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by James1978 05 Aug 2014, 22:52
I think current Mercedes and current Lotus should be different entities from the versions which originated in the 50s. Same with the 50s Alfa Romeo and the 70s/80s version. (And both versions of Renault too for that matter).

So Mercedes would be Malaysia 2010 and Lotus would be Bahrain 2012 I believe.

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by Simtek 06 Aug 2014, 00:20
James1978 wrote:I think current Mercedes and current Lotus should be different entities from the versions which originated in the 50s. Same with the 50s Alfa Romeo and the 70s/80s version. (And both versions of Renault too for that matter).

So Mercedes would be Malaysia 2010 and Lotus would be Bahrain 2012 I believe.

It is debatable. IIRC '80s Renault and Enstone Renault are considered the same team by the FIA. The same goes for '50s Mercedes and Brackley Mercedes and I think it's the same for Alfa Romeo too. There's also Honda which in its two incarnations is considered the same constructor. And then there's Lola, which had different incarnations in partnership with various teams (Yeoman Credit Racing, BMW, Embassy Racing, Haas-Lola, Larrousse, Scuderia Italia and of course its own Mastercard Lola). Although I think you're right about Lotus. Another example (which I admittedly didn't address) is BMW Sauber as I think the FIA consider them a seperate entity to the team that Peter set up. I will add Enstone Lotus and BMW to the list as their stats are listed seperately and it's probably best that the list reflects this. Worst comes to worst we can ask Enoch if it's not a waste of his time. :)

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by Simtek 24 May 2015, 14:43
List updated to include Daniil Kvyat's performance today. Once again, Russia has no reject drivers, a distinction it shares (among countries that have had F1 drivers) with Chile, Poland and Thailand. Kvyat is the 36th driver to unrejectify himself in Monaco, which has seen more unrejectifications than any other circuit.

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by Simtek 26 Jul 2015, 14:49
List updated to include Max Verstappen, the third Dutchman to unrejectify himself after his father Jos and the great Carel Godin de Beaufort before him. He is also the second driver to unrejectify himself driving for Toro Rosso, the first being Sebastian Vettel way back in China 2007. In addition, he is the second driver to unrejectify himself on the Hungaroring, the first being his own father 21 years ago in 1994.

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by Simtek 26 Jul 2015, 17:55
FullMetalJack wrote:Is Verstappen the first ever teenage unrejectification?

As a matter of fact, he is. The previous youngest was Vettel, who was 20 years and 3 months old when he unrejectified himself.

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by peteroli34 27 Jul 2015, 17:36
Simtek wrote:
FullMetalJack wrote:Is Verstappen the first ever teenage unrejectification?

As a matter of fact, he is. The previous youngest was Vettel, who was 20 years and 3 months old when he unrejectified himself.


By my calculations Vettel wasnt the youngest driver unrejectification who unrejectified himself on the 7th October 2007 96 days after his 20th Birthday. Jenson Button unrejectified himself of the 23 April 2000 95 days after his 20th Birthday

by Simtek 27 Jul 2015, 17:40
peteroli34 wrote:
Simtek wrote:
FullMetalJack wrote:Is Verstappen the first ever teenage unrejectification?

As a matter of fact, he is. The previous youngest was Vettel, who was 20 years and 3 months old when he unrejectified himself.


By my calculations Vettel wasnt the youngest driver unrejectification who unrejectified himself on the 7th October 2007 96 days after his 20th Birthday. Jenson Button unrejectified himself of the 23 April 2000 95 days after his 20th Birthday

Damn. I thought Button's birthday was earlier in January than it actually is. Still, that's an insanely small difference! :shock:

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by Simtek 11 Oct 2015, 14:21
With the news of Raikkonen's time penalty Felipe Nasr has been promoted to 6th place. This, coupled with his excellent 5th place in Melbourne, unrejectifies the Brazilian.

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by WeirdKerr 12 Oct 2015, 21:23
Simtek wrote:With the news of Raikkonen's time penalty Felipe Nasr has been promoted to 6th place. This, coupled with his excellent 5th place in Melbourne, unrejectifies the Brazilian.

does it still count though if he only got the 6th spot after someone had a time penalty?
by Simtek 12 Oct 2015, 21:55
WeirdKerr wrote:
Simtek wrote:With the news of Raikkonen's time penalty Felipe Nasr has been promoted to 6th place. This, coupled with his excellent 5th place in Melbourne, unrejectifies the Brazilian.

does it still count though if he only got the 6th spot after someone had a time penalty?

A 6th place is a 6th place, I suppose. I didn't count Ricciardo's Australia 2014 podium because he got disqualified. Basically, it's simpler not to delve too deeply into the context of people's results :P

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by AustralianStig 12 Oct 2015, 22:57
Simtek wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:
Simtek wrote:With the news of Raikkonen's time penalty Felipe Nasr has been promoted to 6th place. This, coupled with his excellent 5th place in Melbourne, unrejectifies the Brazilian.

does it still count though if he only got the 6th spot after someone had a time penalty?

A 6th place is a 6th place, I suppose. I didn't count Ricciardo's Australia 2014 podium because he got disqualified. Basically, it's simpler not to delve too deeply into the context of people's results :P

Agreed, it becomes too subjective if you go by anything other than official results.

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by FullMetalJack 16 Oct 2015, 17:26
True, it would rejectify and possibly unrejectify several drivers. We'd be opening a can on worms.

For example, I imagine the old site would have had a Ricardo Zonta profile if we did take the context of these points finishes into consideration.

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by Simtek 13 Nov 2016, 19:21
Carlos Sainz is the first driver to unrejectify himself at Interlagos since Barrichello in 1994. He is also the third to do it in a Toro Rosso and the sixth Spaniard, joining Paco Godia, Alfonso de Portago, Pedro de la Rosa, Fernando Alonso and Marc Gené as someone we can't profile on this site.

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by Simtek 12 Jun 2017, 02:26
Esteban Ocon is the fourth driver ever to unrejectify himself in Montreal, the fourth to do so in a Force India and ran fourth at one point... he finished sixth.

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by Simtek 25 Jun 2017, 16:01
This Could Be You wrote:With Stroll finishing third, I guess that means he's not a reject anymore?

That is correct. He's the first driver to do so with a podium finish since Magnussen in Australia 2014 (and Ricciardo in that same race until he was disqualified). It's also the first time there have been unrejectifications in back-to-back races since Bahrain and Spain in 2012 (Grosjean and Maldonado respectively).

Allen Berg remains the last Canadian F1 reject.

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by Simtek 27 Sep 2017, 13:33
rdmozero wrote:Jolyon Palmer is officially Unrejectificationed

He isn't.

All a former Formula One driver needs to do to escape eligibility for this site is to have been successful in F1. Specifically, they must have scored ...
  • a 4th, 3rd, 2nd or 1st place, or
  • a 5th place, plus any other top-6 result, or
  • three or more 6th places

Palmer only has one 6th place. His journey has just begun.

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by Aguvazk 06 Oct 2017, 03:03
I was thinking... in this time of almost no dnf and 3 teams almost locked up all 6 places... maybe for a unrejectification could count 4 o 5 7th places, maybe 6.

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by This 07 Oct 2017, 04:10
Aguvazk wrote:I was thinking... in this time of almost no dnf and 3 teams almost locked up all 6 places... maybe for a unrejectification could count 4 o 5 7th places, maybe 6.

This has been discussed quite often, and every time we eventually agreed on keeping the old format used by F1 Rejects.

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by dr-baker 07 Oct 2017, 17:18
This wrote:
Aguvazk wrote:I was thinking... in this time of almost no dnf and 3 teams almost locked up all 6 places... maybe for a unrejectification could count 4 o 5 7th places, maybe 6.

This has been discussed quite often, and every time we eventually agreed on keeping the old format used by F1 Rejects.

Has anybody made a list of how often unrejectifications have happened, and whether there has been a change in recent years?

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by Simtek 07 Oct 2017, 18:33
To be honest, I can't think of many drivers with reject status from recent years that have done much to truly deserve an exemption from profile eligibility. The big talents and even some of the more "middling" drivers have had a tendency to rise above their mechanical disadvantage and score top six results, as the likes of Sainz, Verstappen and Ocon have demonstrated, and even drivers like di Resta, Nasr and Petrov have been able to finish within the top six and even the top four enough times to escape reject status.

Even going back to a time when only half the field could be expected to finish you have Gabriele Tarquini putting an AGS on the points table and threatening lap records in a Fondmetal, but on the flipside not getting paid attention by the big teams. That's a textbook reject story.

It's a very strange, even absurd, situation anyway, because in reality you can't objectively quantify "rejectdom". It's just an easy excuse to single out without too much debate which drivers we can and can't profile.

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by WaffleCat 08 Oct 2017, 02:15
Looking back at the list of unrejectifications, even in this period of 'top three domination', there are still quite a reasonable amount of unrejectifications like Sainz, Ocon, Stroll and so on. I mean, even Felipe Nasr managed to solidly unrejectify himself.

The real oddity in my mind is 1998 and 1999. Like…those two years were insane. You had Williams in their Winfield blunder years yet still competent enough to reach the points. You had Stewart winning a goddamn race with Prost GP nabbing a podium. Benetton were poking their head fairly well above the water. Jordans were right up there battling for the championship. Compared to the Ferrari-Red Bull-Mercedes domination of the past few years, those years were insane, and yet no unrejectifications.

And, just to clarify on team unrejectifications, reject teams are those that score six points or less under the ol-timey six-position points system, is that correct?

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by This 08 Oct 2017, 20:19
WaffleCat wrote:Looking back at the list of unrejectifications, even in this period of 'top three domination', there are still quite a reasonable amount of unrejectifications like Sainz, Ocon, Stroll and so on. I mean, even Felipe Nasr managed to solidly unrejectify himself.

The real oddity in my mind is 1998 and 1999. Like…those two years were insane. You had Williams in their Winfield blunder years yet still competent enough to reach the points. You had Stewart winning a goddamn race with Prost GP nabbing a podium. Benetton were poking their head fairly well above the water. Jordans were right up there battling for the championship. Compared to the Ferrari-Red Bull-Mercedes domination of the past few years, those years were insane, and yet no unrejectifications.

And, just to clarify on team unrejectifications, reject teams are those that score six points or less under the ol-timey six-position points system, is that correct?
The amount of positions to get that points. Because Osella scored 5 points in reality, but also a 5th that didn't count for the championship. It's because of the Osella case that it's decided on finishing positions and not points.

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by Simtek 08 Apr 2018, 17:36
Pierre Gasly joins the list with his first ever points finish, a rare feat these days which was last achieved by Kevin Magnussen on his Grand Prix debut back in 2014. Before the sack-tapping Dane you have to go all the way back to Lewis Hamilton's Grand Prix debut in 2007 before you find another example. Before him it was Robert Kubica in the 2006 Italian Grand Prix, a situation that was a bit closer to Gasly's in that it wasn't the driver's Grand Prix debut.

Gasly is also the first to achieve unrejectification in a Honda-engined car since Sato in the 2003 Japanese Grand Prix.

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by Aguvazk 08 Apr 2018, 22:06
Today also Is the unrejectification of Haas. I expect this and the Gasly unrejectification (i predicted this in the annual prediction) but no so early in the season. I will take a risk and say: Hartley also will be unrejectificated this season...

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by tommykl 08 Apr 2018, 22:24
Aguvazk wrote:Today also Is the unrejectification of Haas. I expect this and the Gasly unrejectification (i predicted this in the annual prediction) but no so early in the season. I will take a risk and say: Hartley also will be unrejectificated this season...

Haas are actually not yet unrejectified, as 6 points in the old system is the maximum a team can have while remaining rejects. Any top 6 finish will do the trick, though.

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by Aguvazk 14 May 2018, 21:25
tommykl wrote:
Aguvazk wrote:Today also Is the unrejectification of Haas. I expect this and the Gasly unrejectification (i predicted this in the annual prediction) but no so early in the season. I will take a risk and say: Hartley also will be unrejectificated this season...

Haas are actually not yet unrejectified, as 6 points in the old system is the maximum a team can have while remaining rejects. Any top 6 finish will do the trick, though.





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