Your Reject of the Race - Canada

Post by **Londoner** » 09 Jun 2019, 19:56

1. Stewards - Open and shut ROTR. What an absolute farce.

2. Kevin Magnussen - The Q2 crash was entirely of his own making, and spent the entire race bitching at his crew. I think he actually finished behind a Williams on merit.

Honourable mention to Pierre Gasly, who couldn't even pass Stroll despite being on much fresher tyres. This level of performance simply won't cut it for Red Bull.

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 09 Jun 2019, 19:57

East Londoner wrote:1. Stewards - Open and shut ROTR. What an absolute farce.

Psyclepath · Post by **Psyclepath** » 09 Jun 2019, 20:00

East Londoner wrote:1. Stewards - Open and shut ROTR. What an absolute farce.

2. Kevin Magnussen - The Q2 crash was entirely of his own making, and spent the entire race bitching at his crew. I think he actually finished behind a Williams on merit.

I agree entirely with this.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 09 Jun 2019, 20:00

Enforcer wrote:
East Londoner wrote:1. Stewards - Open and shut ROTR. What an absolute farce.

What these 2 said

Pacific Edge · Post by **Pacific Edge** » 09 Jun 2019, 20:03

1st. Stewards, that's an easy one.

2nd. Magnussen Needs to be reminded that he ruined his own race.

3rd. Bottas It felt like he had to take the fastest lap just to remain remotely relevant in the race.

HM: Kubica Even compared to Russell, he was just nowhere.

lance_rambert · Post by **lance_rambert** » 09 Jun 2019, 20:04

Thank you to the stewards for ruining that race. NASCAR's officiating hasn't been this disgustingly incompetent. At least their errors can raise a laugh.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 09 Jun 2019, 20:05

The stewards.

The post-race ended up being more entertaining than the end of the actual race after all that.

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 09 Jun 2019, 20:05

1- The Stewards- I am totally with Vettel here. What an absolute joke.

I am so angry I cannot even be bothered to do a second.

Meatwad · Post by **Meatwad** » 09 Jun 2019, 20:09

This is easy. Sebastian Vettel for screwing up once again, and following it up with a ridiculous showcase of poor sportsmanship. To his credit, he handled the podium ceremony a little better, but everything before that... :facepalm:

A shame for Ferrari, but what can you do...

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 09 Jun 2019, 20:10

im just gonna say Lewis you grassing little ****
no bathplug way was that unsafe :facepalm:

the stewards took action and ruined the race

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 09 Jun 2019, 20:20

I'm coming down on Vettel's side - no matter how the last ten seasons ever since he left Toro Rosso have dimmed my impression of him, he was robbed, so one of my ROTR nominations goes to Emanuele Pirro - on behalf of the stewards, but as I said on the race thread, it's specifically gone to him because no other driver stewards are quite so quick to hand out penalties like they're going out of fashion. Call Vettel's reaction poor sportsmanship like Meatwad did if you must, but I think under the circumstances it's understandable... this time.

As for the other nomination, I did predict that there would be obnoxious, petulant and entitled radio messages, and there were... just that I picked the wrong driver. Kevin Magnussen might want to stay up all night watching the mechanics working on his car next time he wrecks it, just to see what it took even to get him into the race, and Günther Steiner giving him a verbal smackdown over the radio was a very welcome response. Having paid for Sky for four months so I can watch the Cricket World Cup and the Ashes, I've got their F1 coverage for a while and Martin Brundle mentioned Günther Schmidt in the immediate aftermath. I can't help thinking his reaction would have been considerably more extreme...

Spectoremg · Post by **Spectoremg** » 09 Jun 2019, 20:22

1. Stewards.

2. Hamilton's whinging.

HM. The Kubica farce. Not the man himself but the perfect storm of sorry circumstances that have led to this sorry situation. Somebody please take Williams around the back of the stables with a shotgun.

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 09 Jun 2019, 20:24

dinizintheoven wrote:Call Vettel's reaction poor sportsmanship like Meatwad did if you must, but I think under the circumstances it's understandable... this time..

They'd have all reacted like that. Hamilton, Ricciardo, Raikkonen, they'd have been as salty if not saltier, and who could blame them? That's the most ridiculous penalty that's ever been handed out.

Had it been me, I'd have just gone into pits the lap I got the penalty and parked.

Fetzie · Post by **Fetzie** » 09 Jun 2019, 21:14

I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon and call for the Stewards' heads on a bowl of poutine, because having gone back to the VoD I can see where they were coming from with the penalty. I base my reasoning for this on the set of screenshots I grabbed from the VoD (see main race thread).

I'm going to nominate Magnussen, for bitching about how his car isn't perfect when the team had to pull an all-nighter to put it back together again after he binned it in qualifying. He can, at least, show his team a bit of respect and be grateful he was able to start at all.

DHM to Williams (in particular, but not only Kubica) because, honestly, being crap is what we expect from them these days.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 09 Jun 2019, 21:16

Definitely the stewards, though Magnussen is up there with a shout too.

It got me thinking though - as it was recently 25 years since the death of Senna, I was reading a lot about his rivalry with Prost, and if the stewarding had been then like it is now, I think Senna would have been banned over and over!!

Fetzie · Post by **Fetzie** » 09 Jun 2019, 21:27

James1978 wrote:Definitely the stewards, though Magnussen is up there with a shout too.

It got me thinking though - as it was recently 25 years since the death of Senna, I was reading a lot about his rivalry with Prost, and if the stewarding had been then like it is now, I think Senna would have been banned over and over!!

I'm fairly sure that Schumacher would too. He played very rough at times.

Post by **mario** » 09 Jun 2019, 21:27

Well, since the stewards are probably going to be getting nominated by most others, I guess that it's worth trying to find something else just to give a bit of variety.

As others have noted, Kevin Magnussen deserves a fair amount of criticism - his crash in qualifying probably cost Grosjean a Q3 slot, and his constant complaints to that same team which had worked overnight to help rebuild his car whilst exhibiting fairly poor pace of his own was rather childish. He even managed to finish 8.6s behind Russell's Williams, which just underlines how far off the pace he was.

I would also agree with the nomination for Gasly - losing several places is bad enough, but to be over 10 seconds off the two Renault drivers at the end of the race is just poor. Mind you, although Verstappen did make it up past the two Renault's in the end, he was almost a minute off the lead by the end of the race - Red Bull might have talked up their race pace, but they really weren't in the picture for most of it.

As an outside suggestion, I'd perhaps pick up Sauber/Alfa Romeo for their performance too - they were able to score points in the first four races, but from Spain onwards they just seem to have begun slipping back towards the tail end of the midfield pack again.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 09 Jun 2019, 22:06

It pains me to suggest Bottas as another alternative, his qualifying and race was reminiscent of his performances at the tail of last season in terms of the lack of pace and general anonymity/error-making. I'm wishing he rediscovers his form from earlier in the year quickly, we need him to keep a title battle alive that might well be over already. On the positive side, even though the spin in Q3 in general set him back, Valtteri wins a couple of brownie points for that car control to keep his Mercedes out of the wall, very neatly done!

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 09 Jun 2019, 23:22

Stewards - Just when I think this season cannot get any worse, now Ferrari can't even win when they actually take the checkered flag first. All down to one of the most contentious penalties I've ever seen.

2nd nomination yet again goes to the 2019 season itself. Can we have any satisfaction this year? Even Bottas is falling out of title contention now. :facepalm:

In fact Bottas ought to get a mention too for not only being miles away from Lewis and the Ferraris but spending much of the race fighting Renaults. I'm now leaning on the give Ocon a shot next season camp again.

Lewis Hamilton 'Cries on radio about Vettel's 'unsafe' return'.
Post-race after being gifted a win on a rare day when his equipment isn't as vastly superior as it usually is, 'Not the way I wanted to win'. Yeah piss off you fake-sad lucky as hell crybaby. :facepalm:

Final mention to Fake Alfa Sauber after showing leading Formula 1.5 pace in the opening four races, from Spain onwards they have been firmly in the bottom three teams.

You-Gee-Eee-Day · Post by **You-Gee-Eee-Day** » 10 Jun 2019, 01:23

East Londoner wrote:1. Stewards - Open and shut ROTR. What an absolute farce.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 10 Jun 2019, 01:29

1.) The Stewards - Just how? How? What did you see? Brundle, Herbert, Karun, and Button all called BS. But you three scrubs? I have never in my life thought a race was fixed before, but man, you have to wonder here...

2.) Hamilton - Don't cry to the stewards one second then claim "you don't want to win that way" just because you got boo'd. Also, why weren't these "the best fans in F1" Lewis?

3.) K-Mag - Your weekend was 100% your own fault. You deserve the profanity laden dressing down you surely got from Steiner during the debrief you tool.

FortiWinks · Post by **FortiWinks** » 10 Jun 2019, 01:50

East Londoner wrote:1. Stewards - Open and shut ROTR. What an absolute farce.

2. Kevin Magnussen - The Q2 crash was entirely of his own making, and spent the entire race bitching at his crew. I think he actually finished behind a Williams on merit.

Honourable mention to Pierre Gasly, who couldn't even pass Stroll despite being on much fresher tyres. This level of performance simply won't cut it for Red Bull.

Add another nomination to the stewards and Kevin Magnussen there :facepalm:

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 10 Jun 2019, 04:35

Even though I've also nominated Vettel for IIDOTR, I'm putting him up here for doing half a protest. Rob Dylan's post in the race thread is also my feeling.

razta · Post by **razta** » 10 Jun 2019, 08:16

WeirdKerr wrote:im just gonna say Lewis you grassing little ****
no bathplug way was that unsafe

the stewards took action and ruined the race

yup.. then he goes on to say "I don't want to win like this."
NO shite! YOU INSTIGATED THE WHOLE THING.
Also, notice how HE had all 4 wheels over the white line.. yet nothing..

Post by **Miguel98** » 10 Jun 2019, 08:31

1. Stewards - Yeah, no question. One of the most baffling F1 decisions I've seen in my lifetime, which in turn, led to one of the most nonsensical podiums I've ever seen.

2. Pierre Gasly - Well, that was terrible. Finishing behind both Renault's on merit, while starting ahead of your team-mate who finished 3 places ahead of you in the end.

Honorable mention for Kevin Magnussen and Valtteri Bottas for sucking overall. The first, because, dear god, Steiner should have hit him in the post-race debrief after being entirelly his wrong-doing his crash in Q2, and then after the team pulled an all-nighter to rebuild the car, complained it sucked. And Bottas, because he plain sucked. Again.

yannicksamlad · Post by **yannicksamlad** » 10 Jun 2019, 09:27

Magnussen ...as above

Kubica ..maybe I'm unkind because maybe Russell really is very very good. But he was a long way off his teammate, for no obvious external reason

sswishbone · Post by **sswishbone** » 10 Jun 2019, 11:50

Lando Norris's Suspension - Seriously what happened there? Would have come around 7th had his car not given up

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 10 Jun 2019, 11:51

Sebastien Vettel for losing it under pressure and causing his own misfortune. A quadruple world champion that regularly cracks under pressure and / or makes stupid decisions (Germany 2018, Azerbaijan 2017, Canada 2011...).

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 10 Jun 2019, 11:55

Has to be the Stewards. At a time when F1 viewership is plummeting and one team/driver are running away with the title, most people would (for once) be willing to look the other way to a little Ferrari International Assistance to spice up the season. Instead the chance of a title fight, however small, has been extinguished. Sometimes it can be about the bigger picture...

MatthewFirth · Post by **MatthewFirth** » 10 Jun 2019, 17:50

ROTR is the Stewards. Vettel's mistake was not one to be punished.
Second choice would be Bottas. Terribly weak drive in one of the best cars on the grid.

Fetzie · Post by **Fetzie** » 10 Jun 2019, 18:59

Collieafc wrote:Has to be the Stewards. At a time when F1 viewership is plummeting and one team/driver are running away with the title, most people would (for once) be willing to look the other way to a little Ferrari International Assistance to spice up the season. Instead the chance of a title fight, however small, has been extinguished. Sometimes it can be about the bigger picture...

Wouldn't that make F1 be more like WWE wrestling or an American reality TV show with drama instigated to invoke excitement, rather than actual content? No, F1 is a sport. It has rules, and Vettel broke one of them. To not punish him would be to set a very dangerous precedent. Indeed, the drivers have been clamouring for more consistency in the Stewards' decisions, and this was the Stewards being consistent. If it had been a back-marker that was always lurking around P13-P17 against another backmarker then nobody would have given a monkey's arse about it.

If you're applying penalties in some cases and looking away "just for the show" in others then F1 as a sport is dead; it will have become "Gordon Ramsay's Hell's Kitchen on Wheels" with fake drama, fake racing and fake personalities in the cockpits with pre-determined "winners". That's the other "bigger picture" to look at, and I know which I prefer to have on the telly every fortnight.

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 10 Jun 2019, 22:23

Fetzie wrote:
Collieafc wrote:Has to be the Stewards. At a time when F1 viewership is plummeting and one team/driver are running away with the title, most people would (for once) be willing to look the other way to a little Ferrari International Assistance to spice up the season. Instead the chance of a title fight, however small, has been extinguished. Sometimes it can be about the bigger picture...

Wouldn't that make F1 be more like WWE wrestling or an American reality TV show with drama instigated to invoke excitement, rather than actual content? No, F1 is a sport. It has rules, and Vettel broke one of them. To not punish him would be to set a very dangerous precedent. Indeed, the drivers have been clamouring for more consistency in the Stewards' decisions, and this was the Stewards being consistent. If it had been a back-marker that was always lurking around P13-P17 against another backmarker then nobody would have given a monkey's arse about it.

If you're applying penalties in some cases and looking away "just for the show" in others then F1 as a sport is dead; it will have become "Gordon Ramsay's Hell's Kitchen on Wheels" with fake drama, fake racing and fake personalities in the cockpits with pre-determined "winners". That's the other "bigger picture" to look at, and I know which I prefer to have on the telly every fortnight.

We are already half way there with the WWE-ification. Kers and DRS have destroyed the art of overtaking so any car that is outwith its "natural" position can slot back in with minimal resistance (drives through the field for a normally top runner just dont have the same wow factor), limited testing while introduced with good intentions, has removed any chance for teams to make up deficits to the point where any catch up is brought on by the banning of components/features/ or tyre changes. Indeed the Pirelli tyres themselves were first made with the hope of making racing interesting. And the penalties. Penalties for too many engines. Penalties for gearboxes. Penalties for incidents such as this which would once have been classed as racing incidents.

Yet we are stuck with the irony that races are becoming more and more predictable.

Either go for sport or entertainment. Right now F1 is trying and failing at both. One hopes it goes for sport but there's far more money in entertainment.

Rant over. Ill just go and collect the toys I threw out my pram.

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 11 Jun 2019, 00:06

I will not comment on the Stewards decision, since its rather a toss-up for me and both sides make good arguments. Instead I have for more concrete nominations for rejectfulness:

1) Track Marshals. Norris's car was sitting in the backdrop of turns 1 and 2 all race. That's a disaster waiting to happen! First Monaco, now this...

2) Kevin Magnussen. I may be rather harsh here, as he had to deal with a car that had to be rebuilt at the last minute. But his whining to the stewards probably ain't a good look. Then again Grosjean wasn't that fast during the race either, so maybe his complaints were warranted.

(Dis)Honorable Mentions:
Pierre Gasly (This time his poor showing was more due to Renault be fast rather than him being slow, but it's likely still testing the patience of RBR's leadership)
Valtteri Bottas (Caught on the backfoot when the title fight is heating up)

Frentzen127 · Post by **Frentzen127** » 11 Jun 2019, 04:17

Enforcer wrote:That's the most ridiculous penalty that's ever been handed out.

Malaysia 2002. That is all. :glasses:

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 11 Jun 2019, 14:17

Frentzen127 wrote:
Enforcer wrote:That's the most ridiculous penalty that's ever been handed out.

Malaysia 2002. That is all.

If we’re doing Motor Racing in general then Helio Castroneves at Edmonton 2010’s got to be up there as well

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 11 Jun 2019, 14:32

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:If we’re doing Motor Racing in general then Helio Castroneves at Edmonton 2010’s got to be up there as well

That ended up being worth it after we got to see him try to fight someone 3.5x his size and get shut down very quickly.

To me this is more like the 1981 Indy 500 (which IMHO is the worst call of all time). Just like that race, there was literally only one possible outcome the stewards could logically come to. And just just that race, they bathplugged it up.

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 11 Jun 2019, 20:24

I often find in this thread that I see something completely different or unsaid compared to most folks on here, but this weekend I find I'm in agreement with almost everything. Three things for me:

1.

everyone wrote:The Stewards

2. Valtteri Bottas - not at all fast, and genuinely looked like he was driving a Red Bull or something.
3. Pierre Gasly - not at all fast, and genuinely looked like he was driving a Renault or something.

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 14 Jun 2019, 15:05

So the poll is up! There were a lot of suggestions as to the various parties involved with "that penalty" as I will now call it, but the stewards were the runaway winners of the nominations, and so I will put them as representing the "penalty" nominations.

You have 48 hours to get voting!

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 17 Jun 2019, 08:34

So although there were by far more nominations for it than anything else, the votes were a lot closer than expected. However, the Stewards have won still, for their... decision... to award Sebastian Vettel a five-second penalty for that particular incident towards the end of the race. I was a very unpopular decision and made lots of people very angry, especially seeing as Vettel himself crossed the line in 1st. Whether their anger was aimed at specific stewards, at Hamilton's behaviour, or just at F1 in general, it was the Stewards' decision that unleashed the furore of the fans.

Pick your Reject of the Race!