doesn't it, Autosport.


You know exactly who to complain to about this. Hint, it's the chap whose username is shortened to a synonym of "cab". ;)

While you're at it, ask him what it's like to hang out with his new cool friends at the Monaco casino. :pantano:
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Rob Dylan wrote:I don't suppose Kubica will be able to pull off any heroics even here in Monaco :(

In some senses, merely being able to compete around Monaco, given the restrictions in the movement of his arm, is something of an achievement in itself - though it's a bit of a sorry situation when that is probably going to be the most he can achieve this weekend.
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What are Ferrari doing?

It's mind-boggling. They're on the back foot for the entire season and they try to be clever and save tires in Q1 at Monaco, the track where qualifying is most important?

Then they realise, last minute, that it's going to put Vettel out, so they send him out for another lap, forgetting that him going through will put Leclerc, who is sitting in the pits, in danger. Who is running strategy in their team?

No. Just put the times in and get your cars through.
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Feeling like I should nominate myself for RotR for nominating the race instead of Ferrari for that particular award, and the race hasn't even happened yet :/
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Enforcer wrote:What are Ferrari doing?

It's mind-boggling. They're on the back foot for the entire season and they try to be clever and save tires in Q1 at Monaco, the track where qualifying is most important?

Then they realise, last minute, that it's going to put Vettel out, so they send him out for another lap, forgetting that him going through will put Leclerc, who is sitting in the pits, in danger. Who is running strategy in their team?

No. Just put the times in and get your cars through.

The radio transcripts show that Leclerc did in fact ask his engineer "Do we have to go again?", but was told that "We’ll get ready Charles, but we don’t really have to go".

There might have been some work on trying to save a set of tyres for the next session, but it sounds as if the main problem was that Ferrari underestimated how quickly the track was improving and were busy preparing Leclerc's car for Q2, having wrongly assumed that their Q1 time was good enough. They might also have been slightly distracted by the fact that they had to wheel Leclerc back to the weigh bridge first for a weight check, but even so they should have had enough time in hand.

It does seem to be a fairly surprising error to make though, as Monaco is a circuit where track evolution is especially pronounced - it sounds as if they badly underestimated how rapidly it would improve.
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I predict one of two scenarios tomorrow. I just hope it's not the scenario where Leclerc ends up in 4th by lap 7 and nothing happens for the next 71 laps.
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Training Video for Ferrari:

https://youtu.be/mUmU5amLy9Y

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Christ may as well give Ferrari ROTY now. Are they even trying to win anymore. :facepalm:
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80% chance of rain today, and the first raindrops have started to fall at Montecarlo
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Rob Dylan wrote:I predict one of two scenarios tomorrow. I just hope it's not the scenario where Leclerc ends up in 4th by lap 7 and nothing happens for the next 71 laps.

It does sound as if Leclerc is going into this race with a fairly aggressive mentality, which could equally see him into a wall early on - either way, you suspect it is going to be a frustrating race for him.

Samster wrote:Christ may as well give Ferrari ROTY now. Are they even trying to win anymore. :facepalm:

It does underline the fact that Ferrari have felt like a collection of individuals over the past few years, whereas Mercedes have felt like a cohesive team.

Even if the latter have had occasions when they were not at their best, they still worked together to maximise their performance - by contrast, even when Ferrari had opportunities in the past when they were quicker, it felt as if the results came despite, and not because, of the way that they operated.

Now that the team is under more pressure, that lack of co-ordination is showing up even more - confused messages to their drivers and clumsy mistakes with their strategies being the symptoms of it. They are trying to take gambles to try and match Mercedes, but in doing so it feels as if they are only putting themselves ever further from Mercedes and pushing themselves into making even more desperate gambles.

Whilst it may be understandable that they feel they need to take bigger gambles than their rivals, it feels as if the team and their drivers are not good at judging the odds on those gambles - too many times, it feels as if either the team or their drivers are taking risks where the odds of failure are too high for it to work.
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Miguel98 wrote:80% chance of rain today, and the first raindrops have started to fall at Montecarlo

Doesn't that make it a 100% chance? :deletraz:
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Samster wrote:Christ may as well give Ferrari ROTY now. Are they even trying to win anymore. :facepalm:


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Race started....

And it looks like Ferrari are already contenders for Reject of the Race after Lederec crashes out. Terrible weekend for them.
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For reference, Kubica is currently lapping faster than the leaders, illustrating just how slowly Hamilton is going at the moment.

This is tense stuff.
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An appropriately tense Monaco. Or you could say another race of Hamilton whinging the whole time and then winning because the Pirellis always last 50 km longer than advertised. But I enjoyed it.
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UncreativeUsername37 wrote:An appropriately tense Monaco. Or you could say another race of Hamilton whinging the whole time and then winning because the Pirellis always last 50 km longer than advertised. But I enjoyed it.


That, and the track being too small for one car to pass another except for at two spots.
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I enjoyed the tension. The track characteristics meant Williams got a better result than anticipated. There was even limited overtaking (with no DRS ) , which is really tense at Monaco .
I like watching them drive and race at Monaco, but of course I wouldnt want another 10 tracks like Monaco on the calendar.
I enjoyed it
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