Arbitrary Alternate World Champions

[Aislabie]

Now most of the threads on this forum have a more calculated approach than this, but I'm just interested in who you would have liked to have seen win the World Championship in various years, and your reasoning. Be as creative or daft as you like.

(PS - I will return to the Stirling Moss Trophy when I'm not browsing on my phone.)

[Bobby Doorknobs]

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2004 in particular.

[Aislabie]

1950 - Luigi Fagioli (1)
1951 - Juan Manuel Fangio
1952 - Alberto Ascari
1953 - Alberto Ascari
1954 - Juan Manuel Fangio
1955 - Juan Manuel Fangio (2)
1956 - Jean Behra (3)
1957 - Juan Manuel Fangio
1958 - Stirling Moss (4)
1959 - Alberto Ascari
1960 - Jack Brabham
1961 - Alberto Ascari
1962 - Graham Hill
1963 - Jim Clark
1964 - Alberto Ascari
1965 - Jim Clark
1966 - John Surtees (5)
1967 - Jim Clark
1968 - Jim Clark (6)
1969 - Jackie Stewart
1970 - Jochen Rindt (7)
1971 - Jackie Stewart
1972 - Jim Clark
1973 - Jackie Stewart
1974 - Emerson Fitipaldi
1975 - Niki Lauda
1976 - Niki Lauda (8)
1977 - Niki Lauda
1978 - Jochen Rindt
1979 - Jody Scheckter
1980 - Alan Jones
1981 - Carlos Reutemann (9)
1982 - Didier Pironi (10)
1983 - Alain Prost (11)
1984 - Alain Prost (12)
1985 - Alain Prost
1986 - Alain Prost
1987 - Nelson Piquet
1988 - Alain Prost (13)
1989 - Alain Prost
1990 - Alain Prost (14)
1991 - Nigel Mansell
1992 - Nigel Mansell
1993 - Alain Prost
1994 - Damon Hill (15)
1995 - Michael Schumacher
1996 - Damon Hill
1997 - Jacques Villeneuve
1998 - Michael Schumacher (16)
1999 - Eddie Irvine (17)
2000 - Michael Schumacher
2001 - Michael Schumacher
2002 - Michael Schumacher
2003 - Michael Schumacher
2004 - Michael Schumacher
2005 - Fernando Alonso
2006 - Fernando Alonso
2007 - Fernando Alonso (18)
2008 - Felipe Massa (19)
2009 - Jenson Button
2010 - Fernando Alonso (20)
2011 - Sebastian Vettel
2012 - Fernando Alonso (21)
2013 - Sebastian Vettel
2014 - Nico Rosberg (22)
2015 - Lewis Hamilton

Most World Titles
8 - Alain Prost
7 - Michael Schumacher
5 - Fernando Alonso, Alberto Ascari, Jim Clark
3 - Niki Lauda, Jackie Stewart

(1) The most consistent driver all season is rewarded with the Championship after Diego Serafini refuses to hand over his Ferrari to Ascari. Oh, and Fagioli gets the fastest lap because maths.

(2) Alberto Ascari is not killed, and continues to compete in F1 until 1964.

(3) A new rule is passed this year which bans shared drives.

(4) The stewards still impose their penalty on Hawthorn, despite Moss's defence of him.

(5) The Repco engine runs like an absolute wet fart, and other drivers pick up the pieces.

(6) Jim Clark drives the BOAC 1000 and never crashes at Hockenheim. He continues F1 racing until 1975.

(7) Jochen Rindt does not crash, and alongside Clark forms one of the all-time great driver pairings. He would ultimately retire in 1982.

(8) The Japanese Grand Prix is cancelled due to torrential rain.

(9) Reutemann bettrr defends his pole at Caesar's Palace, claiming a top-five finish.

(10) The Belgian Grand Prix was cancelled in an unprecidented move, in respect to the late Gilles Villeneuve.

(11) Prost defeated Piquet at Brands Hatch.

(12) The Monaco Grand Prix went to a full race distance.

(13) All races count.

(14) Senna disqualified from the Championship and banned for life after his potentially lethal collision with Alain Prost.

(15) Schumacher stripped of the title after the Villeneuve incident a couple of years later.

(16) It is Hakkinen, not Schumacher, who is punctured by Tuero's debris.

(17) Irvine passes Gene at the Nurburgring; Schumacher hands over second at Suzuka.

(18) Alonso brings his car home at Fuji and scores points.

(19) Massa's engine survives the Hungarian Grand Prix.

(20) Alonso finishes the Belgian Grand Prix in sixth place. No accident.

(21) The Ferrari appeal was successful.

(22) Hamilton, not Rosberg, suffered reliability problems in Abu Dhabi.

[UncreativeUsername37]

1950: Juan Manuel Fangio, because with equal luck he would've beaten Farina.
1968: Jim Clark doesn't die.
1979: Villeneuve doesn't have his failure at Zandvoort, putting him and Scheckter one point apart. The Monza team orders still happen, so they both take three points from each other, leaving the gap the same for the final race, which is a complete anticlimax.
1982: Villeneuve doesn't die.
1984: I have a feeling Prost deserved this, but I can't be bothered to work it all out.
1987: Mansell's luck doesn't suck.
1991: "If we ignore that he should have been in jail it is legit" –Klon
1996: Senna didn't die.
1997: See 1996.
2012: Grosjean doesn't crash into Alonso.

[dr-baker]

Mot of these are drivers that I would like to have seen win, and I have allocated them years in which they entered the most races (as a percentage of the season length), or had their best results, or would have been epic if they had won for that team in that particular year (eg Hunt winning for Hesketh). Or, in the case of 1994, to correct a perceived injustice (or awarding it to the teammate of Senna who would otherwise have possibly won it).


1950 Prince B. Bira
1954 Prince B. Bira
1955 Stirling Moss
1956 Stirling Moss
1957 Tony Brooks
1958 Maria Teresa de Filippis
1959 Tony Brooks
1962 Tony Maggs
1963 Tony Maggs
1965 Richie Ginther
1967 John Love
1974 James Hunt
1975 Lella Lombardi
1976 Masahiro Hasemi
1980 Derek Daly
1981 Gilles Villeneuve
1985 Pierluigi Martini
1986 Johnny Dumfries
1987 Jonathan Palmer
1989 Pierluigi Martini
1992 Giovanna Amati
1993 Luca Badoer
1994 Damon Hill
1995 Luca Badoer
1996 Giovanni Lavaggi
1997 Vincenzo Sosperi
1998 Shinji Nakano
1999 Eddie Irvine
2000 Gaston Mazzacane
2001 David Coulthard
2002 Juan Pablo Montoya
2004 Zsolt 'HWNSNBM' Baumgartner
2006 Takuma Sato
2007 Anthony Davidson
2008 Sebastien Bourdais
2010 Jose Maria Lopez

[Aislabie]

Mot of these are drivers that I would like to have seen win, and I have allocated them years in which they entered the most races (as a percentage of the season length), or had their best results, or would have been epic if they had won for that team in that particular year (eg Hunt winning for Hesketh). Or, in the case of 1994, to correct a perceived injustice (or awarding it to the teammate of Senna who would otherwise have possibly won it).

No space for Claes?!

[Samster]

Going back as far as 1998 when I started watching.

1998 - Michael Schumacher
As said above, Hakkinen suffers the puncture instead of Schumacher allowing the German to secure his first title for Ferrari by finishing 2nd behind Irvine.

1999 - Eddie Irvine
Ferrari don't bathup up Irvine's pitstop in the European GP allowing him to take over the lead once Frentzen, Coulthard and Ralf all drop out of contention and take victory. Luca Badoer doesn't have his gearbox failure and eventually holds on for a point for 6th preventing Hakkinen from scoring. This allows Irvine to easily secure the title in Malaysia with Michael's help with 80 points to Hakkinen's 64 heading into the final race.

2000 - Mika Hakkinen
Hakkinen doesn't have an engine failure at Indy and finishes 2nd then narrowly beats Schumacher in Japan to win, allowing him to still be in contention in Malaysia, 96-94 in Hakkinen's favour. There, Hakkinen doesn't jump the start and he and Coulthard both get ahead of Schumacher at the start which they maintain till the end. Thus Hakkinen gets the title with 106 points to Schumacher's 98.

In 2001 and 2002, Schumacher is too dominant for anyone to reasonably beat him to the title.

2003 - Juan Pablo Montoya
At Indy, Montoya doesn't collide with Barrichello and eventually finishes 3rd behind Schumacher and Raikkonen meaning all three are still in contention in Japan, Schumacher on 92 points to Montoya's 85 and Raikkonen's 83. In Japan, Montoya doesn't suffer his hydraulics failure and dominates the race, this means that Schumacher finishes out of the points and looses the title by a single point.

2004, see 2001/2002.

2005 - Kimi Raikkonen
Raikkonen doesn't suffer mechanical failures at Imola, Nurburging and Hockenheim and therefore wins all three. This gives him 142 points to Alonso's 127 by season's end having secured the title a race early in Japan.

In 2006 asides from the Japan engine failure costing him the win in Japan, it wouldn't have allowed Schumacher to beat Alonso in the end. I'll keep this one with Alonso.

2007 - Lewis Hamilton
Pretty simple, Lewis doesn't screw up in China, wins the race and secures the title in his first season a race early.

2008 - Felipe Massa
Again simple, Glock doesn't fall off the track and finishes ahead of Lewis, allowing Massa to secure the title on countback.

2009 - This will stay with Button as there is not much more Vettel could reasonably have done to catch him.

2010 - Mark Webber
Webber doesn't crash out in Korea and inherits the lead when Vettel drops out. This allows him to be within a point of securing the title by Abu Dhabi with 263 points to Alonso's 239 with Vettel and Hamilton out of contention. This allows Webber to come away with the title despite both him and Alonso running poor strategies.

2011 - Vettel too dominant for anyone else to conceivably beat him. This completes a run of nine different champions in nine seasons.

2012 - Fernando Alonso
Alonso avoids being taken out at the first corner in Japan and goes on to finish 2nd behind Vettel meaning he still has a 22 point lead at that point. This allows him to hold onto the championship with 296 points to Vettel's 281.

2013 - See 2011.

2014 - Nico Rosberg
Lewis suffers the ERS failure instead of Nico, allowing the German to steal the title away.

2015 - This stays with Hamilton

So that's five new champions in the last 17 seasons and 12 overall. Including Villeneuve and Hill this makes it 14 champions in the past two decades.

[tommykl]

I get that you were going for the most different champions you possibly could, otherwise I could argue that Alonso could have won 2007 if he'd just stayed on the road in Fuji.

I'm intrigued about your scenario for 2008 regarding Glock. Surely it's more conceivable for Massa's engine not to fail with a handful of laps left in Hungary, or for that pitstop in Singapore not to go completely awry? Those would both easily give him enough points to pip Hamilton to the title.

[Samster]

I get that you were going for the most different champions you possibly could, otherwise I could argue that Alonso could have won 2007 if he'd just stayed on the road in Fuji.

I'm intrigued about your scenario for 2008 regarding Glock. Surely it's more conceivable for Massa's engine not to fail with a handful of laps left in Hungary, or for that pitstop in Singapore not to go completely awry? Those would both easily give him enough points to pip Hamilton to the title.

Of course but the Glock thing was all it took. I mean who didn't assume that Massa had got the title when he crossed the line?

[dr-baker]

Of course but the Glock thing was all it took. I mean who didn't assume that Massa had got the title when he crossed the line?

It was all so chaotic in those last few laps, I don't think I knew what to think or assume. It was still a 'wow' moment when I realised how that last lap had turned out in reality, mind you.

[Klon]

1991: "If we ignore that he should have been in jail it is legit" –Klon

Is that an actual statement of mine? It sounds like one, but I cannot pinpoint it.

Samster, Vettel could perhaps not done it, but if Barrichello got the 20+ points that his team/car cost him, the '09 champion would be different.

[UncreativeUsername37]

1991: "If we ignore that he should have been in jail it is legit" –Klon

Is that an actual statement of mine? It sounds like one, but I cannot pinpoint it.

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