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Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season

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To start a new season and avoid having to trawl through endless pages of drivel, here is a new thread for a new season!

1951 Calendar
May 27th - Monaco Grand Prix (Monte Carlo)
May 30th - Indianapolis 500 (Indianapolis)
June 17th - Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
July 1st - French Grand Prix (Reims-Gueux)
July 15th - British Grand Prix (Silverstone)
July 29th - German Grand Prix (Nürburgring)
August 12th - Dutch Grand Prix (Zandvoort)
September 9th - Italian Grand Prix (Monza)

Current driver lineups
Ferrari America
Luigi Villoresi (ITA) - Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Italy
Harry Schell (USA) - Britain, Germany, Netherlands
Reg Parnell (GBR) - Britain
Louis Chiron (MON) - Monaco
Troy Ruttman (USA) - Indianapolis 500, Italy
Joie Chitwood (USA) - Indianapolis 500
Jimmy Jackson (USA) - Indianapolis 500
Cecil Green (USA) - Indianapolis 500
Peter Whitehead (GBR) - Italy

Scuderia Ferrari
Dorino Serafini (ITA) - all except Indianapolis
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI) - all except Indianapolis
Peter Whitehead (GBR) - Monaco, France, Great Britain, Netherlands
Reg Parnell (GBR) - Indianapolis 500, Belgium, Germany, Italy
Jimmy Davies (USA) - Indianapolis 500

Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing
Bob Gerard (GBR) - Monaco
Philippe Etancelin (FRA) - Monaco
Eugène Martin (FRA) - Monaco
Paul Frère (BEL) - Monaco
Maurice Trintignant (FRA) - Britain
Mauri Rose (USA) - Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Paul Pietsch (GER) - Germany, Netherlands, Italy

Scuderia Platé-Varzi
Luigi Fagioli (ITA) - Belgium (RIP)
Hans von Stuck (GER) - Monaco, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands
Chico Landi (BRA) - France
Brian Shawe-Taylor (GBR) - Britain
André Pilette (BEL) - Italy
Manuel Ayulo (USA) - Indianapolis 500
Bob Sweikert (USA) - Indianapolis 500
Duke Dinsmore (USA) - Indianapolis 500
Onofre Marinon (ARG) - Italy
Georges Grignard (FRA) - Netherlands
Lance Macklin (GBR) - Italy
Piero Dusio (ITA) - Italy

Alexander Racing Team
Robert Manzon (FRA) - Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Netherlands, Italy
Tony Bettenhausen (USA) - all except Indianapolis
Yves Giraud-Cabantous (FRA) - Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain (RIP)
Consalvo Sanesi (ITA) - Monaco, Belgium, Britain, Germany, Netherlands

Ecurie Nationale Belge
Scuderia Belgio
Maurice Trintignant (FRA) - Monaco, Belgium, France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
André Pilette (BEL) - Monaco, Germany, Netherlands
Charles Van Acker (BEL) - Belgium
Eugène Chaboud (FRA) - France
Nello Pagani (ITA) - Italy

Equipe de France
Eugène Chaboud (FRA) - Monaco
André Pilette (BEL) - France

Garage Francorchamps
Jacques Swaters (BEL) - Monaco, Belgium, Italy
André Pilette (BEL) - Belgium
Bill Vukovich (USA) - Indianapolis 500
Charles Van Acker - Indianapolis 500
Roger Laurent (BEL) - Germany
Jan Flinterman (NED) - Netherlands

Motorsport Bleu
Pierre Levegh (FRA) - Monaco
Jack McGrath (USA) - Indianapolis 500
Duke Dinsmore (USA) - Indianapolis 500
B. Bira (THA) - Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Rudi Fischer (SUI) - Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Guy Mairesse (FRA) - Netherlands, Italy

Hampshire Racing Alliance
David Hampshire (GBR) - Monaco, Belgium, France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Peter Walker (GBR) - Britain

Alfa Romeo SpA
Giuseppe Farina (ITA) - all except Indianapolis
Juan Manuel Fangio (ARG) - all except Indianapolis
Stirling Moss (GBR) - all except Indianapolis
Paul Pietsch (GER) - Monaco
Mauri Rose (USA) - Indianapolis 500
Myron Fohr (USA) - Indianapolis 500

Scuderia Maremmana
Clemente Biondetti (ITA) - Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Italy
Manfred von Brauchitsch (GER) - Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Italy
Tony Rolt (GBR) - Britain
Felice Bonetto (ITA) - Italy
Art Cross (USA) - Indianapolis 500

Phoenix Racing Organisation
Alberto Ascari (ITA) - all except Indianapolis
José Froilan Gonzalez (ARG) - all except Indianapolis

Ecurie Albertini
Georges Grignard (FRA) - Belgium, France
Andy Linden (USA) - Indianapolis 500

Team Metcalf GP
Piero Taruffi (ITA) - all except Indianapolis
Henry Banks (USA) - Indianapolis 500
Paul Frère (BEL) - Belgium

Scuderia Commesso
Georges Grignard (FRA) - Monaco
Chico Landi (BRA) - Monaco, Belgium, Britain, Germany, Italy
Louis Chiron (MON) - France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Dries van der Lof (NED) - Indianapolis 500, Netherlands

Claes Racing Developments
Johnny Claes (BEL) - all except Indianapolis
André Simon (FRA) - all except Indianapolis
Johnny McDowell (USA) - Indianapolis 500

Scuderia Ambrosiana
Giovanni Bracco (ITA) - Monaco, Belgium, France, Netherlands, Italy
Franco Cortese (ITA) - Netherlands, Italy
Giovanni Lurani (ITA) - Italy
Porfirio Rubirosa (DOM) - Italy

Redman Racing Team
Franco Rol (ITA) - Monaco, Belgium, France
Louis Rosier (FRA) - Netherlands, Italy

Robert William Racing Team
Duke Nalon (USA) - Indianapolis
Mike Nazaruk (USA) - Indianapolis

America Motorsport Team
Walt Brown (USA) - Indianapolis
Carl Forberg (USA) - Indianapolis
Bill Schindler (USA) - Indianapolis
Mack Hellings (USA) - Indianapolis

Rodger Ward
Rodger Ward (USA) - Indianapolis

All-Ireland Motorsport
Joe Kelly (IRL) - Britain, Netherlands, Italy

Aldo Gordini
Aldo Gordini (FRA) - Belgium, France

Graham Whitehead
Graham Whitehead (GBR) - Belgium

Louis Gérard
Louis Gérard (FRA) - France

Geoff Richardson
Geoff Richardson (GBR) - Britain

British Racing Motors
David Hampshire (GBR) - Britain
David Murray (GBR) - Germany

Team Bentley
Bob Gerard (GBR) - Germany
Geoff Richardson (GBR) - Germany, Netherlands

Daily Express
Graham Whitehead (GBR) - Germany

Rudolf Caracciola
Rudolf Caracciola (GER) - Germany

OSCA Automobili
Jean Behra (FRA) - Italy

Maria Teresa de Filippis
Maria Teresa de Filippis (ITA)

Here's how things will work for 1951. For the first race, teams will be allowed a maximum of four entries, regardless of their position. On the basis of the entrants championship after the race and discounting the Indy 500 for this purpose only, Teams in the top third will be granted 18 entries for the season, teams in the middle third 12 entries and teams in the bottom third 6 entries. The entries will be used in any way the teams wish, with a maximum of four cars per race. Should a team move thirds throughout the year, the allocation will be modified as the organisers see fit.

I'll open up a new concept. All entry lists will open at the same time and will close when I start to work out qualifying for the race, so you have more time to think your lineups through the further you go in the season. The 40-car limit will stand, and the same system will be used for grid sizes, which will be shown next to the Grand Prix's name on the entry lists. As for licenses, the start of a new season means the re-issue of licenses. State your entries, and I will simply accept or reject before the race, after the preceding event.

Monaco Grand Prix entry list - 20 starters
1. Clemente Biondetti (Scuderia Maremmana)
2. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Scuderia Maremmana)
3. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
4. José Froilan Gonzalez (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
5. David Hampshire (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
6. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA)
7. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo SpA)
8. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA)
9. Paul Pietsch (Alfa Romeo SpA)
10. Hans von Stuck (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
11. Dorino Serafini (Scuderia Ferrari)
12. Toulo de Graffenried (Scuderia Ferrari)
13. Peter Whitehead (Scuderia Ferrari)
14. Eugène Martin (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
15. Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari America)
16. Louis Chiron (Ferrari America)
17. Bob Gerard (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
18. Philippe Etancelin (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
19. Maurice Trintignant (Scuderia Belgio)
20. André Pilette (Scuderia Belgio)
21. Eugène Chaboud (Equipe de France)
22. Tony Bettenhausen (Alexander Racing Team)
23. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team)
24. Yves Giraud-Cabantous (Alexander Racing Team)
25. Consalvo Sanesi (Alexander Racing Team)
26. Paul Frère (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
27. Pierre Levegh (Motorsport Bleu)
28. Piero Taruffi (Team Metcalf GP)
29. Georges Grignard (Scuderia Commesso)
30. Chico Landi (Scuderia Commesso)
31. Johnny Claes (Claes Racing Developments)
32. André Simon (Claes Racing Developments)
33. Giovanni Bracco (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
34. Jacques Swaters (Garage Francorchamps)
35. Franco Rol (Redman Racing Team)

Indianapolis 500 entry list - 33 starters
1. Art Cross (Scuderia Maremmana)
2. Johnny Mauro (Privateer)
3. Al Miller (Privateer)
4. Lee Wallard (Privateer)
5. Ralph Pratt (Privateer)
6. Bobby Ball (Privateer)
7. Manuel Ayulo (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
8. Andy Linden (Ecurie Albertini)
9. Reg Parnell (Scuderia Ferrari)
10. Joie Chitwood (Ferrari America)
11. Jimmy Jackson (Ferrari America)
12. Cecil Green (Ferrari America)
13. Mauri Rose (Alfa Romeo SpA)
14. Myron Fohr (Alfa Romeo SpA)
15. Bill Vukovich (Garage Francorchamps)
16. Charles Van Acker (Garage Francorchamps)
17. Jack McGrath (Motorsport Bleu)
18. Duke Dinsmore (Motorsport Bleu)
19. Johnny McDowell (Claes Racing Developments)
20. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari America)
21. Mike Hawthorn (Privateer)
22. Tony Gaze (Privateer)
23. Duke Nalon (Robert William Racing Team)
24. Mike Nazaruk (Robert William Racing Team)
25. Walt Brown (America Motorsport Team)
26. Carl Forberg (America Motorsport Team)
27. Bill Schindler (America Motorsport Team)
28. Mack Hellings (America Motorsport Team)
29. Bob Sweikert (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
30. Duke Dinsmore (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
31. Dries van der Lof (Scuderia Commesso)
32. Henry Banks (Team Metcalf GP)
33. Jimmy Davies (Scuderia Ferrari)
34. Rodger Ward (Privateer)

Belgian Grand Prix entry list - 34 starters
1. Clemente Biondetti (Scuderia Maremmana)
2. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Scuderia Maremmana)
3. Aldo Gordini (Privateer)
4. Graham Whitehead (Privateer)
5. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
6. José Froilan Gonzalez (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
7. David Hampshire (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
8. Hans von Stuck (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
9. Georges Grignard (Ecurie Albertini)
10. Dorino Serafini (Scuderia Ferrari)
11. Toulo de Graffenried (Scuderia Ferrari)
12. Reg Parnell (Scuderia Ferrari)
13. Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari America)
14. Maurice Trintignant (Scuderia Belgio)
15. Charles Van Acker (Scuderia Belgio)
16. Jacques Swaters (Garage Francorchamps)
17. Tony Bettenhausen (Alexander Racing Team)
18. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team)
19. Yves Giraud-Cabantous (Alexander Racing Team)
20. Consalvo Sanesi (Alexander Racing Team)
21. Piero Taruffi (Team Metcalf GP)
22. Johnny Claes (Claes Racing Developments)
23. André Simon (Claes Racing Developments)
24. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA)
25. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo SpA)
26. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA)
27. Franco Rol (Redman Racing Team)
28. Luigi Fagioli (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
29. Chico Landi (Scuderia Commesso)
30. Paul Frère (Team Metcalf GP)
31. B. Bira (Motorsport Bleu)
32. Giovanni Bracco (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
33. André Pilette (Garage Francorchamps)

French Grand Prix entry list - 28 starters
1. Clemente Biondetti (Scuderia Maremmana)
2. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Scuderia Maremmana)
3. Aldo Gordini (Privateer)
4. Louis Gérard (Privateer)
5. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
6. José Froilan Gonzalez (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
7. David Hampshire (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
8. Chico Landi (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
9. Georges Grignard (Ecurie Albertini)
10. Dorino Serafini (Scuderia Ferrari)
11. Toulo de Graffenried (Scuderia Ferrari)
12. Peter Whitehead (Scuderia Ferrari)
13. Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari America)
14. Maurice Trintignant (Scuderia Belgio)
15. Eugène Chaboud (Scuderia Belgio)
16. Tony Bettenhausen (Alexander Racing Team)
17. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team)
18. Yves Giraud-Cabantous (Alexander Racing Team)
19. Piero Taruffi (Team Metcalf GP)
20. Johnny Claes (Claes Racing Developments)
21. André Simon (Claes Racing Developments)
22. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA)
23. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo SpA)
24. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA)
25. Franco Rol (Redman Racing Team)
26. Louis Chiron (Scuderia Commesso)
27. Giovanni Bracco (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
28. B. Bira (Motorsport Bleu)
29. André Pilette (Equipe de France)

British Grand Prix entry list - 22 starters
1. Clemente Biondetti (Scuderia Maremmana)
2. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Scuderia Maremmana)
3. Tony Rolt (Scuderia Maremmana)
4. Geoff Richardson (Privateer)
5. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
6. José Froilan Gonzalez (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
7. Peter Walker (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
8. Brian Shawe-Taylor (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
9. Dorino Serafini (Scuderia Ferrari)
10. Toulo de Graffenried (Scuderia Ferrari)
11. Peter Whitehead (Scuderia Ferrari)
12. Maurice Trintignant (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
13. Reg Parnell (Ferrari America)
14. Tony Bettenhausen (Alexander Racing Team)
15. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team)
16. Yves Giraud-Cabantous (Alexander Racing Team)
17. Consalvo Sanesi (Alexander Racing Team)
18. Piero Taruffi (Team Metcalf GP)
19. Johnny Claes (Claes Racing Developments)
20. André Simon (Claes Racing Developments)
21. Harry Schell (Ferrari America)
22. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA)
23. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo SpA)
24. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA)
25. Mike Hawthorn (Privateer)
26. Tony Gaze (Privateer)
27. Chico Landi (Scuderia Commesso)
28. B. Bira (Motorsport Bleu)
29. Joe Kelly (All-Ireland Motorsport)
30. David Hampshire (British Racing Motors)
31. Louis Chiron (Scuderia Commesso)
32. Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari America)
33. Mauri Rose (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)

German Grand Prix entry list - 34 starters
1. Clemente Biondetti (Scuderia Maremmana)
2. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Scuderia Maremmana)
3. Graham Whitehead (Daily Express)
4. Rudolf Caracciola (Privateer)
5. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
6. José Froilan Gonzalez (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
7. David Hampshire (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
8. Hans von Stuck (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
9. Dorino Serafini (Scuderia Ferrari)
10. Toulo de Graffenried (Scuderia Ferrari)
11. Reg Parnell (Scuderia Ferrari)
12. Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari America)
13. Maurice Trintignant (Scuderia Belgio)
14. Tony Bettenhausen (Alexander Racing Team)
15. Consalvo Sanesi (Alexander Racing Team)
16. Johnny Claes (Claes Racing Developments)
17. André Simon (Claes Racing Developments)
18. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA)
19. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo SpA)
20. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA)
21. Tony Gaze (Privateer)
22. Chico Landi (Scuderia Commesso)
23. B. Bira (Motorsport Bleu)
24. Piero Taruffi (Team Metcalf GP)
25. André Pilette (Scuderia Belgio)
26. Roger Laurent (Garage Francorchamps)
27. Louis Chiron (Scuderia Commesso)
28. Harry Schell (Ferrari America)
29. Mauri Rose (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
30. Rudi Fischer (Motorsport Bleu)
31. David Murray (British Racing Motors)
32. Paul Pietsch (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
33. Bob Gerard (Team Bentley)
34. Geoff Richardson (Team Bentley)

Dutch Grand Prix entry list - 22 starters
1. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
2. José Froilan Gonzalez (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
3. David Hampshire (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
4. Hans von Stuck (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
5. Dorino Serafini (Scuderia Ferrari)
6. Toulo de Graffenried (Scuderia Ferrari)
7. Peter Whitehead (Scuderia Ferrari)
8. Paul Pietsch (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
9. Harry Schell (Ferrari America)
10. Maurice Trintignant (Scuderia Belgio)
11. André Pilette (Scuderia Belgio)
12. Tony Bettenhausen (Alexander Racing Team)
13. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team)
14. Consalvo Sanesi (Alexander Racing Team)
15. Johnny Claes (Claes Racing Developments)
16. André Simon (Claes Racing Developments)
17. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA)
18. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo SpA)
19. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA)
20. Tony Gaze (Privateer)
21. Louis Rosier (Redman Racing Team)
22. Georges Grignard (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
23. Giovanni Bracco (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
24. B. Bira (Motorsport Bleu)
25. Piero Taruffi (Team Metcalf GP)
26. Joe Kelly (All-Ireland Motorsport)
27. Jan Flinterman (Garage Francorchamps)
28. Louis Chiron (Scuderia Commesso)
29. Dries van der Lof (Scuderia Commesso)
30. Mauri Rose (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
31. Rudi Fischer (Motorsport Bleu)
32. Guy Mairesse (Motorsport Bleu)
33. Geoff Richardson (Team Bentley)
34. Giovanni Lurani (Scuderia Ambrosiana)

Italian Grand Prix entry list - 26 starters
1. Clemente Biondetti (Scuderia Maremmana)
2. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Scuderia Maremmana)
3. Felice Bonetto (Scuderia Maremmana)
4. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
5. José Froilan Gonzalez (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
6. David Hampshire (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
7. André Pilette (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
8. Dorino Serafini (Scuderia Ferrari)
9. Toulo de Graffenried (Scuderia Ferrari)
10. Reg Parnell (Scuderia Ferrari)
11. Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari America)
12. Maurice Trintignant (Scuderia Belgio)
13. Nello Pagani (Scuderia Belgio)
14. Tony Bettenhausen (Alexander Racing Team)
15. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team)
16. Piero Taruffi (Team Metcalf GP)
17. Johnny Claes (Claes Racing Developments)
18. André Simon (Claes Racing Developments)
19. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA)
20. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo SpA)
21. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA)
22. Mike Hawthorn (Privateer)
23. Tony Gaze (Privateer)
24. Louis Rosier (Redman Racing Team)
25. Onofre Marimon (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
26. Chico Landi (Scuderia Commesso)
27. Giovanni Bracco (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
28. Franco Cortese (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
29. B. Bira (Motorsport Bleu)
30. Joe Kelly (All-Ireland Motorsport)
31. Jacques Swaters (Garage Francorchamps)
32. Louis Chiron (Scuderia Commesso)
33. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari America)
34. Mauri Rose (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
35. Paul Pietsch (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
36. Rudi Fischer (Motorsport Bleu)
37. Peter Whitehead (Ferrari America)
38. Giovanni Lurani (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
39. Porfirio Rubirosa (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
40. Lance Macklin (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
41. Piero Dusio (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
42. Guy Mairesse (Motorsport Bleu)
43. Jean Behra (OSCA Automobili)
44. Maria Teresa de Filippis (Privateer)
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Question about them rules: are we going to go with the real-life rules of 1952 (i.e. F2 cars are legal too) or are we going to make the engine change for 1954 two years earlier?

Aside from that - so we are supposed to do all of our entries ahead? If so...

Monaco Grand Prix:
Clemente Biondetti - Scuderia Maremmana
Manfred von Brauchitsch - Scuderia Maremmana

Indianapolis 500:
Art Cross - Scuderia Maremmana

Belgium Grand Prix:
Clemente Biondetti - Scuderia Maremmana
Manfred von Brauchitsch - Scuderia Maremmana

French Grand Prix:
Clemente Biondetti - Scuderia Maremmana
Manfred von Brauchitsch - Scuderia Maremmana

British Grand Prix:
Clemente Biondetti - Scuderia Maremmana
Manfred von Brauchitsch - Scuderia Maremmana
Tony Rolt - Scuderia Maremmana

German Grand Prix:
Clemente Biondetti - Scuderia Maremmana
Manfred von Brauchitsch - Scuderia Maremmana

Italian Grand Prix:
Clemente Biondetti - Scuderia Maremmana
Manfred von Brauchitsch - Scuderia Maremmana
Felice Bonetto - Scuderia Maremmana
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As like last year I will not be running a team but would like to enter privateers in where I see fit, on that basis could I reserve at least 2 qualification slots?

For the Indy 500 last year I entered somewhere in the region of 20 privateers for two reasons.

1 - The Indy 500 generally consisted of American drivers who generally were privateers or races for same teams. I think all the years the the Indy 500 was part of the F1 World Championships about 6 drivers who were not american attempted to qualify for the Indy 500.
2 - The Indy 500 has a large number of qualifiers, more so then any F1 event.

I would like to reserve at least Johnny Mauro, Al Miller, Lee Wallard, Ralph Pratt and Bobby Ball for Indy 500 qualification. I will just for the sake of completeness like to enter more American drivers nearer the time.
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Enter both Ascari and González for all rounds. And my team will use Offenhauser engines for the Indy 500, AND we're switching to Ferrari power for this year after difficult and prolonged negotiations for the rest of the rounds, in an attempt to make our cars more competitive, using a brand new P-02 chassis.
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David Hampshire will contest all races apart from the Indy 500 this season with the HRA. A local driver (most likely to be Peter Walker if possible), will join him in a second car for a one-off outing at Silverstone.
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Klon wrote:Question about them rules: are we going to go with the real-life rules of 1952 (i.e. F2 cars are legal too) or are we going to make the engine change for 1954 two years earlier?



Also, this season will be entirely based on our 1950 season performances (which means no more connections with real life)? And how will you evaluate new/up-coming drivers talent (which existed in real life)?


Alfa Romeo SpA entries for Monaco
- Giuseppe Farina (ITA)
- Juan Manuel Fangio (ARG)
- Stirling Moss (GBR)
- Paul Pietsch (GER)
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DanielPT wrote:
Klon wrote:Question about them rules: are we going to go with the real-life rules of 1952 (i.e. F2 cars are legal too) or are we going to make the engine change for 1954 two years earlier?



Also, this season will be entirely based on our 1950 season performances (which means no more connections with real life)? And how will you evaluate new/up-coming drivers talent (which existed in real life)?


Alfa Romeo SpA entries for Monaco
- Giuseppe Farina (ITA)
- Juan Manuel Fangio (ARG)
- Stirling Moss (GBR)
- Paul Pietsch (GER)

Simple. Their "talent" will depend on their first results, which pretty much depends on luck. Michael Schumacher could turn out to be a no-name reject and Alex Yoong a multiple-time world champion ;)

As for engines, I don't think I will change engines for now. I may change the regulations at some point, but not for the time being.
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Scuderia Platé-Varzi will enter von Stuck at the following races (pending any license trouble)

Monaco, Spa, Nuburgring, Zaandvoort

And also will enter

Manuel "Manny' Ayulo - Indy 500 (with a Kuzma Indy Roadster, only time the team will not use a Maserati)
Brian Shawe-Taylor - Silverstone
Chico Landi - Reims-Gueux

(Landi and Shawe-Taylor are the top replacement drivers for the team if von Stuck cannot race one of its allocated races)

So, for the 1951 Monaco GP, Scuderia Platé-Varzi runs
Hans von Stuck (GER) - Maserati 4CL/48
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tommykl wrote:
DanielPT wrote:
Klon wrote:Question about them rules: are we going to go with the real-life rules of 1952 (i.e. F2 cars are legal too) or are we going to make the engine change for 1954 two years earlier?



Also, this season will be entirely based on our 1950 season performances (which means no more connections with real life)? And how will you evaluate new/up-coming drivers talent (which existed in real life)?


Alfa Romeo SpA entries for Monaco
- Giuseppe Farina (ITA)
- Juan Manuel Fangio (ARG)
- Stirling Moss (GBR)
- Paul Pietsch (GER)

Simple. Their "talent" will depend on their first results, which pretty much depends on luck. Michael Schumacher could turn out to be a no-name reject and Alex Yoong a multiple-time world champion ;)

As for engines, I don't think I will change engines for now. I may change the regulations at some point, but not for the time being.


Don't they get more odds to perform well in the first race if having a decent lower formula background, i.e., having been champion before in other series? I think this gives one more chance to perform than others...
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Oh, I forgot Monza...

Anyway, if I may to be allowed a little add-on, if André Pilette is available, he will run for the team at the Italian race
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DanielPT wrote:
tommykl wrote:
DanielPT wrote:Also, this season will be entirely based on our 1950 season performances (which means no more connections with real life)? And how will you evaluate new/up-coming drivers talent (which existed in real life)?


Alfa Romeo SpA entries for Monaco
- Giuseppe Farina (ITA)
- Juan Manuel Fangio (ARG)
- Stirling Moss (GBR)
- Paul Pietsch (GER)

Simple. Their "talent" will depend on their first results, which pretty much depends on luck. Michael Schumacher could turn out to be a no-name reject and Alex Yoong a multiple-time world champion ;)

As for engines, I don't think I will change engines for now. I may change the regulations at some point, but not for the time being.


Don't they get more odds to perform well in the first race if having a decent lower formula background, i.e., having been champion before in other series? I think this gives one more chance to perform than others...

I might give a slight bonus, but not a huge amount, to show the difference in performance between the cars. I'm also thinking of adding a more random PA bonus/disadvantage to newer cars, but I haven't figured out how to do it yet.
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FantometteBR wrote:Oh, I forgot Monza...

Anyway, if I may to be allowed a little add-on, if André Pilette is available, he will run for the team at the Italian race

You can edit you entries until I say the entry list is closed ;)
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tommykl wrote:
DanielPT wrote:Don't they get more odds to perform well in the first race if having a decent lower formula background, i.e., having been champion before in other series? I think this gives one more chance to perform than others...

I might give a slight bonus, but not a huge amount, to show the difference in performance between the cars. I'm also thinking of adding a more random PA bonus/disadvantage to newer cars, but I haven't figured out how to do it yet.



I say it might depends. If the rules don't change, for bigger and historical teams the odds (about 80% to be a step forward and 20% to be a step backwards) are for small bonuses (Which should be small random regardless of teams) each time a new car is launched (since they keep developing the car and such, probably with bigger variation (meaning the possibility of a larger bonus/disadvantage if new technical staff is hired). If there is a revamp in rules then I say about 50-50 if the team changed recently its technical staff (Design, Engineering and Engine if available) with an increase in 10% for one of these sides depending on how the hired staff (if stayed mostly the same during the "dealt" with previous regulation revamp. The bonus/disadvantage are also bigger than those dealt when there are no major rule changes. I think I might over complicated it, but I think it is slightly more realistic this way. And also introduces a new parameter (which I find interesting) in the game: the technical staff. Did I overdid it?
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season

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line ups
Monaco
Johnny Claes (BEL)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
Indy 500
Johnny McDowell (USA)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
Belgium
Johnny Claes (BEL)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
French
Johnny Claes (BEL)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
British
Johnny Claes (BEL)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
German
Johnny Claes (BEL)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
Dutch
Johnny Claes (BEL)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
Italian
Johnny Claes (BEL)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
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Ecurie Albertini will enter Georges Grignard at Swiss, Belgian and French Grand Prix with a Talbot-Lago T26C.
They will also enter Andy Linden at Indianapolis 500 with Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser.
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The Lukas wrote:line ups
Monaco
Johnny Claes (BEL)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
Indy 500
Johnny McDowell (USA)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
Belgium
Johnny Claes (BEL)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
French
Johnny Claes (BEL)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
British
Johnny Claes (BEL)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
German
Johnny Claes (BEL)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
Dutch
Johnny Claes (BEL)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)
Italian
Johnny Claes (BEL)
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI)

De Graffenried is already driving for Ferrari :roll:

Pointrox wrote:Ecurie Albertini will enter Leon Albertini at Swiss, Belgian and French Grand Prix with a Talbot-Lago T26C.
They will also enter John Carl Albert at Indianapolis 500 with Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser.

Only real drivers are allowed ;)
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tommykl wrote:
Pointrox wrote:Ecurie Albertini will enter Leon Albertini at Swiss, Belgian and French Grand Prix with a Talbot-Lago T26C.
They will also enter John Carl Albert at Indianapolis 500 with Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser.

Only real drivers are allowed ;)

Fixed :D
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Pointrox wrote:
tommykl wrote:
Pointrox wrote:Ecurie Albertini will enter Leon Albertini at Swiss, Belgian and French Grand Prix with a Talbot-Lago T26C.
They will also enter John Carl Albert at Indianapolis 500 with Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser.

Only real drivers are allowed ;)

Fixed :D

Entry list updated, but I believe you have failed to see that there is no Swiss Grand Prix, as it has been replaced by the Monaco Grand Prix ;)
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Ferrari will enter Dorino Serafini and Toulo de Graffenried for every race (except Indy), and Parnell and Whitehead in what I said in the other thread.
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Eugene Martin will enter all races but Indianapolis as stated in your first post. I'll figure out the fourth driver when I find a name, but if anyone wants to join the team for a spare amount of races then be my guest.
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Ferrari America will enter Luigi Villoresi for all rounds (except the Indy) in the modified 1950 Ferrari chassis. Due to the date clash with the Indianpolis 500, and the importance of entries, for Monaco Ferrari America will enter recently released Louis Chiron

For the Indy 500, using the old Kurtis Kraft chassis and Offenhauser engine, we will enter, Joie Chitwood, Jimmy Jackson and Cecil Green once again.
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JeremyMcClean wrote:Eugene Martin will enter all races but Indianapolis as stated in your first post. I'll figure out the fourth driver when I find a name, but if anyone wants to join the team for a spare amount of races then be my guest.


According to my calculations teams don't need a fourth driver for the rest of season unless they want to skip races or field a maximum of 2 drivers at some races...

By the way, Alfa Romeo SpA confirms Rose and Fohr presence in the Indianapolis 500. The car will be a development of the Alfa created specifically for the 1950 Indy 500.
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Bob Gerard and Philippe Etancelin will also be on the entry Los Thor every round except Indy
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May 27th - Monaco Grand Prix (Monte Carlo)
car 1 - Scuderia Belgio - Alfa Romeo - Maurice Trintignant
car 2 - Scuderia Belgio - Alfa Romeo - André Pilette
car 3 - Équipe De France - Bugatti - Eugène Chaboud
car 4 - Garage Francorchamps - Maserati - Jacques Swaters

May 30th - Indianapolis 500 (Indianapolis)
car 1 - Garage Francorchamps - Ferrari - Bill Vukovic
car 2 - Garage Francorchamps - Ferrari - Charles Van Acker

June 17th - Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
car 1 - Scuderia Belgio - Alfa Romeo - Maurice Trintignant
car 2 - Scuderia Belgio - Alfa Romeo - Charles Van Acker
car 3 - Garage Francorchamps - Ferrari - Jacques Swaters
car 4 - Garage Francorchamps - Ferrari - André Pilette


July 1st - French Grand Prix (Reims-Gueux)
car 1 - Scuderia Belgio - Alfa Romeo - Maurice Trintignant
car 2 - Scuderia Belgio - Alfa Romeo - Eugène Chaboud
car 3 - Équipe De France - Bugatti - André Pilette


July 15th - British Grand Prix (Silverstone)
car 1 - British Racing Motors - BRM - David Hampshire


July 29th - German Grand Prix (Nürburgring)
car 1 - Scuderia Belgio - Alfa Romeo - Maurice Trintignant
car 2 - Scuderia Belgio - Alfa Romeo - André Pilette
car 3 - Garage Francorchamps - Ferrari - Roger Laurent
car 4 - British Racing Motors - BRM - David Murray

August 12th - Dutch Grand Prix (Zandvoort)
car 1 - Scuderia Belgio - Alfa Romeo - Maurice Trintignant
car 2 - Scuderia Belgio - Alfa Romeo - André Pilette
car 3 - Garage Francorchamps - Ferrari - Jan Flinterman
car 4 - British Racing Motors - BRM - David Murray

September 9th - Italian Grand Prix (Monza)
car 1 - Scuderia Belgio - Alfa Romeo - Maurice Trintignant
car 2 - Scuderia Belgio - Alfa Romeo - Nello Pagani
car 3 - Garage Francorchamps - Ferrari - Charles De Tornaco

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You've left my cars out of the Indy 500 entry list. We're running with Offenhauser engines for this round only. Check it out ;)
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Phoenix wrote:You've left my cars out of the Indy 500 entry list. We're running with Offenhauser engines for this round only. Check it out ;)


And you've left out article 3.1 of the new regulations ;)
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ART sign Sanesi

Mr.Lilly and Amédee Gordini today announced the signing of their fourth driver, Italian Consalvo Sanesi, after his impressive podium at Monza. "We're delighted to complete our line-up for 1951. Tony continued to improve in his races for us, and we will never forget his 2nd place at Switzerland. Robert had a few issues last year with mechanical problems and crashes, but has still be impressive. Yves-Giraud impressed immediately and Consalvo has a lot of potential."

With ART ending the year strongly, the team are bringing an updated chassis and engine to the first race, hoping the performances from the previous year remain the same.


All four drivers will be racing in every event except Indy. We won't enter a privateer for Indy.

Also, will there be a constructors championship this year?
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Pillette will be run with a yellow strip in his car, if he is allowed to take part at Italian race. Platé-Varzi crew just informed ENB direction.
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FantometteBR wrote:Pillette will be run with a yellow strip in his car, if he is allowed to take part at Italian race. Platé-Varzi crew just informed ENB direction.

Then we have a deal.
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Found a couple of people for the Jaguar-Aston Martin team!
Paul Frère is to run every race but Indy (so the team can run in Monaco) and Belgium due to contractual reasons. André Pilette is to race for the team in Belgium.

(This is based on this post in the 1950 thread, please correct me if I'm wrong)
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Are there any drivers I can sign for my own team.
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Are any of these drivers free agents? Piero Taruffi, Luigi Villoresi, or Andre Simon?
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wmetcalf68 wrote:Are any of these drivers free agents? Piero Taruffi, Luigi Villoresi, or Andre Simon?
(Please answer my question)


As far as I know Taruffi has not yet been confirmed anywhere for 1951, but he was at Maserati. The other 2 are not free.
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tommykl wrote:As for engines, I don't think I will change engines for now. I may change the regulations at some point, but not for the time being.


Well, the thing is Mercedes' entry in F1 is directly related to said change of the engine rules so I need to know because - this is important for everyone - I call first dibs on being the major-priority Mercedes customer team. :mrgreen:
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Wizzie wrote:
Phoenix wrote:You've left my cars out of the Indy 500 entry list. We're running with Offenhauser engines for this round only. Check it out ;)


And you've left out article 3.1 of the new regulations ;)


And where can I find those?
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Phoenix wrote:
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Phoenix wrote:You've left my cars out of the Indy 500 entry list. We're running with Offenhauser engines for this round only. Check it out ;)


And you've left out article 3.1 of the new regulations ;)


And where can I find those?


Basically, article 3.1 stipulates that while teams may enter the Indy 500, they cannot enter the same drivers that raced in the Monaco Grand Prix.
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Pierre Levegh will be third driver for Motorsport Bleu in Monaco. The team enters the Indianapolis 500 as well with two local drivers - Jack McGrath and Duke Dinsmore
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JeremyMcClean wrote:Found a couple of people for the Jaguar-Aston Martin team!
Paul Frère is to run every race but Indy (so the team can run in Monaco) and Belgium due to contractual reasons. André Pilette is to race for the team in Belgium.

(This is based on this post in the 1950 thread, please correct me if I'm wrong)


Sounds good, although Tommy has to confirm if they are experienced enough. But you can already start painting a yellow ribbon or stripe on your car.

Also i noticed that -as a true privateer outfit - it would be impossible to run the same cars in Monaco and Indy, therefore, i will run my 2 Ferrari's in indy instead, under the Garage Francorchamps name.
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eurobrun wrote:Are there any drivers I can sign for my own team.

tip: look in wikipedia for the 1951 season, chances are high that you'll find some usable drivers between them.

i will also update my post on page 1 with an 'availability list' of my drivers who don't drive a fulls season
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OK, I sign Bill Vukovich for the Indy 500 then.
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