The 2013 Canadian Grand Prix Thread

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:20

S951 wrote:Alonso catching Hamilton by a fair bit

Please catch him quickly so alonso can go after Finger boy

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:21

Adrian, what are you doing!?

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:22

rachel1990 wrote:
S951 wrote:Alonso catching Hamilton by a fair bit

Please catch him quickly so alonso can go after Finger boy

Extreme optimism, there

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:23

PT8475 wrote:
rachel1990 wrote:
S951 wrote:Alonso catching Hamilton by a fair bit

Please catch him quickly so alonso can go after Finger boy

Extreme optimism, there

Thats all I have left for this race!

JJMonty · Post by **JJMonty** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:24

Sutil given a penalty?

Bloody hell the stewards are being very, very, very! strict today :shock:

S951 · Post by **S951** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:25

he is past your wish is partially coming true!

Post by **Londoner** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:26

No holds-barred pass there by Alonso, bloody hell! :shock:

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:26

JJMonty wrote:Sutil given a penalty?

Bloody hell the stewards are being very, very, very! strict today

No, Sutil cannot simply pretend the rules don't apply to him.

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:27

Webber's dropped off somewhat - he's been nowhere near his aggressive best at all this season, barring Malaysia.

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:27

Should Ross Brawn be talking to the BBC while his driver is being past?

JJMonty · Post by **JJMonty** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:28

CarlosFerreira wrote:
JJMonty wrote:Sutil given a penalty?

Bloody hell the stewards are being very, very, very! strict today

No, Sutil cannot simply pretend the rules don't apply to him.

But he wasn't holding up Hamilton from what I could see

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:29

I'll tell you something: Mclaren look like seeing their points record broken although Perez is only 2 seconds down on Sutil

S951 · Post by **S951** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:30

Gut out coming out of the pits?

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:32

Do we not get a replay of the only crash? This Director's been pretty shite...

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:32

JJMonty wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:
JJMonty wrote:Sutil given a penalty?

Bloody hell the stewards are being very, very, very! strict today

No, Sutil cannot simply pretend the rules don't apply to him.

But he wasn't holding up Hamilton from what I could see

Sure, but that's not the point. 3 corners to let the leader pass, or get a penalty. And I am one of the people who thinks blue flags are stupid and should be abolished.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:35

I think that Maldonado's penalty today early in the race was very petty. I understand the FIA are trying to clamp down on driver behaviour but I think that if the same thing happened ten, maybe even 5 years ago nothing would have happened. Maldonado out braked himself, touched Sutil without damaging his car, and was left with a broken front wing. If Sutil had been damaged or spun by Maldonado then fair enough, penalty should be applied, but in this case the penalty was in the form of the damage to the front wing. Whatever happened to racing incidents?

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:37

Well at least its over

S951 · Post by **S951** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:37

so vettel does win

ermm not really to much to say about this race usually quite good but pretty boring this year not to much to note

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:37

pasta_maldonado wrote:I think that Maldonado's penalty today early in the race was very petty. I understand the FIA are trying to clamp down on driver behaviour but I think that if the same thing happened ten, maybe even 5 years ago nothing would have happened. Maldonado out braked himself, touched Sutil without damaging his car, and was left with a broken front wing. If Sutil had been damaged or spun by Maldonado then fair enough, penalty should be applied, but in this case the penalty was in the form of the damage to the front wing. Whatever happened to racing incidents?

Racing incidents died the day everyone celebrated Schumacher first, then Gutierrez and last time around Grosjean weren't allowed to miss braking points.

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:39

CarlosFerreira wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:I think that Maldonado's penalty today early in the race was very petty. I understand the FIA are trying to clamp down on driver behaviour but I think that if the same thing happened ten, maybe even 5 years ago nothing would have happened. Maldonado out braked himself, touched Sutil without damaging his car, and was left with a broken front wing. If Sutil had been damaged or spun by Maldonado then fair enough, penalty should be applied, but in this case the penalty was in the form of the damage to the front wing. Whatever happened to racing incidents?

Racing incidents died the day everyone celebrated Schumacher first, then Gutierrez and last time around Grosjean weren't allowed to miss braking points.

Grosjean's penalty two weekends ago was ridiculous. The penalty system really needs sorting out, and I hate that the incidents of one race can affect the results of the next in the form of grid penalties.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:40

JEV one third of the way there. First top 6 finish for Toro Rosso for a long time.

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:41

And now Vettel discusses his failure to get fastest lap. You've got to love him sometimes!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:43

PT8475 wrote:And now Vettel discusses his failure to get fastest lap. You've got to love him sometimes!

No, no I don't.

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:52

Vettel booed. Perhaps this should be a wake up call for this supposed "great" champion.

lgaquino · Post by **lgaquino** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:55

TheBigJ wrote:Vettel booed. Perhaps this should be a wake up call for this supposed "great" champion.

don't understand your point. What's he supposed to do differently, park the car and try to win from last?

Dominant performance. Superb.
But the race itself was..a bit boring. Some nice battles, but Canada usually produces epic races

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 09 Jun 2013, 19:58

lgaquino wrote:
TheBigJ wrote:Vettel booed. Perhaps this should be a wake up call for this supposed "great" champion.

don't understand your point. What's he supposed to do differently, park the car and try to win from last?

Dominant performance. Superb.
But the race itself was..a bit boring. Some nice battles, but Canada usually produces epic races

I think they are booing because of Malaysia. And for general hate towards Redd Bull racing policy.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 09 Jun 2013, 20:00

Here are the stats.

1) Of course, this is Red Bull's first win in North America. They have only yet to win in Africa and Antarctica.

2) This is McLaren's first failure to score since Abu Dhabi in 2009, when LH retired and HK (remember him?) was nowhere.
3) Kimi Räikkönen has now scored for the 24th straight race. If he scores at Silverstone, he break Michael Schumacher's 10-year record.
4) Jean-Eric Vergne, with 6th has scored STR's first top-6 finish since Brazil 2008 when Vettel was 4th.
5) This is the first time only 5 cars or less have been on the lead lap since Brazil 2011. It could well have been 4.
6) Sauber score a disastrous double-DNF, with Hülkenberg and Gutiérrez both retiring due to incidents.
7) Williams, including the last round of last year, have now gone 8 races without a point.
8) Vettel's 29th win.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 09 Jun 2013, 20:01

lgaquino wrote:
TheBigJ wrote:Vettel booed. Perhaps this should be a wake up call for this supposed "great" champion.

don't understand your point. What's he supposed to do differently, park the car and try to win from last?

Dominant performance. Superb.
But the race itself was..a bit boring. Some nice battles, but Canada usually produces epic races

Well, I can't fault his race craft and speed, he's a great driver for certain, but what irritates me about him is he's far too arrogant and cocky, like Hamilton, the bad ethos within Red Bull has given him a superior attitude, and although he puts on a nice front in public, radio conversations with the team where he attacks them for doing wrong makes me think he's a bastard behind closed doors.

lgaquino · Post by **lgaquino** » 09 Jun 2013, 20:02

I think they are booing because of Malaysia. And for general hate towards Redd Bull racing policy.

and yet, they cheer Alonso ...
Seems inconsistent.

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 09 Jun 2013, 20:03

pasta_maldonado wrote:
lgaquino wrote:
TheBigJ wrote:Vettel booed. Perhaps this should be a wake up call for this supposed "great" champion.

don't understand your point. What's he supposed to do differently, park the car and try to win from last?

Dominant performance. Superb.
But the race itself was..a bit boring. Some nice battles, but Canada usually produces epic races

Well, I can't fault his race craft and speed, he's a great driver for certain, but what irritates me about him is he's far too arrogant and cocky, like Hamilton, the bad ethos within Red Bull has given him a superior attitude, and although he puts on a nice front in public, radio conversations with the team where he attacks them for doing wrong makes me think he's a bastard behind closed doors.

He's never attacked the team for doing wrong on radio... Certainly much less than other drivers that could be mentioned...

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 09 Jun 2013, 20:05

Seriously i hate the current podiums for 3 reasons

1 The podium itself: The 2nd and 3rd steps and the constructors step is ridiculously small. Get back to the old podiums pre-Britain 2012

2 The music absolutely sucks. The Podium should be a quiet thing where we can hear the crowd cheering a driver receiving his trophy

3 The Podium interviews: Why oh Why do they put Eddie Jordan in this job? It's no wonder some of us say that HWNSNBM should not turn up to this gimmick. In fact HWNSNBM should hold the FIA hostage and force them to drop this gimmick

lgaquino · Post by **lgaquino** » 09 Jun 2013, 20:10

Attacking his own team doesn't seem a nice thing to do, but sometimes we loose our cool under frustration. specially under pressure. It's normal, they [the drivers] a regular people from time to time [other times they're media robots]

Feeling superior, or being cocky for that matter, may not be pleasant..but it better than false modesty I guess.
I like Vettel, he looks more like a normal, regular guy [with his pros and cons] than most of other drivers. Even after the media facade. Plus he's very driven, very focused.. Something I personally admire.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 09 Jun 2013, 20:13

lgaquino wrote:
I think they are booing because of Malaysia. And for general hate towards Redd Bull racing policy.

and yet, they cheer Alonso ...
Seems inconsistent.

Because you know what you get with Alonso. Vettel and Red Bull try to make themselves out as the good guys, even though they're anything but.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 09 Jun 2013, 20:17

Kimi-ICE wrote:Seriously i hate the current podiums for 3 reasons

1 The podium itself: The 2nd and 3rd steps and the constructors step is ridiculously small. Get back to the old podiums pre-Britain 2012

2 The music absolutely sucks. The Podium should be a quiet thing where we can hear the crowd cheering a driver receiving his trophy

3 The Podium interviews: Why oh Why do they put Eddie Jordan in this job? It's no wonder some of us say that HWNSNBM should not turn up to this gimmick. In fact HWNSNBM should hold the FIA hostage and force them to drop this gimmick

1: I don't think that's a problem really. A driver on the podium is going to be happy regardless of step size, unless he thought he should have won! The constructor shouldn't really get a step, it's the driver's podium, not the team's.

2: Disagreed. The anthem is a chance for the driver to reflect on his victory and the crowd to cheer if they wish, hearing the air horns of the Tifosi over the Italian anthem after a Ferrari driver has won in Italy is hair raising. The champagne song is also good as it adds celebration to the podium, allows the drivers to have a bit of fun and the crowd to cheer more if they want to!

3: Agreed. Podium interviews are rubbish and I don't see why they invented them. The press conference allowed the drivers to gather their thoughts before talking about the race, and the interviews were conducted by an someone who knew what they were doing!

lgaquino · Post by **lgaquino** » 09 Jun 2013, 20:22

I understand RBR changed somewhat as they became a dominant force..but isn't that what always happens?
I'm not defending them, don't get me wrong. 8-)

Because you know what you get with Alonso. Vettel and Red Bull try to make themselves out as the good guys, even though they're anything but.

I think this might be an unpopular opinion, but I know what one gets with Alonso: An amazing and persistent opponent, yes. But when things get more serious towards the end, you'll also get a very political and bitchy opponent. Personally, I don't trust him to be "fair"

But he's damn good, that's for sure!

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 09 Jun 2013, 20:23

pasta_maldonado wrote:
Kimi-ICE wrote:Seriously i hate the current podiums for 3 reasons

1 The podium itself: The 2nd and 3rd steps and the constructors step is ridiculously small. Get back to the old podiums pre-Britain 2012

2 The music absolutely sucks. The Podium should be a quiet thing where we can hear the crowd cheering a driver receiving his trophy

3 The Podium interviews: Why oh Why do they put Eddie Jordan in this job? It's no wonder some of us say that HWNSNBM should not turn up to this gimmick. In fact HWNSNBM should hold the FIA hostage and force them to drop this gimmick

1: I don't think that's a problem really. A driver on the podium is going to be happy regardless of step size, unless he thought he should have won! The constructor shouldn't really get a step, it's the driver's podium, not the team's.

2: Disagreed. The anthem is a chance for the driver to reflect on his victory and the crowd to cheer if they wish, hearing the air horns of the Tifosi over the Italian anthem after a Ferrari driver has won in Italy is hair raising. The champagne song is also good as it adds celebration to the podium, allows the drivers to have a bit of fun and the crowd to cheer more if they want to!

3: Agreed. Podium interviews are rubbish and I don't see why they invented them. The press conference allowed the drivers to gather their thoughts before talking about the race, and the interviews were conducted by an someone who knew what they were doing!

Just to clarify i meant the champagne music sucks not the national anthems. It belongs in an orchestra not a Grand Prix. Although the German anthem played in Monaco sounded poor.

lgaquino · Post by **lgaquino** » 09 Jun 2013, 20:25

3: Agreed. Podium interviews are rubbish and I don't see why they invented them. The press conference allowed the drivers to gather their thoughts before talking about the race, and the interviews were conducted by an someone who knew what they were doing!

indeed. But, if we absolutely have to have it like that, DC and brundle did a fairly good job at it, don't you think?

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 09 Jun 2013, 20:25

pasta_maldonado wrote:3: Agreed. Podium interviews are rubbish and I don't see why they invented them. The press conference allowed the drivers to gather their thoughts before talking about the race, and the interviews were conducted by an someone who knew what they were doing!

For me, the best part of the podium interviews is when veteran drivers (Stewart, Lauda, Ickx, Alesi, Herbert, Mario and Piquet Sr.) interview the drivers. This year, only DC, Brundle and EJ have been up there and there have been zero true veteran drivers, which is my reason for going back to the Press Conference because this is getting truly monotonous.

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 09 Jun 2013, 20:33

Vettel getting booed on the podium restored my faith in humanity, and the F1 viewing public.

And hello everyone, I've been reading this forum for months but never commented for fear of looking foolish, but I simply had to escape the Vettel fanboyism on F1 fanatic. The degree of expertise on here is incredible, so I'll mostly ask questions/keep my mouth shut.

Hi

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 09 Jun 2013, 20:37

pasta_maldonado wrote:The champagne song

It's Georges Bizet to you, mister.