Ponderbox

watka · Post by **watka** » 29 Nov 2014, 00:54

Obviously we'd all love to see BUT GRO PER in line on the track.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 29 Nov 2014, 01:52

watka wrote:Obviously we'd all love to see BUT GRO PER in line on the track.

We'll still have GRO PER BOT to look forward to....

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 29 Nov 2014, 17:56

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
watka wrote:Obviously we'd all love to see BUT GRO PER in line on the track.

We'll still have GRO PER BOT to look forward to....

If only Desmond Titterington had a grandson in racing...?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 29 Nov 2014, 18:22

Biscione wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
watka wrote:Obviously we'd all love to see BUT GRO PER in line on the track.

We'll still have GRO PER BOT to look forward to....

If only Desmond Titterington had a grandson in racing...?

Then we could titter at the 3-letter abbreviation!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 01 Dec 2014, 15:25

Why has the most recent Word Association thread been locked after just a few hours and 12 posts with no explanation provided? I don't particularly mind, so long as a reason is given in-thread to explain why that action has been taken

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 01 Dec 2014, 16:08

dr-baker wrote:Why has the most recent Word Association thread been locked after just a few hours and 12 posts with no explanation provided? I don't particularly mind, so long as a reason is given in-thread to explain why that action has been taken

If it has anything to do with me basically highjacking the thread for the first few replies then I'm sorry, it won't happen again. :oops:

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 01 Dec 2014, 16:37

dr-baker wrote:Why has the most recent Word Association thread been locked after just a few hours and 12 posts with no explanation provided? I don't particularly mind, so long as a reason is given in-thread to explain why that action has been taken

The answer you are looking for lies in the past. Look past the surface and deep inside the forum's heart and will succeed in your quest.

Or you can just wait for a mod to answer you...

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 01 Dec 2014, 17:41

Simtek wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Why has the most recent Word Association thread been locked after just a few hours and 12 posts with no explanation provided? I don't particularly mind, so long as a reason is given in-thread to explain why that action has been taken

If it has anything to do with me basically highjacking the thread for the first few replies then I'm sorry, it won't happen again.

I thought it may have been my stuffed aubergine response but at this rate, it may not have been.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 01 Dec 2014, 17:51

DanielPT wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Why has the most recent Word Association thread been locked after just a few hours and 12 posts with no explanation provided? I don't particularly mind, so long as a reason is given in-thread to explain why that action has been taken

The answer you are looking for lies in the past. Look past the surface and deep inside the forum's heart and will succeed in your quest.

Or you can just wait for a mod to answer you...

I thought there may have been something but I did search "Word Association" and "Word Association thread" before opening the thread and got nothing (terms were too common). And without remembering for certain anything that was agreed, I went ahead with the thread. But a reminder would be nice. And an easy-to-find reminder in the "Unofficially Official Rules of Conduct" thread would be appropriate for future reference?

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 01 Dec 2014, 18:21

dr-baker wrote:I thought there may have been something but I did search "Word Association" and "Word Association thread" before opening the thread and got nothing (terms were too common). And without remembering for certain anything that was agreed, I went ahead with the thread. But a reminder would be nice. And an easy-to-find reminder in the "Unofficially Official Rules of Conduct" thread would be appropriate for future reference?

Read these rules from the last time. Also, remember that it is a highly controversial thread that basically originated a lot of heated discussions back in the day.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 01 Dec 2014, 18:31

DanielPT wrote:
dr-baker wrote:I thought there may have been something but I did search "Word Association" and "Word Association thread" before opening the thread and got nothing (terms were too common). And without remembering for certain anything that was agreed, I went ahead with the thread. But a reminder would be nice. And an easy-to-find reminder in the "Unofficially Official Rules of Conduct" thread would be appropriate for future reference?

Read these rules from the last time. Also, remember that it is a highly controversial thread that basically originated a lot of heated discussions back in the day.

Ah yes, of course. For some reason, I looked at the end of that thread yesterday, but not the beginning. Is it possible that those rules could be posted at the start of the new thread, and therefore be allowed to continue?

I remembered there was a bit of controversy, and it wasn't everyone's cuppa tea, but that'll teach me to only look at one end of a thread!

noiceinmydrink · Post by **noiceinmydrink** » 01 Dec 2014, 18:42

I had no idea a word association thread could cause so much controversy.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 01 Dec 2014, 19:31

Will any Formula 1 driver of merit every come directly out of Indycar again?

Out of the last three I can remember [Bourdais, Da Matta, Montoya] only Montoya made a splash. Perhaps Da Matta never got a fair shake at an F1 career because the Toyotas were so terrible, but Bourdais was stomped by his teammate in 2008, and showed virtually no improvement in the following season.

Looking at the Indycar grid from last year and this upcoming season, it reads like a list of F1 washouts and drivers who never made it that far. If it ever happens it could be years before we even see a possibility.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 01 Dec 2014, 19:43

F1000X wrote:Will any Formula 1 driver of merit every come directly out of Indycar again?

Out of the last three I can remember [Bourdais, Da Matta, Montoya] only Montoya made a splash. Perhaps Da Matta never got a fair shake at an F1 career because the Toyotas were so terrible, but Bourdais was stomped by his teammate in 2008, and showed virtually no improvement in the following season.

Looking at the Indycar grid from last year and this upcoming season, it reads like a list of F1 washouts and drivers who never made it that far. If it ever happens it could be years before we even see a possibility.

I think the most likely situation is if there is North American (preferably US) driver who will take the IndyCar title at the very young age.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 01 Dec 2014, 20:01

F1000X wrote:Looking at the Indycar grid from last year and this upcoming season, it reads like a list of F1 washouts and drivers who never made it that far. If it ever happens it could be years before we even see a possibility.

IndyCar: Formula E for chumps.™

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 01 Dec 2014, 20:34

Even since his ChampCar days, I always thought Ryan Hunter-Ray would be a fascinating choice to do the cross-over to F1.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 01 Dec 2014, 20:53

dr-baker wrote:Even since his ChampCar days, I always thought Ryan Hunter-Ray would be a fascinating choice to do the cross-over to F1.

Right after the 2012 season was probably his best and only chance, but he even turned down an offer to drive for Penske and stayed at Andretti Autosport. I don't believe he's ever even driven an F1 car.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 01 Dec 2014, 21:16

F1000X wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Even since his ChampCar days, I always thought Ryan Hunter-Ray would be a fascinating choice to do the cross-over to F1.

Right after the 2012 season was probably his best and only chance, but he even turned down an offer to drive for Penske and stayed at Andretti Autosport. I don't believe he's ever even driven an F1 car.

True, I agree now would probably be too late. But after ChampCar merged with IndyCar, that may have been an interesting time to jump over. Not that it worked for Bourdais mind you...

EDIT: He's less than a year older than Andre Lotterer (Dec 1980 v. Nov 1981 respectively), and Andre did not disgrace himself... But long-term career options in F1 are not great, particularly if you consider the position Jenson is in (born Jan 1980). And even Alonso was born in July 1981...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 02 Dec 2014, 00:08

From now on, it's pretty safe to say Hunter-Reay is 100% focused on IndyCar. He struggled for ages to get in competitive team and actually show how good he was - now that Andretti gave him that chance, and practically the whole team is built around him at this point, I doubt he'd want to give it up for anything less than an equal position if he were to move to another series. Which just isn't going to happen.

Post by **Londoner** » 02 Dec 2014, 16:50

Does anyone know what happened to Gustav Brunner? He spent most of the 1990s designing fantastic cars on a tiny budget for Minardi (although they were always let down by the awful engines Minardi had to suffer with). Toyota poach him during the 2001 season, he designs uninspiring cars on a massive budget, and he seems to have disappeared off the radar entirely by about 2004.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 02 Dec 2014, 18:07

East Londoner wrote:Does anyone know what happened to Gustav Brunner? He spent most of the 1990s designing fantastic cars on a tiny budget for Minardi (although they were always let down by the awful engines Minardi had to suffer with). Toyota poach him during the 2001 season, he designs uninspiring cars on a massive budget, and he seems to have disappeared off the radar entirely by about 2004.

1996 at Minardi? Perhaps he caught Fisichellitis? I don't know about the other mystery in your initial question, though.

Post by **mario** » 02 Dec 2014, 19:56

East Londoner wrote:Does anyone know what happened to Gustav Brunner? He spent most of the 1990s designing fantastic cars on a tiny budget for Minardi (although they were always let down by the awful engines Minardi had to suffer with). Toyota poach him during the 2001 season, he designs uninspiring cars on a massive budget, and he seems to have disappeared off the radar entirely by about 2004.

There seems to have been a good reason why he might have wanted to disappear off the radar around that time, and why Toyota were happy for that to happen.

Firstly, he was in a legal fight with Toyota over his severance package that was messy enough in its own right: however, that was complicated by the fact that he was also drawn into a legal fight between Toyota and Ferrari. You might recall that, a few years ago, Toyota were accused of knowingly using software modelling programs brought to them by two ex-Ferrari employees? Brunner was one of the men against whom a complaint was brought by Ferrari, as he was accused of condoning the use of that software.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 02 Dec 2014, 20:13

mario wrote:
East Londoner wrote:Does anyone know what happened to Gustav Brunner? He spent most of the 1990s designing fantastic cars on a tiny budget for Minardi (although they were always let down by the awful engines Minardi had to suffer with). Toyota poach him during the 2001 season, he designs uninspiring cars on a massive budget, and he seems to have disappeared off the radar entirely by about 2004.

There seems to have been a good reason why he might have wanted to disappear off the radar around that time, and why Toyota were happy for that to happen.

Firstly, he was in a legal fight with Toyota over his severance package that was messy enough in its own right: however, that was complicated by the fact that he was also drawn into a legal fight between Toyota and Ferrari. You might recall that, a few years ago, Toyota were accused of knowingly using software modelling programs brought to them by two ex-Ferrari employees? Brunner was one of the men against whom a complaint was brought by Ferrari, as he was accused of condoning the use of that software.

Spygate: the prequel.....

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 03 Dec 2014, 11:47

I think it'd be nice for someone to start a tribute thread to Enoch on the HWNSNBM. I don't think it would be appropriate for me to do it seeing as I haven't been on this website nearly long enough.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 03 Dec 2014, 15:08

Rob Dylan wrote:I think it'd be nice for someone to start a tribute thread to Enoch on the HWNSNBM. I don't think it would be appropriate for me to do it seeing as I haven't been on this website nearly long enough.

maybe, and i thought about PM-ing him to say thanks for what he's done for the website/forum but he's made it clear that he doesn't want to discuss anything so the best thing would to probably respect that and leave him be.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 03 Dec 2014, 16:58

AdrianSutil wrote:
Rob Dylan wrote:I think it'd be nice for someone to start a tribute thread to Enoch on the HWNSNBM. I don't think it would be appropriate for me to do it seeing as I haven't been on this website nearly long enough.

maybe, and i thought about PM-ing him to say thanks for what he's done for the website/forum but he's made it clear that he doesn't want to discuss anything so the best thing would to probably respect that and leave him be.

I agree that that would explicitly go against the "don't talk about it" request.

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 03 Dec 2014, 20:01

OK that's fair

Aguaman · Post by **Aguaman** » 04 Dec 2014, 12:19

I hate when Pastor is giving more hate than he should. Dude isn't horrible and has won a race and beasted when the car was good.

I was reading the Lotus reviews around the F1 sites and geez Keith, give Pastor Maldonado some respect.

One of half of the grid that has won a race.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 04 Dec 2014, 12:21

Aguaman wrote:I hate when Pastor is giving more hate than he should. Dude isn't horrible and has won a race and beasted when the car was good.

I was reading the Lotus reviews around the F1 sites and geez Keith, give Pastor Maldonado some respect.

One of half of the grid that has won a race.

I like to think of him as having the opposite of Fisichellitis. When the car is on song, so is he, but when the car isn't performing, he's usually dogshite.

Aguaman · Post by **Aguaman** » 04 Dec 2014, 12:27

FullMetalJack wrote:
Aguaman wrote:I hate when Pastor is giving more hate than he should. Dude isn't horrible and has won a race and beasted when the car was good.

I was reading the Lotus reviews around the F1 sites and geez Keith, give Pastor Maldonado some respect.

One of half of the grid that has won a race.

I like to think of him as having the opposite of Fisichellitis. When the car is on song, so is he, but when the car isn't performing, he's usually dogshite.

Most drivers are tbqh. Fisichellitis is a rare condition.

Still I dislike it if any driver is given stick for being 'terrible' regardless. Other sports I don't mind but I see it worse in F1. Or maybe the sites I read are by pretentious guys.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 05 Dec 2014, 08:04

Aguaman wrote:I hate when Pastor is giving more hate than he should. Dude isn't horrible and has won a race and beasted when the car was good.

I was reading the Lotus reviews around the F1 sites and geez Keith, give Pastor Maldonado some respect.

One of half of the grid that has won a race.

Yeah, he won a race two seasons ago. And since then.......what? He's been poor, accident prone and off the pace. He's probably a nice guy but so are most of them.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 05 Dec 2014, 08:57

CoopsII wrote:
Aguaman wrote:I hate when Pastor is giving more hate than he should. Dude isn't horrible and has won a race and beasted when the car was good.

I was reading the Lotus reviews around the F1 sites and geez Keith, give Pastor Maldonado some respect.

One of half of the grid that has won a race.

Yeah, he won a race two seasons ago. And since then.......what? He's been poor, accident prone and off the pace. He's probably a nice guy but so are most of them.

He hasn't crashed since FP2 in Singapore, he beat Vergne to 9th at Austin, and has shown up Grosjean on occasion. Sure, he isn't the best driver, but he's better than most give him credit for.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 05 Dec 2014, 09:27

Salamander wrote:He hasn't crashed since FP2 in Singapore.

"No Crashes For Five Race Weekends!" He should stick that on his overalls.

Sublime_FA11C · Post by **Sublime_FA11C** » 05 Dec 2014, 10:10

Perez and Magnussen could well be "crasher of the year" nominees, but such is Maldonado's reputation for agressive driving and throwing it in the wall that he ends up being the default nominee and others just have to try and fail that little bit harder. He's been pretty calm and humble all year, though he did rack up a tally of driver errors.

At least he gave Gutierrez a memorable moment in F1.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 05 Dec 2014, 12:03

Salamander wrote:
CoopsII wrote:
Aguaman wrote:I hate when Pastor is giving more hate than he should. Dude isn't horrible and has won a race and beasted when the car was good.

I was reading the Lotus reviews around the F1 sites and geez Keith, give Pastor Maldonado some respect.

One of half of the grid that has won a race.

Yeah, he won a race two seasons ago. And since then.......what? He's been poor, accident prone and off the pace. He's probably a nice guy but so are most of them.

He hasn't crashed since FP2 in Singapore, he beat Vergne to 9th at Austin, and has shown up Grosjean on occasion. Sure, he isn't the best driver, but he's better than most give him credit for.

To give him credit too, he didn't spin off under the safety car like Grosjean did.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 05 Dec 2014, 12:36

Don't get me wrong, I blummin love a bit of Pastor, but he is what he is.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 07 Dec 2014, 20:47

Not F1, but... I used to love the A1GP series, and was following news of a resurrection keenly, anticipating that any replacement series would equally win my heart. But now, I could hardly tell you anything about the Formula Acceleration series that is the spiritual successor to the series. I could not tell you how many countries were entered, which drivers were racing, or how many races/rounds there were (although I think that there is no British round?). No, the series that has replaced A1GP in my heart is Formula E, which is a bit surprising as I cannot imagine buying an electric car any time soon.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 07 Dec 2014, 20:50

dr-baker wrote:Not F1, but... I used to love the A1GP series, and was following news of a resurrection keenly, anticipating that any replacement series would equally win my heart. But now, I could hardly tell you anything about the Formula Acceleration series that is the spiritual successor to the series. I could not tell you how many countries were entered, which drivers were racing, or how many races/rounds there were (although I think that there is no British round?). No, the series that has replaced A1GP in my heart is Formula E, which is a bit surprising as I cannot imagine buying an electric car any time soon.

I completely forgot Formula Acceleration 1 even existed.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 07 Dec 2014, 20:59

Simtek wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Not F1, but... I used to love the A1GP series, and was following news of a resurrection keenly, anticipating that any replacement series would equally win my heart. But now, I could hardly tell you anything about the Formula Acceleration series that is the spiritual successor to the series. I could not tell you how many countries were entered, which drivers were racing, or how many races/rounds there were (although I think that there is no British round?). No, the series that has replaced A1GP in my heart is Formula E, which is a bit surprising as I cannot imagine buying an electric car any time soon.

I completely forgot Formula Acceleration 1 even existed.

My point exactly! The rounds seem so few and far between that when Autosport (the print edition) write a couple of hundred words on each round, I have absolutely no recollection on previous round. And does anybody know anything about any of the support series?!

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 07 Dec 2014, 21:26

dr-baker wrote:
Simtek wrote:I completely forgot Formula Acceleration 1 even existed.

My point exactly! The rounds seem so few and far between that when Autosport (the print edition) write a couple of hundred words on each round, I have absolutely no recollection on previous round. And does anybody know anything about any of the support series?!

Like how it's part of the whole Acceleration Festival thing or whatever it's called? It goes to show that just like drivers, series can be anonymous.