Unusual F1 Stats

ranig · Post by **ranig** » 03 Dec 2013, 16:22

Wow, this seems like a lot of them! Thanks a lot for this list ^^ But I wonder, are you sure all these are in-race disqualifications ?

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 03 Dec 2013, 16:46

11th place finishes in the 2010s
2010
Jaime Alguersuari (5)
Sébastien Buemi (2)
Vitaly Petrov (2)
Pedro de la Rosa (2)
Michael Schumacher (2)
Robert Kubica (1)
Adrian Sutil (1)
Felipe Massa (1)
Vitantonio Liuzzi (1)
Kamui Kobayashi (1)
Nick Heidfeld (1)

2011
Adrian Sutil (4)
Sergio Pérez (3)
Jaime Alguersuari (2)
Paul di Resta (2)
Vitaly Petrov (2)
Nico Rosberg (2)
Pastor Maldonado (2)
Felipe Massa (1)
Kamui Kobayashi (1)

2012
Sergio Pérez (5)
Mark Webber (2)
Paul di Resta (2)
Nico Rosberg (2)
Michael Schumacher (2)
Jean-Éric Vergne (1)
Sebastian Vettel (1)
Daniel Ricciardo (1)
Kamui Kobayashi (1)
Nico Hülkenberg (1)
Pastor Maldonado (1)
Vitaly Petrov (1)

2013
Sergio Pérez (4)
Pastor Maldonado (4)
Paul di Resta (3)
Esteban Gutiérrez (2)
Nico Hülkenberg (2)
Valtteri Bottas (1)
Kimi Räikkönen (1)
Fernando Alonso (1)
Daniel Ricciardo (1)

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 03 Dec 2013, 20:17

Most podium finishes without a win

1) Heidfeld - 13
2) Johannson - 12
3) Amon - 11
4) Behra - 9
5) Cheever - 9
6) Brundle - 9
7) GROSJEAN - 9

So if the Lotus is at 2012-3 competition levels next year, could we see RoGro break this unenviable record. Worse still, is he fated never to win a Grand Prix? Then again, drivers such as Alesi, Hakkinen, Irvine, Barrichello and Button were all No.1 on this list at some point...

watka · Post by **watka** » 06 Dec 2013, 23:29

I was thinking about Pastor Maldonado the other day and trying to remember whether his Barcelona win was the result that unrejectified him. This naturally led me to wonder what other drivers may have achieved this feat. A Wikipedia search shows me that the following drivers removed their eligibility for a profile on this site was a race victory:

Giuseppe Farina - 1950 British Grand Prix
Juan Manuel Fangio - 1950 Monaco Grand Prix
Giancarlo Baghetti - 1961 French Grand Prix
Ludovico Scarfiotti - 1966 Italian Grand Prix
Peter Gethin - 1971 Italian Grand Prix
Pastor Maldonado - 2012 Spanish Grand Prix

Farina and Fangio both won pre-championship Grands Prix so are not really true to the list. The other 4 have all won only one race. Discounting their wins, Gethin and Maldonado would be rejects; Baghetti and Scarfiotti would not. As such perhaps Gethin should have been included on the "You Lucky Barstewards" award in the Hall of Shame!

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 07 Dec 2013, 00:51

watka wrote:I was thinking about Pastor Maldonado the other day and trying to remember whether his Barcelona win was the result that unrejectified him. This naturally led me to wonder what other drivers may have achieved this feat. A Wikipedia search shows me that the following drivers removed their eligibility for a profile on this site was a race victory:

Giuseppe Farina - 1950 British Grand Prix
Juan Manuel Fangio - 1950 Monaco Grand Prix
Giancarlo Baghetti - 1961 French Grand Prix
Ludovico Scarfiotti - 1966 Italian Grand Prix
Peter Gethin - 1971 Italian Grand Prix
Pastor Maldonado - 2012 Spanish Grand Prix

Farina and Fangio both won pre-championship Grands Prix so are not really true to the list. The other 4 have all won only one race. Discounting their wins, Gethin and Maldonado would be rejects; Baghetti and Scarfiotti would not. As such perhaps Gethin should have been included on the "You Lucky Barstewards" award in the Hall of Shame!

I think Baghetti would qualify for the YLB award as well as most of his career was spent in a works Ferrari when they dominated the 1.5L era in the early 60s. Heck, his only win was on his debut race weekend!

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 07 Dec 2013, 19:05

go_Rubens wrote:I think Baghetti would qualify for the YLB award as well as most of his career was spent in a works Ferrari when they dominated the 1.5L era in the early 60s. Heck, his only win was on his debut race weekend!

His only podium was scored in that race as well.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 12 Dec 2013, 17:57

Assuming no driver changes, 2014 will be the first time F1 goes to Sochi without a driver who's won a race there.
Jules Bianchi has won the qualifying battle with his teammate every year in his career thus far.
Sebastian Vettel has won the last nine races.
Unlike Räikkönen, they do actually have one, but Red Bull have never won their home race.
Max Chilton won as many races with one year at Marussia as Jean Alesi did with four years at Ferrari.
Despite racing for McLaren his entire campaign, John Watson scored no points in 1985.
Pastor Maldonado won the championship in 2010.
Despite racing for the constructors' champion that year and having perfect reliability, John Watson scored no points in 1985.
Despite being an F3000 champion, Björn Wirdheim never scored a point in F1.
Due to lack of funds, HRT did not contest the last three races of 2013.
Marussia and Caterham have impressively scored the exact same number of points in every season since 2010.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 13 Dec 2013, 20:55

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Max Chilton won as many races with one year at Marussia as Jean Alesi did with four years at Ferrari.

when did max Chilton win a race this year as I may have missed that 1?

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 13 Dec 2013, 21:01

WeirdKerr wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Max Chilton won as many races with one year at Marussia as Jean Alesi did with four years at Ferrari.

when did max Chilton win a race this year as I may have missed that 1?

Alesi was with Ferrari for 1991 to 1995. So four years at Ferrari without a win.

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 14 Dec 2013, 01:16

...I wrote the exact same post as WeirdKerr did, pretty much word for word, and then canned it when I realised Jean Alesi won for Ferrari in his fifth year there...

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 15 Dec 2013, 16:23

dinizintheoven wrote:...I wrote the exact same post as WeirdKerr did, pretty much word for word, and then canned it when I realised Jean Alesi won for Ferrari in his fifth year there...

yes I got confused.... last night I was mixing up toto with foreigner lol

Post by **tommykl** » 15 Dec 2013, 17:28

WeirdKerr wrote:last night I was mixing up toto with foreigner lol

That's somewhat understandable. Even though they're far from the same, I'd probably mix them up at one point

OsellaFA1L · Post by **OsellaFA1L** » 24 Dec 2013, 01:28

Only one driver has led a very large laps in his F1 career, but never finished on the podium, scored points or won a fastest lap.

That driver is Bernd Maylander

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 24 Dec 2013, 12:19

See if anyone can figure this one out;

What do Gastón Mazzacane and Teddy Pilette have in common?

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 24 Dec 2013, 12:33

Stramala wrote:See if anyone can figure this one out;

What do Gastón Mazzacane and Teddy Pilette have in common?

They both have exactly one 17th place. But I guess you mean something else.

EDIT: They both scored it at a Belgian Grand Prix, and for both it was their only participation in a Belgian GP.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 04 Jan 2014, 16:24

Vettel hasn't won any races this year.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 04 Jan 2014, 19:52

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Vettel hasn't won any races this year.

And Chilton has exactly the same number of wins.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 04 Jan 2014, 20:02

good_Ralf wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Vettel hasn't won any races this year.

And Chilton has exactly the same number of wins.

Not that impressive when their teams are equal on points.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 04 Jan 2014, 21:48

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Vettel hasn't won any races this year.

And Chilton has exactly the same number of wins.

Not that impressive when their teams are equal on points.

But that means Marussia have improved massively! That's impressive!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 04 Jan 2014, 23:46

Max Chilton has not yet been lapped this season.

Pirelli have yet to suffer a puncture this year (in F1 at least...).

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 05 Jan 2014, 00:56

Okay, I started this year thing, so here's every statistic I can think of so no one can make any more jokes.

Force India have yet to finish a race this season, whilst Lotus have yet to retire.
Ferrari have scored no points.
Caterham hold a joint lead in podiums.
Kevin Magnussen hasn't finished ahead of Jenson Button in a single race.
Caterham are tied with Red Bull on points with two fewer drivers.
Max Chilton still has his perfect finishing rate.
Alonso and Raikkonen are equal on race wins.
Red Bull nor Mercedes have achieved a pole this year.
No Renault-engined car has finished a race.
Daniil Kvyat has failed to finish a single race despite his car never failing.
Jean-Denis Délétraz and Taki Inoue could be set for a return to F1 as teammates.
Despite signing for Ferrari, Kimi Raikkonen has not raced this season.
Max Chilton has equalled Jim Clark on wins with KERS-equipped cars.
Willy Scholl won the Russian Grand Prix in '14.
Despite being the only tyre supplier, Pirelli have somehow failed to win a race this season.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 05 Jan 2014, 01:14

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Max Chilton still has his perfect finishing rate.

Despite not finishing a race in 2014! I tell you, this guy is talent, talent, talent!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 05 Jan 2014, 17:27

And Mark Webber is already complaining a lot less at Porsche than he ever did at Red Bull!!!

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 05 Jan 2014, 17:33

dr-baker wrote:And Mark Webber is already complaining a lot less at Porsche than he ever did at Red Bull!!!

He hasn't screwed any of his starts yet in 2014! (if Porsche are wise, they won't let Webber take the start at Le Mans :lol:

)

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 05 Jan 2014, 17:35

This wrote:
dr-baker wrote:And Mark Webber is already complaining a lot less at Porsche than he ever did at Red Bull!!!

He hasn't screwed any of his starts yet in 2014! (if Porsche are wise, they won't let Webber take the start at Le Mans )

The difference is, in WEC there are no standing starts, so Webber's start weakness wouldn't be a problem there.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 05 Jan 2014, 17:39

pi314159 wrote:
This wrote:
dr-baker wrote:And Mark Webber is already complaining a lot less at Porsche than he ever did at Red Bull!!!

He hasn't screwed any of his starts yet in 2014! (if Porsche are wise, they won't let Webber take the start at Le Mans )

The difference is, in WEC there are no standing starts, so Webber's start weakness wouldn't be a problem there.

Still possible to have a worse start than other people though...

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 05 Jan 2014, 18:18

dr-baker wrote:
pi314159 wrote:
This wrote:He hasn't screwed any of his starts yet in 2014! (if Porsche are wise, they won't let Webber take the start at Le Mans )

The difference is, in WEC there are no standing starts, so Webber's start weakness wouldn't be a problem there.

Still possible to have a worse start than other people though...

Even though Ickx walked that day, his car still won the race. Bad starts don't entirely mean much unless it's in any shorter race like a GP.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 07 Jan 2014, 09:50

This wrote:
dr-baker wrote:And Mark Webber is already complaining a lot less at Porsche than he ever did at Red Bull!!!

He hasn't screwed any of his starts yet in 2014! (if Porsche are wise, they won't let Webber take the start at Le Mans )

He's scored the same number of poles, points and wins than Vettel. The guy has seriously upped his game this year!

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 07 Jan 2014, 21:01

Actual Stat Time!

Since their inception, Force India have always had a German driver in one of their cars. Following on from that, Force India have entered one German driver into every Grand Prix they have ever contested.

Carry on as you were.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 08 Jan 2014, 00:04

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Actual Stat Time!

Since their inception, Force India have always had a German driver in one of their cars. Following on from that, Force India have entered one German driver into every Grand Prix they have ever contested.

Carry on as you were.

A tradtion proudly started by Spyker! (they even entered 2 Germans in the German GP)

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 08 Jan 2014, 10:31

takagi_for_the_win wrote:
Since their inception, Force India have always had a German driver in one of their cars. Following on from that, Force India have entered one German driver into every Grand Prix they have ever contested.

This wrote:A tradtion proudly started by Spyker! (they even entered 2 Germans in the German GP)

http://vimeo.com/10752016

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 10 Jan 2014, 18:58

Last driver to win a Formula One World Championship, by car number:

1: Sebastian Vettel, 2013
2: Alain Prost, 1993
3: Michael Schumacher, 2000
5: Sebastian Vettel, 2010
6: Kimi Räikkönen, 2007
8: Mika Häkkinen, 1998
11: Jody Scheckter, 1979
12: Ayrton Senna, 1988
22: Jenson Button, 2009
27: Ayrton Senna, 1990

Most winning numbers:

No. 1 (12 titles: 1986, 1991, 1995, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2011, 2012, 2013)
No. 5 (9 titles: titles: 1974, 1978, 1981, 1983, 1992, 1994, 1996, 2005, 2010)
No. 11 (3 titles: 1976, 1977, 1979)
No. 2 (3 titles: 1985, 1989, 1993) [n.b. All won by Alain Prost]
No. 6 (3 titles: 1982, 1987, 2007)
No. 12 (2 titles: 1975, 1988)
No. 8 (2 titles: 1984, 1998)
No. 3 (2 titles: 1997, 2000)
No. 22 (2 titles: 2008, 2009)
No. 27 (2 titles: 1980, 1990)

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 10 Jan 2014, 23:50

Backmarker wrote:No. 2 (3 titles: 1985, 1989, 1993) [n.b. All won by Alain Prost]

Not bad for a number 2 driver!

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 11 Jan 2014, 16:40

Last grand prix win by number:

0: 1994 Japanese Grand Prix (Damon Hill)
- 334 grands prix without winning
1: 2013 Brazilian Grand Prix (Sebastian Vettel)
- 0 grands prix without winning
2: 2012 British Grand Prix (Mark Webber)
- 30 grands prix without winning
3: 2013 Spanish Grand Prix (Fernando Alonso)
- 14 grands prix without winning
4: 2012 United States Grand Prix (Lewis Hamilton)
- 20 grands prix without winning
5: 2012 German Grand Prix (Fernando Alonso)
- 29 grands prix without winning
6: 2010 Hungarian Grand Prix (Mark Webber)
- 65 grands prix without winning
7: 2013 Australian Grand Prix (Kimi Räikkönen)
- 18 grands prix without winning
8: 2012 Chinese Grand Prix (Nico Rosberg)
- 36 grands prix without winning
9: 2013 British Grand Prix (Nico Rosberg)
- 11 grands prix without winning
10: 2013 Hungarian Grand Prix (Lewis Hamilton)
- 9 grands prix without winning
11: 2003 Brazilian Grand Prix (Giancarlo Fisichella)
- 197 grands prix without winning
12: 2006 Hungarian Grand Prix (Jenson Button)
- 134 grands prix without winning
14: 2009 Brazilian Grand Prix (Mark Webber)
- 78 grands prix without winning
15: 2009 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix (Sebastian Vettel)
- 77 grands prix without winning
16: 1982 Italian Grand Prix (René Arnoux)
- 525 grands prix without winning
17: 1999 European Grand Prix (Johnny Herbert)
- 253 grands prix without winning
18: 2012 Spanish Grand Prix (Pastor Maldonado)
- 34 grands prix without winning
19: 1992 Belgian Grand Prix (Michael Schumacher)
- 369 grands prix without winning
20: 1991 Canadian Grand Prix (Nelson Piquet)
- 392 grands prix without winning
21: 1972 Argentine Grand Prix (Jackie Stewart)
- 689 grands prix without winning
22: 2009 Turkish Grand Prix (Jenson Button)
- 87 grands prix without winning
23: 2009 Italian Grand Prix (Rubens Barrichello)
- 81 grands prix without winning
24: 1975 Dutch Grand Prix (James Hunt)
- 640 grands prix without winning
25: 1980 Belgian Grand Prix (Didier Pironi)
- 565 grands prix without winning
26: 1981 Canadian Grand Prix (Jacques Lafitte)
- 541 grands prix without winning
27: 1995 Canadian Grand Prix (Jean Alesi)
- 327 grands prix without winning
28: 1994 German Grand Prix (Gerhard Berger)
- 340 grands prix without winning
30: 1962 French Grand Prix (Dan Gurney)
- 813 grands prix without winning
31: 1972 Austrian Grand Prix (Emerson Fittipaldi)
- 681 grands prix without winning
32: 1972 Belgian Grand Prix (Emerson Fittipaldi)
- 685 grands prix without winning
34: 1956 Argentine Grand Prix (Luigi Musso/Juan Manual Fangio)
- 870 grands prix without winning
36: 1967 Belgian Grand Prix (Dan Gurney)
- 765 grands prix without winning
38: 1954 Spanish Grand Prix (Mike Hawthorn)
- 878 grands prix without winning
44: 1955 Monaco Grand Prix (Maurice Trintignant)
- 876 grands prix without winning
46: 1953 Swiss Grand Prix (Alberto Ascari)
- 888 grands prix without winning
50: 1961 French Grand Prix (Giancarlo Baghetti)
- 821 grands prix without winning
71: 1951 German Grand Prix (Alberto Ascari)
- 906 grands prix without winning
98: 1952 Indianapolis 500 (Troy Ruttman)
- 902 grands prix without winning
99: 1951 Indianapolis 500 (Lee Wallard)
- 910 grands prix without winning
101: 1952 German Grand Prix (Alberto Ascari)
- 898 grands prix without winning

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 12 Jan 2014, 05:21

With those stats, imagine Sutil winning a race with car 99 :lol:

A first in over 900 GP. That wouod be interesting.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 12 Jan 2014, 09:08

go_Rubens wrote:With those stats, imagine Sutil winning a race with car 99

A first in over 900 GP. That wouod be interesting.

There's also a non-zero chance of Pastor Maldonado becoming the first ever driver to win with the number 13, which is currently the lowest number never to win a grand prix.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 15 Jan 2014, 20:06

autosport wrote:In the last decade there have been two races where there have been no cars retiring. The 2011 European Grand Prix and the 2005 Italian Grand Prix.

The all-time record holder for fewest finishers is the 1966 Monaco Grand Prix.
Winner Jackie Stewart was one of only four cars classified - although fourth-placed Bob Bondurant was five laps down.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 15 Jan 2014, 22:15

Jocke1 wrote:
autosport wrote:In the last decade there have been two races where there have been no cars retiring. The 2011 European Grand Prix and the 2005 Italian Grand Prix.

The all-time record holder for fewest finishers is the 1966 Monaco Grand Prix.
Winner Jackie Stewart was one of only four cars classified - although fourth-placed Bob Bondurant was five laps down.

I thought Monaco 1996 held that record, where only 4 cars finished altogether, and only 3 on the lead lap. But I guess it had to happen on the 30th anniversary though :lol:

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 03 Feb 2014, 16:40

2014 is the second year in Formula 1 history when naturally aspirated engines are banned. The other one was 1986

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 04 Feb 2014, 08:34

Backmarker wrote:Last grand prix win by number:

0: 1994 Japanese Grand Prix (Damon Hill)
- 334 grands prix without winning

Not surprising, considering that no one has used that number for the last 333 grands prix. :lol:

You can say similar things for other numbers in the list, but that one struck me!

65 is rather high for #6. And there are a few iconic wins in that list...