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The last time a 31 year old Japanese driver went to Super Formula (then Formula Nippon) to F1 it didn't go well...
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AdrianBelmonte_ wrote:The last time a 31 year old Japanese driver went to Super Formula (then Formula Nippon) to F1 it didn't go well...

Yuji Ide?
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Enforcer wrote:Is it the 1990s again?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/49957331

31 year old Japanese Super Formula and Super GT champion to test for Torro Rosso. I know he'll never get a race seat, but it's still cool.


We'll see if Jenson Button's hunch was right then:

https://www.planetf1.com/news/button-be ... f1-chance/
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Who's paying for it?
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dr-baker wrote:
AdrianBelmonte_ wrote:The last time a 31 year old Japanese driver went to Super Formula (then Formula Nippon) to F1 it didn't go well...

Yuji Ide?


Yeah.

I thought he might have meant Firman, but he wasn't quite that old at the time.
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Enforcer wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
AdrianBelmonte_ wrote:The last time a 31 year old Japanese driver went to Super Formula (then Formula Nippon) to F1 it didn't go well...

Yuji Ide?


Yeah.

I thought he might have meant Firman, but he wasn't quite that old at the time.

Nor was Firman Japanese. ;)
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Of course, Andre Lotterer was a Super Formula Nippon driver who ended up in F1 at the age of 32, but he too was not Japanese...
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Haven't read these articles, but Autosport suggests the Hulk may be off to DTM. He's German, so some logic to that.
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It's disappointing, Hülkenberg deserves to be in F1. But so does Vandoorne and every top FE driver. 20 cars sucks.
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An un-silly silly season outcome.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/albo ... 0/4595853/

I think Albon has been spectacular so far and would be being spoken of as a future star/champion if it were not for Leclerc and Verstappen.

Also good to see Gasly and Kvyat retained.
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IceG wrote:An un-silly silly season outcome.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/albo ... 0/4595853/

I think Albon has been spectacular so far and would be being spoken of as a future star/champion if it were not for Leclerc and Verstappen.

Also good to see Gasly and Kvyat retained.

I'd say that Albon has been much more consistent than Gasly was and has done a solid enough job, but I wouldn't say it was a spectacular performance.

He's stayed ahead of the midfield pack, which Gasly didn't always do, but at the same time he has only rarely troubled the other drivers in the top three teams. He's generally qualified last out of the top six drivers, and usually placed last of the top six drivers too - he's in a tough group, but at the same time not really shown the same sort of pace that the other drivers in the teams around him have shown.

Overall, I'd say it's a decent start, but he has to demonstrate that he can continue to build on his current performances and show that he can get amongst the other drivers in the top six on pure pace.
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I'm somewhere between the two of you. I think Albon's done great, and I'm very happy the seat wasn't wasted on Gasly for the second half of the season. It was much better used in Alexander's hands, and it's crazy just how new he is as well.

But yeah, he hasn't scored a podium yet, and in terms of on-track action I've seen very little of him that's greatly positive. But results are results, and he is consistent where Gasly wasn't. Good on the guy.
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Rob Dylan wrote:I'm somewhere between the two of you. I think Albon's done great, and I'm very happy the seat wasn't wasted on Gasly for the second half of the season. It was much better used in Alexander's hands, and it's crazy just how new he is as well.

But yeah, he hasn't scored a podium yet, and in terms of on-track action I've seen very little of him that's greatly positive. But results are results, and he is consistent where Gasly wasn't. Good on the guy.


Would Kvyat of scored a podium in the 2019 Red Bull?
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Rob Dylan wrote:I'm somewhere between the two of you. I think Albon's done great, and I'm very happy the seat wasn't wasted on Gasly for the second half of the season. It was much better used in Alexander's hands, and it's crazy just how new he is as well.

But yeah, he hasn't scored a podium yet, and in terms of on-track action I've seen very little of him that's greatly positive. But results are results, and he is consistent where Gasly wasn't. Good on the guy.


Would Kvyat of scored a podium in the 2019 Red Bull?
He didn't need a Red Bull to do that 8-)
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UncreativeUsername37 wrote:It's disappointing, Hülkenberg deserves to be in F1. But so does Vandoorne and every top FE driver. 20 cars sucks.


Yep , I agree - 20 cars on the grid. Empty grid space every grand prix for many years now . F1 is undersubscribed, which isnt healthy . Whilst the 10 teams like keeping down the number of teams sharing the TV money I really feel that having only 20 cars limits the potential to expand that audience. At some level there must be people in F1 who know that adding an American driver, an Indonesian , Chinese etc would greatly increase the interest. And they do exist, but they just can't/won't make it regularly to F1 if it is 20 cars and many of the current drivers having a 10 year F1 career . A lot of the appeal of FE is that they are drivers people are interested in - it's not purely an interest in tiny street tracks and electric motors.
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Rob Dylan wrote:
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Rob Dylan wrote:I'm somewhere between the two of you. I think Albon's done great, and I'm very happy the seat wasn't wasted on Gasly for the second half of the season. It was much better used in Alexander's hands, and it's crazy just how new he is as well.

But yeah, he hasn't scored a podium yet, and in terms of on-track action I've seen very little of him that's greatly positive. But results are results, and he is consistent where Gasly wasn't. Good on the guy.


Would Kvyat of scored a podium in the 2019 Red Bull?
He didn't need a Red Bull to do that 8-)


It took over 3 years, but Kvyat fans finally have a comeback to "Max Verstappen won his very first race in Kvyat's Red Bull." :P
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So, it's offical, Latifi to Williams:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... U0eiF.html
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It took over 3 years, but Kvyat fans finally have a comeback to "Max Verstappen won his very first race in Kvyat's Red Bull." :P



Perhaps the Red Bull is mainly tuned for Verstappen? I know that is probably the case for Red Bull for the last few seasons but perhaps this year's Red Bull is difficult for anyone that doesn't drive like Max to use effectively?
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It took over 3 years, but Kvyat fans finally have a comeback to "Max Verstappen won his very first race in Kvyat's Red Bull." :P



Perhaps the Red Bull is mainly tuned for Verstappen. I know that is probably the case for Red Bull for the last few season but perhaps this year's Red Bull is difficult for anyone that doesn't drive like Max to use effectively?


That... wasn't entirely a serious point. Hence the :P
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Salamander wrote:
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It took over 3 years, but Kvyat fans finally have a comeback to "Max Verstappen won his very first race in Kvyat's Red Bull." :P



Perhaps the Red Bull is mainly tuned for Verstappen. I know that is probably the case for Red Bull for the last few season but perhaps this year's Red Bull is difficult for anyone that doesn't drive like Max to use effectively?


That... wasn't entirely a serious point. Hence the :P


My question still stands :D
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Salamander wrote:
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Salamander wrote:
It took over 3 years, but Kvyat fans finally have a comeback to "Max Verstappen won his very first race in Kvyat's Red Bull." :P



Perhaps the Red Bull is mainly tuned for Verstappen. I know that is probably the case for Red Bull for the last few season but perhaps this year's Red Bull is difficult for anyone that doesn't drive like Max to use effectively?


That... wasn't entirely a serious point. Hence the :P

Maybe not specifically tuned to Max, but it does seem to be the case that the RB14 isn't a particularly stable or easy car to drive, making it difficult to predict how exactly the car will respond.

What probably does not help either is that, according to Marko, the most experienced engineers and race mechanics have all been allocated to Max's side of the garage. If you are an inexperienced driver, having the less experienced members of the team working with you to try and sort out the set up is probably compounding any handling issues.
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mario wrote:
Maybe not specifically tuned to Max, but it does seem to be the case that the RB14 isn't a particularly stable or easy car to drive, making it difficult to predict how exactly the car will respond.

What probably does not help either is that, according to Marko, the most experienced engineers and race mechanics have all been allocated to Max's side of the garage. If you are an inexperienced driver, having the less experienced members of the team working with you to try and sort out the set up is probably compounding any handling issues.


While we are on the subject, what makes this year's Toro Rosso (and likely the final Toro Rosso in F1) so competitive? The podiums it got were in very odd circumstances, but it stayed competitive with Renault, Mclaren and Racing Point pretty much all season. (If they had a better Abu Dhabi GP they could have passed Renault for 5th in the constructors, since a 6th place finish should of been doable in that car :D )
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Maybe not specifically tuned to Max, but it does seem to be the case that the RB14 isn't a particularly stable or easy car to drive, making it difficult to predict how exactly the car will respond.

What probably does not help either is that, according to Marko, the most experienced engineers and race mechanics have all been allocated to Max's side of the garage. If you are an inexperienced driver, having the less experienced members of the team working with you to try and sort out the set up is probably compounding any handling issues.


While we are on the subject, what makes this year's Toro Rosso (an likely the final Toro Rosso in F1) so competitive? The podiums it got were in very odd circumstances, but it stayed competitive with Renault, Mclaren and Racing Point pretty much all season. (If they had a better Abu Dhabi GP they could have passed Renault for 5th in the constructors, since a 6th place finish should of been doable in that car :D )

Probably the decision by Red Bull to significantly increase the amount of component sharing between Red Bull and Toro Rosso this year, with Toro Rosso's most recent car now pushing the limits on the number of parts which they can share between the two teams.

They've seen how Ferrari and Haas have profited from such an arrangement, and decided that, if they couldn't beat them, they'd join them. It's also part of the reason why James Key left Toro Rosso in 2018 - Red Bull suggested it was because the role of Technical Director at Toro Rosso was being scaled back because of the increased part sharing, and Key wasn't keen on having his role reduced in scope.
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Maybe not specifically tuned to Max, but it does seem to be the case that the RB14 isn't a particularly stable or easy car to drive, making it difficult to predict how exactly the car will respond.

What probably does not help either is that, according to Marko, the most experienced engineers and race mechanics have all been allocated to Max's side of the garage. If you are an inexperienced driver, having the less experienced members of the team working with you to try and sort out the set up is probably compounding any handling issues.


While we are on the subject, what makes this year's Toro Rosso (an likely the final Toro Rosso in F1) so competitive? The podiums it got were in very odd circumstances, but it stayed competitive with Renault, Mclaren and Racing Point pretty much all season. (If they had a better Abu Dhabi GP they could have passed Renault for 5th in the constructors, since a 6th place finish should of been doable in that car :D )

Probably the decision by Red Bull to significantly increase the amount of component sharing between Red Bull and Toro Rosso this year, with Toro Rosso's most recent car now pushing the limits on the number of parts which they can share between the two teams.

They've seen how Ferrari and Haas have profited from such an arrangement, and decided that, if they couldn't beat them, they'd join them. It's also part of the reason why James Key left Toro Rosso in 2018 - Red Bull suggested it was because the role of Technical Director at Toro Rosso was being scaled back because of the increased part sharing, and Key wasn't keen on having his role reduced in scope.


Granted such parts sharing doesn't automatically mean success, see Haas in 2019 (or did Ferrari switch its attention to Alfa Romeo for parts sharing and that explains Haas's drop in performance?)

Perhaps Toro Rosso just took the "right" parts from Red Bull, the ones that don't make the car difficult to drive if you aren't Verstappen, or alternatively they used the parts differently to better suit the Toro Rosso's capabilities.
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Toro Rosso buys the parts, meaning that it doesn't have to expend resources developing its own for relatively little laptime yield. The STR14 rear end is largely the same as Red Bull's last year, and so it's a proven and reliable set of components. It can then pump that money, time and people into chasing other areas of performance.

It's also helped massively that the drivers (bar a couple of practice offs for Albon) have been able to record a lot more running in practice to cement everything...hmm, I seem to recall reading something about that...
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Ataxia wrote:Toro Rosso buys the parts, meaning that it doesn't have to expend resources developing its own for relatively little laptime yield. The STR14 rear end is largely the same as Red Bull's last year, and so it's a proven and reliable set of components. It can then pump that money, time and people into chasing other areas of performance.

It's also helped massively that the drivers (bar a couple of practice offs for Albon) have been able to record a lot more running in practice to cement everything...hmm, I seem to recall reading something about that...


Yet the car is not violating the "no customer cars" rule?
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CaptainGetz12 wrote:
Ataxia wrote:Toro Rosso buys the parts, meaning that it doesn't have to expend resources developing its own for relatively little laptime yield. The STR14 rear end is largely the same as Red Bull's last year, and so it's a proven and reliable set of components. It can then pump that money, time and people into chasing other areas of performance.

It's also helped massively that the drivers (bar a couple of practice offs for Albon) have been able to record a lot more running in practice to cement everything...hmm, I seem to recall reading something about that...


Yet the car is not violating the "no customer cars" rule?


No, there's a clearly defined list of parts a team must design itself and parts it can purchase elsewhere. Gearboxes, suspension components and such are things you can buy in.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/50690975

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CoopsII wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/50690975

OK, there's a good chance most of you won't understand or remember the relevance of this guy but I, for one, am glad this cause of so much fear, anger, hate and suffering is now out of a job.

Merry Christmas,

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CoopsII wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/50690975

OK, there's a good chance most of you won't understand or remember the relevance of this guy but I, for one, am glad this cause of so much fear, anger, hate and suffering is now out of a job.

Merry Christmas,

I think that there will be those wondering why you consider him to have been such a demon.

There are indeed people wondering!
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dr-baker wrote:There are indeed people wondering!


Indeed there are. I mean, being a mediocre designer usually does not justify such vitrol.
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dr-baker wrote:There are indeed people wondering!


Indeed there are. I mean, being a mediocre designer usually does not justify such vitrol.

Furthermore, there is now a suggestion that he is in the running for taking over from Fry's role at Williams. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ches ... t/4614208/
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Leclerc has signed a new 5 year deal with Ferrari, taking his seat out of the 2021 merry-go-round.
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And Kubica as reserve at Alfa Romeo - quite a surprise that...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alfa ... e/4617950/
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IceG wrote:And Kubica as reserve at Alfa Romeo - quite a surprise that...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alfa ... e/4617950/

About the only surprise of this silly season.
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IceG wrote:And Kubica as reserve at Alfa Romeo - quite a surprise that...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alfa ... e/4617950/


Looking forward to an embarassment of Badoer / Fisi proportions when Kimi has a snowboard / tennis / ice cream (delete as applicable) related injury this season.
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Barbazza wrote:
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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alfa ... e/4617950/


Looking forward to an embarassment of Badoer / Fisi proportions when Kimi has a snowboard / tennis / ice cream (delete as applicable) related injury this season.


Throw in a Schumacher almost taking his place for good measure :D
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IceG wrote:And Kubica as reserve at Alfa Romeo - quite a surprise that...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alfa ... e/4617950/


Looking forward to an embarassment of Badoer / Fisi proportions when Kimi has a snowboard / tennis / ice cream (delete as applicable) related injury this season.


Throw in a Schumacher almost taking his place for good measure :D

Ralf Schumacher making an epic(ally awful) comeback when? :P
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Re: 2020 Silly Season Thread

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So Leclerc in for five bloody seasons. Good shout from Ferrari: other than Verstappen he's easily the best young driver out there, and will quickly jump to the top very soon. As long as they can hold onto him they'll try their best. It's a huge endorsement, let's just hope it pays off for them. But did Ferrari really have any other choice?

And speaking of Schumachers, Autosport reporting that a certain Mick is on the cards for an F1 seat in a vague time in the future.
Murray Walker at the 1997 Austrian Grand Prix wrote:The other [Stewart] driver, who nobody's been paying attention to, because he's disappointing, is Jan Magnussen.
Felipe Nasr - the least forgettable F1 driver!
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