F1 Rejects Track Designing Competition

More_Blue_Flags · Post by **More_Blue_Flags** » 13 Jul 2015, 12:01

Stalingrad Tractor Factory Circuit
In 1956, Volgograd was still Stalingrad and the Volgograd Tractor Plant was still the Dzerzhinsky Tractor Plant - the scene of particularly heavy fighting in the Battle of Stalingrad of 1942-43. http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6659419

The red carpet probably won't be rolled out for the Silver Arrows here...

Post by **Nuppiz** » 13 Jul 2015, 14:05

The Ministry of Transportation of the Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic has just finished its plans on a street circuit in Stalinabad, on the banks of river Varzob: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6659488

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 13 Jul 2015, 14:18

The 19.3 km Grand Prix of Vladivostock!!!

novitopoli · Post by **novitopoli** » 13 Jul 2015, 17:32

A 1950-esque track in Odessa, Ukrainian SSR. 10 kilometres sporting dangerous turns and long straights/parts where cars will have to go full throttle. Only the bravest will bring their car to the finish.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6659694

dio1990 · Post by **dio1990** » 14 Jul 2015, 13:09

Tallinn 1950s http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6660367

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 14 Jul 2015, 17:30

Circuit in Yerevan:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6660596

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 15 Jul 2015, 20:58

A Circuit in Moscow of course going past the Kremlin and Red Square (shame i couldn't go through it) and to make spying easier for the soviets past the KGB headquarters

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6661759

tBone · Post by **tBone** » 20 Jul 2015, 19:48

Since we don't have results yet, I made one anyway: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6665646

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 24 Jul 2015, 18:09

I think we may as well start voting:

1. dr-baker
2. novitopoli

I'm assuming tBone's track is ineligible due to the two-day rule. Otherwise, I would probably vote it number one

novitopoli · Post by **novitopoli** » 24 Jul 2015, 20:29

1 - More_Blue_Flags
2 - AdrianBelmonte

More_Blue_Flags · Post by **More_Blue_Flags** » 25 Jul 2015, 02:07

1. peteroli34
2. novitopoli

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 25 Jul 2015, 21:56

A lot of the entries are good tracks... for modern cars.

1. dr-baker
2. Simtek

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 29 Jul 2015, 22:01

1. dr-baker (12)
2. novitopoli (8)
3. More_Blue_Flags (6)
3. peteroli34 (6)
5. AdrianBelmonte_ (4)
5. Simtek (4)

Interpretation 1: not much in it, but dr-baker wins by sucking the least. Interpretation 2: a landslide with dr-baker getting half of all first votes.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 30 Jul 2015, 19:45

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:1. dr-baker (12)
2. novitopoli (8)
3. More_Blue_Flags (6)
3. peteroli34 (6)
5. AdrianBelmonte_ (4)
5. Simtek (4)

Interpretation 1: not much in it, but dr-baker wins by sucking the least.
Interpretation 2: a landslide with dr-baker getting half of all first votes.

Interpretation 1, definitely! I'll post something in the next 24 hours.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 31 Jul 2015, 19:33

OK, design a track for F1 on the Isle of Man. Can be a street track in one of the large towns (Douglas, Ramsey, Castletown. Maybe not Peel though - VERY narrow streets there). Or use Ronaldsway or Jurby airfields. Or a brand new track in open fields. Just don't demolish any buildings whatsoever. Specify where the pitlane would be. Length - anything from 2 to 4.5 miles. Oh, and keep it vaguely realistic - best to avoid Ballaugh Bridge...

Go!

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 31 Jul 2015, 21:13

And here is the Douglas Street Circuit: http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=448958

The pit lane will be on the Harris Promenade, adjacent to where the green marker is on the map.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 31 Jul 2015, 22:02

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6675209

Track in Castletown Pitlane located on where the track begins

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 01 Aug 2015, 07:48

I didn't technically destroy any buildings, but I did encircle some; I've built the track on a few people's farms, which you can't say is unrealistic on its own.
http://gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6675436
The pit entry is before the chicane, the pits are on the inside of the home straight, and the pit exit rejoins on the straight after turn 1.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 01 Aug 2015, 10:48

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:I didn't technically destroy any buildings, but I did encircle some; I've built the track on a few people's farms, which you can't say is unrealistic on its own.
http://gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6675436
The pit entry is before the chicane, the pits are on the inside of the home straight, and the pit exit rejoins on the straight after turn 1.

It's a good choice of location (as are the others). I did say open fields were allowed, and I intended farms to come under that definition. And buildings on the infield are also fine. So no problems!

novitopoli · Post by **novitopoli** » 01 Aug 2015, 13:34

I managed to figure something out:
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6675620

tBone · Post by **tBone** » 02 Aug 2015, 17:39

I've given it a try again, and now in time as well! http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6676713

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 02 Aug 2015, 20:23

tBone, novitopoli: you just need to specify where your pit lanes would be. Please? Thank you!

tBone · Post by **tBone** » 02 Aug 2015, 21:51

dr-baker wrote:tBone, novitopoli: you just need to specify where your pit lanes would be. Please? Thank you!

Right, I knew I forgot something! It's at Claughbane Walk after we chopped some trees down. Trees aren't buildings, are they?

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 02 Aug 2015, 21:56

tBone wrote:
dr-baker wrote:tBone, novitopoli: you just need to specify where your pit lanes would be. Please? Thank you!

Right, I knew I forgot something! It's at Claughbane Walk after we chopped some trees down. Trees aren't buildings, are they?

They do have feelings, which makes it worse than demolishing a building

But then I'm no biologist...

tBone · Post by **tBone** » 02 Aug 2015, 22:14

Simtek wrote:
tBone wrote:
dr-baker wrote:tBone, novitopoli: you just need to specify where your pit lanes would be. Please? Thank you!

Right, I knew I forgot something! It's at Claughbane Walk after we chopped some trees down. Trees aren't buildings, are they?

They do have feelings, which makes it worse than demolishing a building

But then I'm no biologist...

Would they feel better if we recycle them into some nice grandstands?

Everything for a happy planet with happy little trees! Where's the Bob Ross smilie when you need it?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 02 Aug 2015, 22:43

Claughbane Walk? Really? Realistic? I thought you were going to say Waterloo Road or Brookfield Avenue!

As for the trees, they certainly don't have a central nervous system (a vegan told me that that was the reason that she could eat plants but not animals). But this discussion does remind me of Roald Dahl's short story, "The Sound Machine"...

novitopoli · Post by **novitopoli** » 02 Aug 2015, 23:29

The pit lane is right at the start-finish line. Guess there's more than enough room for it there...

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 02 Aug 2015, 23:54

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6676991

The pitlane is the extra line parting away from the straight. And yes its Foxdale

More_Blue_Flags · Post by **More_Blue_Flags** » 03 Aug 2015, 09:49

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6677231

Pitlane is inside the start/finish straight, entry at just after the 3.2 km / 2 mile point and exit into the sweeping right-hander at the end of the straight.

tBone · Post by **tBone** » 03 Aug 2015, 16:53

dr-baker wrote:Claughbane Walk? Really? Realistic? I thought you were going to say Waterloo Road or Brookfield Avenue!

Well, there's room enough there to widen the track and lay a pit lane parallel to it, I guess.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 03 Aug 2015, 19:36

tBone wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Claughbane Walk? Really? Realistic? I thought you were going to say Waterloo Road or Brookfield Avenue!

Well, there's room enough there to widen the track and lay a pit lane parallel to it, I guess.

Guess so. OK then...

Benetton · Post by **Benetton** » 04 Aug 2015, 17:55

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6678590

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 04 Aug 2015, 21:00

Benetton wrote:http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6678590

Where would you have your pitlane?

Benetton · Post by **Benetton** » 05 Aug 2015, 19:23

Inside the start finish straight, which is marked by the START-END point.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 07 Aug 2015, 22:15

It's been three days so:

Simtek: http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=448958
peteroli34: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6675209
UgncreativeUsergname: http://gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6675436
novitopoli: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6675620
tBone: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6676713
Normal32: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6676991
More_Blue_Flags: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6677231
Benetton: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6678590

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 08 Aug 2015, 15:35

Simtek wrote:It's been three days so:

Simtek: http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=448958
peteroli34: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6675209
UgncreativeUsergname: http://gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6675436
novitopoli: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6675620
tBone: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6676713
Normal32: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6676991
More_Blue_Flags: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6677231
Benetton: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6678590

Was just coming to this thread to say that I was going to put some judgments up in the next few hours.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 08 Aug 2015, 21:14

I really don't like providing feedback as I never can tell how people are going to take it. I don't like receiving bad feedback personally, but paranoia creeps in if I don't get any at all. So here are my verdicts below. A few comments as to what I was looking for, plus a bit of explanation as to what I meant as 'realistic' above. PS I am not a treehugger myself, but they can be unsafe near a reacetrack, and some places (or NIMBYs) can be difficult about their removal, so that had to be a consideration, I felt.

8. Benetton

Nice track, one I would like to drive. BUT… The whole area is a wood/tree plantation. The whole area would have to be cleared and dig roots up, etc. Cannot leave many in place (thinking of Jim Clark and Allan Simonsen here). If the track was perfectly replicated in open fields/on farmland, this could have been a podium effort, so a good effort. I just don’t see anybody chopping down hundreds and hundreds of trees though. Sorry.

7. novitopoli

Nice choice of location. Some high speed sections with some twisty bits. Just a bit worried about the amount of run off available at the long right hander near the Jurby Karting (at about the 1 ½ mile point). Could easily end up on another section of track ½ mile earlier? Might just be my perception, but…

6. Normal32

Ah, Foxdale, home of the Foxdale Auto Racing Team (FART)! And I love the A3 – I hit 90 mph legally along that road. And no trees to be demolished to build the track. But some will have to be cleared for run-off (see above). But did you mean to have a hairpin in the middle of a cul-de-sac at the 3.3 (or so) mile point? That would prove more problematic that the A1GP Beijing street race… Otherwise,…

5. More Blue Flags

Lovely track, but you build it THERE and don’t incorporate the Cronk-ny-Mona corner of the TT track?!?!?!?

4. tBone

Love the fact that you DID incorporate the TT track (including my favourite corner – the Ramsey hairpin – very scenic, particularly behind the camera they use for film footage, plus uphill braking) and a promenade section. But part of the reason for asking where the pitlane would go would be to see if there would also be room for the paddock nearby. You’re having to clear space for the pit lane to fit there, so…

3. Peteroli34

Past a quay, and twice past the castle in Castletown, until recently the capital of the Isle. Would look nice on TV.

2. Simtek

Plenty of space for the paddock (has been used as a gathering area for the commencement of the Rally Isle of Man), some good high-speed and tight corners, did not try to use the Manx TT pitlane (really too small for F1, but could viably be rebuilt as in Monaco I suppose). And it would have been difficult to use both Quarterbridge/Bray Hill and the promenade given the distance constraint. BUT I wish you had just slightly extended the track to have run along the picturesque North Quay or South Quay…

1. UgncreativeUsergname

The track I would most love to drive round. Plenty of space for run-off. Plenty of space for paddock and pitlane. Good access along main roads, close to main towns, and close to the airport if teams needed to fly stuff in. Typical GP track length. Cannot find fault at all. Good effort!

So UncreativeUsername (

) gets to select the next challenge.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 09 Aug 2015, 21:02

Waffles of Terror!
At first I thought, hey, why not make some rules that would spur creativity instead of restrict it? Like it's obvious most track designers would put n over here, so say you can't do n, and we'll get something unique!

This turned out to be too hard, so instead I'm doing the opposite. There are two rules:
1. Use only existing roads, except for going through the middle of dual carriageways or roundabouts
2. Make the track inside Argentina, but 65 km or more away from Parque Centenario in Buenos Aires

That's it. Track width, paddock, runoff, it doesn't matter. Only the polygon of your track will be judged. No minimum or maximum length. Sound easy? Well...
Waffles!
Of!
TERROR!!

tBone · Post by **tBone** » 09 Aug 2015, 21:29

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6683069

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 09 Aug 2015, 23:41

You know how they moved the Dakar Rally from Africa to South America? Think of this entry as being that, only with the Targa Florio. Includes beautiful lakes, the snow-capped peaks of the Andes, forests, towns, some very long straights, a couple of fast sweepers, quite a few dangerous hairpins and incorporates the famous Ruta 40. It's the sort of track Fangio and the Gálvez brothers might have raced on in the Turismo Carretera: http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=451574