The 2013 'Pastor will defend his win' Spanish GP Thread

johnnyCarwash · Post by **johnnyCarwash** » 11 May 2013, 13:26

Woah, where did the Mercedes pace come from :shock:

, I was expecting the other three (Red Bull, Lotus and Ferrari) to be having a shootout for pole...

Kudos to GVdG for beating his teammate and the Marrusias. Must be a Barcelona specialist considering his win in GP2 last season.

Poor Williams and Sauber, how they have both fallen, I honestly thought that the Hulk could manage better than 15th spot on the grid....

WaffleCat wrote:Once again. Jenson Button. Ouch.

I think this isn't the first time you're going to say that this season :lol:

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 11 May 2013, 14:40

Outwardly impressive from Mercedes, but I doubt they have the speed to hang onto it tomorrow - or at least, the tyrewear.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 11 May 2013, 15:36

Paul Hayes wrote:Outwardly impressive from Mercedes, but I doubt they have the speed to hang onto it tomorrow - or at least, the tyrewear.

Agreed but still a nice moment. A good boost for Rosberg too.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 11 May 2013, 15:44

If they win tomorrow, the lot of you will look like fools. Never underestimate the boredom that is the procession-drome we call Circuit De Catalunya.

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 11 May 2013, 15:45

just checked the formula1 website for quaifying, and it turns out that Massa and Gutierrez are dropped 3 places for impeding.

I can see Gutiarrez being dropped for blocking, but why Massa as well?

anyway, this means that a sauber will now start behind a caterham this time...

heres the results from the website: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2013/897/7299/

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 11 May 2013, 15:53

F1000X wrote:If they win tomorrow, the lot of you will look like fools.

To be fair everyone felt like buffoons after China last year where everyone was going "Schumi and Britney don't stand a chance" Look what happened there. I think Eytl would agree with me on that one.

Post by **mario** » 11 May 2013, 16:03

CaptainGetz12 wrote:just checked the formula1 website for quaifying, and it turns out that Massa and Gutierrez are dropped 3 places for impeding.

I can see Gutiarrez being dropped for blocking, but why Massa as well?

anyway, this means that a sauber will now start behind a caterham this time...

heres the results from the website: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2013/897/7299/

Although not every broadcaster might have shown that footage, the incident happened during Q1 when Massa was on a slow lap (I think he was coming back to the pits) whilst Webber was on a qualifying lap. Massa was going through Turn 12 slowly whilst still on the normal racing line when Webber caught up with him - although he did then stick to the inside of the corner when he realised Webber was there, it meant that Webber was forced to slow down as he exited Turn 11 and was forced to take a much wider line than normal through Turn 12 in order to pass Massa, costing him time.

kevinbotz, in some ways McLaren's performance is a slight improvement but, with the regulations having stayed broadly similar for some time, the potential for large gains is more limited - particularly since McLaren are struggling a little with correlation issues (something they seem to have partially blamed on unrepresentative model tyres from Pirelli for their wind tunnels). Compounding that problem seems to be the fact that McLaren are having to compete directly with Ferrari for access to Toyota's wind tunnel facilities in Cologne - Ferrari are mainly using the TMG wind tunnel to develop the F138 in order to free up their own wind tunnel for their 2014 car.

Divina_Galica · Post by **Divina_Galica** » 11 May 2013, 16:23

mario wrote:
CaptainGetz12 wrote:just checked the formula1 website for quaifying, and it turns out that Massa and Gutierrez are dropped 3 places for impeding.

I can see Gutiarrez being dropped for blocking, but why Massa as well?

anyway, this means that a sauber will now start behind a caterham this time...

heres the results from the website: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2013/897/7299/

Although not every broadcaster might have shown that footage, the incident happened during Q1 when Massa was on a slow lap (I think he was coming back to the pits) whilst Webber was on a qualifying lap. Massa was going through Turn 12 slowly whilst still on the normal racing line when Webber caught up with him - although he did then stick to the inside of the corner when he realised Webber was there, it meant that Webber was forced to slow down as he exited Turn 11 and was forced to take a much wider line than normal through Turn 12 in order to pass Massa, costing him time.

Both were pretty blatant blocks, hardly surprising they got grid penalties, fortunately they didn't actually cause Webber and Raikkonen to miss out....

DG

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 11 May 2013, 19:29

F1000X wrote:If they win tomorrow, the lot of you will look like fools. Never underestimate the boredom that is the procession-drome we call Circuit De Catalunya.

Starting with Giedo van derp Garde and Gutierrez behind them. Gutierrez even has a slightly faster car capable of high 1:22s. They'd be lucky to hold off Gutierrez Gutierrez you see.

Post by **kevinbotz** » 11 May 2013, 23:55

mario wrote:
CaptainGetz12 wrote:just checked the formula1 website for quaifying, and it turns out that Massa and Gutierrez are dropped 3 places for impeding.

I can see Gutiarrez being dropped for blocking, but why Massa as well?

anyway, this means that a sauber will now start behind a caterham this time...

heres the results from the website: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2013/897/7299/

Although not every broadcaster might have shown that footage, the incident happened during Q1 when Massa was on a slow lap (I think he was coming back to the pits) whilst Webber was on a qualifying lap. Massa was going through Turn 12 slowly whilst still on the normal racing line when Webber caught up with him - although he did then stick to the inside of the corner when he realised Webber was there, it meant that Webber was forced to slow down as he exited Turn 11 and was forced to take a much wider line than normal through Turn 12 in order to pass Massa, costing him time.

kevinbotz, in some ways McLaren's performance is a slight improvement but, with the regulations having stayed broadly similar for some time, the potential for large gains is more limited - particularly since McLaren are struggling a little with correlation issues (something they seem to have partially blamed on unrepresentative model tyres from Pirelli for their wind tunnels). Compounding that problem seems to be the fact that McLaren are having to compete directly with Ferrari for access to Toyota's wind tunnel facilities in Cologne - Ferrari are mainly using the TMG wind tunnel to develop the F138 in order to free up their own wind tunnel for their 2014 car.

Are McLaren using the Toyota wind tunnel to develop their 2013 car or 2014 car? I had no idea that McLaren and Ferrari were competing for Toyota's wind tunnel resources.

Post by **mario** » 12 May 2013, 06:14

kevinbotz wrote:
mario wrote:
CaptainGetz12 wrote:just checked the formula1 website for quaifying, and it turns out that Massa and Gutierrez are dropped 3 places for impeding.

I can see Gutiarrez being dropped for blocking, but why Massa as well?

anyway, this means that a sauber will now start behind a caterham this time...

heres the results from the website: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2013/897/7299/

Although not every broadcaster might have shown that footage, the incident happened during Q1 when Massa was on a slow lap (I think he was coming back to the pits) whilst Webber was on a qualifying lap. Massa was going through Turn 12 slowly whilst still on the normal racing line when Webber caught up with him - although he did then stick to the inside of the corner when he realised Webber was there, it meant that Webber was forced to slow down as he exited Turn 11 and was forced to take a much wider line than normal through Turn 12 in order to pass Massa, costing him time.

kevinbotz, in some ways McLaren's performance is a slight improvement but, with the regulations having stayed broadly similar for some time, the potential for large gains is more limited - particularly since McLaren are struggling a little with correlation issues (something they seem to have partially blamed on unrepresentative model tyres from Pirelli for their wind tunnels). Compounding that problem seems to be the fact that McLaren are having to compete directly with Ferrari for access to Toyota's wind tunnel facilities in Cologne - Ferrari are mainly using the TMG wind tunnel to develop the F138 in order to free up their own wind tunnel for their 2014 car.

Are McLaren using the Toyota wind tunnel to develop their 2013 car or 2014 car? I had no idea that McLaren and Ferrari were competing for Toyota's wind tunnel resources.

I believe that they have used it to develop their current car (and also used it in 2012 to develop their car then too, although most of the work was carried out in house), with the 2014 car being developed in house. It seems that the TMG's wind tunnel is quite popular with a number of teams who have sometimes suffered from correlation issues in the past and wish to check their results against a known wind tunnel of similar sophistication to theirs.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 12 May 2013, 07:38

mario wrote:It's the third sector where they're making up a lot of time over their rivals, so it does seem as if Mercedes do have decent mechanical grip (which might auger well for Monaco in that case).

Seeing Schumacher scoring the fastest time in Q3 last year, I certainly think they will be capable of a win, if no mechanical failures occur.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 12 May 2013, 09:28

Let's all call a stop at the GP weekend madness and take a moment to be sweet-and-sour happy for Maria de Villota, who is back in the paddock this weekend, for the first time since her accident:

MariaDeVillota wrote:Although looking in the picture of health in Barcelona this weekend, her recovery is still being monitored by brain and eye specialists at Madrid's La Paz University Hospital, and the loss of her right eye inevitably means that she will never again be able to pursue her dream of being a Grand Prix driver.

"I have dedicated my whole life to being a F1 driver. That part of my life ... so many efforts, so many years," she said, understandably still finding it a difficult subject to talk about.

"It's still a tough thing to think [about]," she admitted. "But I'm alive, that's the [main] thing.

Good luck, Maria!

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 12 May 2013, 09:32

Having watched the support races i think the Mercedes tire wear everyone is worrying about might not come to fruition. The skies instead look like dark clouds. As a Merc/Nico Rosberg fan i hope it stays that way

johnnyCarwash · Post by **johnnyCarwash** » 12 May 2013, 10:03

Just a quick stat before the race starts.

Only once has a driver won the race from outside the front row starting position at the Circuit de Catalunya and that was Schumacher in 96 when.
Could this be the second time this happens in the circuit's history?

I also share the opinion that the Mercedes have the possibility to surprise us and take the win

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 12 May 2013, 10:31

johnnyCarwash wrote:I also share the opinion that the Mercedes have the possibility to surprise us and take the win

Well they're playing their chances down at the mo but lets hope so. Im a Hamilton fan but the hangover I have today means I hope Rosberg wins because I dont think I can cope with the sheer Lewisteria in the media if he doesnt :lol:

Im really pleased with Guiterrez (is that how you spell it?) and I just hope he keeps things tidy for the race.

Divina_Galica · Post by **Divina_Galica** » 12 May 2013, 10:35

CoopsII wrote:Im really pleased with Guiterrez (is that how you spell it?) and I just hope he keeps things tidy for the race.

..."pleased" as in he's already had a three place grid penalty for blocking in Q1??

(nearly right spelling - way I remember it is two "t's" twice in Valtteri Bottas, one "t" twice in Esteban Gutiérrez)

DG

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 12 May 2013, 10:48

Divina_Galica wrote:..."pleased" as in he's already had a three place grid penalty for blocking in Q1??

He's one of my favourite Rejects currently, things like that add to his charm.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 12 May 2013, 11:26

CarlosFerreira wrote:Let's all call a stop at the GP weekend madness and take a moment to be sweet-and-sour happy for Maria de Villota, who is back in the paddock this weekend, for the first time since her accident:

MariaDeVillota wrote:Although looking in the picture of health in Barcelona this weekend, her recovery is still being monitored by brain and eye specialists at Madrid's La Paz University Hospital, and the loss of her right eye inevitably means that she will never again be able to pursue her dream of being a Grand Prix driver.

"I have dedicated my whole life to being a F1 driver. That part of my life ... so many efforts, so many years," she said, understandably still finding it a difficult subject to talk about.

"It's still a tough thing to think [about]," she admitted. "But I'm alive, that's the [main] thing.

Good luck, Maria!

If I may re-post my little poem from the Ponderbox thread:

Maria de Villota
Was a Formula 1 test Pilota
She could have taken pole at Cota
She is tougher than Jake la Motta

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 12 May 2013, 12:02

Race hasn't even started yet and already Vettel is moaning

S951 · Post by **S951** » 12 May 2013, 12:08

button 17th not good

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 12 May 2013, 12:12

Alonso's pass on Kimi and Lewis was magnificent. Truly instinctual.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 12 May 2013, 12:20

Gutierrez Gutierrez is leading.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 12 May 2013, 12:24

What a déjavu.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 12 May 2013, 12:25

massa driving well

possible ferrari 1-2?

S951 · Post by **S951** » 12 May 2013, 12:33

how fast is str going?? going very well atm

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 12 May 2013, 12:39

GvdG's wheel decides to visit the circuit on its own.

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 12 May 2013, 12:49

Just heard from Lewis on the radio 'I can't drive any slower.' Oh dear

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 12 May 2013, 12:53

Bianchi is keeping up with Vettel... wow :lol:

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 12 May 2013, 13:03

Sauber really bad stop. The Hulk gets a stop and go for hitting the toro rosso

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 12 May 2013, 13:31

You know this race is turning into a borefest when you see Hamilton and Sutil battle for 12th...

Post by **mario** » 12 May 2013, 13:51

Shizuka wrote:You know this race is turning into a borefest when you see Hamilton and Sutil battle for 12th...

There was the battle between Rosberg and Di Resta for 6th, although the latter did kind of back out of it in the end - still, considering that Hamilton started in 2nd place, to end up in a slightly fortunate 12th place is rather worrying (and he was sounding pretty grumpy earlier in the race when even Maldonado passed him for a bit).

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 12 May 2013, 13:52

Really nice race, with enough strategy variety and good competition all round.

What happened to the Red Bulls? Either Vettel's car had something broken, or they set it up to protect the left rear tyre and ended up creating too much understeer. I don't think I saw Vettel hit a single apex in the couple of times we saw on-board shot of his race.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 12 May 2013, 13:53

82 pit stops. Six shy of the record.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 12 May 2013, 13:56

Oh dear EJ is doing the podium interviews

Post by **mario** » 12 May 2013, 13:57

CarlosFerreira wrote:Really nice race, with enough strategy variety and good competition all round.

What happened to the Red Bulls? Either Vettel's car had something broken, or they set it up to protect the left rear tyre and ended up creating too much understeer. I don't think I saw Vettel hit a single apex in the couple of times we saw on-board shot of his race.

Going by the messages that were being sent to him from the pit wall, I would assume that it was the latter option and Vettel was trying to protect his tyres - as you say, though, he was really struggling to get the front turned in throughout the race.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 12 May 2013, 13:58

Kimi-ICE wrote:Having watched the support races i think the Mercedes tire wear everyone is worrying about might not come to fruition. The skies instead look like dark clouds. As a Merc/Nico Rosberg fan i hope it stays that way

You were saying? :lol:

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 12 May 2013, 14:02

Oh come on that's the second time today iv'e been mocked like that. As the Iceman says "Leave me alone i know what i'm saying"

I'm fearing that i'm going to get a ROTR nomination at some point as well

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 12 May 2013, 14:05

Kimi-ICE wrote:Oh come on that's the second time today iv'e been mocked like that. As the Iceman says "Leave me alone i know what i'm saying"

To be fair though if it been a 1-2 for Mercedes we would look like idiots now

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 12 May 2013, 14:14

mario wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:What happened to the Red Bulls? Either Vettel's car had something broken, or they set it up to protect the left rear tyre and ended up creating too much understeer. I don't think I saw Vettel hit a single apex in the couple of times we saw on-board shot of his race.

Going by the messages that were being sent to him from the pit wall, I would assume that it was the latter option and Vettel was trying to protect his tyres - as you say, though, he was really struggling to get the front turned in throughout the race.

Yeah, you can tell why it is that Red Bull (and Mercedes) are lobbying so strongly for tyre changes - and using the German press to do it. Pirelli will be under increasing pressure to change the tyre compounds and construction, and I am sure that Verge's rather spectacular delamination live on TV will also be used to put more pressure on Pirelli.