F1 1984+
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Re: F1 1984+
It could be worse, but I have a bad feeling about this season (this is looking like Arrows '97 already, looking at our combination of a champion, average speed and a fragile chassis) but at least Nannini seems promising based on his quali. Any news on how we upgrade our cars? (methinks our reliability may need to be improved a little)
Also, I am in awe that, in a race where almost everybody broke down, two Alfa powered cars kept going, including the Minardi with DeCrasheris at the wheel! (would be IIDOTR if not for Wilson)
Also, I am in awe that, in a race where almost everybody broke down, two Alfa powered cars kept going, including the Minardi with DeCrasheris at the wheel! (would be IIDOTR if not for Wilson)
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Sigh.
If we didn't got stuck with Pirellis (your rng wasn't very realistic as it didn't account for french chauvinism which was defenitely a thing in that decade but yeah whatever ), we could've at least outperformed ATS. Now that said, repeat my previous statement;
Sigh.
If we didn't got stuck with Pirellis (your rng wasn't very realistic as it didn't account for french chauvinism which was defenitely a thing in that decade but yeah whatever ), we could've at least outperformed ATS. Now that said, repeat my previous statement;
Sigh.
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Re: F1 1984+
Both cars qualify relatively comfortably and one even made it to the finish, things are looking good
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Re: F1 1984+
Oh my goodness - WE FINISHED A RACE!
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Re: F1 1984+
D&T (Development & Test) Opportunities
D&T (Development & Test) opportunities are where you upgrade your current car, design your next car, and perform other miscellaneous tasks.
All teams may perform as many development & testing opportunities as there are weeks between events (a total of forty opportunities; the winter break between seasons having been halved for gameplay balance-reasons). Refer to the calendar at the start of the thread for a listing of where D&T opportunities fall within the season schedule.
All D&T (development & testing) opportunities cost £40,000 each, multiplied by the number of cars in your team. The cost goes up for the next D&T opportunity, each time, by an additional £20,000, multiplied by the number of cars in your team. This is designed to work on a 'paying increasing amounts for smaller and smaller improvements' model. All car improvements are applied to all your cars.
So, a single car team will pay £40k for their first D&T opportunity, £60k for the next one, £80k for the one after that, etc. A two car team will pay £80k for their first D&T opportunity, £120k for the next one, £160k for the one after that, etc.
The more cars you run in your team, the higher the development rewards will be.
The cost of your next D&T opportunity is listed at the start of the thread, under each team's car data. For reference, complete lists of the costs of all forty D&T opportunities for all team sizes are listed below:
One-car team
Two-car team
Three-car team
If there is a need (or sufficient demand) for a D&T opportunity not listed below, let me know, and it can be added at a later date.
To utilise D&T opportunities, simply list what you'd like to do after each race. Here's an example of spending three D&T opportunities:
What D&T opportunities are there?
Design of new car
At any point before the first race of the next season, you may begin developing your new car. Once the first race of the next season begins, this new car becomes your current car, and the cycle repeats. Utilise this D&T opportunity over-and-over to improve the final quality of your new car; the more times you do it, the better you car for next year will be. For next year's car, you need not mention, nor cannot focus on, specific areas - it is a randomised process.
Development of current car
You may choose an area of focus for testing and development of your current car, which will result in an appropriate improvement. Possible directions of current car development:
Development of works and semi-works engine
This opportunity is only available to teams with works or semi-works engine deals. Performing this D&T opportunity will improve your engine in the direction of development specified for the engine; the direction of each engine's development can be found below the calendar at the start of the thread. Works team are free to change the direction of their engine's development any time they like; semi-works teams have no say in the direction of development of their engine.
Driver development
Nominate one of your drivers to undergo an intensive session with a driver trainer, working on their psychology and fitness, with a detailed analysis of their driving technique, style and habits in the cockpit, to look for improvements. The result will be a small, permanent improvement in your driver's performance.
Driver shoot-out
Select up-to six drivers, either from your team or unsigned on the market, and have them complete a test day in your identically-prepared car(s). You will receive the lap time results from the session, to aid comparison of their skills.
Team expansion – from one car to two cars, or from two cars to three cars
Currently, one, two and three-car teams are legal. If you are a one-car team who wish to begin entering two cars per race, or a two-car team who wish to begin entering three cars per race, this D&T opportunity is a prerequisite. The time and cost is used for preparation, and the acquisition of required parts, equipment, logistics, etc. for the additional car. Attempting to enter an additional car into a race without first utilising this D&T opportunity will result in Mr Ecclestone personally standing in front of your car with his arms folded, preventing it from leaving its pit garage.
D&T (Development & Test) opportunities are where you upgrade your current car, design your next car, and perform other miscellaneous tasks.
All teams may perform as many development & testing opportunities as there are weeks between events (a total of forty opportunities; the winter break between seasons having been halved for gameplay balance-reasons). Refer to the calendar at the start of the thread for a listing of where D&T opportunities fall within the season schedule.
All D&T (development & testing) opportunities cost £40,000 each, multiplied by the number of cars in your team. The cost goes up for the next D&T opportunity, each time, by an additional £20,000, multiplied by the number of cars in your team. This is designed to work on a 'paying increasing amounts for smaller and smaller improvements' model. All car improvements are applied to all your cars.
So, a single car team will pay £40k for their first D&T opportunity, £60k for the next one, £80k for the one after that, etc. A two car team will pay £80k for their first D&T opportunity, £120k for the next one, £160k for the one after that, etc.
The more cars you run in your team, the higher the development rewards will be.
The cost of your next D&T opportunity is listed at the start of the thread, under each team's car data. For reference, complete lists of the costs of all forty D&T opportunities for all team sizes are listed below:
One-car team
- £40,000
- £60,000
- £80,000
- £100,000
- £120,000
- £140,000
- £160,000
- £180,000
- £200,000
- £220,000
- £240,000
- £260,000
- £280,000
- £300,000
- £320,000
- £340,000
- £360,000
- £380,000
- £400,000
- £420,000
- £440,000
- £460,000
- £480,000
- £500,000
- £520,000
- £540,000
- £560,000
- £580,000
- £600,000
- £620,000
- £640,000
- £660,000
- £680,000
- £700,000
- £720,000
- £740,000
- £760,000
- £780,000
- £800,000
- £820,000
Two-car team
- £80,000
- £120,000
- £160,000
- £200,000
- £240,000
- £280,000
- £320,000
- £360,000
- £400,000
- £440,000
- £480,000
- £520,000
- £560,000
- £600,000
- £640,000
- £680,000
- £720,000
- £760,000
- £800,000
- £840,000
- £880,000
- £920,000
- £960,000
- £1,000,000
- £1,040,000
- £1,080,000
- £1,120,000
- £1,160,000
- £1,200,000
- £1,240,000
- £1,280,000
- £1,320,000
- £1,360,000
- £1,400,000
- £1,440,000
- £1,480,000
- £1,520,000
- £1,560,000
- £1,600,000
- £1,640,000
Three-car team
- £120,000
- £180,000
- £240,000
- £300,000
- £360,000
- £420,000
- £480,000
- £540,000
- £600,000
- £660,000
- £720,000
- £780,000
- £840,000
- £900,000
- £960,000
- £1,020,000
- £1,080,000
- £1,140,000
- £1,200,000
- £1,260,000
- £1,320,000
- £1,380,000
- £1,440,000
- £1,500,000
- £1,560,000
- £1,620,000
- £1,680,000
- £1,740,000
- £1,800,000
- £1,860,000
- £1,920,000
- £1,980,000
- £2,040,000
- £2,100,000
- £2,160,000
- £2,220,000
- £2,280,000
- £2,340,000
- £2,400,000
- £2,460,000
If there is a need (or sufficient demand) for a D&T opportunity not listed below, let me know, and it can be added at a later date.
To utilise D&T opportunities, simply list what you'd like to do after each race. Here's an example of spending three D&T opportunities:
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MyTeam would like to: develop our engine x2, improve downforce on our current car x1.
What D&T opportunities are there?
Design of new car
At any point before the first race of the next season, you may begin developing your new car. Once the first race of the next season begins, this new car becomes your current car, and the cycle repeats. Utilise this D&T opportunity over-and-over to improve the final quality of your new car; the more times you do it, the better you car for next year will be. For next year's car, you need not mention, nor cannot focus on, specific areas - it is a randomised process.
Development of current car
You may choose an area of focus for testing and development of your current car, which will result in an appropriate improvement. Possible directions of current car development:
- Increase downforce
- Reduce drag
- Increase mechanical grip
- Reduce weight
- Increase reliability
Development of works and semi-works engine
This opportunity is only available to teams with works or semi-works engine deals. Performing this D&T opportunity will improve your engine in the direction of development specified for the engine; the direction of each engine's development can be found below the calendar at the start of the thread. Works team are free to change the direction of their engine's development any time they like; semi-works teams have no say in the direction of development of their engine.
Driver development
Nominate one of your drivers to undergo an intensive session with a driver trainer, working on their psychology and fitness, with a detailed analysis of their driving technique, style and habits in the cockpit, to look for improvements. The result will be a small, permanent improvement in your driver's performance.
Driver shoot-out
Select up-to six drivers, either from your team or unsigned on the market, and have them complete a test day in your identically-prepared car(s). You will receive the lap time results from the session, to aid comparison of their skills.
Team expansion – from one car to two cars, or from two cars to three cars
Currently, one, two and three-car teams are legal. If you are a one-car team who wish to begin entering two cars per race, or a two-car team who wish to begin entering three cars per race, this D&T opportunity is a prerequisite. The time and cost is used for preparation, and the acquisition of required parts, equipment, logistics, etc. for the additional car. Attempting to enter an additional car into a race without first utilising this D&T opportunity will result in Mr Ecclestone personally standing in front of your car with his arms folded, preventing it from leaving its pit garage.
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Re: F1 1984+
There are 2 D&T opportunities before the next race.
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Re: F1 1984+
Saudia Arrows would like to use its first D&T session for reducing drag, and the second for increasing reliability, for both cars (is this OK?)
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Yes, that's absolutely fine.This Could Be You wrote:Saudia Arrows would like to use its first D&T session for reducing drag, and the second for increasing reliability, for both cars (is this OK?)
I've neatened up a paragraph in my post above to clarify, for all, that car improvements apply to all your cars.
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Scuderia Ferrari will improve our car's downforce (x2).
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Renualt First D&T will be improving Relibility and its second will be improving downforce
Re: F1 1984+
Minardi Alfa Romeo wish to begin focussing on next year's car immediately with the aim of becoming a midfield team next season. Though we are aware that this could really hamper us for this season, we are prepared to play the long game with the goal of being a midfield runner next season.
If we still have to specify the two areas of development, then for now I would like to focus both D&T sessions on improving downforce.
If we still have to specify the two areas of development, then for now I would like to focus both D&T sessions on improving downforce.
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Lotus would like to use both upgrades to increase reliability.
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For next year's car, you can't focus on specific areas - it's random. Sorry for the lack of clarity on that; I've edited my post above to make this clear.Aislabie wrote:If we still have to specify the two areas of development, then for now I would like to focus both D&T sessions on improving downforce.
Re: F1 1984+
if there are two D&T chances, Williams will use both to improve Mechanical Grip
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Ligier would like to: improve downforce x1 and reduce drag x1 on the current car.
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Tyrrell will increase downforce and reliability
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McLaren wants to increase reliability first then downforce
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ATS will focus one D&T on reliability and the other on next seasons car
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Brabham would like to put two thingies into the hunt for reliability, please.
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Osella will use one D&T for decreasing drag and the other for increasing reliability.
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Re: F1 1984+
D&T after Round 1
We're not quite ready to move on to South Africa, but I'm going to get some practice doing these upgrades. The Alfa, Toleman, Osella and RAM teams still have time to do some D&T if they want.
I'm keeping track of how many D&Ts have been spent on next year's car by each team - at the start of the thread - so you can keep an eye on how you're progressing compared to other teams. So far, Minardi is leading .
Ferrari
Renault
Brabham
Williams
McLaren
Tyrrell
Lotus
Arrows
Ligier
Spirit
ATS
We're not quite ready to move on to South Africa, but I'm going to get some practice doing these upgrades. The Alfa, Toleman, Osella and RAM teams still have time to do some D&T if they want.
I'm keeping track of how many D&Ts have been spent on next year's car by each team - at the start of the thread - so you can keep an eye on how you're progressing compared to other teams. So far, Minardi is leading .
Ferrari
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Downforce increase of 5% (Downforce = 56% > Downforce = 61%). D&T cost was £80,000.
Downforce increase of 4% (Downforce = 61% > Downforce = 65%). D&T cost was £120,000.
Renault
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Reliability increase of 6% (Reliability = 33% > Reliability = 39%). D&T cost was £80,000.
Downforce increase of 7% (Downforce = 42% > Downforce = 49%). D&T cost was £120,000.
Brabham
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Reliability increase of 6% (Reliability = 47% > Reliability = 53%). D&T cost was £80,000.
Reliability increase of 4% (Reliability = 53% > Reliability = 57%). D&T cost was £120,000.
Williams
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Mechanical grip increase of 9% (Mechanical grip = 27% > Mechanical grip = 36%). D&T cost was £80,000.
Mechanical grip increase of 7% (Mechanical grip = 36% > Mechanical grip = 43%). D&T cost was £120,000.
McLaren
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Reliability increase of 3% (Reliability = 82% > Reliability = 85%). D&T cost was £80,000.
Downforce increase of 1% (Downforce = 92% > Downforce = 93%). D&T cost was £120,000.
Tyrrell
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Downforce increase of 5% (Downforce = 68% > Downforce = 73%). D&T cost was £80,000.
Reliability increase of 5% (Reliability = 67% > Reliability = 72%). D&T cost was £120,000.
Lotus
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Reliability increase of 2% (Reliability = 81% > Reliability = 83%). D&T cost was £80,000.
Reliability increase of 2% (Reliability = 83% > Reliability = 85%). D&T cost was £120,000.
Arrows
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Drag decrease of 9% (Drag = 78% < Drag = 69%). D&T cost was £80,000.
Reliability increase of 6% (Reliability = 37% > Reliability = 43%). D&T cost was £120,000.
Ligier
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Downforce increase of 9% (Downforce = 25% > Downforce = 34%). D&T cost was £80,000.
Drag decrease of 8% (Drag = 86% < Drag = 78%). D&T cost was £120,000.
Spirit
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Downforce increase of 4% (Downforce = 19% > Downforce = 23%). D&T cost was £40,000.
Mechanical grip increase of 3% (Mechanical grip = 34% > Mechanical grip = 37%). D&T cost was £60,000.
ATS
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Reliability increase of 6% (Reliability = 33% > Reliability = 39%). D&T cost was £80,000.
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RAM will focus our opportunities on next years car.
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x2 Downforce.
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Alfa RomeoNormal32 wrote:x2 Downforce.
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Downforce increase of 4% (Downforce = 63% > Downforce = 67%) D&T cost was £80,000.
Downforce increase of 4% (Downforce = 67% > Downforce = 71%) D&T cost was £120,000.
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Round 2 - South African Grand Prix, Kyalami, 7th April 1984
Qualifying Results:
The ultra-fast Kyalami circuit favours those with low drag and lots of power. It was no surprise to see the 700 horsepower Renault-powered Brabhams in the top six. What was surprising, though, was another special performance from Tyrrell, this time with Warwick at the wheel. While Arnoux seemed to fall-apart a little, Piquet kept McLaren and Honda in contention for pole all-session. The Alfas started fourth and fifth; many had assumed Wilson's sixth place on the grid in Brazil had been a lucky fluke, but this appeared not the case, as she out-qualified her younger team-mate. Johansson impressed everyone by out-qualifying the better-funded Arrows cars, all of whom evidenced that the BMW engine was the only one to have in South Africa; even Winkelhock in the lumpy Ligier managed a superb eleventh place on the grid. The Ferrari team knew this wasn't their day and settled in the mid-field, and the Lotus team seemed just as content, despite both their cars scrapping with the Williams'. It was a marked difference out on the track; while Mansell and Brundle seemed to glide around effortlessly - almost as if conserving their cars - Bellof and Senna leapt on-and-off the black lines on the track, struggling to control the ungainly Williams chassis. Being an Alfa Romeo customer paid-off for de Cesaris and the little Minardi team again, easily qualifying for the race. It seemed anyone with a naturally-aspirated engine was at a disadvantage, with three of the four that failed to qualify running Ford engines; only the Toleman team's well-designed car kept them off the back of the grid.
1. Patrick Tambay - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) 01:04.837
2. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) +0.706
3. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) +0.965
4. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +01.449
5. Pierluigi Martini - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +01.503
6. Riccardo Patrese - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) +01.694
7. Stefan Johansson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) +01.765
8. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) +02.193
9. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) +02.687
10. Elio de Angelis - Ferrari (Michelin) +02.781
11. Manfred Winkelhock - Ligier-BMW (Pirelli) +02.899
12. René Arnoux - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) +02.988
13. Niki Lauda - Renault (Michelin) +03.129
14. John Watson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) +03.247
15. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) +03.341
16. Eddie Cheever - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) +03.412
17. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Michelin) +03.463
18. Steffan Bellof - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) +03.558
19. Nigel Mansell - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) +03.590
20. Ayrton Senna - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) +03.769
21. Martin Brundle - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) +04.188
22. Andrea de Cesaris - Minardi-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +04.447
23. Michele Alboreto - Renault (Michelin) +04.494
24. Alan Jones - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) +04.588
25. Chico Serra - Ligier-BMW (Pirelli) +05.157
26. Piercarlo Ghinzani - Osella-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +05.684
DNQ. Mauro Baldi - Osella-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +05.708
DNQ. Philippe Streiff - Spirit-Ford (Pirelli) +06.786
DNQ. Guido Daccò - RAM-Ford (Pirelli) +08.211
DNQ. Roberto Guerrero - RAM-Ford (Pirelli) +09.129
Race Results:
The Brabhams, with their Renault engines, took all before them, save for the Lotus team, who drove hard for a well-earned double-podium finish that put their team second in the constructor's championship. Ghinzani used his V8 Alfa engine to give the Osella team a solitary point, albeit a lap behind Martini in the works car. The only other finishers were the power-deprived but reliable Tolemans, split by Nannini who put in an erratic performance in his BMW-powered Arrows, losing time with a mid-race spin. The German ATS outfit were devastated to see Johansson's engine blow while running sixth. Veteran, Niki Lauda, embarrassed himself by spinning-out on lap thirteen, complaining afterwards that the lag-effect of his turbocharged Renault engine was difficult and unpredictable to handle, and did not behave "like [a] real racing car." The story of the day, though, was that the Brabham team's championship challenge had begun.
1. Patrick Tambay - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) 1hr 50:27.463
2. Nigel Mansell - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) +0:23.211
3. Martin Brundle - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) +0:55.269
4. Riccardo Patrese - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) +01:26.575
5. Pierluigi Martini - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +01:33.259
6. Piercarlo Ghinzani - Osella-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +04:02.500
7. Alan Jones - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) +04:50.820
8. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) +05:29.173
9. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) +06:57.511
Ret. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Michelin) - Puncture
Ret. Stefan Johansson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) - Engine
Ret. John Watson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) - Throttle
Ret. Chico Serra - Ligier-BMW (Pirelli) - Radiator
Ret. Manfred Winkelhock - Ligier-BMW (Pirelli) - Turbo
Ret. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) - Turbo
Ret. Eddie Cheever - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) - Accident
Ret. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) - Wheel
Ret. René Arnoux - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) - Engine
Ret. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) - Turbo
Ret. Steffan Bellof - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) - Engine
Ret. Ayrton Senna - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) - Engine
Ret. Michele Alboreto - Renault (Michelin) - Turbo
Ret. Niki Lauda - Renault (Michelin) - Spun-off
Ret. Elio de Angelis - Ferrari (Michelin) - Turbo
Ret. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) - Steering
Ret. Andrea de Cesaris - Minardi-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) - Engine
Championship Standings:
Driver's Championship
1. René Arnoux (9 points)
2. Patrick Tambay (9 points)
3. Eddie Cheever (6 points)
4. Nigel Mansell (6 points)
5. Michele Alboreto (4 points)
6. Martin Brundle (4 points)
7. Alain Prost (3 points)
8. Ricardo Patrese (3 points)
9. Steffan Bellof (2 points)
10. Pierluigi Martini (2 points)
11. Desiré Wilson (1 point)
12. Piercarlo Ghinzani (1 point)
Constructor's Championship
1. Brabham (12 points)
2. Lotus (10 points)
3. McLaren (9 points)
4. Tyrrell (6 points)
5. Renault (4 points)
6. Ferrari (3 points)
7. Alfa Romeo (3 points)
8. Williams (2 points)
9. Osella (1 point)
There are 3 D&T opportunities before the next race.
Qualifying Results:
The ultra-fast Kyalami circuit favours those with low drag and lots of power. It was no surprise to see the 700 horsepower Renault-powered Brabhams in the top six. What was surprising, though, was another special performance from Tyrrell, this time with Warwick at the wheel. While Arnoux seemed to fall-apart a little, Piquet kept McLaren and Honda in contention for pole all-session. The Alfas started fourth and fifth; many had assumed Wilson's sixth place on the grid in Brazil had been a lucky fluke, but this appeared not the case, as she out-qualified her younger team-mate. Johansson impressed everyone by out-qualifying the better-funded Arrows cars, all of whom evidenced that the BMW engine was the only one to have in South Africa; even Winkelhock in the lumpy Ligier managed a superb eleventh place on the grid. The Ferrari team knew this wasn't their day and settled in the mid-field, and the Lotus team seemed just as content, despite both their cars scrapping with the Williams'. It was a marked difference out on the track; while Mansell and Brundle seemed to glide around effortlessly - almost as if conserving their cars - Bellof and Senna leapt on-and-off the black lines on the track, struggling to control the ungainly Williams chassis. Being an Alfa Romeo customer paid-off for de Cesaris and the little Minardi team again, easily qualifying for the race. It seemed anyone with a naturally-aspirated engine was at a disadvantage, with three of the four that failed to qualify running Ford engines; only the Toleman team's well-designed car kept them off the back of the grid.
1. Patrick Tambay - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) 01:04.837
2. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) +0.706
3. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) +0.965
4. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +01.449
5. Pierluigi Martini - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +01.503
6. Riccardo Patrese - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) +01.694
7. Stefan Johansson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) +01.765
8. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) +02.193
9. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) +02.687
10. Elio de Angelis - Ferrari (Michelin) +02.781
11. Manfred Winkelhock - Ligier-BMW (Pirelli) +02.899
12. René Arnoux - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) +02.988
13. Niki Lauda - Renault (Michelin) +03.129
14. John Watson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) +03.247
15. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) +03.341
16. Eddie Cheever - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) +03.412
17. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Michelin) +03.463
18. Steffan Bellof - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) +03.558
19. Nigel Mansell - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) +03.590
20. Ayrton Senna - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) +03.769
21. Martin Brundle - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) +04.188
22. Andrea de Cesaris - Minardi-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +04.447
23. Michele Alboreto - Renault (Michelin) +04.494
24. Alan Jones - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) +04.588
25. Chico Serra - Ligier-BMW (Pirelli) +05.157
26. Piercarlo Ghinzani - Osella-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +05.684
DNQ. Mauro Baldi - Osella-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +05.708
DNQ. Philippe Streiff - Spirit-Ford (Pirelli) +06.786
DNQ. Guido Daccò - RAM-Ford (Pirelli) +08.211
DNQ. Roberto Guerrero - RAM-Ford (Pirelli) +09.129
Race Results:
The Brabhams, with their Renault engines, took all before them, save for the Lotus team, who drove hard for a well-earned double-podium finish that put their team second in the constructor's championship. Ghinzani used his V8 Alfa engine to give the Osella team a solitary point, albeit a lap behind Martini in the works car. The only other finishers were the power-deprived but reliable Tolemans, split by Nannini who put in an erratic performance in his BMW-powered Arrows, losing time with a mid-race spin. The German ATS outfit were devastated to see Johansson's engine blow while running sixth. Veteran, Niki Lauda, embarrassed himself by spinning-out on lap thirteen, complaining afterwards that the lag-effect of his turbocharged Renault engine was difficult and unpredictable to handle, and did not behave "like [a] real racing car." The story of the day, though, was that the Brabham team's championship challenge had begun.
1. Patrick Tambay - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) 1hr 50:27.463
2. Nigel Mansell - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) +0:23.211
3. Martin Brundle - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) +0:55.269
4. Riccardo Patrese - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) +01:26.575
5. Pierluigi Martini - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +01:33.259
6. Piercarlo Ghinzani - Osella-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +04:02.500
7. Alan Jones - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) +04:50.820
8. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) +05:29.173
9. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) +06:57.511
Ret. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Michelin) - Puncture
Ret. Stefan Johansson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) - Engine
Ret. John Watson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) - Throttle
Ret. Chico Serra - Ligier-BMW (Pirelli) - Radiator
Ret. Manfred Winkelhock - Ligier-BMW (Pirelli) - Turbo
Ret. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) - Turbo
Ret. Eddie Cheever - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) - Accident
Ret. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) - Wheel
Ret. René Arnoux - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) - Engine
Ret. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) - Turbo
Ret. Steffan Bellof - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) - Engine
Ret. Ayrton Senna - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) - Engine
Ret. Michele Alboreto - Renault (Michelin) - Turbo
Ret. Niki Lauda - Renault (Michelin) - Spun-off
Ret. Elio de Angelis - Ferrari (Michelin) - Turbo
Ret. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) - Steering
Ret. Andrea de Cesaris - Minardi-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) - Engine
Championship Standings:
Driver's Championship
1. René Arnoux (9 points)
2. Patrick Tambay (9 points)
3. Eddie Cheever (6 points)
4. Nigel Mansell (6 points)
5. Michele Alboreto (4 points)
6. Martin Brundle (4 points)
7. Alain Prost (3 points)
8. Ricardo Patrese (3 points)
9. Steffan Bellof (2 points)
10. Pierluigi Martini (2 points)
11. Desiré Wilson (1 point)
12. Piercarlo Ghinzani (1 point)
Constructor's Championship
1. Brabham (12 points)
2. Lotus (10 points)
3. McLaren (9 points)
4. Tyrrell (6 points)
5. Renault (4 points)
6. Ferrari (3 points)
7. Alfa Romeo (3 points)
8. Williams (2 points)
9. Osella (1 point)
There are 3 D&T opportunities before the next race.
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Re: F1 1984+
Arghh, so close to points! Still, at least our car seems a little more reliable, if not much faster. We will spend our three D&T opportunities on downforce, drag and reliability respectively (we will focus on the '85 car later, for now we need point-scoring form, and desperately so).
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Re: F1 1984+
BMW will do an engine upgrade, but after this upgrade will change the development direction to reliability. It seems even the overweight ATS can hold its ground on the high speed tracks, and we hope this one engine weight reduction will help them out a bit. I think today it was clear that we do have the power to be battling for points on some tracks, and that from now on, we will have to make sure we finish.
Further 1 D&T for reliability and 1 D&T for drag reduction for the Ligier car.
Further 1 D&T for reliability and 1 D&T for drag reduction for the Ligier car.
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Ferrari spends two D&T tokens on drag, and a single D&T token on downforce.
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Re: F1 1984+
Renault will use 2 tokens on drag and a single one on reliability
Re: F1 1984+
Alfa Romeo spend two D&T opportunities on downforce, and one on horsepower.
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Re: F1 1984+
Tyrrell will:
Reduce drag (x2)
Increase reliability
Reduce drag (x2)
Increase reliability
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Re: F1 1984+
Oh hey a point
We will use one D&T to increase Mechanical Grip and the other two to focus on next year's car.
Also I'm not quite sure if you did my D&Ts from the between Jacarepagua and Kyalami as you didn't post the results for it.
We will use one D&T to increase Mechanical Grip and the other two to focus on next year's car.
Also I'm not quite sure if you did my D&Ts from the between Jacarepagua and Kyalami as you didn't post the results for it.
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Re: F1 1984+
That's what we needed!
One engine upgrade for the Renault EF4B.
Furthermore, one token for downforce and one for mechanical grip.
One engine upgrade for the Renault EF4B.
Furthermore, one token for downforce and one for mechanical grip.
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Re: F1 1984+
Shame that our engine defecated on itself, as it appears that there was a point there for the taking.
Anyway, Minardi will use all three D&T opportunities to work on next season's car.
Anyway, Minardi will use all three D&T opportunities to work on next season's car.
Re: F1 1984+
Spirit will spend some money on downforce, mechanical grip and drag reduction.
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Re: F1 1984+
Williams will focus on Increasing Drag, Reducing downforce and Increasing Mechanical grip to try and fix the issues of our 1984 Car
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Re: F1 1984+
Great qualifying by Johansson, top BMW
ATS will put one each into reliability, drag reduction and next year
ATS will put one each into reliability, drag reduction and next year
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