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Jos Verstappen drove for Stewart in 1998, which became Red Bull, who his son drives for.
Jos also drove for Minardi in 2003, which became Toro Rosso, which Max drove for.
Now all we need is Max at Enstone and Mercedes... and also for Arrows and Simtek to return to F1 for Max to fully follow his father's footsteps...
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GT_Forti1 wrote: 14 Oct 2022, 00:20 Jos Verstappen drove for Stewart in 1998, which became Red Bull, who his son drives for.
Jos also drove for Minardi in 2003, which became Toro Rosso, which Max drove for.
Now all we need is Max at Enstone and Mercedes... and also for Arrows and Simtek to return to F1 for Max to fully follow his father's footsteps...
Jos was also official driver for Honda's stillborn project, and his son drove for the Honda powered works team.
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Michael Schumacher, 13 Wins in 2004
Sebastian Vettel, 13 Wins in 2013
Max Verstappen, 13 Wins in 2022 (and still counting)
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Fondmetal and Jaguar-badged engines have raced in F1, as well as constructor. However, the constructors Fondmetal and Jaguar never used Fondmetal or Jaguar-badged engines.
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GT_Forti1 wrote: 26 Oct 2022, 00:53 Fondmetal and Jaguar-badged engines have raced in F1, as well as constructor. However, the constructors Fondmetal and Jaguar never used Fondmetal or Jaguar-badged engines.
The only difference is that the Fondmetal engine was actually a Ford and the Jag engine really was a Jag or at least it was supposed to be.
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Har1MAS1415 wrote: 26 Oct 2022, 09:45
GT_Forti1 wrote: 26 Oct 2022, 00:53 Fondmetal and Jaguar-badged engines have raced in F1, as well as constructor. However, the constructors Fondmetal and Jaguar never used Fondmetal or Jaguar-badged engines.
The only difference is that the Fondmetal engine was actually a Ford and the Jag engine really was a Jag or at least it was supposed to be.
Technically it was a 'Ford engine tuned by Fontmetal' so they had a little bit involvement in improving the engine.
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Butterfox wrote: 26 Oct 2022, 11:05
Har1MAS1415 wrote: 26 Oct 2022, 09:45
GT_Forti1 wrote: 26 Oct 2022, 00:53 Fondmetal and Jaguar-badged engines have raced in F1, as well as constructor. However, the constructors Fondmetal and Jaguar never used Fondmetal or Jaguar-badged engines.
The only difference is that the Fondmetal engine was actually a Ford and the Jag engine really was a Jag or at least it was supposed to be.
Technically it was a 'Ford engine tuned by Fontmetal' so they had a little bit involvement in improving the engine.
Semantics are beginning to spring to mind.
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Red Bull could become only the 2nd team to score more than 15 Wins in a season but Mercedes' 2016 record remains standing for at least another season.
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dr-baker wrote: 28 Oct 2022, 16:50




I believe this post epitomizes the title of this thread in a way no other has!
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If Logan Sargent does get a superlicence and a seat at Williams for 2023, it will be a whole 16 years since an American driver was on the grid at the beginning of the season and 17 since an American lasted an entire F1 season, as well as the first American to grace the grid since 2015.
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Row Man Gross-Gene wrote: 28 Oct 2022, 17:25
dr-baker wrote: 28 Oct 2022, 16:50




I believe this post epitomizes the title of this thread in a way no other has!
I really hope they don't think Daniel's last name is spelled Riccardo, because it's not :lol: unless in 2011 they were thinking of Kar-un Chandhok and Narain Kar-thikeyan, which almost counts!
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There’s still a possibility to end this but if none of Hamilton,Russell,Norris,McLaren,Aston Martin and Williams win 1 of the remaining races it’ll be the first time since 1952!!! that Great Britain would not have a driver or constructor win a race all season.
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Drivers with most race finishes inside the top 5 positions:

1. Lewis Hamilton 237
2. Michael Schumacher 183
3. Sebastian Vettel 177
4. Kimi Raikkonen 156
5. Fernando Alonso 150
6. Alain Prost 121
7. Rubens Barrichello 106
8. Valtteri Bottas 104
9. Jenson Button 101
10. Max Verstappen 101
11. David Coulthard 93
12. Nelson Piquet 93
13. Ayrton Senna 93
14. Nico Rosberg 84
15. Felipe Massa 83
16. Gerhard Berger 82
17. Mika Hakkinen 74
18. Nigel Mansell 73
19. Daniel Ricciardo 73
20. Mark Webber 69


And most race finishes inside the top 10:

1. Lewis Hamilton 270
2. Fernando Alonso 236
3. Kimi Raikkonen 232
4. Michael Schumacher 227
5. Sebastian Vettel 220
6. Felipe Massa 188
7. Jenson Button 181
8. Rubens Barrichello 174
9. Sergio Perez 150
10. David Coulthard 147
11. Nico Rosberg 144
12. Valtteri Bottas 139
13. Alain Prost 139
14. Mark Webber 133
15. Daniel Ricciardo 131
16. Max Verstappen 125
17. Nelson Piquet 118
18. Giancarlo Fisichella 117
19. Gerhard Berger 115
20. Riccardo Patrese 110


Most race finishes in 2nd place:

1. Lewis Hamilton 51
2. Michael Schumacher 43
3. Fernando Alonso 37
4. Kimi Raikkonen 37
5. Sebastian Vettel 36
6. Alain Prost 35
7. Rubens Barrichello 29
8. Valtteri Bottas 29
9. David Coulthard 26
10. Max Verstappen 26
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Rob Dylan wrote: 29 Oct 2022, 08:25
Row Man Gross-Gene wrote: 28 Oct 2022, 17:25
dr-baker wrote: 28 Oct 2022, 16:50




I believe this post epitomizes the title of this thread in a way no other has!
I really hope they don't think Daniel's last name is spelled Riccardo, because it's not :lol: unless in 2011 they were thinking of Kar-un Chandhok and Narain Kar-thikeyan, which almost counts!
I think they must have. :evil: We've had CARlos Sainz since 2015, and GianCARlos Fisichella until 2009, which does only leave Daniel RicCiARdo in the meantime.

I might try to check every other year at some point, but I know we would start at the beginning with Alberto AsCARi.
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Rob Dylan wrote: 29 Oct 2022, 08:25
Row Man Gross-Gene wrote: 28 Oct 2022, 17:25
dr-baker wrote: 28 Oct 2022, 16:50




I believe this post epitomizes the title of this thread in a way no other has!
I really hope they don't think Daniel's last name is spelled Riccardo, because it's not :lol: unless in 2011 they were thinking of Kar-un Chandhok and Narain Kar-thikeyan, which almost counts!
I see the spirit of Nino vacCARella lives on
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As Verstappen claimed pole position yesterday for the Mexican GP, James Hinchcliffe said on F1TV it was 11 different pole sitters in the last 11 Mexican Grand Prix. That's incorrect as Senna had back-to-back poles in '88 and '89.

1. 2022 Max Verstappen
2. 2019 Charles Leclerc
3. 2018 Daniel Ricciardo
4. 2017 Sebastian Vettel
5. 2016 Lewis Hamilton
6. 2015 Nico Rosberg
7. 1992 Nigel Mansell
8. 1991 Riccardo Patrese
9. 1990 Gerhard Berger
10. 1989 Ayrton Senna
11. 1988 Ayrton Senna
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Jocke1 wrote: 30 Oct 2022, 10:31 As Verstappen claimed pole position yesterday for the Mexican GP, James Hinchcliffe said on F1TV it was 11 different pole sitters in the last 11 Mexican Grand Prix. That's incorrect as Senna had back-to-back poles in '88 and '89.

1. 2022 Max Verstappen
2. 2019 Charles Leclerc
3. 2018 Daniel Ricciardo
4. 2017 Sebastian Vettel
5. 2016 Lewis Hamilton
6. 2015 Nico Rosberg
7. 1992 Nigel Mansell
8. 1991 Riccardo Patrese
9. 1990 Gerhard Berger
10. 1989 Ayrton Senna
11. 1988 Ayrton Senna
You’ve missed Valterri Bottas 2021 so it is 11 in 11. It wouldn’t have been though if Max hadn’t been demoted for yellow flag speeding in 2019.
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Kevin Magnussen's sprint race pole makes Haas only the 2nd American F1 team to score a pole. Shadow were competing under an American licence when they scored all their pole positions in 1975.
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Freeze-O-Kimi wrote: 29 Oct 2022, 08:40 There’s still a possibility to end this but if none of Hamilton,Russell,Norris,McLaren,Aston Martin and Williams win 1 of the remaining races it’ll be the first time since 1952!!! that Great Britain would not have a driver or constructor win a race all season.
And this stat can now be binned off
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Freeze-O-Kimi wrote: 13 Nov 2022, 19:56
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote: 29 Oct 2022, 08:40 There’s still a possibility to end this but if none of Hamilton,Russell,Norris,McLaren,Aston Martin and Williams win 1 of the remaining races it’ll be the first time since 1952!!! that Great Britain would not have a driver or constructor win a race all season.
And this stat can now be binned off
Although this is the first ever time God Save The King has been played on the podium. It had always been God Save The Queen previously...
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Alain Prost, 4 titles, 199 starts
Sebastian Vettel, 4 titles, about to achieve 299 starts if he makes the start in Abu Dhabi.

May not be that interesting to some but it is to me.

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Haas have actually equalled Manor's lifespan, and I don't know how I feel about that
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Logan Sargeant will be only the 2nd American to race for Williams and the first to drive for them full-time. (Mario Andretti was the first with his one-off in 1982 and Kevin Cogan in 1980 doesn't count as he failed to qualify and was driving for RAM Racing)
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Maybe this doesn't quite belong in the "Unusual" Stats section, but I don't know where else to put it.

I was watching the 1985 season review a few days ago, and the thought occurred to me it was possible that there might be a podium where all three drivers have since died - given that the season had Senna, De Angelis, Lauda and Alboreto in competitive cars (also De Cesaris, Bellof, and Manfred Winkelhock). Some of the podiums contained two deceased drivers, but not three.

At this point I wanted some kind of equivalent of Cricinfo's database with Statsguru to be able to search statistics like this easily. But it doesn't exist, so I had to trawl through Wikipedia instead.

The earliest podium at which all three drivers are dead, is (not entirely surprisingly) from 1982, the San Marino Grand Prix (Pironi, Villeneuve, Alboreto) where only half the grid turned up.

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dinizintheoven wrote: 25 Nov 2022, 23:18 Your task, should you choose to take it on, is to find the latest podium at which all three of the drivers are still alive.
I don't know if you're being funny, but 2022 Abu Dhabi GP with Verstappen, Leclerc and Perez?

Did you possibly mean earliest podium by any chance?
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I did a check for about two minutes of my life by jumping into the mid-70s. The earliest race I have found so far is the 1974 British Grand Prix, with Emerson Fittipaldi, Jody Scheckter and Jacky Ickx. Someone else can start from 1973 backwards :P


I came here to say that Sebastian Vettel's podium at Hungary last year, which was disallowed, ended up being his final one in F1. Are there other drivers whose final podium/win was disallowed? Obviously Schumacher's last pole was disallowed at Monaco.
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Rob Dylan wrote: 26 Nov 2022, 15:49 I did a check for about two minutes of my life by jumping into the mid-70s. The earliest race I have found so far is the 1974 British Grand Prix, with Emerson Fittipaldi, Jody Scheckter and Jacky Ickx. Someone else can start from 1973 backwards :P
As it turns out, that is the right answer. Every podium before that featured at least one person who has since died, unfortunately many of them in racing accidents (F1 or otherwise).

The earliest podium finisher still alive is Hans Herrmann, who finished 3rd at the 1954 Swiss GP (his only podium). The next closest is Paul Goldsmith, who finished 3rd at the 1960 Indy 500 (also his only podium finish at Indy). And if we disregard Indy 500 completely, we have to go all the way to the 1965 Monaco GP - Jackie Stewart's first podium.

As dinizintheoven pointed out, the latest podium where all three drivers have since died was at the 1982 San Marino GP (for rather obvious reasons). The next closest is the 1989 Mexican GP, with only the second-placed Riccardo Patrese still alive.

Obviously, the 1993 Australian GP is the latest race where at least one of the podium finishers has since died.
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Rob Dylan wrote: 26 Nov 2022, 15:49 I came here to say that Sebastian Vettel's podium at Hungary last year, which was disallowed, ended up being his final one in F1. Are there other drivers whose final podium/win was disallowed? Obviously Schumacher's last pole was disallowed at Monaco.
Stefan Bellof lost what was not only his last but also his only podium in Monaco 1984 when all of Tyrrell's results that season were disqualified. Quite unfair to him, as I can't think of any other case where both a team and its drivers lost all their results that season after a rule violation (Schumacher 1997 and McLaren 2007 only lost the points in their respective championships, none of their race results were taken away).

Patrick Gaillard (Spain 1980) and Scott Speed (Australia 2006) lost their only career points, the former due to the Grand Prix being declared a non-championship race, the latter due to a time penalty. And I guess Mazzacane might have been considered a points scorer for a few hours in Brazil 2000 before the disqualifications of four drivers were reversed.
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Here's one - dates of Sunday have fallen on the same dates in 2011, 2016 and 2022 - the only 3 years Hamilton had finished behind his teammate in the points. (ie in all 3 years Monaco was on 29th May and Spa was on 28th August). So the same shouldn't happen again next year or indeed the rest of his career as the next time dates fall that way will be 2033 when he'll be 48. (as it'll skip the leap year between 2027 and 2028).

Incidentally the same dates fell that way in 1994 - any connection to do with Senna?
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dinizintheoven wrote: 25 Nov 2022, 23:18 I was watching the 1985 season review a few days ago, and the thought occurred to me it was possible that there might be a podium where all three drivers have since died - given that the season had Senna, De Angelis, Lauda and Alboreto in competitive cars (also De Cesaris, Bellof, and Manfred Winkelhock). Some of the podiums contained two deceased drivers, but not three.

At this point I wanted some kind of equivalent of Cricinfo's database with Statsguru to be able to search statistics like this easily. But it doesn't exist, so I had to trawl through Wikipedia instead.

The earliest podium at which all three drivers are dead, is (not entirely surprisingly) from 1982, the San Marino Grand Prix (Pironi, Villeneuve, Alboreto) where only half the grid turned up.

Your task, should you choose to take it on, is to find the latest podium at which all three of the drivers are still alive.
With the sad news about Patrick Tambay, the 1985 Portuguese GP now has all 3 podium finishers having died sadly :-(
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James1978 wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 13:36 With the sad news about Patrick Tambay, the 1985 Portuguese GP now has all 3 podium finishers having died sadly :-(
Also very sad to see that five of the six points scorers in that race have died. :( De Angelis was fourth and Bellof sixth, only fifth-placed Mansell is still with us.

Spain 1976 appears to be the last race with no living points scorers. Hunt, Lauda, Nilsson, Reutemann, Amon and Pace were the top six.
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The Theodore team had two stints in F1.

The first of which started in 1977, running an Ensign, Patrick Tambay was the driver.

The second started in 1981, this time, running their own car, Patrick Tambay was the driver.

Unique achievement?

As far as I know it is.


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Both Haas' 2023 drivers scored their first pole position in Brazil but faded to 8th by the flag.
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A couple Markus Winkelhock stats from his legendary race at the Nürburgring:

1) He led 6 of the 13 laps he completed, a percentage of 46.2%. High indeed.

2) Because of the red flag, he's the only driver in F1 history to start in both first and last position in an F1 race - there was no standing restart in 2007 of course, but he was on the pole position during the red flag before the restart :D
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According to the following link:

http://second-a-lap.blogspot.com/2016/0 ... h.html?m=1

David Prophet entered a Surtees TS16 in the 1977 British Grand Prix but did not turn up.

If that is true then if he had turned up, he would be the record holder for the longest period between (World Championship) races entered instead of Jan Lammers, with his previous World Championship appearance being South Africa 1965.
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Har1MAS1415 wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 15:30 The Theodore team had two stints in F1.

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Unique achievement?
March? And I guess officially you could mention manufacturers like Honda, Mercedes and Alfa Romeo, but those really weren't the same teams anymore.
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tBone wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 22:13
Har1MAS1415 wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 15:30 The Theodore team had two stints in F1.

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Unique achievement?
March? And I guess officially you could mention manufacturers like Honda, Mercedes and Alfa Romeo, but those really weren't the same teams anymore.
Brabham (the team, not any of the drivers by that name) missed the 1988 season. Technically does that mean Brabham had two different stints?
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Onyx had a stint running De Villota's March in 1982 before their full debut in 1989 so that sorta counts, of course there are also the shenanigans of RAM racing, even if they were a privateer for the most part.
Then of course there were Williams and Williams who were different entities, even if they didn't technically skip a year. Cooper was also a bit of an on-and-off-team before they properly got started in the late fifties. And obviously BRM, with their early fifties things, then a break, followed by the owen years, and then stanley skipping 1976 almost completely before one last non-hurray in 1977
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tBone wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 22:13
Har1MAS1415 wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 15:30 The Theodore team had two stints in F1.

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Unique achievement?
March? And I guess officially you could mention manufacturers like Honda, Mercedes and Alfa Romeo, but those really weren't the same teams anymore.
Forgot about March, though you could say that team had three stints, including the RAM-run effort of the early 80s.
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