F1 Rejects Forum Ratings 2013

[QuickYoda41]

Standings after 1 race:

Drivers:
1. Kimi Räikkönen 25
2. Adrian Sutil 18
3. Fernando Alonso 15
4. Felipe Massa 12
5. Jules Bianchi 10
6. Lewis Hamilton 8
7. Sebastian Vettel 6
8. Nico Rosberg 4
9. Jean-Eric Vergne 2
10. Paul Di Resta 1
11. Jenson Button 0
12. Max Chilton 0
13. Charles Pic 0
14. Mark Webber 0
15. Valtteri Bottas 0
16. Daniel Ricciardo 0
17. Esteban Gutierrez 0
18. Romain Grosjean 0
19. Sergio Perez 0
20. Giedo Van Der Garde 0
21. Pastor Maldonado 0

Season average:
1. Kimi Räikkönen 9,69
2. Adrian Sutil 8,97
3. Fernando Alonso 8,50
4. Felipe Massa 7,67
5. Jules Bianchi 7,50
6. Lewis Hamilton 7,17
7. Sebastian Vettel 7,11
8. Nico Rosberg 6,74
9. Jean-Eric Vergne 6,19
10. Paul Di Resta 6,06
11. Jenson Button 5,39
12. Max Chilton 5,33
13. Charles Pic 4,83
14. Mark Webber 4,69
15. Valtteri Bottas 4,64
16. Daniel Ricciardo 4,56
17. Esteban Gutierrez 4,50
18. Romain Grosjean 4,50
19. Sergio Perez 4,22
20. Giedo Van Der Garde 3,92
21. Pastor Maldonado 2,58

Teams' season averages:
1. Lotus 8,67
2. Ferrari 8,33
3. Force India 7,89
4. Marussia 7,33
5. Red Bull 6,78
6. Mercedes 6,78
7. Toro Rosso 5,00
8. Sauber 4,33
9. Caterham 2,78
10. Williams 2,67
11. McLaren 2,00

I haven't decided yet what points system to use for teams - feel free to share your opinions on the matter.

[pi314159]

For teams maybe 10-6-4-3-2-1 ?

[AndreaModa]

Or just use the points the drivers accumulate? That would still be a fairly accurate rendition of a team's performance over the year.

[Shadaza]

I feel the rating of the McLaren drivers is a bit harsh, it was the car that was awful not them!

[Meatwad]

Or just use the points the drivers accumulate? That would still be a fairly accurate rendition of a team's performance over the year.

I support this alternative. It shows which team has had the best driver line-up while the average ratings tell more about the team's performance on the technical side (as well as how they meet their expectations).

[Rusujuur]

I feel the rating of the McLaren drivers is a bit harsh, it was the car that was awful not them!

I also strongly agree. If the car is a dog there is nothing you can do about it really, maybe Button and Perez had ok races but as they are in a McLaren we expect them to fight for wins. Button lost a place but Perez gained some, so might have had great pace... But the expectations will change after a few races if it becomes established that the car is, let's say 6th or 7th fastest.

[Salamander]

For teams maybe 10-6-4-3-2-1 ?

Or just use the points the drivers accumulate? That would still be a fairly accurate rendition of a team's performance over the year.

Why not both?

[QuickYoda41]

Standings after 2 race:

Drivers:
1. Mark Webber 25
2. Kimi Räikkönen 25
3. Jules Bianchi 25
4. Jenson Button 18
5. Adrian Sutil 18
6. Sebastian Vettel 18
7. Fernando Alonso 15
8. Felipe Massa 14
9. Nico Rosberg 14
10. Lewis Hamilton 14
11. Nico Hülkenberg 8
12. Romain Grosjean 4
13. Jean-Eric Vergne 2
14. Paul Di Resta 1
15. Valtteri Bottas 1
16. Max Chilton 0
17. Charles Pic 0
18. Sergio Perez 0
19. Giedo Van Der Garde 0
20. Daniel Ricciardo 0
21. Esteban Gutierrez 0
22. Pastor Maldonado 0

Season averages:
1. Jules Bianchi 7,69
2. Nico Hülkenberg 7,54
3. Sebastian Vettel 7,44
4. Adrian Sutil 7,35
5. Lewis Hamilton 7,34
6. Kimi Räikkönen 7,29
7. Nico Rosberg 7,16
8. Felipe Massa 7,15
9. Jenson Button 6,95
10. Mark Webber 6,67
11. Jean-Eric Vergne 6,04
12. Romain Grosjean 5,98
13. Paul Di Resta 5,93
14. Valtteri Bottas 5,30
15. Fernando Alonso 5,02
16. Charles Pic 4,96
17. Sergio Perez 4,94
18. Max Chilton 4,63
19. Giedo Van Der Garde 4,58
20. Daniel Ricciardo 4,57
21. Esteban Gutierrez 4,52
22. Pastor Maldonado 2,41

Teams' championship:
1. Lotus 13
2. Mercedes 11
3. Marussia 9
4. Ferrari 7
5. Red Bull 6
6. Force India 4
7. Sauber 2
8. Toro Rosso 0
9. McLaren 0
10. Caterham 0
11. Williams 0

Points of the drivers combined:
1. Red Bull 43
2. Lotus 29
3. Ferrari 29
4. Mercedes 28
5. Marussia 25
6. Force India 19
7. McLaren 18
8. Sauber 8
9. Toro Rosso 2
10. Williams 1
11. Caterham 0

Teams' season averages:
1. Mercedes 7,46
2. Lotus 7,46
3. Marussia 7,04
4. Red Bull 6,58
5. Ferrari 6,48
6. Sauber 5,23
7. Force India 4,57
8. Toro Rosso 4,50
9. Caterham 3,39
10. Williams 3,34
11. McLaren 3,13

[WaffleCat]

Only on F1 rejects can Jules Bianchi lead a championship.

[Salamander]

Only on F1 rejects can a Marussia lead a championship.

Fixed. Jules Bianchi is definately good enough to do it on his own merit, given the machinery.

[Onxy Wrecked]

Only on F1 rejects can a Marussia lead a championship.

Fixed. Jules Bianchi is definately good enough to do it on his own merit, given the machinery.

He'd be a strong contender to win a championship in any above average F1 car given how strong he has driven a Marussia to being alongside of the Williams cars which are a level above.

[shinji]

Only on F1 rejects can a Marussia lead a championship.

Fixed. Jules Bianchi is definately good enough to do it on his own merit, given the machinery.

He'd be a strong contender to win a championship in any above average F1 car given how strong he has driven a Marussia to being alongside of the Williams cars which are a level above.

Ah now, he's done very well and I'd hold high hopes for him but that's a bit excessive.

[Onxy Wrecked]

Ah now, he's done very well and I'd hold high hopes for him but that's a bit excessive.

I think we've seen this before with Alonso when he was at Minardi and most dry races with Vettel at Toro Rosso back when Toro Rosso was a backmarker. Alonso got mighty close last year to winning the championship in that Ferrari which was good, but not great. Bianchi might be that type of talent, but it is early in his career.

[Nessafox]

I'm finding it funny that Bianchi has suddenly become the biggest hype in F1, while a few weeks ago, people didn't care about him at all

[Salamander]

I'm finding it funny that Bianchi has suddenly become the biggest hype in F1, while a few weeks ago, people didn't care about him at all

Well, being awesome for Marussia will do that for you.

[go_Rubens]

I'm finding it funny that Bianchi has suddenly become the biggest hype in F1, while a few weeks ago, people didn't care about him at all

Well, being awesome for Marussia will do that for you.

Bianchi has finished in the top 15 in the first two races this year. Even if attrition helped, that is mighty impressive. Bianchi is doing very well for the car he has. I'm not sure you could say the same for Chilton.

[QuickYoda41]

I won't watch the Chinese GP until the late afternoon (CET), so if you'll be in an urge to rate, feel free to open the ratings thread. It usually happens anyway when I'm not around at the time, but now I know it well in advance.

[QuickYoda41]

Standings after 3 races:

Drivers:
1. Fernando Alonso 40
2. Kimi Räikkönen 37
3. Jenson Button 33
4. Jules Bianchi 31
5. Mark Webber 25
6. Lewis Hamilton 24
7. Sebastian Vettel 20
8. Adrian Sutil 18
9. Daniel Ricciardo 18
10. Nico Hülkenberg 16
11. Felipe Massa 14
12. Nico Rosberg 14
13. Paul Di Resta 5
14. Romain Grosjean 4
15. Jean-Eric Vergne 2
16. Charles Pic 1
17. Valtteri Bottas 1
18. Max Chilton 0
19. Sergio Perez 0
20. Giedo Van Der Garde 0
21. Esteban Gutierrez 0
22. Pastor Maldonado 0

Season averages:
1. Kimi Räikkönen 7,74
2. Lewis Hamilton 7,63
3. Jules Bianchi 7,59
4. Jenson Button 7,54
5. Nico Hülkenberg 7,53
6. Sebastian Vettel 7,32
7. Adrian Sutil 6,70
8. Felipe Massa 6,66
9. Fernando Alonso 6,61
10. Nico Rosberg 6,55
11. Paul di Resta 6,37
12. Daniel Ricciardo 6,00
13. Jean-Eric Vergne 5,82
14. Romain Grosjean 5,71
15. Mark Webber 5,55
16. Charles Pic 5,23
17. Valtteri Bottas 5,23
18. Max Chilton 4,89
19. Giedo Van Der Garde 4,51
20. Sergio Perez 4,48
21. Esteban Gutierrez 3,43
22. Pastor Maldonado 3,07

Teams' championship:
1. Ferrari 17
2. Lotus 17
3. Mercedes 14
4. Marussia 9
5. Toro Rosso 6
6. Red Bull 6
7. Force India 5
8. Sauber 4
9. McLaren 0
10. Caterham 0
11. Williams 0

Points of the drivers combined:
1. Ferrari 54
2. Red Bull 45
3. Lotus 41
4. Mercedes 38
5. McLaren 33
6. Marussia 31
7. Force India 23
8. Toro Rosso 20
9. Sauber 16
10. Williams 1
11. Caterham 1

Teams' season averages:
1. Lotus 7,45
2. Mercedes 7,31
3. Ferrari 6,99
4. Marussia 6,84
5. Sauber 5,82
6. Toro Rosso 5,57
7. Force India 5,28
8. Red Bull 5,01
9. McLaren 4,08
10. Caterham 3,45
11. Williams 2,84

[QuickYoda41]

Standings after 4 races:

Drivers:
1. Fernando Alonso 50
2. Kimi Räikkönen 49
3. Sebastian Vettel 45
4. Jenson Button 33
5. Jules Bianchi 31
6. Lewis Hamilton 28
7. Mark Webber 25
8. Paul Di Resta 23
9. Adrian Sutil 19
10. Romain Grosjean 19
11. Daniel Ricciardo 18
12. Nico Hülkenberg 16
13. Felipe Massa 14
14. Nico Rosberg 14
15. Charles Pic 9
16. Sergio Perez 6
17. Jean-Eric Vergne 2
18. Pastor Maldonado 2
19. Valtteri Bottas 1
20. Max Chilton 0
21. Giedo Van Der Garde 0
22. Esteban Gutierrez 0

Season averages:
1. Kimi Räikkönen 7,97
2. Sebastian Vettel 7,88
3. Lewis Hamilton 7,45
4. Jules Bianchi 7,11
5. Paul di Resta 7,10
6. Jenson Button 7,08
7. Fernando Alonso 6,99
8. Nico Hülkenberg 6,82
9. Adrian Sutil 6,61
10. Romain Grosjean 6,48
11. Nico Rosberg 6,24
12. Felipe Massa 6,22
13. Charles Pic 5,92
14. Daniel Ricciardo 5,66
15. Mark Webber 5,62
16. Jean-Eric Vergne 5,41
17. Valtteri Bottas 5,37
18. Sergio Perez 5,27
19. Max Chilton 5,01
20. Giedo Van Der Garde 4,10
21. Pastor Maldonado 4,03
22. Esteban Gutierrez 3,02

Teams' championship:
1. Lotus 23
2. Ferrari 17
3. Mercedes 16
4. Force India 15
5. Red Bull 10
6. Marussia 9
7. Toro Rosso 6
8. Sauber 4
9. McLaren 3
10. Caterham 1
11. Williams 0

Points of the drivers combined:
1. Red Bull 70
2. Lotus 68
3. Ferrari 64
4. Force India 42
5. Mercedes 42
6. McLaren 39
7. Marussia 31
8. Toro Rosso 20
9. Sauber 16
10. Caterham 9
11. Williams 3

Teams' season averages:
1. Lotus 7,76
2. Mercedes 7,06
3. Marussia 6,28
4. Force India 6,24
5. Ferrari 6,07
6. Red Bull 5,86
7. Sauber 5,29
8. Toro Rosso 5,23
9. McLaren 4,74
10. Caterham 4,01
11. Williams 3,38

[QuickYoda41]

Standings after 4 races:

Drivers:
1. Fernando Alonso 75
2. Kimi Räikkönen 67
3. Sebastian Vettel 47
4. Jenson Button 33
5. Paul Di Resta 31
6. Jules Bianchi 31
7. Felipe Massa 29
8. Daniel Ricciardo 28
9. Lewis Hamilton 28
10. Mark Webber 25
11. Adrian Sutil 19
12. Romain Grosjean 19
13. Nico Hülkenberg 16
14. Nico Rosberg 15
15. Charles Pic 15
16. Esteban Gutierrez 12
17. Sergio Perez 10
18. Jean-Eric Vergne 2
19. Pastor Maldonado 2
20. Valtteri Bottas 1
21. Giedo Van Der Garde 0
22. Max Chilton 0

Season averages:
1. Kimi Räikkönen 8,17
2. Sebastian Vettel 7,58
3. Fernando Alonso 7,56
4. Paul di Resta 7,13
5. Jenson Button 6,90
6. Jules Bianchi 6,85
7. Felipe Massa 6,71
8. Lewis Hamilton 6,53
9. Adrian Sutil 6,40
10. Romain Grosjean 6,32
11. Nico Rosberg 6,27
12. Nico Hülkenberg 6,20
13. Charles Pic 6,05
14. Daniel Ricciardo 6,04
15. Mark Webber 5,71
16. Sergio Perez 5,53
17. Jean-Eric Vergne 5,37
17. Valtteri Bottas 5,07
19. Max Chilton 4,90
20. Giedo Van Der Garde 4,55
21. Pastor Maldonado 4,17
22. Esteban Gutierrez 3,96

Teams' championship:
1. Lotus 29
2. Ferrari 27
3. Force India 18
4. Mercedes 16
5. Red Bull 12
6. Toro Rosso 10
7. Marussia 9
8. McLaren 4
9. Sauber 4
10. Caterham 1
11. Williams 0

Points of the drivers combined:
1. Ferrari 104
2. Lotus 86
3. Red Bull 72
4. Force India 50
5. McLaren 43
6. Mercedes 43
7. Marussia 31
8. Toro Rosso 30
9. Sauber 28
10. Caterham 15
11. Williams 3

Teams' season averages:
1. Lotus 7,71
2. Ferrari 6,79
3. Force India 6,26
4. Mercedes 6,08
5. Marussia 5,89
6. Red Bull 5,85
7. Toro Rosso 5,52
8. Sauber 4,93
9. McLaren 4,79
10. Caterham 4,21
11. Williams 3,07

[QuickYoda41]

Standings after 7 races:

Drivers:
1. Fernando Alonso 90
2. Sebastian Vettel 82
3. Kimi Räikkönen 75
4. Lewis Hamilton 48
5. Paul Di Resta 47
6. Mark Webber 41
7. Nico Rosberg 41
8. Adrian Sutil 37
9. Jenson Button 35
10. Jean-Eric Vergne 35
11. Felipe Massa 35
12. Jules Bianchi 33
13. Daniel Ricciardo 28
14. Romain Grosjean 19
15. Nico Hülkenberg 16
16. Charles Pic 15
17. Esteban Gutierrez 12
18. Sergio Perez 10
19. Valtteri Bottas 5
20. Pastor Maldonado 2
21. Giedo Van Der Garde 1
22. Max Chilton 0

Season averages:
1. Sebastian Vettel 7,84
2. Kimi Räikkönen 7,57
3. Fernando Alonso 7,34
4. Paul di Resta 7,28
5. Lewis Hamilton 6,85
6. Nico Rosberg 6,77
7. Adrian Sutil 6,74
8. Jenson Button 6,48
9. Jules Bianchi 6,37
10. Felipe Massa 6,25
11. Jean-Eric Vergne 6,24
12. Mark Webber 6,20
13. Charles Pic 5,80
14. Nico Hülkenberg 5,80
15. Daniel Ricciardo 5,72
16. Romain Grosjean 5,41
17. Valtteri Bottas 5,33
18. Sergio Perez 5,25
19. Max Chilton 4,44
20. Giedo Van Der Garde 4,35
21. Pastor Maldonado 4,12
22. Esteban Gutierrez 4,04

Teams' championship:
1. Ferrari 31
2. Force India 30
3. Mercedes 29
4. Lotus 29
5. Red Bull 26
6. Toro Rosso 15
7. Marussia 10
8. McLaren 6
9. Sauber 4
10. Caterham 2
11. Williams 0

Points of the drivers combined:
1. Ferrari 125
2. Red Bull 123
3. Lotus 94
4. Mercedes 89
5. Force India 84
6. Toro Rosso 63
7. McLaren 45
8. Marussia 33
9. Sauber 28
10. Caterham 16
11. Williams 7

Teams' season averages:
1. Force India 6,83
2. Lotus 6,74
3. Mercedes 6,59
4. Ferrari 6,58
5. Red Bull 6,49
6. Toro Rosso 5,84
7. Marussia 5,50
8. McLaren 4,59
9. Sauber 4,54
10. Caterham 4,31
11. Williams 3,39

[QuickYoda41]

Standings after 8 races:

Drivers:
1. Fernando Alonso 98
2. Sebastian Vettel 92
3. Kimi Räikkönen 76
4. Mark Webber 66
5. Lewis Hamilton 66
6. Nico Rosberg 56
7. Paul Di Resta 49
8. Felipe Massa 47
9. Adrian Sutil 43
10. Jenson Button 35
11. Jean-Eric Vergne 35
12. Jules Bianchi 33
13. Daniel Ricciardo 32
14. Romain Grosjean 19
15. Nico Hülkenberg 16
16. Charles Pic 15
17. Esteban Gutierrez 12
18. Sergio Perez 10
19. Valtteri Bottas 5
20. Pastor Maldonado 2
21. Giedo Van Der Garde 1
22. Max Chilton 0

Season averages:
1. Sebastian Vettel 7,90
2. Kimi Räikkönen 7,52
3. Fernando Alonso 7,46
4. Paul di Resta 7,30
5. Lewis Hamilton 7,14
6. Nico Rosberg 7,05
7. Adrian Sutil 6,91
8. Mark Webber 6,57
9. Felipe Massa 6,51
10. Jules Bianchi 6,26
11. Jenson Button 6,21
12. Jean-Eric Vergne 6,13
13. Daniel Ricciardo 6,01
14. Nico Hülkenberg 5,91
15. Charles Pic 5,83
16. Romain Grosjean 5,39
17. Valtteri Bottas 5,30
18. Sergio Perez 5,29
19. Max Chilton 4,42
20. Pastor Maldonado 4,35
21. Giedo Van Der Garde 4,31
22. Esteban Gutierrez 4,00

Teams' championship:
1. Mercedes 39
2. Ferrari 34
3. Force India 34
4. Red Bull 32
5. Lotus 30
6. Toro Rosso 17
7. Marussia 10
8. McLaren 6
9. Sauber 4
10. Caterham 2
11. Williams 0

Points of the drivers combined:
1. Red Bull 158
2. Ferrari 148
3. Mercedes 122
4. Lotus 95
5. Force India 92
6. Toro Rosso 67
7. McLaren 45
8. Marussia 33
9. Sauber 28
10. Caterham 16
11. Williams 7

Teams' season averages:
1. Force India 6,90
2. Mercedes 6,89
3. Lotus 6,68
4. Red Bull 6,62
5. Ferrari 6,61
6. Toro Rosso 5,97
7. Marussia 5,41
8. Sauber 4,52
9. Caterham 4,36
10. McLaren 4,31
11. Williams 3,48