Gerudo Dragon wrote:what if F1/GP2/GP3 were made into a multi-class series
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Gerudo Dragon wrote:what if F1/GP2/GP3 were made into a multi-class series
Gerudo Dragon wrote:what if F1/GP2/GP3 were made into a multi-class series
Biscione wrote:Gerudo Dragon wrote:what if F1/GP2/GP3 were made into a multi-class series
Sebastian Vettel wrote:If I was good at losing I wouldn't be in Formula 1
AxelP800 wrote:I'm sure I never asked this here.
What if 2007 European/German GP was red-flagged permanently on that point which was Markus Winkelhock on the lead? What if Winkelhock's gamble on restart works again for 2nd time? What if Winkelhock really won that race?
Felipe Nasr - the least forgettable F1 driver!Murray Walker at the 1997 Austrian Grand Prix wrote:The other [Stewart] driver, who nobody's been paying attention to, because he's disappointing, is Jan Magnussen.
Gerudo Dragon wrote:what if F1/GP2/GP3 were made into a multi-class series
Rob Dylan wrote:AxelP800 wrote:I'm sure I never asked this here.
What if 2007 European/German GP was red-flagged permanently on that point which was Markus Winkelhock on the lead? What if Winkelhock's gamble on restart works again for 2nd time? What if Winkelhock really won that race?
If the race had been permanently red-flagged, the finishing order (of probably the shortest race in F1 history ) would be in this case:
1. Markus Winkelhock
2. Felipe Massa
3. Fernando Alonso
4. Mark Webber
5. David Coulthard
6. Heikki Kovalainen
7. Kimi Raikkonen
8. Alex Wurz
With half-points awarded, it would change the standings to this:
(out of 165 points)
1. Kimi Raikkonen - 111 points
2. Lewis Hamilton - 109 points
3. Fernando Alonso - 102 points
4. Felipe Massa - 90 points
In this championship Alonso never really closes the gap Hamilton creates in the middle of the season, and Lewis has a much more commanding lead than in the reality. At the same time, however, Raikkonen moves into the runner-up spot as early as the Japanese Grand Prix, being that he was the only one of the top four to benefit from this changed result. He would have been far less "under the radar", and it would have been far more focused on Raikkonen against Hamilton rather than the intra-McLaren rivalry.
Winkelhock would move up to 16th in the championship with 5 points, with the only other major changes being Mark Webber losing out and dropping to 13th place, and well, yeah. Under that finish most of the usual suspects are still there or thereabouts. Red Bull would lose a huge chunk of points (going from 10 to 4.5 in the result), whilst Spyker would finish 8th in the championship on 6 points, same as Honda.
I personally don't think a Hamilton-Raikkonen rivalry would have been as interesting as the one we ended up with, but I think everyone would have loved Winkelhock to have won the race. Would have been one of the shock results in Formula 1.
Aguaman wrote:It always bugged me how Lewis got help to get back on track
Felipe Nasr - the least forgettable F1 driver!Murray Walker at the 1997 Austrian Grand Prix wrote:The other [Stewart] driver, who nobody's been paying attention to, because he's disappointing, is Jan Magnussen.
AxelP800 wrote:I'm sure I never asked this here.
What if 2007 European/German GP was red-flagged permanently on that point which was Markus Winkelhock on the lead? What if Winkelhock's gamble on restart works again for 2nd time? What if Winkelhock really won that race?
Rob Dylan wrote:Aguaman wrote:It always bugged me how Lewis got help to get back on track
One rule for some, one for others, I guess. Someone asked a week or so back why people don't like Lewis Hamilton, and I'm remembering the post-race interview of that very race in 2007, where after getting lifted back onto the track for no reason other than being Lewis Hamilton, taking a gamble to go out on different (the wrong) tyres, benefiting from a bunched-up grid after the red flags and safety cars, and still not finishing in the points, he walks up to the ITV press with a massive grin saying how it's a "new experience" that he's not on the podium for once. I couldn't have been the only one in the audience wanting to punch the guy.
Ferrim wrote:AxelP800 wrote:I'm sure I never asked this here.
What if 2007 European/German GP was red-flagged permanently on that point which was Markus Winkelhock on the lead? What if Winkelhock's gamble on restart works again for 2nd time? What if Winkelhock really won that race?
What if the race had never been black-flagged?
After all, people were going off at the first corner because they weren't on the proper (full wet) tyres for the conditions. And he was leading by over half a minute after three laps, which would have only increased a lot more, whether the guys behind stayed on intermediates or had they pitted for wets.
All in all, we would be looking at a lead of at least a minute after five or six laps. He wouldn't have won the race -the Spyker was that bad- but how high could he have finished? Or, would he have dropped out of the race (he retired in real life) from, let's say, a 4th place 15 laps from the end?
CoopsII wrote:Wouldnt it be lovely if just for once someone said "I really want to emulate Boutsen and get a decent, if not spectacular, result with some solid points".
More_Blue_Flags wrote:What if Niki Lauda didn't come out of retirement to join McLaren in 1982, and focused on his aviation interests with no further involvement in motorsport?
FullMetalJack wrote:More_Blue_Flags wrote:What if Niki Lauda didn't come out of retirement to join McLaren in 1982, and focused on his aviation interests with no further involvement in motorsport?
Alain Prost would be a 5-time, 5-time, 5-time, 5-time, 5-time World Champion and he'd still be overlooked when people debate who the all time greatest is. I can't imagine much else changing except other drivers pick up more wins.
MorbidelliObese wrote:FullMetalJack wrote:More_Blue_Flags wrote:What if Niki Lauda didn't come out of retirement to join McLaren in 1982, and focused on his aviation interests with no further involvement in motorsport?
Alain Prost would be a 5-time, 5-time, 5-time, 5-time, 5-time World Champion and he'd still be overlooked when people debate who the all time greatest is. I can't imagine much else changing except other drivers pick up more wins.
Agreed but I wonder who ultimately would have gotten the McLaren drive alongside Watson (I doubt de Cesaris would have been retained either way). Could have disproportionately boosted someone's career over and above Lauda's comeback wins being distributed amongst his rivals. For instance say if Alan Jones had not retired at the end of '81, he probably takes a few more wins from some drivers, but Rosberg in particular may have never gotten his break.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Simtek wrote:This is a pretty huge one, huge enough to possibly write a book about, but what if Enzo Ferrari succumbed to the Spanish Flu in 1918?
tBone wrote:Simtek wrote:This is a pretty huge one, huge enough to possibly write a book about, but what if Enzo Ferrari succumbed to the Spanish Flu in 1918?
Could Ferrari's role (the brand, not the person) be more or less replaced by Alfa Romeo, Maserati or Lancia, perhaps? I think one of those could have grown out to become what Ferrari became.
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
MCard LOLAdinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
dr-baker wrote:tBone wrote:Simtek wrote:This is a pretty huge one, huge enough to possibly write a book about, but what if Enzo Ferrari succumbed to the Spanish Flu in 1918?
Could Ferrari's role (the brand, not the person) be more or less replaced by Alfa Romeo, Maserati or Lancia, perhaps? I think one of those could have grown out to become what Ferrari became.
Given Alfa's role in the early years of F1 (the early 1950s, as if I needed to spell it out!), and how Ferrari initially ran Alfas prior to building his own cars, Alfa Romeo were best placed to take up the legendary role/aura that Ferrari has subsequently obtained and used to its own ends.
tBone wrote:Or, who would have gotten the D50 if it wasn't Ferrari?
dr-baker wrote:tBone wrote:Simtek wrote:This is a pretty huge one, huge enough to possibly write a book about, but what if Enzo Ferrari succumbed to the Spanish Flu in 1918?
Could Ferrari's role (the brand, not the person) be more or less replaced by Alfa Romeo, Maserati or Lancia, perhaps? I think one of those could have grown out to become what Ferrari became.
Given Alfa's role in the early years of F1 (the early 1950s, as if I needed to spell it out!), and how Ferrari initially ran Alfas prior to building his own cars, Alfa Romeo were best placed to take up the legendary role/aura that Ferrari has subsequently obtained and used to its own ends.
Simtek wrote:tBone wrote:Or, who would have gotten the D50 if it wasn't Ferrari?
Split between Ecurie Maghreb and the Irish Racing Association, of course *Slightly inaccurate ASMF reference
To answer the question about Alfa engineers at Ferrari, Scuderia Ferrari was the Alfa Romeo works team when it started out in 1929, so there would have been many employees of Ferrari being employees of Alfa Romeo as well. The partnership was eventually dissolved in 1938. Due to a contractual agreement, Ferrari was unable to restart his team for another four years. Fast forward to the post-war period and Enzo re-established his famous team with some of his former Alfa colleagues. Gioacchino Colombo for example, who designed the Alfa Romeo 158 engine (way back in 1937!), designed some of Ferrari's first engines, before returning to Alfa Romeo in 1950 for their brief but successful two years, and later designed the famous Maserati 250F and the failed Bugatti 251 project.
Aguaman wrote:What if Rosberg won the championship and not Lewis last season? How would Lewis and Nico be looked at it? But just to add that the assumption that Vettel won in 2011-2013 and Webber won in 2010.
FullMetalJack wrote:Aguaman wrote:What if Rosberg won the championship and not Lewis last season? How would Lewis and Nico be looked at it? But just to add that the assumption that Vettel won in 2011-2013 and Webber won in 2010.
I imagine Webber would have been much more competitive in 2011, and at least picked up more wins than the McLaren duo each managed.
From a personal perspective, I would have jumped in the air in celebration.
Felipe Nasr - the least forgettable F1 driver!Murray Walker at the 1997 Austrian Grand Prix wrote:The other [Stewart] driver, who nobody's been paying attention to, because he's disappointing, is Jan Magnussen.
CoopsII wrote:Biscione wrote:To the surprise of no-one, Daniil Kvyat wins ROTR for Sochi, by a record margin that may not be surpassed for some time.
I always knew Marko read this forum.
AustralianStig wrote:After reading Webber's autobiography I personally think even if he'd won 3 titles in a row the team still would have backed Vettel. Dr Marko's influence got so strong that no matter what happened they were always going to prefer Seb.
Of course, you could argue that Marko's influence only grew as a result of Vettel's on-track success.
Felipe Nasr - the least forgettable F1 driver!Murray Walker at the 1997 Austrian Grand Prix wrote:The other [Stewart] driver, who nobody's been paying attention to, because he's disappointing, is Jan Magnussen.
Whiteshore wrote:2. What if the Indianapolis 500 once again was a full race of the World Championship? Would the teams attend it?
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
MCard LOLAdinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
Aguaman wrote:What if Paul Di Resta never went to F1?
Whiteshore wrote:1. What if F1 raced at a full-out oval?
Whiteshore wrote:2. What if the Indianapolis 500 once again was a full race of the World Championship? Would the teams attend it?
Whiteshore wrote:3. What if Ford bought Ferrari in 1968-1969? Would Ferrari use DFV engines?
Whiteshore wrote:4. What if Tyrrell's deal to get Renault Turbos in 1977 didn't fall apart?
Whiteshore wrote:5. What if Tyrrell didn't get Renault turbos in 1985? Do they use Hart or "Motori Moderni" turbo engines or stick with the DFY?
Whiteshore wrote:6. What if Yuji Ide had actual F1 talent and didn't cause said mayhem?