Grand Prix Rejects

dinizintheoven wrote:Where's Sunshine_Baby when we need her, eh?

My Italian, for the record, extends no further than ordering a table for two outside on the terrace. I won't understand any response.

Simtek wrote:ATTENTION ANY ITALIAN SPEAKERS:

Our very own WaffleCat is writing a profile on the Tecno team that competed in F1 in 1972-73, which should hopefully make for fantastic reading. Through his research, he's found a very detailed Autosprint article from late-1971 about their then-upcoming F1 entry. The problem is it's in Italian, and we could really use someone with a good knowledge of the language to translate it: https://v8blog1971.files.wordpress.com/ ... 42s-8p.pdf

Naturally, we would be appreciative of any assistance.

novitopoli wrote:

Simtek wrote:ATTENTION ANY ITALIAN SPEAKERS:

Our very own WaffleCat is writing a profile on the Tecno team that competed in F1 in 1972-73, which should hopefully make for fantastic reading. Through his research, he's found a very detailed Autosprint article from late-1971 about their then-upcoming F1 entry. The problem is it's in Italian, and we could really use someone with a good knowledge of the language to translate it: https://v8blog1971.files.wordpress.com/ ... 42s-8p.pdf

Naturally, we would be appreciative of any assistance.

Sorry for the blatant necroposting.
As the forum's resident Italian, do y'all still need any help with that?

1993DonningtonNo1Mk2 wrote:I wonder if it would be possible to do a "Certain-number of the Best Rejects in the BTCC" List? After all, the BTCC is celebrating its 60th Anniversary this year and I can think of a few notable F1 Rejects who were successful in that series. Frank Gardner, Joachim Winkelhock, Gabriele Tarquini all became BTC Champions and the following all won BTCC races (Chris Craft, John Rhodes, Ivor Bueb, Tommy Bridger if F2-only entrants count, David Hobbs, Derek Bell and Harald Ertl shared a win, Gianfranco Brancatelli, Tiff Needell scored a shared win in 1989 and Julian Bailey).

dr-baker wrote:Would like to see an honorary mention in that list for Roland Ratzenberger. And how Mansell had F1 success but not so well in getting results in BTCC...

dr-baker wrote:

1993DonningtonNo1Mk2 wrote:I wonder if it would be possible to do a "Certain-number of the Best Rejects in the BTCC" List? After all, the BTCC is celebrating its 60th Anniversary this year and I can think of a few notable F1 Rejects who were successful in that series. Frank Gardner, Joachim Winkelhock, Gabriele Tarquini all became BTC Champions and the following all won BTCC races (Chris Craft, John Rhodes, Ivor Bueb, Tommy Bridger if F2-only entrants count, David Hobbs, Derek Bell and Harald Ertl shared a win, Gianfranco Brancatelli, Tiff Needell scored a shared win in 1989 and Julian Bailey).

Would like to see an honorary mention in that list for Roland Ratzenberger. And how Mansell had F1 success but not so well in getting results in BTCC...

Simtek wrote:If this is happening, ten drivers wouldn't be anywhere near enough to do anybody any justice, especially for the BSCC era. I'd suggest a top 32 (believe me, it's doable).

East Londoner wrote:

Simtek wrote:If this is happening, ten drivers wouldn't be anywhere near enough to do anybody any justice, especially for the BSCC era. I'd suggest a top 32 (believe me, it's doable).

...nope, we're having ten and that's final. Don't make me have to threaten you with a ban as well, Simtek.

(I've already written the article, y'see...)

Har1MAS1415 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 17:41 Pardon the resurrection.

Just been compiling the 2007 Driver's and Constructor's points as they would have been if the McLaren drivers' points redistributed.

The results are as follows:

Drivers
1. Kimi Raikkonen 130
2. Felipe Massa 113
3. Nick Heidfeld 86
4. Robert Kubica 61
5. Heikki Kovalainen 54
6. Giancarlo Fisichella 41
7. Nico Rosberg 38
8. Mark Webber 23
9. David Coulthard 22
10. Alexander Wurz 21
11. Jarno Trulli 19
12. Ralf Schumacher 13
13. Jenson Button 12
14. Sebastian Vettel 9
15. Takuma Sato 7
16. Vitantonio Liuzzi 5
17. Rubens Barrichello 4
18. Adrian Sutil 2
19. Scott Speed 2
20. Kazuki Nakajima 1

Constructors
1. Ferrari 243
2. BMW Sauber 150
3. Renault 95
4. Williams Toyota 60
5. Red Bull Renault 45
6. Toyota 32
7. Honda 16
8. Toro Rosso Ferrari 13
9. Super Aguri Honda 7
10. Spyker Ferrari 2

Raikkonen wins the title with a race to spare.

Ferrari match their 2002 feat of winning 15 out of 17 races (9 for Kimi, 6 for Massa) but with only 7 1-2s, it's not quite as successful as 2002 and 2004.

BMW Sauber score their first win in Canada a year in advance but with Heidfeld instead of Kubica.

Kovalainen scores a point on debut and a first win at Fuji.

Kubica, Fisichella and Coulthard go from a combined total of no podiums to 10 (Kubica 6, Fizzi and DC 2 apiece)

Nico Rosberg rounds out the season with his first podium a race in advance.

Mark Webber and Red Bull break into the top 2 for the first time at the Nurburgring.

Alex Wurz breaks into the top 2 for the first time in Canada and follows that up with 3rd at the Nurburgring.

Toyota at least manage to break into the top 5 on four occasions (3-1 to Trulli).

Honda at least manage to finish ahead of STR and Rubinho never endures a pointless season in his entire career.

Vettel makes up for Fuji by scoring his and STR's first podium in China.

Liuzzi gets a point at Fuji, despite his post-race time penalty and goes on to unrejectify himself at the inaugural Korean GP in 2010.

Scott Speed manages to open his points account before being replaced by Vettel.

Kazuki Nakajima secures a point on debut despite that incident with his pit crew.

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 21:32

Har1MAS1415 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 17:41 Pardon the resurrection.

Just been compiling the 2007 Driver's and Constructor's points as they would have been if the McLaren drivers' points redistributed.

The results are as follows:

Drivers
1. Kimi Raikkonen 130
2. Felipe Massa 113
3. Nick Heidfeld 86
4. Robert Kubica 61
5. Heikki Kovalainen 54
6. Giancarlo Fisichella 41
7. Nico Rosberg 38
8. Mark Webber 23
9. David Coulthard 22
10. Alexander Wurz 21
11. Jarno Trulli 19
12. Ralf Schumacher 13
13. Jenson Button 12
14. Sebastian Vettel 9
15. Takuma Sato 7
16. Vitantonio Liuzzi 5
17. Rubens Barrichello 4
18. Adrian Sutil 2
19. Scott Speed 2
20. Kazuki Nakajima 1

Constructors
1. Ferrari 243
2. BMW Sauber 150
3. Renault 95
4. Williams Toyota 60
5. Red Bull Renault 45
6. Toyota 32
7. Honda 16
8. Toro Rosso Ferrari 13
9. Super Aguri Honda 7
10. Spyker Ferrari 2

Raikkonen wins the title with a race to spare.

Ferrari match their 2002 feat of winning 15 out of 17 races (9 for Kimi, 6 for Massa) but with only 7 1-2s, it's not quite as successful as 2002 and 2004.

BMW Sauber score their first win in Canada a year in advance but with Heidfeld instead of Kubica.

Kovalainen scores a point on debut and a first win at Fuji.

Kubica, Fisichella and Coulthard go from a combined total of no podiums to 10 (Kubica 6, Fizzi and DC 2 apiece)

Nico Rosberg rounds out the season with his first podium a race in advance.

Mark Webber and Red Bull break into the top 2 for the first time at the Nurburgring.

Alex Wurz breaks into the top 2 for the first time in Canada and follows that up with 3rd at the Nurburgring.

Toyota at least manage to break into the top 5 on four occasions (3-1 to Trulli).

Honda at least manage to finish ahead of STR and Rubinho never endures a pointless season in his entire career.

Vettel makes up for Fuji by scoring his and STR's first podium in China.

Liuzzi gets a point at Fuji, despite his post-race time penalty and goes on to unrejectify himself at the inaugural Korean GP in 2010.

Scott Speed manages to open his points account before being replaced by Vettel.

Kazuki Nakajima secures a point on debut despite that incident with his pit crew.

Another excellent trip down memory lane here. I’m caught in two minds looking at those tables and stats. On the one hand Ferrari win 15/17 races (Heidfeld for BMW in Canada and Kovalainen for Renault in Japan the 2 exceptions) but at least Kimi and Massa would have given us a far more entertaining title tussle than Michael and Rubens ever would.

Do you think you could try and get the standings to look like the Wikipedia table has it with all the results? I’m having trouble remembering what each podium would be.

Har1MAS1415 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 17:41 Pardon the resurrection.

Just been compiling the 2007 Driver's and Constructor's points as they would have been if the McLaren drivers' points had been redistributed.

The results are as follows:

Drivers
1. Kimi Raikkonen 130
2. Felipe Massa 113
3. Nick Heidfeld 86
4. Robert Kubica 61
5. Heikki Kovalainen 54
6. Giancarlo Fisichella 41
7. Nico Rosberg 38
8. Mark Webber 23
9. David Coulthard 22
10. Alexander Wurz 21
11. Jarno Trulli 19
12. Ralf Schumacher 13
13. Jenson Button 12
14. Sebastian Vettel 9
15. Takuma Sato 7
16. Vitantonio Liuzzi 5
17. Rubens Barrichello 4
18. Adrian Sutil 2
19. Scott Speed 2
20. Kazuki Nakajima 1

Constructors
1. Ferrari 243
2. BMW Sauber 150
3. Renault 95
4. Williams Toyota 60
5. Red Bull Renault 45
6. Toyota 32
7. Honda 16
8. Toro Rosso Ferrari 13
9. Super Aguri Honda 7
10. Spyker Ferrari 2

Raikkonen wins the title with a race to spare.

Ferrari match their 2002 feat of winning 15 out of 17 races (9 for Kimi, 6 for Massa) but with only 7 1-2s, it's not quite as successful as 2002 and 2004.

BMW Sauber score their first win in Canada a year in advance but with Heidfeld instead of Kubica.

Kovalainen scores a point on debut and a first win at Fuji.

Kubica, Fisichella and Coulthard go from a combined total of no podiums to 10 (Kubica 6, Fizzi and DC 2 apiece)

Nico Rosberg rounds out the season with his first podium a race in advance.

Mark Webber and Red Bull break into the top 2 for the first time at the Nurburgring.

Alex Wurz breaks into the top 2 for the first time in Canada and follows that up with 3rd at the Nurburgring.

Toyota at least manage to break into the top 5 on four occasions (3-1 to Trulli).

Honda at least manage to finish ahead of STR and Rubinho never endures a pointless season in his entire career.

Vettel makes up for Fuji by scoring his and STR's first podium in China.

Liuzzi gets a point at Fuji, despite his post-race time penalty and goes on to unrejectify himself at the inaugural Korean GP in 2010.

Scott Speed manages to open his points account before being replaced by Vettel.

Kazuki Nakajima secures a point on debut despite that incident with his pit crew.

Bobby Doorknobs wrote: ↑05 Oct 2022, 11:56 Lads, you're saving Aislabie a ton of work here for when "Missing the Points" covers this season.

Har1MAS1415 wrote:
Does the table have to be the same as portrayed in the Schumacher Disqualification article?

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote: ↑14 Oct 2022, 00:11

Har1MAS1415 wrote:
Does the table have to be the same as portrayed in the Schumacher Disqualification article?

Didn’t see this line. Yes exactly like that if you can.