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Updated. Red Bull jump from 27th to 20th, for the time being at least.
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Updated for Malaysia. Andrew Murdoch debuts in joint 50th.
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Updated. Maldonado climbs from 8th to 4th. 5 years ago today that this leaderboard was created!
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I'm "impressed" (For want of a better word) at 6.5 RotRs in 3 and a bit seasons for Maldonado. He's got a far better strike rate than the three drivers ahead of him who have had way longer careers. :)
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The Chinese GP chequered flag official debuts in joint 50th
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Updated for Spain. McLaren finally got their first ever outright RotR award, consequently leaping from joint 137th to joint 44th!
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Updated for Monaco. Sutil jumps from joint 22nd to joint 19th, while Gutierrez jumps from joint 51st to joint 41st.
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Updated for Canada. Mr. Talent Talent Talent demonstrates his remarkable talent by becoming the first Marussia driver to receive an untied RotR.
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Updated for Austria. Red Bull GmbH debuts in joint 52nd.
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Updated for Silverstone. Gutierrez jumps from joint 41st to joint 27th
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Updated for Hockenheim. Race control becomes one of very few non-driver/teams to get more than one RotR and consequently jumps from joint 56th to joint 30th.
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Updated for Hungary. Grosjean jumps from joint 27th to 20th.
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Updated for Spa. Hamilton jumps from 8th to 5th, while Rosberg jumps from joint 15th to joint 13th.
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Is Rosberg the first driver to finish as high as 2nd and win RotR?
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Ed24 wrote:Is Rosberg the first driver to finish as high as 2nd and win RotR?

Actually he's the second driver. The first was Barrichello at Indy 2004 when he gave some of his famous post-race excuses for not winning.
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Ed24 wrote:Is Rosberg the first driver to finish as high as 2nd and win RotR?

Actually he's the second driver. The first was Barrichello at Indy 2004 when he gave some of his famous post-race excuses for not winning.

Both Ferrari drivers earned ROTR in Indy '02, where they finished 1-2.
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Klon wrote:
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Ed24 wrote:Is Rosberg the first driver to finish as high as 2nd and win RotR?

Actually he's the second driver. The first was Barrichello at Indy 2004 when he gave some of his famous post-race excuses for not winning.

Both Ferrari drivers earned ROTR in Indy '02, where they finished 1-2.

Make that third. :P
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Thanks guys, just thought of the Indy 2002 fiasco after I posted but forgot Indy 2004!
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Updated for Monza. Ferrari jump from 9th to 6th, strengthening their position as the most rejectful team.
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tc3j3r wrote:Ferrari..., strengthening their position as the most rejectful team.

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Updated for Singapore. Uunspecified foreign substances debut in joint 53rd.
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Now that we have Biscione (and/or Nuppiz) deciding ROTR, are we going to to have separate Jamie/Enoch era and Biscione/Nuppiz era ROTR leaderboards (as per Top Gear's Star in a Reasonably Priced Car leaderboards), or will it remain as one combined ROTR award list?
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I've decided to keep it as one list, unless everyone objects. If we started again, it would take years for the list to become interesting, since virtually no-one would have more than one RotR for the first few years. For posterity, here is the final Jamie/Enoch era leaderboard:

1) Michael Schumacher .................. 10.00
2) Kimi Raikkonen .......................... 8.31
3) Giancarlo Fisichella .................... 7.06
4) Pastor Maldonado ...................... 6.50
5) Lewis Hamilton ......................... 6.42
6) Ferrari ...................................... 6.25
7) Jenson Button ........................... 6.22
8) Felipe Massa ............................ 6.06
9) FIA stewards ............................ 6.00
10) Williams ................................. 5.11
11) Takuma Sato ........................... 5.06
11) Mark Webber .......................... 5.06
13) Rubens Barrichello .................. 4.56
13) Nico Rosberg .......................... 4.56
15) Juan Pablo Montoya ................ 4.50
16) Vitantonio Liuzzi ..................... 4.06
17) Jacques Villeneuve .................. 4.00
18) Sebastian Vettel ..................... 3.83
19) Fernando Alonso ..................... 3.56
19) Adrian Sutil ............................ 3.56
21) Romain Grosjean .................... 3.50
22) Red Bull ................................. 3.25
23) David Coulthard ....................... 3.22
24) Ralf Schumacher ..................... 3.06
25) Heinz- Harald Frentzen ............. 3.00
25) Michelin .................................. 3.00
27) Jarno Trulli .............................. 2.56
28) Estaban Gutierrez ................... 2.50
29) Renault ................................... 2.11
30) Alex Wurz ............................... 2.00
30) Ferrari pit crew ......................... 2.00
30) Toyota engines ........................ 2.00
30) Honda engines ........................ 2.00
30) Mercedes engines ................... 2.00
30) Christian Klien ........................ 2.00
30) Honda Racing F1 Team ............ 2.00
30) Kamui Kobayashi ................... 2.00
30) Bruno Senna .......................... 2.00
30) Force India ............................ 2.00
30) Paul di Resta ........................ 2.00
30) Race control .......................... 2.00
43) Heikki Kovalainen .................. 1.56
44) Paul Stoddart ........................ 1.50
44) Giedo van der Garde ............... 1.50
46) ITV ....................................... 1.17
47) BAR ..................................... 1.11
47) Jordan ................................... 1.11
47) Toyota .................................. 1.11
47) Sauber ................................. 1.11
47) McLaren .............................. 1.11
51) Scott Speed ......................... 1.06
51) Christian Albers .................... 1.06
53) Pedro Diniz ......................... 1.00
53) Crazy ex-Mercedes employee . 1.00
53) Marc Gene .......................... 1.00
53) Jos Verstappen .................... 1.00
53) Benetton .............................. 1.00
53) Mika Hakkinen ..................... 1.00
53) Enrique Bernoldi ................... 1.00
53) Arrows ................................. 1.00
53) Pele ..................................... 1.00
53) Hungaroring .......................... 1.00
53) Curva do Sol ......................... 1.00
53) Cristiano da Matta ................. 1.00
53) Toyota's launch control ........... 1.00
53) Neil Horan ............................. 1.00
53) Bridgestone ........................... 1.00
53) Cosworth ............................... 1.00
53) 2004 rule changes .................. 1.00
53) Ted Kravitz ............................. 1.00
53) French TV director .................. 1.00
53) Olivier Panis ........................... 1.00
53) Italian GP trophies .................. 1.00
53) Typhoon Ma-on ....................... 1.00
53) Shanghai's drain covers ........... 1.00
53) Yuji Ide .................................. 1.00
53) Nick Heidfeld .......................... 1.00
53) Ferrari engines ....................... 1.00
53) BMW pit crew ........................ 1.00
53) Lewisteria .............................. 1.00
53) Mike Gascoyne ...................... 1.00
53) Fuel rigs ................................ 1.00
53) Valencia street circuit ............. 1.00
53) Japan .................................... 1.00
53) Sebastien Bourdais ................. 1.00
53) Felipe Massa's entourage ......... 1.00
53) Honda fatcat executives ........... 1.00
53) Bernie Ecclestone ................... 1.00
53) Nelson Piquet Junior ................ 1.00
53) BMW Sauber ........................... 1.00
53) Formula Elaborate Bluff ............ 1.00
53) Bits falling off cars ................... 1.00
53) Luca Badoer ............................ 1.00
53) Kimi Raikkonen's KERS ........... 1.00
53) 2010 season over-hyping .......... 1.00
53) Article 40.13 ............................ 1.00
53) Sauber pit crew ........................ 1.00
53) Nico Hulkenberg ....................... 1.00
53) Lucas di Grassi ......................... 1.00
53) Abu Dhabi podium rosewater ....... 1.00
53) Bits flying off Toro Rossos ........... 1.00
53) Mark Webber's strategy .............. 1.00
53) Stumbling Canadian GP Marshall 1.00
53) Hermann Tilke ........................... 1.00
53) Team Lotus ............................... 1.00
53) Jerome d'Ambrosio .................... 1.00
53) Vitaly Petrov ............................. 1.00
53) Virgin Racing ............................. 1.00
53) Mercedes doomsday prophets .... 1.00
53) Daniel Ricciardo ........................ 1.00
53) Podium interviews ..................... 1.00
53) Sergio Perez ............................. 1.00
53) Narain Karthikeyan .................... 1.00
53) The New Delhi haze ................... 1.00
53) Mercedes GP ............................ 1.00
53) The Tyre Debate ......................... 1.00
53) Bianchi's Phantom Marussia ....... 1.00
53) Sebatian Vettel's blond rinse ....... 1.00
53) Korean GP Fire Marshall's Jeep .. 1.00
53) Andrew Murdoch ........................ 1.00
53) Chinese GP chequered flag official 1.00
53) Max Chilton ............................... 1.00
53) Red Bull GmbH ......................... 1.00
53) Unspecified foreign substances ... 1.00
125) Jamie McGregor ...................... 0.50
125) Enoch Yan-Tak Law .................. 0.50
125) Ron Dennis ............................. 0.50
125) Flavio Briatore _........................ 0.50
125) Sebastien Buemi ...................... 0.50
125) Jaime Alguesuari ...................... 0.50
125) Jules Bianchi ........................... 0.50
132) Christian Horner ....................... 0.33
132) Helmut Marko .......................... 0.33
134) Korean GP marshalls ............... 0.20
134) Astroturf .................................. 0.20
134) Psy ......................................... 0.20
134) Adrian Newey's goggles ............. 0.20
134) Badgering Korean GP podium girl 0.20
139) Max Mosley ............................. 0.17
139) News of the World .................... 0.17
141) Jaguar ..................................... 0.11
141) Minardi .................................... 0.11
143) Anthony Davidson .................... 0.06

I also updated the main list for Melbourne. Perez jumps from joint 53rd to joint 30th.
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Guys I'm new to this, how did Pele get on the list?
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Spectoremg wrote:Guys I'm new to this, how did Pele get on the list?


Not sure about that, but I suspect he should be there due to his poor chequered flag-wawing performance at the 2002 Brazilian GP, as he completely missed the Schumacher brothers crossing the finish line.
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Spectoremg wrote:Guys I'm new to this, how did Pele get on the list?

Not waving the checkered flag when Schumacher crossed the line. The first driver to see the flag was Takuma Sato who was 2 laps down.
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Of the current drivers, Valtteri Bottas has started the most races (38) without being awarded ROTR. I wonder if there are any retired drivers that were never ROTR that have a higher number of starts over the existence of F1 Rejects?
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watka wrote:Of the current drivers, Valtteri Bottas has started the most races (38) without being awarded ROTR. I wonder if there are any retired drivers that were never ROTR that have a higher number of starts over the existence of F1 Rejects?

My research has produced the following drivers:

Timo Glock - 95 entries, 91 starts
Pedro de la Rosa - 83 entries, 81 starts from France 2000 onwards
Robert Kubica - 76 entries, 76 starts
Jean-Éric Vergne - 58 entries, 58 starts
Eddie Irvine - 43 entries, 42 starts from France 2000 onwards
Charles Pic - 39 entries, 39 starts
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Can't believe Irvine is on that list!
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Simtek wrote:
watka wrote:Of the current drivers, Valtteri Bottas has started the most races (38) without being awarded ROTR. I wonder if there are any retired drivers that were never ROTR that have a higher number of starts over the existence of F1 Rejects?

My research has produced the following drivers:

Timo Glock - 95 entries, 91 starts
Pedro de la Rosa - 83 entries, 81 starts from France 2000 onwards
Robert Kubica - 76 entries, 76 starts
Jean-Éric Vergne - 58 entries, 58 starts
Eddie Irvine - 43 entries, 42 starts from France 2000 onwards
Charles Pic - 39 entries, 39 starts

It makes me laugh that Pic is on that list. I mean, he drove for two full seasons in Formula 1 and his career was just as forgettable as Lucas di Grassi's :D So anonymous that he wasn't noticeable enough to win a ROTR
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Rob Dylan wrote:
Simtek wrote:
watka wrote:Of the current drivers, Valtteri Bottas has started the most races (38) without being awarded ROTR. I wonder if there are any retired drivers that were never ROTR that have a higher number of starts over the existence of F1 Rejects?

My research has produced the following drivers:

Timo Glock - 95 entries, 91 starts
Pedro de la Rosa - 83 entries, 81 starts from France 2000 onwards
Robert Kubica - 76 entries, 76 starts
Jean-Éric Vergne - 58 entries, 58 starts
Eddie Irvine - 43 entries, 42 starts from France 2000 onwards
Charles Pic - 39 entries, 39 starts

It makes me laugh that Pic is on that list. I mean, he drove for two full seasons in Formula 1 and his career was just as forgettable as Lucas di Grassi's :D So anonymous that he wasn't noticeable enough to win a ROTR

So Pic was never Enoch's pic for ROTR?! :shock:
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Simtek wrote:It makes me laugh that Pic is on that list. I mean, he drove for two full seasons in Formula 1 and his career was just as forgettable as Lucas di Grassi's :D So anonymous that he wasn't noticeable enough to win a ROTR

So Pic was never Enoch's pic for ROTR?! :shock:

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I'm new here, so what did Schumacher do to be #1 on that list? Was it Jerez '97?
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It was not one single incident (the website & RotR award didn't exist in 1997), just that over 14 years Schumacher accumulated more RotR awards than anyone else. Possibly part of the reason was that as a 7 time World Champion, he set such high standards for himself that any blunder was likely to be punished with RotR, whereas a lesser driver might have been let off. He'd already amassed 5.5 RotRs in his 1st career IIRC, but he obviously became a huge target in his comeback.

The full list of races where Schumacher got RotR:
USA 2002 (shared with Barrichello)
Malaysia 2003
Monaco 2004
China 2004
Monaco 2006
Hungary 2006
Canada 2010
Hungary 2010
Turkey 2011
Germany 2011 (shared with Vettel)
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I'm surprised he didn't get a RotR for Singapore '12. He seemed to have the crappiest luck there.
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IIRC he was let of for that race because Enoch got fed up of giving it to him all the time.

Edit: I found his original post when he awarded it to Karthikeyan instead:

eytl wrote:I'm rather amazed at how the same nominees have kept cropping up - not unjustifiably - every round this year. I couldn't be more bored considering Michael Schumacher for ROTR even if it were Nick Heidfeld up for nomination ...

Not that it's much of an excuse, but at least Schumacher had the excuse of being caught out on the first lap after a restart, with two cars in front of him providing a distraction, and with old age partly to blame as well. And as for the likes of Mark Webber ... well his hopelessness ever since I wrote that article is, um, fodder for another article in itself (or maybe just the Season Review).

In the end I've gone for Narain Karthikeyan, just because I can. Because that crash happened all on his own, mid-race. Because it was all just so ... gormless. As pasta_maldonado has described, because it was "reject gold".

Harsh maybe, but better than another Schumi award. We don't want him running away on the ROTR leaderboard ...
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Updated for Malaysia. Marcus Ericsson joints the leaderboard in joint 54th.
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Simtek wrote:
watka wrote:Of the current drivers, Valtteri Bottas has started the most races (38) without being awarded ROTR. I wonder if there are any retired drivers that were never ROTR that have a higher number of starts over the existence of F1 Rejects?

My research has produced the following drivers:

Timo Glock - 95 entries, 91 starts
Pedro de la Rosa - 83 entries, 81 starts from France 2000 onwards
Robert Kubica - 76 entries, 76 starts
Jean-Éric Vergne - 58 entries, 58 starts
Eddie Irvine - 43 entries, 42 starts from France 2000 onwards
Charles Pic - 39 entries, 39 starts



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I'm surpried Vergne never received ROTR for Valencia 2012. One of the rare instances where I remember Autosport giving a driver a 0/10 rating.
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IIRC Enoch refrained on that occasion because he made the race more exciting by bringing out the safety car.
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