Car numbering and pitlane position

Fringo · Post by **Fringo** » 30 Nov 2009, 12:40

Hello

I was just wondering, does anyone know what happens to car numbering and pitlane position for 2010? I suppose Button takes his #1 to McLaren, but what numbers do Mercedes GP get?

Greetings from Santiago, Chile.

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 30 Nov 2009, 13:25

They won the constructors championship so i'd imagine them to take 3&4 with Red bull on 5&6

Tealy · Post by **Tealy** » 30 Nov 2009, 13:53

DonTirri wrote:They won the constructors championship so i'd imagine them to take 3&4 with Red bull on 5&6

Thats how it worked in '07 when Alonso took the number 1 to McLaren. The other teams lined up in order of their championship finish from '06 meaning Reanult got 3 & 4, Ferrari 5 & 6 and so on. I believe the smaller numbers in the team go to the higher placed driver from the previous year's drivers championship (though this may be wrong).

This should mean that for 2010 ...

McLaren
1. Button
2. Hamilton

Mercades
3. Rosberg (or Raikonnen as he out scored Rosberg)
4. (Merc driver 2 or Rosberg if Raikonnen gets the no 3.)

Red Bull
5. Vettel
6. Webber

Ferrari
7. Alonso
8. Massa

Going further would be foolish of me given that we don't yet know which teams will appear in 2010, nevermind who will be driving for them. I don't know exactly how the pitlane positions will work but my guess is they will be in the order of the car numbers. Leaving McLaren with the first garage and one of the new teams with the last.

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 30 Nov 2009, 14:59

Pitlane garages should be in the order of the Constructors standings. In case of Sauber, BMW probably have lost their place in the pitlane as well as the FOM money by not signing the Concorde agreement in time, which is a reject-worthy shame really.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 30 Nov 2009, 17:03

Tealy, Rosberg may keep #3 even if Raikkonen moves over to Mercedes. Keep in mind that when Bourdais made his debut in 2008, Vettel had scored points the year before and was given #15 -- whereas Bourdais drove #14.

Also, in 2007 Mark Webber outscored David Coulthard, but in 2008 Coulthard drove car #9 and Webber drove car #10... and in 2008, who scored more, Jenson Button, or Rubens Barrichello, and who drove #22 and who drove #23?...

I believe Ayrton Senna also preferred even numbers on his cars. At McLaren he drove #12 alongside Prost and he also drove #8 alongside Michael Andretti.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 30 Nov 2009, 17:39

Cynon wrote:I believe Ayrton Senna also preferred even numbers on his cars. At McLaren he drove #12 alongside Prost and he also drove #8 alongside Michael Andretti.

I'll bet that he didn't mind carrying a particular odd number on his car though... no. 1...

Post by **mario** » 30 Nov 2009, 19:03

Here is a link to the FIA webste, giving the current number allocation to the cars as of today (30th Nov '09)
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pr ... _list.aspx

Perhaps of most worrying news for those hoping for Sauber to make it back into the sport is that the entry list currently only lists 12 teams - and Sauber is not one of them. The only up side is that it is also noted that the Toyota team have yet to clarify what will happen to their entry for 2010 (whether it'll be sold on, withdrawn altogether or whatever may come of it) - so perhaps they could yet still sell it on to Sauber.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 30 Nov 2009, 19:19

Why the heck sell it to Sauber? They can't sell the entry, they have to sell the whole shite(don't they?), and Sauber have just bought back BMW, I don't think he can afford Toyota too...

Valrys · Post by **Valrys** » 30 Nov 2009, 19:27

Toyotas entry has defaulted to the FIA, and so isn't avavilable to be sold on - the FIA decides who it goes to

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 30 Nov 2009, 20:51

mario wrote:Here is a link to the FIA webste, giving the current number allocation to the cars as of today (30th Nov '09)
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pr ... _list.aspx

"Campos Dallara"? Have they signed up for the Cossies yet? And Virgin Cosworth is... uh... different.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 30 Nov 2009, 21:05

mario wrote:Here is a link to the FIA webste, giving the current number allocation to the cars as of today (30th Nov '09)
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pr ... _list.aspx

I missed the Virgin naming rights announcement. Feel sorry for the people who'll have 'Virgin' plastered all over them.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 30 Nov 2009, 21:19

shinji wrote:I missed the Virgin naming rights announcement.

That's because it hasn't happened yet

Debaser · Post by **Debaser** » 30 Nov 2009, 21:47

kostas22 wrote:
shinji wrote:I missed the Virgin naming rights announcement.

That's because it hasn't happened yet

Check the entry list mate, Manor are called "Virgin Cosworth". I missed that too, was it actually announced??? Are we internet-blind??? Or do Manor have terrible PR??? Whatever we'll probably see some terrible sexual puns on the name "Virgin Manor" from now on.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 30 Nov 2009, 21:56

Debaser wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
shinji wrote:I missed the Virgin naming rights announcement.

That's because it hasn't happened yet

Check the entry list mate, Manor are called "Virgin Cosworth". I missed that too, was it actually announced??? Are we internet-blind??? Or do Manor have terrible PR??? Whatever we'll probably see some terrible sexual puns on the name "Virgin Manor" from now on.

We will see a rash of puns, starting with the one kostas made and you seem to have missed.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 30 Nov 2009, 21:58

It was not announced until now. The FIA spilled the beans. Then again, maybe Manor gave them permission to do it.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 30 Nov 2009, 22:08

Tealy wrote:
DonTirri wrote:They won the constructors championship so i'd imagine them to take 3&4 with Red bull on 5&6

Thats how it worked in '07 when Alonso took the number 1 to McLaren. The other teams lined up in order of their championship finish from '06 meaning Reanult got 3 & 4, Ferrari 5 & 6 and so on. I believe the smaller numbers in the team go to the higher placed driver from the previous year's drivers championship (though this may be wrong).

This should mean that for 2010 ...

McLaren
1. Button
2. Hamilton

Mercades
3. Rosberg (or Raikonnen as he out scored Rosberg)
4. (Merc driver 2 or Rosberg if Raikonnen gets the no 3.)

Red Bull
5. Vettel
6. Webber

Ferrari
7. Alonso
8. Massa

Going further would be foolish of me given that we don't yet know which teams will appear in 2010, nevermind who will be driving for them. I don't know exactly how the pitlane positions will work but my guess is they will be in the order of the car numbers. Leaving McLaren with the first garage and one of the new teams with the last.

The garages are given out in order of the finish in the Constructors Championship of the previous year, so Brawn will occupy the first garage, Red Bull the second and McLaren the third. The new teams will probably be entered in order of car numbers. If Toyota sells the team, they will be given the garage between Ferrari and Williams. If Sauber is on the grid, they will probably be moved to the last garage (or the first, depending on what way they line up, because if I recall correctly the Constructors Champions (so Brawn, not McLareN) are allowed to choose whether they want the near or the far side of the pit lane).

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 30 Nov 2009, 22:30

Debaser wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
shinji wrote:I missed the Virgin naming rights announcement.

That's because it hasn't happened yet

Check the entry list mate, Manor are called "Virgin Cosworth". I missed that too, was it actually announced??? Are we internet-blind??? Or do Manor have terrible PR??? Whatever we'll probably see some terrible sexual puns on the name "Virgin Manor" from now on.

Nope, they're actually called 'Virgin Racing'. And neither Virgin or Manor had announced the deal yet. The FIA did beat them to it, though its probably Manor's fault for beating about the bush too long, the FIA has deadlines to meet.

Popi_Larrauri · Post by **Popi_Larrauri** » 30 Nov 2009, 23:17

Here it, comes, very very official entry list (with numbers included) for 2010 according to FIA site:

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 10251.html

In it, there are only 12 teams :cry:

, but there is a definition pending about Toyota. On the very same site, just two links below, there is a reference to Ferrari powered Sauber's C29. (http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews ... 10247.html) So it should be quiet clear the direction FIA is taking right now. Despite the fact that I would have loved Stefan F1 with a TF110...

Here it's the entry list (both USF1 seats are TBA, but here Lopez in USF1 is already written in marble):

McLaren Mercedes
1 Jenson Button (GB)
2 Lewis Hamilton (GB)

Brawn Mercedes Benz*
3 Nico Rosberg (D)
4 TBA

Red Bull Racing Renault
5 Sebastian Vettel (D)
6 Mark Webber (AUS)

Ferrari
7 Felipe Massa (BR)
8 Fernando Alonso (E)

Williams Cosworth
9 Rubens Barrichello (BR)
10 Nico Hulkenberg (D)

Renault
11 Robert Kubica (PL)
12 TBA

Force India Mercedes
14 Adrian Sutil (D)
15 Vitantonio Liuzzi (I)

STR Ferrari
16 Sebastien Buemi (CH)
17 TBA

Lotus Cosworth
18 TBA
19 TBA

Campos Dallara
20 TBA
21 Bruno Senna (BR)

US F1 Cosworth
22 TBA
23 TBA

Virgin Cosworth
24 Timo Glock (D)
25 TBA

Popi_Larrauri · Post by **Popi_Larrauri** » 30 Nov 2009, 23:20

mario wrote:Here is a link to the FIA webste, giving the current number allocation to the cars as of today (30th Nov '09)
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pr ... _list.aspx

Perhaps of most worrying news for those hoping for Sauber to make it back into the sport is that the entry list currently only lists 12 teams - and Sauber is not one of them. The only up side is that it is also noted that the Toyota team have yet to clarify what will happen to their entry for 2010 (whether it'll be sold on, withdrawn altogether or whatever may come of it) - so perhaps they could yet still sell it on to Sauber.

Oh, foolish from me, double post, almost identical. I hope that any shade of light given over Sauber's fate will be useful to you.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 01 Dec 2009, 02:51

I wonder why Bruno Senna has 21 rather than 20. Maybe he wants to go against his uncle's tradition and bear only even numbers...

And why the heck did Campos badge their engines as Dallara? Surely they could just have called the chassis Campos-Dallara so the car would've been Campos-Dallara-Cosworth... Admittedly not the most elegant solution either, but calling an engine Dallara is even stupider than calling it Playlife.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 01 Dec 2009, 03:04

Waris wrote:I wonder why Bruno Senna has 21 rather than 20. Maybe he wants to go against his uncle's tradition and bear only even numbers...

21 is 12 backwards. Other then that, some drivers pick numbers for personal preference. I think when BAR had 11 and 12 in 2006 Barrichello requested #11 because it was his kart number.

Waris wrote:And why the heck did Campos badge their engines as Dallara? Surely they could just have called the chassis Campos-Dallara so the car would've been Campos-Dallara-Cosworth... Admittedly not the most elegant solution either, but calling an engine Dallara is even stupider than calling it Playlife.

Badging an engine as a Dallara makes more sense than Playlife -- Dallara had involvement in the car's construction. Personally I think the car should be called the Dallara and the engine the Campos.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 01 Dec 2009, 03:52

Cynon wrote:Badging an engine as a Dallara makes more sense than Playlife -- Dallara had involvement in the car's construction. Personally I think the car should be called the Dallara and the engine the Campos.

Exactly, in the car's construction. Not in the construction of the engine.
But naming an engine after the chassis maker is the world upside down. They should just make their minds up, and settle on Campos-Cosworth or Dallara-Cosworth.

Fitch · Post by **Fitch** » 01 Dec 2009, 04:03

the 2010 Entry List has been published by the FIA.........

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/ ... try-list1/

Of interest, 12 teams are on the Grid...INCLUDING Toyota and Brawn..........There are Footnotes....Brawns intent to change it's name to Mercedes Grand Prix is noted, And Toyota has a Footnote, stating that they are bound by the Concorde Agreement to put 2 cars on the Grid in 2010 but has made it's intent that they will not......

So for the Moment, there is no Sauber.....Though allegedly, Todt has told Peter Sauber he would be on the Grid......

So, whats the Deal?.........Why are the FIA continuing to act as if the expect Toyota to say.."Hey ya know that thing about us not racing next year...Fooled ya, we'll be there"???..............

they've said they won't be there, so Fine them for Breaking the Concorde Agreement, and the Whole $50million FOTA thing..and let Sauber in...........

Oh alo, Manor is officially listed as Virgin Racing.....

Post by **mario** » 01 Dec 2009, 10:21

Cynon wrote:
Waris wrote:I wonder why Bruno Senna has 21 rather than 20. Maybe he wants to go against his uncle's tradition and bear only even numbers...

21 is 12 backwards. Other then that, some drivers pick numbers for personal preference. I think when BAR had 11 and 12 in 2006 Barrichello requested #11 because it was his kart number.

True, there are times when a driver picks a number based on personal preference, although it's more common in other areas of motorsport (e.g. Valentino Rossi choosing #46 - and having it written into his contract that he can use it over the #1 he can use when he wins the title). If anything, Bruno Senna may deliberately have chosen an odd number to distinguish him from his uncle's traditions, because he has made it clear that he wants to be judged by his own achievements.

And Fitch, part of the reason for the hold up is because of the fact that Toyota and FOM are trying to sort out what would be the appropriate fine for breaching the contract betwen them, and who exactly will get the vacated spot. After all, recall that there are still other entries for 2010 on the reserve list, and I am sure that they will be putting their case forwards quite forcefully as well. I still supsct that Sauber would be the most likely entry, but you never know what might happen.

Tealy · Post by **Tealy** » 01 Dec 2009, 10:40

Cynon wrote:Tealy, Rosberg may keep #3 even if Raikkonen moves over to Mercedes. Keep in mind that when Bourdais made his debut in 2008, Vettel had scored points the year before and was given #15 -- whereas Bourdais drove #14.

Also, in 2007 Mark Webber outscored David Coulthard, but in 2008 Coulthard drove car #9 and Webber drove car #10... and in 2008, who scored more, Jenson Button, or Rubens Barrichello, and who drove #22 and who drove #23?...

I believe Ayrton Senna also preferred even numbers on his cars. At McLaren he drove #12 alongside Prost and he also drove #8 alongside Michael Andretti.

Other people made this point but this was directed to me.

Really? I have always believed that the drivers had their numbers forced upon them ever since the numbering rules were changed in the mid 90's. Your evidence is damning and I'm surprised I never noticed it before now :lol:

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 01 Dec 2009, 10:42

Waris wrote:I wonder why Bruno Senna has 21 rather than 20. Maybe he wants to go against his uncle's tradition and bear only even numbers...

Senna's personal sponsor is Embratel. Embratel's international calling code for Brazil is 21.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 02 Dec 2009, 08:16

Captain Hammer wrote:
Waris wrote:I wonder why Bruno Senna has 21 rather than 20. Maybe he wants to go against his uncle's tradition and bear only even numbers...

Senna's personal sponsor is Embratel. Embratel's international calling code for Brazil is 21.

Is 20 the international calling code for Russia, perhaps? I know of a certain individual who is sponsored by MegaFon...

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 02 Dec 2009, 08:33

Waris wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:
Waris wrote:I wonder why Bruno Senna has 21 rather than 20. Maybe he wants to go against his uncle's tradition and bear only even numbers...

Senna's personal sponsor is Embratel. Embratel's international calling code for Brazil is 21.

Is 20 the international calling code for Russia, perhaps? I know of a certain individual who is sponsored by MegaFon...

Plamen Kralev? HWNSNBM? Nur Ali?

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 02 Dec 2009, 11:27

Waris wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:
Waris wrote:I wonder why Bruno Senna has 21 rather than 20. Maybe he wants to go against his uncle's tradition and bear only even numbers...

Senna's personal sponsor is Embratel. Embratel's international calling code for Brazil is 21.

Is 20 the international calling code for Russia, perhaps? I know of a certain individual who is sponsored by MegaFon...

Actually, Petrov gets his backing from oil and natural gas company Gazprom. And if Embratel are going to be invovled with Campos on some level, they won't like MegaFon's presence. Besides, MegaFon have been linked to a Renault buy-out.

Let's just hope it's better than the last Russian effort ... though to be fair, Alex Schnaider was only born in Russia, and Midland was registered as a corporate name in Canada.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 07 Dec 2009, 01:16

Captain Hammer wrote:
Waris wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:Senna's personal sponsor is Embratel. Embratel's international calling code for Brazil is 21.

Is 20 the international calling code for Russia, perhaps? I know of a certain individual who is sponsored by MegaFon...

Actually, Petrov gets his backing from oil and natural gas company Gazprom. And if Embratel are going to be invovled with Campos on some level, they won't like MegaFon's presence. Besides, MegaFon have been linked to a Renault buy-out.

Let's just hope it's better than the last Russian effort ... though to be fair, Alex Schnaider was only born in Russia, and Midland was registered as a corporate name in Canada.

Wait what, Gazprom? I thought it was Lukoil, and also MegaFon. But you seem to be more up to date than me.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 07 Dec 2009, 02:55

Cynon wrote:
Waris wrote:I wonder why Bruno Senna has 21 rather than 20. Maybe he wants to go against his uncle's tradition and bear only even numbers...

21 is 12 backwards. Other then that, some drivers pick numbers for personal preference. I think when BAR had 11 and 12 in 2006 Barrichello requested #11 because it was his kart number.

Also, I remember a funny story about number choice. In 93 season, christian fittipaldi requested #25 in minardi, because #24 in brazil are a "number of gays". The pronunciation of this number sounds like a sexual position in portuguese. :lol:

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 07 Dec 2009, 06:40

Waris wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:
Waris wrote:I wonder why Bruno Senna has 21 rather than 20. Maybe he wants to go against his uncle's tradition and bear only even numbers...

Senna's personal sponsor is Embratel. Embratel's international calling code for Brazil is 21.

Is 20 the international calling code for Russia, perhaps? I know of a certain individual who is sponsored by MegaFon...

The International Calling Code for Russia is 7.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 07 Dec 2009, 09:28

Cynon wrote:The International Calling Code for Russia is 7.

Well what is the International Calling Code for Nr. 20? Perhaps Hungary

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 07 Dec 2009, 09:58

The international calling code for Brazil is actually 55. However, I do know that the nubmer 21 is closely linked with Embratel. I'm just not entirely sure how.

Ben Gilbert · Post by **Ben Gilbert** » 07 Dec 2009, 10:37

Klon wrote:
Cynon wrote:The International Calling Code for Russia is 7.

Well what is the International Calling Code for Nr. 20? Perhaps Hungary

Hungary is 36, which unfortunately means that, unless there is a massive opening of the floodgates by the FIA, this method will not see HWNSNBM return.

20 is actually the code for Egypt. (Anyone know of an Egyptian driver?)

RejectSteve · Post by **RejectSteve** » 07 Dec 2009, 11:42

Ben Gilbert wrote:20 is actually the code for Egypt. (Anyone know of an Egyptian driver?)

If he has 8 million dollars, he'll be found.

Alianora La Canta · Post by **Alianora La Canta** » 07 Dec 2009, 23:04

I'm going to have to get used to the idea that Adrian Sutil doesn't own car number 20. You see, he's had it since he started his F1 career in 2007 - he's probably glad to get rid of it under the circumstances...

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 08 Dec 2009, 19:38

Another thing I'll have to get used to is the re-emergence of #27 on the grid -- since I believe Sauber is getting #26 and #27.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 08 Dec 2009, 20:47

Cynon wrote:Another thing I'll have to get used to is the re-emergence of #27 on the grid -- since I believe Sauber is getting #26 and #27.

cue the return of Jacques Villenuve to sauber.......

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 08 Dec 2009, 21:54

WeirdKerr wrote:
Cynon wrote:Another thing I'll have to get used to is the re-emergence of #27 on the grid -- since I believe Sauber is getting #26 and #27.

cue the return of Jacques Villenuve to sauber.......

Ooooh, I'm SO in favour of this. Next only to Mercedes in hiring Nelson Piquet Jr. in trolling the F1 community.