Donald Trump US President Thread

[Row Man Gross-Gene]

Welp, today's the day. Fingers crossed everyone!

[Har1MAS1415]

Don't let it be Trump again.

[Har1MAS1415]

Well, another 4 years of relevance is all but guaranteed for this thread.

[Row Man Gross-Gene]

Yeah, it's tough as a parent of a trans kid and a gay kid considering what he's said about trans youth. I hope I can make them feel safe, but I worry I won't be able to.

[Har1MAS1415]

Yeah, it's tough as a parent of a trans kid and a gay kid considering what he's said about trans youth. I hope I can make them feel safe, but I worry I won't be able to.

Dread to think where he stands on Autism and other Hidden disabilities.

Thank goodness I live in the UK.

[CoopsII]

Trump isn't necessarily the problem, irrespective of what an appalling person he is, much of his propaganda he doesn't really care enough about to try to enact. It's the people who voted for him on those issues I'd worry about. Not just because they exist but because they'll now feel empowered because of Trumps presidency.

And before us Brits start getting smug as fcuk about this don't tell me there isn't a reasonable chance that Farage will end up as leader of the Tories and then PM.

It couldn't happen here? That's what they always say...

[dr-baker]

Yeah, it's tough as a parent of a trans kid and a gay kid considering what he's said about trans youth. I hope I can make them feel safe, but I worry I won't be able to.

Dread to think where he stands on Autism and other Hidden disabilities.

Thank goodness I live in the UK.

With the cards that I have been dealt in life, I’m glad I wasn’t born in Victorian England, Nazi Germany or Trump’s USA…

[Har1MAS1415]

Yeah, it's tough as a parent of a trans kid and a gay kid considering what he's said about trans youth. I hope I can make them feel safe, but I worry I won't be able to.

Dread to think where he stands on Autism and other Hidden disabilities.

Thank goodness I live in the UK.

With the cards that I have been dealt in life, I’m glad I wasn’t born in Victorian England, Nazi Germany or Trump’s USA…

Well yes, it could be worse, especially for Autistic folk like yours truly.

[Row Man Gross-Gene]

Trump isn't necessarily the problem, irrespective of what an appalling person he is, much of his propaganda he doesn't really care enough about to try to enact. It's the people who voted for him on those issues I'd worry about. Not just because they exist but because they'll now feel empowered because of Trumps presidency.

And before us Brits start getting smug as fcuk about this don't tell me there isn't a reasonable chance that Farage will end up as leader of the Tories and then PM.

It couldn't happen here? That's what they always say...

That's been a major part of my reaction. A big part of my outlook on life has been that there are more good people than bad. This result starts to call that assumption into question. Now, I realize a part of the problem is apathy, but that's not terribly comforting either. The county where I live, the majority of the voters went for Trump. Now I know that roughly half the adults around me either want to take my kid's rights away or are indifferent to whether my kid's rights get taken away. Not a pleasant feeling, even being in a state where Harris won overall.

I can say, that my mother-in-law was English and never became a US citizen. Which means that my wife might have a right to citizenship herself, or at least some form of legal status. We are thinking about the idea of her doing that and bringing our affected kid to the UK if things get bad here. Just in case.

[CoopsII]

I also used to think the good outweighed the bad with people, I've since learned that's very wrong. At best 80/20. Over here, whilst the Brexit vote wasn't as dangerous for minorities as Trump winning over there, it did highlight how things have changed. Despite lots of stuff about trade, the NHS etc most people who voted Leave did so because they wanted less brown people about, and they still do.

As for the USA? I don't recognise the place anymore. When the message that cuts through isn't "Work hard and buy your home" but "They're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs" you've got a real problem.

[Nessafox]

I think theres still more good people than bad people, the problem is that most people have given up.

[Har1MAS1415]

I think theres still more good people than bad people, the problem is that most people have given up.

My sentiments exactly.

[dr-baker]

I think theres still more good people than bad people, the problem is that most people have given up.

My sentiments exactly.

There's good in most people, and there's bad in most people, just in different proportions and to different extremes.

[mario]

Trump isn't necessarily the problem, irrespective of what an appalling person he is, much of his propaganda he doesn't really care enough about to try to enact. It's the people who voted for him on those issues I'd worry about. Not just because they exist but because they'll now feel empowered because of Trumps presidency.

And before us Brits start getting smug as fcuk about this don't tell me there isn't a reasonable chance that Farage will end up as leader of the Tories and then PM.

It couldn't happen here? That's what they always say...

That's been a major part of my reaction. A big part of my outlook on life has been that there are more good people than bad. This result starts to call that assumption into question. Now, I realize a part of the problem is apathy, but that's not terribly comforting either. The county where I live, the majority of the voters went for Trump. Now I know that roughly half the adults around me either want to take my kid's rights away or are indifferent to whether my kid's rights get taken away. Not a pleasant feeling, even being in a state where Harris won overall.

I can say, that my mother-in-law was English and never became a US citizen. Which means that my wife might have a right to citizenship herself, or at least some form of legal status. We are thinking about the idea of her doing that and bringing our affected kid to the UK if things get bad here. Just in case.

From an initial search, it would seem that you would need to be directly descended from somebody who was British to have an automatic right to citizenship.

CoopsII is also right to note that the future may also be somewhat uncertain in the UK too and does face the prospect of becoming more hostile. There has been a rise in the popularity of groups on the more right wing of the political spectrum in the UK, and the new leader of the Conservative party - Kemi Badenoch - has come from the right wing of that party and seems intent on shifting it further to the right.

She's developed a reputation for being rather aggressive and tending to lean heavily into the "culture war" narrative, and for being hostile to the LGTB and transgender communities (see, for example, this article from 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... gbt-people). She was also promoting a proposal to change the Equalities Act in the UK to to protect “biological sex” rather than gender, which might have reduced some of the protections currently given to transgender individuals in the UK (https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/torie ... -line_link).

Now, whilst the Conservative party is out of power and has seen the number of it's MP's reduced to an all-time low, we are yet to see how the current Labour administration will fare and whether it could see a sharp reversal in fortunes when the next elections are called in 2029, unless MPs agree to an earlier election date. It's possible that the UK might therefore see a party that, whilst perhaps not quite as actively hostile as the Republican party in the US, might take a harsher line than the current administration.

I think theres still more good people than bad people, the problem is that most people have given up.

My sentiments exactly.

There's good in most people, and there's bad in most people, just in different proportions and to different extremes.

It is also worth noting that there will be many people across the political spectrum who may not agree with the more extreme wings, but with a tendency for lower voter turnouts in a number of nations, the ability to mobilise a significant percentage of a voter block has become more important. If you look at the current estimates for how many people voted in this presidential election, it's estimated that only 63.5% of the population in the US that were eligible to vote actually did vote - that is the second highest percentage of the voting public that did participate in a presidential vote in the modern era, but it means we still had large chunks of the population not participating in the vote.

It's led to a tendency to want to appeal to the sort of person who is particularly zealous about a particular cause, given they are the ones more likely to go out and campaign for a candidate and vote for them, particularly given that, in some countries - the US being notable for this - there has been a reduction in the more centrist candidates and a trend towards more political polarisation.

To some extent, as Nessafox notes, a highly motivated minority that tends towards a more extreme position that they are particularly dedicated to can end up shaping the political debate and spectrum on their terms against a wider group who may take a range of more moderate positions, but may also be less motivated or, equally, choose to vote in a range of different directions that may result in the dilution of their votes against a more organised group.

[Har1MAS1415]

I think theres still more good people than bad people, the problem is that most people have given up.

My sentiments exactly.

There's good in most people, and there's bad in most people, just in different proportions and to different extremes.

I know

[Nessafox]

I think theres still more good people than bad people, the problem is that most people have given up.

My sentiments exactly.

There's good in most people, and there's bad in most people, just in different proportions and to different extremes.

Yeah just to clarify, i do agree everyone is capable of good things and bad things, but a feeling i have is that people have given up trying to ge good, because it doesn't work out for them. An argument is of course that a truly good person doesn't want anything in return for their effort, but since most people are grey, they're stuck in a world where being good doesn't pay off.
And whichever system makes people think that it isn't worth it to be good is an inherently bad system. But don't be mistaken, the system isn't badly designed, it's designed to be bad.

[Har1MAS1415]

My sentiments exactly.

There's good in most people, and there's bad in most people, just in different proportions and to different extremes.

Yeah just to clarify, i do agree everyone is capable of good things and bad things, but a feeling i have is that people have given up trying to ge good, because it doesn't work out for them. An argument is of course that a truly good person doesn't want anything in return for their effort, but since most people are grey, they're stuck in a world where being good doesn't pay off.
And whichever system makes people think that it isn't worth it to be good is an inherently bad system. But don't be mistaken, the system isn't badly designed, it's designed to be bad.

That pretty much sums it up.