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Assuming I'm voting for the Top 3...

ROTY

Dishonourable mention to Alessandro Linari for acting like a jerk for the whole season.
Also to CR for going bust during the season.

3. MRT
Manages to snag Mark Dagnall last season, and what do they do with him? They build the most unreliable car, squandering off many wins, and they manage to piss off Dagnall as a result, which in itself is a bit of a talent. Then they hire Jean-Luc Schiller and Fredo Mestolio for next season... Sounds like a lot of trouble for 2017

2. Dofasco
The fact that my autocorrect spelt out "Do fiasco" is hilarious enough. Not only are they slow, but they managed to get DSQed a few times due to not naming a second driver. Their absentee owners are also worrisome. Thank goodness Alexey Buyvolov managed to get a drive in 2017, and now Dofasco can finally fade away in the history books.

1. Revolution
Not only did they manage to place lower than Dofasco, they also manage to only start in one race. Even their team owner decided to bugger off and race for Kamaha. Overall, this is one season they want to forget in a hurry.
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3rd: Foxdale

The value of Engine Power reared it's ugly head in 2016. Some teams revelled with the new engine formula while others floundered in trying to make the bottom line work. It also became a fixture in seeing who would Survive and Escape Pre-Qualifying throughout the year. The most interesting story coming out of the engines, besides the ROTY, was how the Pure-Hart runners fared. The Mecha team was anchored down by woeful driver choices encapsulated by Jiminez being twelve seconds off the pace in PreQ for Fuji. Débutante team Gauthier were mired in the mayhem that was the Mid-Field the whole year with returning drivers Jesus Plaza and Hansuke Shioya, but if the car held up and they had a little luck they were rewarded in kind with Shioya showing he has promise with a second place in Canada. But the third team, Foxdale, had themselves a shocking 2016. If F2RWRS drivers Nikov Time or Wouter Lamberigts were a race team, they would be Foxdale. Mega quick in Qualifying, with Eight Poles throughout the year, but when the lights went out and away they went Martin McFry and Ben Fleet left their brains at home. Were there attempts to improve their act during the races? Nope, it got even worse with both drivers getting flat out banned after their antics in Argentina. Many dangerous situations where they simply were not looking in the mirrors teamed with the team Un-Willingness to right their wrongs and improve the car left Foxdale as the team you wanted to keep well away from on track.

2nd: Kamaha
Done in point form because there's a lot to go over

-Kamaha's 2015 Engine Supplier Yamaha denied a Engine for 2016
-Kamaha refused a discounted Engine Cost for the Audi Engine, which the F1RWRS Commission offered them
-Kamaha took the Audi Engine anyways
-Drivers with wildy inconsistent pace
-The Italian Grand Prix and CAS case
-The aftermath of Kazama getting banned at Long Beach and the driver changes
-Dragging Revolution into their crisis
-Needing non-rookies to be able to Pre-Qualify
-Reliability
-Somehow winning two races without touching the car all year

1st: BMW

MRT did all that they can to make this year a success. Dagnall and Co were at the helm of one of the best cars in the field and championships were well within their grasp at the start of the year. Except for one thing. The engine. There were at least a dozen races were Mark Dagnall made the world as his oyster, only to look out of his wing mirror to see smoke, flames and hear lack of noise coming out of his BMW powered car. It was enough to tear a potential super-team apart, force Dagnall to go to Jones and potentially another disaster, and leave Pierre Depault no choice but to sign two Pay-Drivers for 2017. When everything ran A-OK in the BMW, they scored 23 out of a possible 50 points for their race finishes, but oh what could have been if the Bavarians knew what they were doing.
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3rd: Rosco Vantini
In 2015, this guy looked like the real deal when Sammy Jones was his teammate, but warning lights came on when his performance dropped like a stone when Rhys Davies joined the team. It got worse in 2016 - in a title winning car, Vantini got less out of it than Fredo Mestolio, whose own poor performance threatened to give Jones a coronary.

2nd: Kamaha
See RRR's bullet point list. End of story.

1st: BMW
Again, pretty much what RRR said - at the end of 2015, MRT were the team to beat by far. In 2016, they were still massively quick but the engine cost them so many points it's cost them 2 whole years already.

Honourable mentions to Foxdale, Dofasco, and Revolution.
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1 - Kamaha
2 - MRT
3 - Foxdale

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3. Revolution - They were nowhere near what their name suggests.
2. Kamaha - Utter rejectfulness you'd never find anywhere else.
1. Foxdale - 6 points, 4 scored in the final rounds thanks to bringing the family back as replacements. Their main drivers were stupid quite frankly, and the car sucked in race trim in most cases.
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3. Rosco Vantini
Vantini went from one of the top young talents to a waste of space literally overnight last season, and that crap form continued through to 2016. Davies managed to haul the Jones to the points 14 times out of 14 finishes, and yet Vantini could only get there with severe attrition. Dreadful.

2. Kamaha
They were all over the shop all season, and between a shite car, lack of funds and no driver management whatsoever, it really was a season to forget.

1. MRT
I could have given it to BMW, but Melrose's lack of driver management regarding his sacking of Lon sealed it for the team as a whole. Plus, they were beaten by Autodynamics. You know, the MRT B-team :P
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3. MRT
A crash down to earth for MRT. Horrible reliability, which in turn messed with Mark Dagnall's head and caused him to make some strange mistakes (Brands Hatch the prime example). Sacked Kay Lon after one race, follwed by the entire team being outscore by Lon at Aeroracing alone for the rest of the year. Replacing the departing Dagnall with Fredo Mestolio doesn't look to be too wise either.

2. Rosco Vantini
Waste of space. Rubbish rubbish rubbish. Not a single redeeming aspect to his half-season. Scoring two points in six races for the champions-elect is nothing short of a disgrace. No-one who gets outscored 26-2 over the space of six races deserves their drive. Essentially cost Jones the constructors title with his complete lack of pace, had he scored even half the points of Davies, Jones would have been out of sight from eventual WCC winners Alitalia. Absolutely deserved to be fired.

1. Revolution
Last in the WCC. They'd have been fighting for 10th in the WCC instead if the team principal bothered to actually run the team, fix the car (which the team had funds to do so) and hire Fakkinen instead of Katayama from the beginning - but instead the team principal has decided to abandon his own outfit and race for Kamaha for the forseeable future. Dofiasco were doomed from the start of the season, but Revo had an escape route to the midfield and completely wasted it.
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With ROTY voting in full swing, I figure I might as well throw in some end-of-season rankings.

DRIVERS
1. Rhys Davies: 9/10
He had the best car across the whole season and made the most of it. A very well-deserved WDC, and the perfect way to cap off his single-seater career.
2. Nathanael Spencer: 8.5/10
The Nathanael Spencer from 2011 is back. Although he suffered the brunt of the bad luck at IBR this season, and had more than a few off days, at the end of the season he was arguably the best driver on the grid. If the 2017 Voeckler is a title contender, I'd be reluctant to bet against him for the title.
3. Douglas Mann: 8.5/10
After 2015, I was prepared to write off Douglas Mann entirely. But a change of scenery to HRT seems to have done him a world of good, as he put in arguably his best season to date. Even when he switched back to the awful Foxdale, he managed a solid 4th place in a race full of attrition. Impressive stuff.
4. Kay Lon: 8/10
This was not Lon's best season by far, even accounting for the fact that this year's Aeroracing was a relative disappointment. A few too many mistakes, but even then, he showed for sure that he is still a top talent.
5. Ron Mignolet: 7.5/10
Mignolet surpassed all expectations in 2016, with an incredible 4 wins. He had a few off-days and wild moments, but has established himself now as a legitimate top-level driver.
6. Nicolas Steele: 7.5/10
Following a very disappointing 2015, Steele bounced back very well this year. Although he was sacked from Aeroracing after 1 race, he regularly put in very impressive performances for Autodynamics.
7. David Neuberg: 7.5/10
Neuberg proved in his outings for MRT last year that he had what it took to compete at the front, but the Kingfisher this year was not quite what he needed to build on those results. Regardless, he put in some very impressive performances at the end of the year, underlining his status as one of the best pay drivers in the business.
8. Philippe Nicolas: 7/10
This year was Nicolas' big chance to show exactly what he could do outside of MRT, and when the car was there for him at the start of the year, he was rather imperious. However, when the Arrowtech tailed off for the second half of the year, so too did Nicolas' performances.
9. Thomas de Bock: 7/10
Why de Bock insists on sticking with Gillet after a year like this is beyond me. Faced with a car with appalling reliability and sub-standard pace, he got more than anyone could've reasonably expected out of it. Maybe it's the livery?
10. Hansuke Shioya: 7/10
Absolutely nothing was expected of Shioya for 2016. About the most we could hope for was that he didn't drag Gauthier's fortunes too far down. So, what does he do? Why, only have only one of the most heroic drives of all time in the Canadian GP to finish 2nd behind Nathanael Spencer. His performances through the rest of the season were not so stellar, but that one race where everything was in place for him may just have granted him a legitimate shot at carving out an F1RWRS career.
11. Barii Mori: 7/10
For someone who was sacked before the season had even started, and spent most of it saddled with rubbish machinery, you can't exactly fault much with Mori's season on the driving side of things. He picked up CR's final point, another one for Kingfisher, and was no slowpoke when he replaced Pippa Mann at Aeroracing.
12. Alexey Buyvolov: 7/10
Given how hopeless his situation was, you have to be impressed with Alexey Buyvolov. Given a rubbish chassis tied to a hand-grenade for an engine, you'd be forgiven for giving up entirely, but Buyvolov dragged the Dofasco on to the grid more times than you'd think possible, especially given his teammates for the year. He was justly rewarded with a drive for Aeroracing for 2017, so we'll see how he fares now he's with a competitive team.
13. Jean-Vincent Albertini: 6.5/10
Albertini was the lesser-rated of the two Autodynamics drivers at the start of the season, and while he couldn't exactly match Steele's regularity in scoring points, he did secure the team's first ever victory with an impressive run at Zandvoort.
14. Tomo Kazama: 6.5/10
The reigning F2RWRS champion was thrown into the deep end this year with one of the most horrendously mismanaged teams on the grid, and although she suffered a few bouts of madness, she did secure Kamaha's second win with a superb drive in Mexico, and showed plenty of speed throughout the year.
15. Danny van Rijkens: 6.5/10
We didn't see much of van Rijkens in the races thanks to the appalling state of the CR team this year, but when he was given a proper chance with Gauthier at the end of the season, he grabbed it with both hands and quickly established himself as a major threat on Saturdays.
16. Ashley Watkinson: 6.5/10
With the general forecast of doom and gloom at Prospec, what Ashley Watkinson managed to do with the team on the rare days when the car was slightly competitive was very impressive. Although reliability scuppered both his starts, he did make progress in both of them, and lifted Prospec off the bottom of the Constructors' standings in the process.
17. Mirko Bosevic: 6/10
Bosevic had the odd decent run for Arrowtech, and 3 podium finishes exceeded expectations, but he fell short of the points in half of his finishes, which is simply not good enough when the team was one of the main protagonists in 2016.
18. Mark Dagnall: 6/10
It's hard to do much to defend your title when your car is a ticking time bomb, but even then Mark Dagnall had a fairly poor season by his standards. He spent most of Monaco stuck behind David Neuberg, the less said about Brands Hatch the better,and towards the end of the season he became a total non-factor.
19. Hagane Shizuka: 6/10
He showed that he still had what it takes to cut it at the front this season, but it's hard to give him a proper evaluation when he stuck himself with pre-qualifying the useless Revolution for most of the year.
20. Frank Zimmer: 6/10
ZIMSANITY reared its head far fewer times than you'd expect - Frank Zimmer was surprisingly adept at keeping out of trouble this year. However, he was well and truly thrashed by Douglas Mann for all the time they were teammates, with the sole bright spot his 2nd place finish at Fuji. Which, ironically enough, caused no end of frustration to his brother John.
21. Daniel Martins: 6/10
Martins did what he could with the car he had - like last season, his performances picked up towards the end of the year, but he wasn't ever going to lift Sunshine's fortunes without a significant shift in the car's development.
22. James Davies: 6/10
Probably not the way he wanted to end his F1RWRS career, with a worse reliability record than Mark Dagnall. At least he finished the season with a race start, though.
23. Pippa Mann: 5.5/10
Although Pippa suffered the worst of Aeroracing's reliability woes, she was well and truly thrashed by Kay Lon this season, before she made the baffling decision to return to Foxdale, where she was promptly embarrassed by her brother. 2nd at Adelaide, and a victory at Monaco were the lone bright spots in a very disappointing season, and there's little wonder now why she was turfed out in favour of Buyvolov.
24. Andrea Battani: 5.5/10
He scored 2 points for Boxtel this year, which was 2 more than they really deserved. Definitely the most competent driver they employed this year, but whether or not that will be enough for him to find a seat for 2017 is another matter.
25. Michael Cameron: 5.5/10
It's hard to get a good read on how Michael Cameron stacks up when the Simpson was only marginally more useful that the Prospec or the Revolution this year, but in his rare race starts he did appear to be a steady hand, if not the quickest. Probably deserves another shot.
26. Jean-Luc Schiller: 5/10
Schiller wowed everyone with a podium for Autodynamics, and when he was picked up by MRT as their long-term replacement for Kay Lon, he quickly delivered with an impressive win in Austria, earning him a contract extension into 2017. Thereafter, however, his performances tailed off significantly.
27. Jesus Plaza: 5/10
Plaza was a lot more consistent than Shioya in terms of pace, but he never managed to put the Gauthier places where it didn't belong.
28. Jari Kekkonen: 4.5/10
Wait, this guy was in F1RWRS? Really? ... okay, if you insist...
29. Martin McFry: 4.5/10
He scored the majority of poles in the Foxdale qualifying special, which is no mean feat given that his teammate was Saturday hero Ben Fleet. That said, his driving on race days was a clear step down from 2015, and did nothing to help his team's woeful position.
30. Fredo Mestolio: 4/10
Despite excellent performances in the American double-header, he wound up costing Jones the WCC along with Vantini. Far from the worst pay driver, but definitely not worthy of a top-tier drive after this season.
31. Aurelien Moll: 4/10
The fact that Gillet actually considered sacking Moll says it all. Of course, they wound up keeping him since otherwise the universe would end, but this was a season to forget for Moll.
32. Brucie Kibbutz: 4/10
He probably should've stuck to IFRC for this year.
33. Nathan Scott: 4/10
He was okay, I guess.
34. Nathan McKane: 4/10
McKane showed plenty of pace this year, but also plenty of mistakes. Following his 2-race ban, he struggled with pre-qualifying for the rest of the year. Disappointing from a man who, going by his F1 record, should be fighting for race wins.
35. Gregor Pascal: 3.5/10
Fairly erratic, but he has some pace, I guess.
36. Martyn Rietacher: 3.5/10
Hard to really judge him given the car he was driving, but he did get Prospec out of pre-qualifying twice. That was more than Vantini and Mestolio could managed combined.
37. Ben Fleet: 3/10
Shown up by McFry in the one department where he was actually worth something, and was just as appalling on race days. I can't see any team besides Foxdale wanting anything to do with him any more.
38. Du Lei: 2.5/10
Let Simpson down most of the time this year. It's probably for the best that she's heading to F1RICS for 2017.
39. Renaldo Jimenez: 1.5/10
Did not want to be in F1RWRS and it showed.
40. Miko Fakkinen: 1.5/10
The super sub du jour, Fakkinen was clearly only given drives because nobody could think of anyone else who actually wanted them.
41. Shinobu Katayama: 1/10
Katayama's fall from grace accelerated through 2016. Expected to boost Revolution's fortunes, she instead finished last of those drivers entered in more than half the season. It's hard to see how she'll ever get back to her glory days of 2013/4.
42. Rosco Vantini: 0/10
Speaking of falls from grace... Vantini looked shocking as soon as Rhys Davies joined Jones, and if anything, the situation got worse in 2016. Couldn't even score in a race with 8 finishers in a car Rhys Davies took to the title. Has there ever been a bigger flash in the pan?
NC. Daniel Melville
The more talented of the Melville twins, Daniel didn't set the world on fire in his 3 appearances, but he wasn't terribly incompetent. Probably needs more time in junior categories though.
NC. Daniel Melrose
Why was he allowed to drive a car this year, again?
NC. Dave Anderson
Wasn't as terrible as his F2RWRS results might've suggested.
NC. Dave Simpson
*Shrugs*
NC. Daniel Moreno
Why?
NC. Marko Jantscher
I don't imagine he'll be accepting any calls from Kamaha any time soon...
NC. Calvin Brooks
Well, he helped Dofasco out of pre-qualfying twice, I guess that's something...
NC. Hiroto Tojo
Was an anchor tied around Buyvolov. Then he quit... okay, then...
NC. Darren Older Jr
Was slated to DNPQ the last 4 rounds for CR... not exactly sure why.
NC. Wouter Lamberigts
At least he's no slouch on Saturdays...
NC. Benoît Voeckler
Amazingly, was not the slowest driver in his one official F1RWRS session

TEAMS
1. Autodynamics: 8/10
Autodynamics take the top spot by default as every other team haemorrhaged results like they were going out of style in one way or another. They picked up solid points, and even managed a 1-2, far in excess of what anyone could've reasonably predicted.
2. Altialia: 7.5/10
IBR finally got around to delivering results this year, and how. 5 wins, and stealing the WCC off of arch-rivals Jones at the last second was a great season. It could've been greater, but for their inconsistency and unreliability.
3. Jones: 7.5/10
I would've given Jones a 9 if they'd a solid 2nd driver bringing in a steady stream of points like Nicolas Steele. Vantini and Mestolio let them down massively - hopefully, Diego Alvarez Torrente can make the most of the opportunities they squandered.
4. Kingfisher: 7/10
Considering their package, Kingfisher really shouldn't be this high, their car left much to be desired. However, whenever they were in contention for a result, especially at the end of the year, they capitalised on it - even almost winning the Japanese GP.
5. Aeroracing: 6.5/10
The 2016 Aeroracing looked like an early favourite to take at least 1 title, especially with a proven world champion in Pippa Mann. However, reliability proved to be their Achilles' heel, but more than that, they were highly inconsistent, and their drivers - especially Pippa Mann - did not have the best seasons.
6. Arrowtech: 6.5/10
After the first 5 or 6 races, Arrowtech looked like they'd hoodwinked the field and delivered a very quick car. However, following the Canadian GP, the team scored a meagre 12 points and fell well behind Alitalia and Jones. They have work to do if they're going to get back to their early season form.
7. Gauthier: 6.5/10
For a brand-new operation to score a podium in only their 6th appearance is an incredible accomplishment. However, Gauthier failed to be a genuine threat for points at any other point in the season, and reliability was a constant concern. Still, after acquiring CR's chassis, 2017 could be promising for them.
8. Gillet: 5.5/10
Although the Gillet engine was a solid piece of engineering, the chassis was not. Only thanks to the heroics of Thomas de Bock did Gillet scrape anything out of this season, and there appears to be no reason to be hopeful for the immediate future, either.
9. HRT: 5/10
While Douglas Mann put together a very solid season, I can't help but think HRT could have and should have gotten a little bit more out of 2016.
10. Sunshine: 4/10
Sunshine's death spiral continued through 2016, as a particularly unreliable car prevented either driver from getting much out of the season.
11. CR: 3.5/10
Following a pleasantly surprising 2015, CR failed to continue their momentum through this year. A point for Barii Mori at the start of the season was a false dawn, as the team struggled heavily with pre-qualifying throughout the season. The team eventually fell apart entirely after Danny van Rijkens departed for Gauthier.
12. Simpson: 3.5/10
4 starts from the first 6 races gave cause for hope at Simpson, but throughout the year, Du Lei's performance let the team down more often than not. The team really can't afford another false dawn like this...
13. Boxtel: 3/10
Went from solid midfielders to also-rans. The mid-season upgrades didn't help at all, either, forcing the team to go into crisis mode just to survive.
14. Mecha: 3/10
Had a good mid-season stretch where they qualified for several races, but their new chassis is going to make it difficult for them to build much on this. They need a better pay driver than Jimenez, as well.
15. Dofasco: 3/10
Given pre-season expectations, not only finishing a race, but finishing 9th at Mexico was an impressive feat. That said, their choice of 2nd driver for every other race left much to be desired from the fans, and the Commission, as the team was eventually thrown out for showing up without a 2nd car one too many times.
16. Prospec: 3/10
Well, they passed pre-qualifying 3 times, 3 more than anyone predicted, and even qualified twice. Watkinson got more out of the car than anyone could've ever hoped for, and the team's budget doesn't look as terrible as those of it's immediate rivals, but it's still a long road for Prospec to get back to their glory days.
17. Foxdale: 2.5/10
They were as unreliable as 2013 with the pace on Saturdays only. Simply abysmal.
18. Revolution: 2/10
Looked promising at the end of 2015, and then sat around and did piss all all year. Even Dofasco and Prospec, teams which had absolutely no reason to be hopeful for 2016, achieved more.
19. Kamaha: 1.5/10
Mismanagement on par with that of Andrea Moda utterly ruined what could've been Kamaha's greatest ever season - even despite everything that went wrong, they won twice.
20. MRT: 1/10
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ROTY

3rd - Kamahahaha

Not much that I can add to what has already been mentioned earlier, if it hadn't been for a upturn in form late in the season they would've been ROTY.

2nd - MRT

Again, not much that hasn't been mentioned in regards to their dismal performance this season.

1st - Prospec

The fall from grace continues for this once unstoppable team, with a pathetic 19th place in the constructors championship behind such esteemed names as Mecha and Dofasco. At least they managed to qualify a few times.
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Voting for the Reject of the Year will close once proceedings for FRENCH start up in the next two weeks or so. Once the final tally is done and the credits for ROTY have been awarded, the final accounting numbers for the off season will be released.
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3rd - Dofasco
2nd - MRT
1st - Prospec

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Reject of the Year Voting Results:
First place votes are worth 3 Votes, Second place 2, Third place 1.

1st: Kamaha - 17 (2 First, 5 Second, 1 Third) - 200 Credits
2nd: MRT - 16 (2 First, 4 Second, 2 Third) - 100 Credits
3rd: Revolution - 7 (2 First, 1 Third) - 50 Credits
=4th: Prospec, BMW - 6 (2 First each)
6th: Foxdale - 5 (1 First, 2 Third, given tie breaker for more first place votes)
7th: Rosco Vantini - 5 (1 Second, 3 Third)
8th: Dofasco - 3 (1 Second, 1 Third)
9th: Hagane Shizuka - 1 (1 Third)

With that in mind, the Accounting for the 2016 post-season is complete and can be released. Each team that is continuing into 2017 will have two accounting numbers, the amount of credits After the Credit Cap, and After Engine and Tire contracts are paid for. With the 30% decrease in Engine contract costs, certain engine contracts now have a half credit value in them, in which the half credit has been rounded down. The teams are sorted based on their WCC Positions in 2016. These values will be updated depending on if Aerond sees an error in the values on the spreadsheet.

Post Season Credit Numbers:

Team Name: Credits Post Cap -> Credits Post Contracts

Voeckler: 1000 -> 570
Jones: 1000 -> 575
Aeroracing: 1000 -> 515
Arrowtech: 1000 -> 610
Autodynamics: 1000 -> 610
MRT: 1000 -> 523
Kamaha: 994 -> 512
Gillet: 668 -> 331
Holden: 665 -> 390
Kingfisher +1: 739 -> 289
Gauthier: 903 -> 628
Sunshine: 583 -> 266
Foxdale: 775 -> 455
Boxtel: 503 -> 53
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I would like to be removed from the F1RWRS waiting list, thank you.
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Dark77 wrote:I would like to be removed from the F1RWRS waiting list, thank you.


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Kamaha: 994 -> 512

Does that include the whole 9 credits I got for the CR merger? :P
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Can I clarify that the 200cr I get for signing F2RWRS champion Torrente should bring my total to 775?
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AndreaModa wrote:Can I clarify that the 200cr I get for signing F2RWRS champion Torrente should bring my total to 775?


And theeere goes the championship. Roll on 2018. :lol:
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AndreaModa wrote:Can I clarify that the 200cr I get for signing F2RWRS champion Torrente should bring my total to 775?


You get the 200 Credits from signing DA Torrente AFTER the Open Market closes.
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AndreaModa wrote:Can I clarify that the 200cr I get for signing F2RWRS champion Torrente should bring my total to 775?


You get the 200 Credits from signing DA Torrente AFTER the Open Market closes.


I'm assuming the "open market" (this isn't referred to in the rules anywhere as far as I can see) is when buying and selling each others chassis takes place? In other words, I could theoretically sell my chassis during this open market period to someone else and then once the open market has closed, collect those credits, the credits from Torrente and my existing total, and then build myself a chassis?
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AndreaModa wrote:I'm assuming the "open market" (this isn't referred to in the rules anywhere as far as I can see) is when buying and selling each others chassis takes place? In other words, I could theoretically sell my chassis during this open market period to someone else and then once the open market has closed, collect those credits, the credits from Torrente and my existing total, and then build myself a chassis?


Indeed you could if the rules are being laid out generously. If they're not, you'd need to sit out on the first weekend of the season for your plan to work.
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No because surely there is a period between the open market ending, and the season proper starting in Adelaide when testing takes place and upgrades can be bought. This is my question. There is nothing in the rules that says I have to purchase a chassis in the open market period, in fact no-where does it say that a chassis must be bought in that period prior to the season beginning, only that a chassis must be bought in order to compete and thus avoid disqualification.

I was under the impression that the open market was purely for the old-fashioned buying and selling of existing chassis in the same vein as it used to be when we picked the chassis from the list made available by Aerond. Now that we have the freedom to build our own depending on our budget, and the flexibility to change it whenever we want during the season, seeing as in the rules it states no-where that I have to build my chassis during this arbitrary open market period, I should be able to build one during the testing period when those extra 200cr are available to me and still line up for the first race in Adelaide.
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AndreaModa wrote:
RealRacingRoots wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:Can I clarify that the 200cr I get for signing F2RWRS champion Torrente should bring my total to 775?


You get the 200 Credits from signing DA Torrente AFTER the Open Market closes.


I'm assuming the "open market" (this isn't referred to in the rules anywhere as far as I can see) is when buying and selling each others chassis takes place? In other words, I could theoretically sell my chassis during this open market period to someone else and then once the open market has closed, collect those credits, the credits from Torrente and my existing total, and then build myself a chassis?


To the best of my knowledge, open market now refers to the engine and tyre markets, so the open market is from the moment the market is made open to when all 20 teams have confirmed that they're either starting a new engine or tyre contract, or continuing with their existing one.
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Wizzie is right; You can sell your chassis at any time. Your 200 cr will be added just before race one (after testing period). If you sell your chassis during "market time" (which indeed only affects tyre and engine contracts, and also marks the start of the period where you can operate with your chassis after the off season), you won't have a chassis to do pre-season testing.
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Aerond wrote:Wizzie is right; You can sell your chassis at any time. Your 200 cr will be added just before race one (after testing period). If you sell your chassis during "market time" (which indeed only affects tyre and engine contracts, and also marks the start of the period where you can operate with your chassis after the off season), you won't have a chassis to do pre-season testing.


I see, thanks for the clarification. So in order to do pre-season testing I need to have a chassis in place by the end of the open market period. This is fine, I'm merely exploring my options at the moment.
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Time to discuss calendar changes; If you have any serious proposals (no Kartodromo Orobico, Biscotti) shout them up

Here's current calendar draft:

1.Adelaide
2.Bathurst
3.Brands Hatch
4.Monza? (pendant testing some Italian tracks)
5.RB Ring
6.Montreal
7.Phoenix (Street course 1991) (alternates yearly with Long Beach)
8.Road America
9.Norisring
10.Zandvoort
11.Spa
12.Monaco
13.Marrakech WTCC
14.Buenos Aires
15.Fuji
16.Macau
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Aerond wrote:Time to discuss calendar changes; If you have any serious proposals (no Kartodromo Orobico, Biscotti) shout them up

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Aerond wrote:Time to discuss calendar changes; If you have any serious proposals (no Kartodromo Orobico, Biscotti) shout them up

Here's current calendar draft:

1.Adelaide
2.Bathurst
3.Brands Hatch
4.Monza? (pendant testing some Italian tracks)
5.RB Ring
6.Montreal
7.Phoenix (Street course 1991) (alternates yearly with Long Beach)
8.Road America
9.Norisring
10.Zandvoort
11.Spa
12.Monaco
13.Marrakech WTCC
14.Buenos Aires
15.Fuji
16.Macau


Swap Fuji and Macau, and Marrakech?? Jerez would be better. Also Imola might be a good track if you're looking for an Italian race
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Having helped Wizzie and Aerond complete the 2016 Accounting, and through it gain some "knowledge" of how this chaos theory works, I feel like having some fun. Here is, from what I know based on IRC consulting, how the 2016-2017 Open Market COULD go down. No guarantees of course. This is being sorted by the age of the Chassis that the team has and how they are sorted on the Engine/Tire/Chassis page on the FormulaRejects Wiki, newest to oldest. I am also implying all current contracts are upheld, unless special circumstances.

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Nurminen Grand Prix Engineering and Energy T.I. Fusion Motorsports
Credits: 1000 Each, new teams for 2017

How doomed is their 2017? Well, considering they have to pay for engines, tires and chassis with just the maximum amount of credits there are a whole lot worse positions to be in. Both teams have two pay drivers in their ranks, so if a chassis they procure has a noticeable fault they are both guaranteed 40 credits per race, and that adds up in a hurry. 2017 will be bleak, unless they go bold with a high-powered engine. But doomed isn't the right word for the new guys.

Sasol Equipe Gauthier
Credits: 903 -> 628

How doomed is their 2017? Their races are doomed, before Race 8 at least. That Pure-Hart engine is a work in progress for any team that takes it on. But with Gauthier having the works deal with Pure-Hart and a handy 2016 chassis built by CR, they will be one of the teams that will get Upgrade 4 for their Engine as soon as they can. Tomo Kazama will be in the same position the Foxdale duo were in for the duration of last year, unless major Downforce upgrades come her way. But when the "relevancy" upgrade comes there way, everything may change in a hurry. They got the most credits after contracts of any of the current teams, which means their car might be one of the hottest commodity for years to come if upgrades do their work before and during the season.

Rothmans Pan Am Aeroracing Engineering
Credits: 1000 -> 515

How doomed is their 2017? If you call being third place in the WCC doomed. Although they have a big issue looming with their Audi engine. 320 Credits just for -2000 Rel is a big ask. But they need it, and they need it now. Otherwise their 2017 is down the drain. Their main rivals will be making huge gains this off season and over the start of the 2017 season, it is up to them if they want to keep chase or not.

Team Mecha Racing
Credits: 523 -> 198

How doomed is their 2017? Equal to or grater than their 2016. The worst of the three Pure-Hart teams has limited options for the off-season with less than 200 credits to play with. Unless they get a miracle chassis deal land their way, or they flunk into a superstar driver, expect a few more Driver's Name to be laughing at their faces for 2017, unless they actually begin to reach the Max HP of the Pure-Hart because they never did in 2016.

Plus One Kingfisher Racing
Credits: 739 -> 289

How doomed is their 2017? If they can't escape Pre-Qualifying, they are doomed. A lack of Downforce in their car hurts them big time as their main rivals in Pre-Q all have equal to or more power than the 750 the Ford Makes. The disadvantage the car has isn't as bad in race trim, but +100 Grip Points per Downforce whole point adds up in a hurry. It will be a struggle if upgrades don't pay off.

Gillet Ecurie Nationale Belge
Credits: 668 -> 331

How doomed is their 2017? Euuoogh god, the Chassis's Reliability. If the car holds up, they might have something. That Gillet engine is a underrated package with upgrades that add up in a hurry. But MY GOD. Eleven Thousand Reliability on the chassis. If they don't get that fixed, their 2017 will be doomed. But if she holds, Tommy De Bock might land on the top spot on the podium.

Mobil Holden Racing Team
Credits: 665 -> 390

How doomed is their 2017? Unless Aerond introduces the Mechanical Approach system, HRT are in big trouble. A lack of engine power is going to hurt them after race 8 especially as the Holden upgrades do very little to close the gap. A big issue for them coincides with the lack of engine power is the lack of Max HP. Mechanical Approach could bump up the power of the Holden by a huge margin, but it will be a unreachable goal with a Max HP (at least to start) of 735 on their chassis. They got work to do in the off-season, or else they will be the big victim in the bar-fight that is the midfield. If Cara doesn't get destroyed by RGR, there is hope. 290 credits for all of their engine upgrades is cheap, and it leaves them room for improvement elsewhere which has to be the way to go.

Dacia F1RWRS Team
Credits: 618 -> 161

How doomed is their 2017? I mean, the only way is up.....Right? A lack of Max HP on the chassis hurt them massively in 2016, which nearly saw the demise of the team. Lamberigts brings optimism and Qualifying prowess the team needs and Dave knows what he's doing, at least most of the time. Getting a total of 625 credits by the end of 2017 is still going to be a huge ask But GOOD NEWS, anything this possible.

Sunshine Daihatsu
Credits: 583 -> 266

How doomed is their 2017? They'll get browbeat in the mid-field, but they could rise to the top. 9000 Reliability on the engine won't be easy to overcome, but there are options for them to improve. 235 credits give them +20 and 30 more Power to RP and QP respectively. There are seldom few better values for engine upgrades outside of Holden but where do they go from there remains to be seen. They will probably be looking at a few retirements at 2017 thinking what could have been if they don't overcome chassis degradation.

Pemberton Prospec Racing
Credits: 603 -> 363

How doomed is their 2017? Cheap contracts give them optimism. It can't get worse than 2016. Crank up that Downforce, get those engine upgrades and Watkinson having the 2016 drive of the year might only be the beginning. 2017 will be the year to define Prospec's future, but only if they can make the most out of their opportunities.

BOC Autodynamics Grand Prix
Credits: 1000 -> 610

How doomed is their 2017? It's not, unless management botches their upgrades. Autodynamics had the breakout 2016. It won't take much to make them a real threat for the WCC. The Gillet Engine has substantial upgrades and they got a lot more credits to work with after they overcome chassis degradation. Can they be a consistent threat remains to be seen.

PDVSA Melrose Racing Team
Credits: 1000 -> 523

How doomed is their 2017? Have you seen their driver lineup? The writing is on the wall for 2017 and 2018. Huge upgrades coming their way in the off season, the other team that is all but guaranteed to get Engine Upgrade 4, and a constant flow of money coming their way via two potent pay drivers. 2017 will be a throw-away year for MRT but consider this your warning about 2018. The MRTWINSLOL train is coming, and it's coming in a hurry. A powerful engine and a chassis that can take it, potentially non-existant Reliability after 2017 for the Chassis and they may be the first team to venture above 10.0 for Downforce. It's now a question about how everyone else responds to the threat.

ArrowTech-Acuri Autosport
Credits: 1000 -> 610

How doomed is their 2017? It's only doomed if Random Number Generation has it's way. Their 900 Credit 2015 Chassis is going away, either to another team or being scrapped for 40% of their value. Either way, expect them to be one of the teams to generate a new chassis for 2017. The end result could be either be a Championship Bid, or a replication of Gillet's 2016.

Voeckler Grand Prix Engineering
Credits: 1000 -> 570

How doomed is their 2017? If they don't win the WDC and WCC, it's a major bust. (that means probably not) There are major upgrades coming their way for 2017 to continue their great form that they ended 2016 with. They are banking on making a enormous points gap in the first 8 races that will be nearly impossible to overcome before other teams begin to get their other major upgrades. Will that be possible, I dunno. GP2 is a fickle mistress and reliability plays no favourites. If they can clear the Gauthier of Tomo Kazama in a hurry, VGPE may be hard to stop.

Foxdale Auto Racing Team
Credits: 775 -> 455

How doomed is their 2017? Very. They got a chassis deal in the works with another team. But what Foxdale doesn't realise is that they will be a victim of massive chassis degradation. It also doesn't help that the one factor in a chassis that doesn't get hit by degradation, Max HP, is lower than their current car. They were lucky they had the Pure-Hart in 2016, but that curse the engine has will destroy them in 2017. They will survive only because the Pure-Hart is cheap, but the writing is on the wall if they go through with this deal.

Boxtel Engineering
Credits: 503 -> 53

How doomed is their 2017? They got Benoit Voeckler driving for them in 2017, those actions will always speak louder than words. They barely scraped by after the 30% decrease in Engine Contract deals. But where do they go from here? There isn't much. Boxtel will be in a holding pattern consisting of sitting in Pre-Q gaining credits hoping their Ford contract doesn't screw them again. Upgrades part way though 2016 didn't work, and they were the only mid-field team that didn't get a huge result at least once. There isn't much they can do to improve the car without fearing going under. They might be one of the big winners if the Mechanical Approach system is used, but that is a big if.

Kamaha Motorsports
Credits: 994 -> 512

How doomed is their 2017? When aren't Kamaha doomed? I mean really. Who could believe their luck at the end of 2016, I couldn't. But a chassis deal with another team could land them a chassis that may be worth a damn. 3000 RGR was what McKane and Kazama had to deal with at times in 2016 in a chassis that Kamaha never touched at all after race 1. Kamaha will show promise early, but when other teams get their upgrades on line the big victim will be Kamaha. At least they will finish two more races....right?

Revolution Engineering
Credits: 738 -> 301

How doomed is their 2017? If they don't get a chassis with some Max HP, they will go bust. The Renault multi-year contract, alongside the Ford, is a huge ask for a team that only made the show once in 2016. Their 2014 Forti will have a Downforce rating of 1.0 if they don't do something about it. But a new chassis might be on the way in a deal which involves a few other teams, although in the deal Revolution is expected to be getting the short end of the stick. It could be enough if Bizzarri and his team mate are up to the task. But they could be the big victim of Pre-Q in 2017.

National Jones Ford Team
Credits: 1000 -> 575

How doomed is their 2017? Completely and utterly doomed. If they keep their current car, a 2013 Minardi, they will be lucky to overcome chassis degradation. And with a engine that isn't the best in Qualifying, it spells big trouble for Dagnall who was never the best in Qualifying and the newest victim of massive RGR in DA Torrente. No matter what happens, even if the second scenario I will go over happens, Jones will be in Pre-Q and will not escape unless there is a miracle. The second scenario involves Foxdale. Yes, Spock dies at the end of Star Trek 2 Wrath of Khan. Foxdale is getting screwed with the chassis deg involved with this deal, and Jones will be leaving their 2017 to lady luck with Chassis Gen RNG. Winners out of the RNG is Aeroracing, Voeckler, MRT, Autodynamics among others. The losers are Foxdale, for getting a chassis that won't qualify which they need, and Jones because they don't realise what they will be getting into with RNG. Doomed.

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RealRacingRoots wrote:Team Mecha Racing
Credits: 523 -> 198

How doomed is their 2017? Equal to or grater than their 2016. The worst of the three Pure-Hart teams has limited options for the off-season with less than 200 credits to play with. Unless they get a miracle chassis deal land their way, or they flunk into a superstar driver, expect a few more Driver's Name to be laughing at their faces for 2017, unless they actually begin to reach the Max HP of the Pure-Hart because they never did in 2016.


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LOL Jones in pre-qualifying - that will be the day! :lol:

I love these far fetched predictions, they're almost always wrong! I mean things would have to get pretty damn bad for that to happen and the fact is I've made a very generous offer for my existing chassis, so whether i sell it to another team or whether i scrap it, i have enough for a decent chassis so I'm not too worried! :)
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AndreaModa wrote:and the fact is I've made a very generous offer for my existing chassis

Yes, I'm sure you have! You'll have pulled off the scam of the century! :P

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Jacques Couteau has advised the F1RWRS paddock to expect "absolutely nothing" from the nascent Fusion Motorsports outfit in 2017, but also issued a warning that the team would be fighting at the top in the future.

Although the Fusion team have only received their entry to the field this week, the team have been working on their plan for "months" to ensure competitiveness in the future.

"We've come up with a solution, developed over a number of months, that will ensure that we're competitive and in the hunt for points on a regular basis as close as 2018." said Couteau. "We're focusing most of our efforts on getting everything together for then. As far as 2017 is concerned, we absolutely know that we're going to be nowhere. People would be right to expect absolutely nothing from us."

When asked if the team was likely to make it out of the first hurdle of pre-qualifying, Couteau was quick to dismiss any hope of them doing so.

"No, absolutely not. We know we're going to be very slow indeed; this is intentional. I anticipate a few team owners will be incredibly puzzled by our strategy, and some won't take us seriously. But we also know that by 2018, we'll have the package to fight for points and maybe podiums too.

"We're working on two things this year; one is to ensure we have a very strong package for 2018. Two is to secure a pair of very strong drivers, and any drivers who understand the ethos of our outfit will certainly want to be a part of the team. We are not delusional and we are not stupid, we will be competitive."

Fusion will race with renowned paydrivers Miko Fakkinen and Geoff Donnelly in 2017, subject to the latter obtaining a superlicense. Franc Piscine has also bought himself the reserve drive, with the possible opportunity to deputise for the team if Donnelly cannot get approval to race from the RWRS commission. The identity of their engine is unknown, but the team have suggested that it will be a low-priced option in order to divert funds to chassis development.
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Okay guys, since the live coverages of F1RWRS have gained popularity I feel it would be beneficial to put together a spotters' guide so the members less familiar with the series can get a feel for who's who. It can also act as a gallery piece; a livery Hall of Fame.

Here is the offering I produced last season for F2RWRS, and so with a few tweaks I have a layout ready for use. Turbogirl has made some wonderful templates here which I would like to use in order to make the guide in question.

Since this is will be an ongoing project up until the beginning of the season, I've always started to create and collate the game liveries which I will then create a representation of for the guide. Therefore, it would be appreciated if each team owner could select one of the templates for me to create your car on (preferably each team will select a different template). If I've not had a response in a reasonable amount of time, then it'll be dealer's choice. With regards to the teams for whom I have already done liveries for, an answer relatively soon would be lovely so I can get started nice and early.

If you've not got a livery plan together, take this as your cue to start thinking. I don't expect the season would start for another couple of months, but I'd prefer to create this project bit-by-bit rather than in one or two days before the race.

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5/3 Adelaide
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Final race at Macau?? Hmm.... :)
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With FRENCH done and F1RWRS coming up, I'm gonna have to pester again for liveries or livery plans so I can get them game-ready for Aerond.

For reference, I have the Aeroracing, Fusion, Gauthier, Gillet, MRT and Plus One sorted. If you're making your own, send it. If you want me to sort it, tell me what you need since I'll be getting back on the spotters' guide too.
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Dr-baker, does Martin McFry have any personal sponsors I should put on the car?
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Nuppiz wrote:Dr-baker, does Martin McFry have any personal sponsors I should put on the car?

No.

Ataxia wrote:With FRENCH done and F1RWRS coming up, I'm gonna have to pester again for liveries or livery plans so I can get them game-ready for Aerond.

For reference, I have the Aeroracing, Fusion, Gauthier, Gillet, MRT and Plus One sorted. If you're making your own, send it. If you want me to sort it, tell me what you need since I'll be getting back on the spotters' guide too.

Could I have pretty much the same livery I have been running for the past few years please? Thanks.
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Don't worry about my livery, slap a coat of pink paint for more rejectful looks on.

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Autodynamics will again use a white blue and red BOC livery. Assosciate sponsorship will be be from TNT Express and the Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster
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