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Re: Alt-1959: Enter Monaco!
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Re: Alt-1959: Enter Monaco!
May 10th 1959, Monaco Grand Prix
After some early chaos on the starting grid where the race was started with some drivers out of position, Brabham grabbed the lead from Stirling Moss into Casino Square, with Moss, Ramos, Gregory and Graham Hill following close behind. Ramos' challenge quickly petered out as his clutch started to smell and then caught fire after completing just two laps.
Brabham soon hit a run of slower pace. This led to the formation of a close pack behind him and allowed Graham Hill and John Surtees to make some gains. By lap 5, B.C.M.A. held the first three positions, though this only lasted for two laps. Moss finally found his way through on lap 8, while his teammate dropped back to fourth behind Moss, Hill and a charging Peter Collins. Hill's very promising race would not last long however, cruelly interrupted by Brabham's attempt at returning to the front. At Portier, Brabham caught the moustachioed Brit sleeping, causing a tangle that sent Hill off piste and into the hay, ending his race. Fernand Tavano, who had managed a sensational start to the race to run in fourth, had similarly retired with suspension trouble.
Ferrari were the first to inherit from these retirements, taking up fourth, fifth and sixth places. Of particular note was Gerino Gerini, previously unremarkable, who was now fourth in his Ferrari début. Jo Bonnier was fifth, but only lasted a couple of laps longer before a puncture stopped him on the way up from Sainte-Dévote. O.S.C.A.'s race was brought to a complete halt on the next lap when González's gearbox started to lose chunks of itself. The ninth place he inherited went to Lex Davison's Lotus, but he didn't last long either as Maurice Trintignant punted him off into the straw at the Gasworks hairpin.
By lap 17, Brabham had fallen back to fourth, with Peter Collins and Phil Hill getting the better of him. This proved to be a mere blip of form though, as Brabham was back in second place on lap 20, a ways behind Moss who had just set the race's fastest lap. Brabham set about catching up to his younger teammate, while André Simon picked up where Tavano left off and drove his Voeckler through the pack to reach third place by the time lap 25 started off.
Brabham had caught Moss by this point, and Simon briefly joined the battle for the lead as Moss began to struggle for pace. On lap 28, the Brit made one mistake too many, running wide at Mirabeau and allowing Brabham into the lead. Though Moss spent the following five laps searching high and low for a way past, the Australian fought off all advances until his teammate's tyres began to require some rest. He then set about building a comfortable gap back to Moss in second, then Simon in third, Gerini in fourth and a recovering Masten Gregory in fifth. Alan Stacey's gearbox put him out of his misery shortly thereafter, the Brit having failed to make any headway in the cut-throat midfield traffic.
John Surtees had remained in the mix in the lower half of the top ten for the previous laps, passing Phil Hill for sixth place on lap 30. Peter Collins was also involved in this battle for the last point, as was Maurice Trintignant, and as the battle intensified, so did the desperation of some of the moves. On lap 36, coming up to Massenet, Hill attempted a gutsy move on the outside of Collins. The Brit did not back down, and the American wound up in the escape road, stalled and out of the race. 12 drivers remained, and Surtees had successfully not only escaped the fight, but overtaken Gregory for fifth.
The main on-track skirmishes at this point were between Moss and Simon for second, Collins and Trintignant for seventh and McLaren and Gurney for tenth. The first of them was most eagerly followed for obvious reasons, and it warranted the attention. Simon briefly had second place on lap 38, then took it again more permanently on lap 44, allowing Gerini to join the fight. Moss was clearly the fastest of the three, but Simon put up a masterclass of defensive driving, to the point where Gerini was able to snag third place on lap 47.
However, that battle for seventh heated up very quickly when Jim Russell in the Cooper-BRM finally caught up after a dozen laps of chipping away at the gap. He'd managed to pass Collins for eighth place and set his sights on Trintignant ahead. Under braking for the chicane, Trintignant moved left to defend the inside line just as Russell stuck his nose inside of the Voeckler. The Frenchman spun right into the retaining wall at fairly high speed, while Russell's out-of-control machine clipped a hay bale and overturned. The F3 champion was thrown out of his car in the process. Both drivers were stretchered away to the nearby hospital, Russell unconscious, Trintignant in visible pain.
The sight of the accident was enough to calm everyone right down, and the rest of the race was at least damage-free. Gerini's foray into the top three did not last long, as Moss took the place back on lap 51. Five laps and several spirited attempts later, he took second place as well. This time it lasted four laps, Simon resuming his lead over Moss on lap 60. This was all to Brabham's advantage, setting a new fastest lap as he pulled away further.
Valiant efforts from Masten Gregory kept Surtees at bay from the top five for a long time, but after a back-and-forth lasting the best part of ten laps, the Brit took fifth for good on lap 68. By this point, Gerini had started to struggle for pace, and fewer than ten laps down the line, Surtees took fourth place off the Italian, making it a B.C.M.A. 1-2-4 given Moss' resumption of his second-place run at the two-thirds mark. Moss reclaimed the fastest lap as well, and was closing the gap to Brabham, though the three-time champion's advantage was too great to ever fully nullify.
There were still events of interest though. Roy Salvadori had been running in last place all race, hoping to save his car for a late attack against a more diluted field, but an oil leak put an end to his race before the strategy could come to fruition. Further ahead, Gregory caught Gerini and put serious pressure on the Ferrari for several laps. However, despite a temporarily ailing car, Gerini made his car the widest on track, enough to negate Gregory's pace advantage and ending for good the American's ambition to catch Surtees ahead. Those few laps also contributed to bits of debris clogging up Gregory's radiator, forcing the Lotus to slow and allow the Coopers of Collins and a charging Bruce McLaren to catch up.
In the dying laps, B.C.M.A. began to hope of a 1-2-3 finish as Surtees began to challenge Simon's third place. However, before he could apply more consistent pressure, Surtees was faced with a devastating puncture, ending his race 15 laps from the finish. The 1-2 hopes were also dashed less than 10 laps away from the chequered flag, when the 1952 Monaco winner Simon unlocked one last crucial pocket of pace to sneak past Moss at Tabac one last time.
Ultimately, Brabham was - some early difficulties aside - absolutely imperious and secured his second Monaco victory, five years after the first, snatching the fastest lap away from Moss on the very last lap for good measure. Simon was left to take a fifth career podium and his second in Monaco, one lap behind. Moss took a comfortable third. Gerini showed the 1958 Ferrari could still be relatively competitive with fourth place, while Masten Gregory held off the Coopers for a nonetheless promising fifth. Collins held off McLaren for the final point, helped by Brabham lapping the Kiwi shortly before taking the chequered flag. Dan Gurney was classified eighth and last, though he ran out of fuel two laps short of taking the flag.
1. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) 2:54:58.41
2. André Simon (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) +2 laps
3. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) +3 laps
4. Gerino Gerini (Ferrari) +4 laps
5. Masten Gregory (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +5 laps
6. Peter Collins (Cooper-Climax) +6 laps
7. Bruce McLaren (Cooper-Climax) +7 laps
8. Dan Gurney (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +9 laps/Out of fuel
Ret. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) +16 laps/Puncture
Ret. Roy Salvadori (Vanwall) +34 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Maurice Trintignant (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) +53 laps/Collision
Ret. Jim Russell (Cooper-BRM) +53 laps/Collision
Ret. Phil Hill (Ferrari) +65 laps/Collision
Ret. Alan Stacey (B.C.M.A.) +70 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Lex Davison (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +84 laps/Collision
Ret. José Froilán González (O.S.C.A.) +85 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Jo Bonnier (Ferrari) +86 laps/Puncture
Ret. Graham Hill (O.S.C.A.) +89 laps/Collision
Ret. Fernand Tavano (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) +91 laps/Suspension
Ret. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) +98 laps/Clutch
Fastest lap: Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - 1:39.85
Lap chart
Championship standings
Drivers
1. José Froilán González - 9 (1 win, 1 Ret)
2. Jack Brabham - 9 (1 win)
3. André Simon - 6 (1 2nd, 1 Ret)
4. Wolfgang von Trips - 6 (1 2nd, 1 DNQ)
5. Stirling Moss - 4
6. Gerino Gerini - 3
7. Masten Gregory - 2
8. Peter Collins - 1
Constructors
1. O.S.C.A. - 9 (1 win, 1 2nd)
2. B.C.M.A. - 9 (1 win, 1 3rd)
3. Voeckler-O.S.C.A. - 6
4. Ferrari - 3
5. Lotus-O.S.C.A. - 2
6. Cooper-Climax - 1
Entrants
1. British Commonwealth Motorsport Association - 9 (1 win, 1 3rd)
2. Officine Secializzate Costruzione Automobili - 9 (1 win, 4 Rets)
3. Écurie Voeckler - 6 (1 2nd, 5 Rets)
4. Scuderia Centro Sud - 6 (1 2nd, 2 DNQs)
5. Scuderia Ferrari - 3
6. Team Lotus - 2
7. Cooper Car Company - 1
Prize money to come in due course.
After some early chaos on the starting grid where the race was started with some drivers out of position, Brabham grabbed the lead from Stirling Moss into Casino Square, with Moss, Ramos, Gregory and Graham Hill following close behind. Ramos' challenge quickly petered out as his clutch started to smell and then caught fire after completing just two laps.
Brabham soon hit a run of slower pace. This led to the formation of a close pack behind him and allowed Graham Hill and John Surtees to make some gains. By lap 5, B.C.M.A. held the first three positions, though this only lasted for two laps. Moss finally found his way through on lap 8, while his teammate dropped back to fourth behind Moss, Hill and a charging Peter Collins. Hill's very promising race would not last long however, cruelly interrupted by Brabham's attempt at returning to the front. At Portier, Brabham caught the moustachioed Brit sleeping, causing a tangle that sent Hill off piste and into the hay, ending his race. Fernand Tavano, who had managed a sensational start to the race to run in fourth, had similarly retired with suspension trouble.
Ferrari were the first to inherit from these retirements, taking up fourth, fifth and sixth places. Of particular note was Gerino Gerini, previously unremarkable, who was now fourth in his Ferrari début. Jo Bonnier was fifth, but only lasted a couple of laps longer before a puncture stopped him on the way up from Sainte-Dévote. O.S.C.A.'s race was brought to a complete halt on the next lap when González's gearbox started to lose chunks of itself. The ninth place he inherited went to Lex Davison's Lotus, but he didn't last long either as Maurice Trintignant punted him off into the straw at the Gasworks hairpin.
By lap 17, Brabham had fallen back to fourth, with Peter Collins and Phil Hill getting the better of him. This proved to be a mere blip of form though, as Brabham was back in second place on lap 20, a ways behind Moss who had just set the race's fastest lap. Brabham set about catching up to his younger teammate, while André Simon picked up where Tavano left off and drove his Voeckler through the pack to reach third place by the time lap 25 started off.
Brabham had caught Moss by this point, and Simon briefly joined the battle for the lead as Moss began to struggle for pace. On lap 28, the Brit made one mistake too many, running wide at Mirabeau and allowing Brabham into the lead. Though Moss spent the following five laps searching high and low for a way past, the Australian fought off all advances until his teammate's tyres began to require some rest. He then set about building a comfortable gap back to Moss in second, then Simon in third, Gerini in fourth and a recovering Masten Gregory in fifth. Alan Stacey's gearbox put him out of his misery shortly thereafter, the Brit having failed to make any headway in the cut-throat midfield traffic.
John Surtees had remained in the mix in the lower half of the top ten for the previous laps, passing Phil Hill for sixth place on lap 30. Peter Collins was also involved in this battle for the last point, as was Maurice Trintignant, and as the battle intensified, so did the desperation of some of the moves. On lap 36, coming up to Massenet, Hill attempted a gutsy move on the outside of Collins. The Brit did not back down, and the American wound up in the escape road, stalled and out of the race. 12 drivers remained, and Surtees had successfully not only escaped the fight, but overtaken Gregory for fifth.
The main on-track skirmishes at this point were between Moss and Simon for second, Collins and Trintignant for seventh and McLaren and Gurney for tenth. The first of them was most eagerly followed for obvious reasons, and it warranted the attention. Simon briefly had second place on lap 38, then took it again more permanently on lap 44, allowing Gerini to join the fight. Moss was clearly the fastest of the three, but Simon put up a masterclass of defensive driving, to the point where Gerini was able to snag third place on lap 47.
However, that battle for seventh heated up very quickly when Jim Russell in the Cooper-BRM finally caught up after a dozen laps of chipping away at the gap. He'd managed to pass Collins for eighth place and set his sights on Trintignant ahead. Under braking for the chicane, Trintignant moved left to defend the inside line just as Russell stuck his nose inside of the Voeckler. The Frenchman spun right into the retaining wall at fairly high speed, while Russell's out-of-control machine clipped a hay bale and overturned. The F3 champion was thrown out of his car in the process. Both drivers were stretchered away to the nearby hospital, Russell unconscious, Trintignant in visible pain.
The sight of the accident was enough to calm everyone right down, and the rest of the race was at least damage-free. Gerini's foray into the top three did not last long, as Moss took the place back on lap 51. Five laps and several spirited attempts later, he took second place as well. This time it lasted four laps, Simon resuming his lead over Moss on lap 60. This was all to Brabham's advantage, setting a new fastest lap as he pulled away further.
Valiant efforts from Masten Gregory kept Surtees at bay from the top five for a long time, but after a back-and-forth lasting the best part of ten laps, the Brit took fifth for good on lap 68. By this point, Gerini had started to struggle for pace, and fewer than ten laps down the line, Surtees took fourth place off the Italian, making it a B.C.M.A. 1-2-4 given Moss' resumption of his second-place run at the two-thirds mark. Moss reclaimed the fastest lap as well, and was closing the gap to Brabham, though the three-time champion's advantage was too great to ever fully nullify.
There were still events of interest though. Roy Salvadori had been running in last place all race, hoping to save his car for a late attack against a more diluted field, but an oil leak put an end to his race before the strategy could come to fruition. Further ahead, Gregory caught Gerini and put serious pressure on the Ferrari for several laps. However, despite a temporarily ailing car, Gerini made his car the widest on track, enough to negate Gregory's pace advantage and ending for good the American's ambition to catch Surtees ahead. Those few laps also contributed to bits of debris clogging up Gregory's radiator, forcing the Lotus to slow and allow the Coopers of Collins and a charging Bruce McLaren to catch up.
In the dying laps, B.C.M.A. began to hope of a 1-2-3 finish as Surtees began to challenge Simon's third place. However, before he could apply more consistent pressure, Surtees was faced with a devastating puncture, ending his race 15 laps from the finish. The 1-2 hopes were also dashed less than 10 laps away from the chequered flag, when the 1952 Monaco winner Simon unlocked one last crucial pocket of pace to sneak past Moss at Tabac one last time.
Ultimately, Brabham was - some early difficulties aside - absolutely imperious and secured his second Monaco victory, five years after the first, snatching the fastest lap away from Moss on the very last lap for good measure. Simon was left to take a fifth career podium and his second in Monaco, one lap behind. Moss took a comfortable third. Gerini showed the 1958 Ferrari could still be relatively competitive with fourth place, while Masten Gregory held off the Coopers for a nonetheless promising fifth. Collins held off McLaren for the final point, helped by Brabham lapping the Kiwi shortly before taking the chequered flag. Dan Gurney was classified eighth and last, though he ran out of fuel two laps short of taking the flag.
1. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) 2:54:58.41
2. André Simon (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) +2 laps
3. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) +3 laps
4. Gerino Gerini (Ferrari) +4 laps
5. Masten Gregory (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +5 laps
6. Peter Collins (Cooper-Climax) +6 laps
7. Bruce McLaren (Cooper-Climax) +7 laps
8. Dan Gurney (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +9 laps/Out of fuel
Ret. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) +16 laps/Puncture
Ret. Roy Salvadori (Vanwall) +34 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Maurice Trintignant (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) +53 laps/Collision
Ret. Jim Russell (Cooper-BRM) +53 laps/Collision
Ret. Phil Hill (Ferrari) +65 laps/Collision
Ret. Alan Stacey (B.C.M.A.) +70 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Lex Davison (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +84 laps/Collision
Ret. José Froilán González (O.S.C.A.) +85 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Jo Bonnier (Ferrari) +86 laps/Puncture
Ret. Graham Hill (O.S.C.A.) +89 laps/Collision
Ret. Fernand Tavano (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) +91 laps/Suspension
Ret. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) +98 laps/Clutch
Fastest lap: Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - 1:39.85
Lap chart
Championship standings
Drivers
1. José Froilán González - 9 (1 win, 1 Ret)
2. Jack Brabham - 9 (1 win)
3. André Simon - 6 (1 2nd, 1 Ret)
4. Wolfgang von Trips - 6 (1 2nd, 1 DNQ)
5. Stirling Moss - 4
6. Gerino Gerini - 3
7. Masten Gregory - 2
8. Peter Collins - 1
Constructors
1. O.S.C.A. - 9 (1 win, 1 2nd)
2. B.C.M.A. - 9 (1 win, 1 3rd)
3. Voeckler-O.S.C.A. - 6
4. Ferrari - 3
5. Lotus-O.S.C.A. - 2
6. Cooper-Climax - 1
Entrants
1. British Commonwealth Motorsport Association - 9 (1 win, 1 3rd)
2. Officine Secializzate Costruzione Automobili - 9 (1 win, 4 Rets)
3. Écurie Voeckler - 6 (1 2nd, 5 Rets)
4. Scuderia Centro Sud - 6 (1 2nd, 2 DNQs)
5. Scuderia Ferrari - 3
6. Team Lotus - 2
7. Cooper Car Company - 1
Prize money to come in due course.
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Re: Alt-1959: Enter Monaco!
Post-race report
Injuries
Following their accident, both Jim Russell and Maurice Trintignant were taken to hospital. Russell soon woke up with no lasting effects, and was released after two days of observation with road burn and a minor concussion. Trintignant was less lucky, having broken his left arm in the impact. Doctors estimate his recovery will take 8 months.
Damages
G. Hill's chassis (O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 3) - £6 601
Davison's chassis (Lotus 16 chassis 3) - £8 619
P. Hill's chassis (Ferrari 246 chassis 2) - £6 131
Trintignant's chassis (Voeckler Type 57 chassis 2) - £11 494
Russell's chassis (Cooper T45 chassis 3) - £17 380
Prize money (distance)
Jack Brabham - £2 000
André Simon - £1 980
Stirling Moss - £1 970
Gerino Gerini - £1 960
Masten Gregory - £1 950
Peter Collins - £1 940
Bruce McLaren - £1 930
Dan Gurney - £1 910
John Surtees - £1 840
Roy Salvadori - £1 660
Maurice Trintignant - £1 470
Jim Russell - £1 470
Phil Hill - £1 350
Alan Stacey - £1 300
Lex Davison - £1 160
José Froilán González - £1 150
Jo Bonnier - £1 140
Graham Hill - £1 110
Fernand Tavano - £1 090
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £1 020
Stuart Lewis-Evans - £500
Henry Taylor - £500
Olivier Gendebien - £500
Wolfgang von Trips - £500
Consalvo Sanesi - £500
Rob Slotemaker - £500
Troy Ruttman - £500
Honoré Wagner - £500
Prize money (position)
Jack Brabham - £27 500
André Simon - £21 250
Stirling Moss - £18 000
Gerino Gerini - £11 750
Masten Gregory - £9 000
Peter Collins - £6 250
Bruce McLaren - £5 500
Dan Gurney - £4 750
John Surtees - £4 000
Roy Salvadori - £3 250
Maurice Trintignant - £2 500
Jim Russell - £2 250
Phil Hill - £2 000
Alan Stacey - £1 750
Lex Davison - £1 500
José Froilán González - £1 250
Jo Bonnier - £1 000
Graham Hill - £750
Fernand Tavano - £500
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £250
Budgets have been updated.
Injuries
Following their accident, both Jim Russell and Maurice Trintignant were taken to hospital. Russell soon woke up with no lasting effects, and was released after two days of observation with road burn and a minor concussion. Trintignant was less lucky, having broken his left arm in the impact. Doctors estimate his recovery will take 8 months.
Damages
G. Hill's chassis (O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 3) - £6 601
Davison's chassis (Lotus 16 chassis 3) - £8 619
P. Hill's chassis (Ferrari 246 chassis 2) - £6 131
Trintignant's chassis (Voeckler Type 57 chassis 2) - £11 494
Russell's chassis (Cooper T45 chassis 3) - £17 380
Prize money (distance)
Jack Brabham - £2 000
André Simon - £1 980
Stirling Moss - £1 970
Gerino Gerini - £1 960
Masten Gregory - £1 950
Peter Collins - £1 940
Bruce McLaren - £1 930
Dan Gurney - £1 910
John Surtees - £1 840
Roy Salvadori - £1 660
Maurice Trintignant - £1 470
Jim Russell - £1 470
Phil Hill - £1 350
Alan Stacey - £1 300
Lex Davison - £1 160
José Froilán González - £1 150
Jo Bonnier - £1 140
Graham Hill - £1 110
Fernand Tavano - £1 090
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £1 020
Stuart Lewis-Evans - £500
Henry Taylor - £500
Olivier Gendebien - £500
Wolfgang von Trips - £500
Consalvo Sanesi - £500
Rob Slotemaker - £500
Troy Ruttman - £500
Honoré Wagner - £500
Prize money (position)
Jack Brabham - £27 500
André Simon - £21 250
Stirling Moss - £18 000
Gerino Gerini - £11 750
Masten Gregory - £9 000
Peter Collins - £6 250
Bruce McLaren - £5 500
Dan Gurney - £4 750
John Surtees - £4 000
Roy Salvadori - £3 250
Maurice Trintignant - £2 500
Jim Russell - £2 250
Phil Hill - £2 000
Alan Stacey - £1 750
Lex Davison - £1 500
José Froilán González - £1 250
Jo Bonnier - £1 000
Graham Hill - £750
Fernand Tavano - £500
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £250
Budgets have been updated.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
XLVI Grand Prix de l'ACF - Entry list
1. Masten Gregory (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 8
2. Alan Stacey (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 9
3. Lex Davison (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16, chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 10
4. Jim Russell (British Racing Partnership) - Cooper T45 chassis 3, BRM P26 engine 5
5. Honoré Wagner (Honoré Wagner) - Lotus 12 chassis 2, OSCA 1558 engine 11
6. Carel Godin de Beaufort (Ecurie Maarsbergen) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 12, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 3
7. Roy Salvadori (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
8. Bruce McLaren (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 1, Climax FPF V engine 1
9. Peter Collins (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 2, Climax FPF V engine 2
10. Robert la Caze* (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 6
11. André Simon (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 5
12. Fernand Tavano (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 7
13. Jack Brabham (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 1
14. John Surtees (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 2
15. Stirling Moss (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 3, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 3
16. Jo Bonnier (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
17. Phil Hill (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
18. Gerino Gerini (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 5
19. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 4
20. Dan Gurney (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
21. Troy Ruttman (Owen Racing Organisation) - Lotus 12 chassis 4, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
22. Mike Parkes (David Fry) - Fry F2 chassis 1, Borgward 1500 RS engine 1*
23. Wolfgang von Trips (Scuderia Centro-Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 10, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 14
24. Consalvo Sanesi (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1
25. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Officine Secializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 1
26. José Froilán González (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 2
27. Graham Hill (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 3
28. Henry Taylor (Hampshire Racing Alliance) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 2, Vanwall VE2 engine 6
29. Peter Ashdown* (Hampshire Racing Alliance) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 16, Vanwall VE2 engine 2
30. Rob Slotemaker (Rob Slotemaker) - Cooper T45 chassis 5, Climax FPV IV engine 4
31. Jean Lucienbonnet (Jean Lucienbonnet) - BRM P25 chassis 2, BRM P26 engine 2*
32. Bernard Collomb (Bernard Collomb) - BRM P25 chassis 1, BRM P26 engine 1*
33. Alain de Changy (Alain de Changy) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 1, Gordini G258/A engine 1*
34. Jean-Claude Vidilles (Jean-Claude Vidilles) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 3, Gordini G258/A engine 2*
35. "Romain" ("Romain") - Gordini Type 56 chassis 4, Gordini G258/A engine 3*
36. Alain Dagan (Alain Dagan) - Fry F2 chassis 2, Borgward 1500 RS engine 2
*pending checks
You have until Sunday, July 28th at noon CET to enter!
1. Masten Gregory (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 8
2. Alan Stacey (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 9
3. Lex Davison (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16, chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 10
4. Jim Russell (British Racing Partnership) - Cooper T45 chassis 3, BRM P26 engine 5
5. Honoré Wagner (Honoré Wagner) - Lotus 12 chassis 2, OSCA 1558 engine 11
6. Carel Godin de Beaufort (Ecurie Maarsbergen) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 12, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 3
7. Roy Salvadori (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
8. Bruce McLaren (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 1, Climax FPF V engine 1
9. Peter Collins (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 2, Climax FPF V engine 2
10. Robert la Caze* (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 6
11. André Simon (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 5
12. Fernand Tavano (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 7
13. Jack Brabham (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 1
14. John Surtees (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 2
15. Stirling Moss (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 3, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 3
16. Jo Bonnier (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
17. Phil Hill (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
18. Gerino Gerini (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 5
19. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 4
20. Dan Gurney (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
21. Troy Ruttman (Owen Racing Organisation) - Lotus 12 chassis 4, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
22. Mike Parkes (David Fry) - Fry F2 chassis 1, Borgward 1500 RS engine 1*
23. Wolfgang von Trips (Scuderia Centro-Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 10, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 14
24. Consalvo Sanesi (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1
25. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Officine Secializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 1
26. José Froilán González (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 2
27. Graham Hill (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 3
28. Henry Taylor (Hampshire Racing Alliance) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 2, Vanwall VE2 engine 6
29. Peter Ashdown* (Hampshire Racing Alliance) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 16, Vanwall VE2 engine 2
30. Rob Slotemaker (Rob Slotemaker) - Cooper T45 chassis 5, Climax FPV IV engine 4
31. Jean Lucienbonnet (Jean Lucienbonnet) - BRM P25 chassis 2, BRM P26 engine 2*
32. Bernard Collomb (Bernard Collomb) - BRM P25 chassis 1, BRM P26 engine 1*
33. Alain de Changy (Alain de Changy) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 1, Gordini G258/A engine 1*
34. Jean-Claude Vidilles (Jean-Claude Vidilles) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 3, Gordini G258/A engine 2*
35. "Romain" ("Romain") - Gordini Type 56 chassis 4, Gordini G258/A engine 3*
36. Alain Dagan (Alain Dagan) - Fry F2 chassis 2, Borgward 1500 RS engine 2
*pending checks
You have until Sunday, July 28th at noon CET to enter!
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Team Lotus
Masten Gregory - Lotus 16 chassis 1 | OSCA 1559 engine 8
Alan Stacey - Lotus 16 chassis 2 | OSCA 1559 engine 9
Lex Davison - Lotus 16 chassis 3 | OSCA 1559 engine 10
Jim Clark will also be invited to travel with the team, but will not be entered into this Grand Prix.
- Jim Russell - Cooper T45 chassis 3 | BRM P26 engine 5
we expect Jim Russell to return shortly, but will be sitting out a race to recover after his incident at the previous round
Honoré Wagner - Lotus 12 chassis 2 | OSCA 1558 engine 11
equipment loaned from Lotus
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Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Carel Godin De Beaufort will enter with the material he's got for Ecurie Maarsbergen.
I don't know what i want and i want it now!
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Vandervell Products Ltd. shall enter with the same equipment and driver as the Monaco GP.
Eurosport broadcast for the 1990 Mexican GP prequalifying:
"The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
"The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
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Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Cooper will enter the French GP with Peter Collins and Bruce McLaren, with the same setup as in Monaco
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Voeckler will repair the damaged vehicles. We will keep the same plans as before, except at this race we will enter Robert La Caze for the next race in the place of the injured Trintignant - who we wish well in his recovery.
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
For the French Grand Prix, B.C.M.A. will submit the following entries:
Jack Brabham - P.1101 1, Pegasus 1
John Surtees - P.1101 2, Pegasus 2
Stirling Moss - P.1101 3, Pegasus 3
Jack Brabham - P.1101 1, Pegasus 1
John Surtees - P.1101 2, Pegasus 2
Stirling Moss - P.1101 3, Pegasus 3
Klon, on Alt-F1 wrote: I like to think it's more poker than gambling, though.
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Ferrari will repair Phil Hill's 246 chassis 2.
We will bring three cars into France:
27. Jo Bonnier (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
28. Phil Hill (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
29. Gerino Gerini (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 5
We will bring three cars into France:
27. Jo Bonnier (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
28. Phil Hill (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
29. Gerino Gerini (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 5
Mario on Gutierrez after the Italian Grand Prix wrote:He's no longer just a bit of a tool, he's the entire tool set.
18-07-2015: Forever in our hearts Jules.
25-08-2015: Forever in our hearts Justin.
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Rob Walker Racing
Stuart Lewis-Evans - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 4
Dan Gurney - Lotus 12 chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
Owen Racing Organisation
Troy Ruttman - Lotus 12 chassis 4, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
Stuart Lewis-Evans - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 4
Dan Gurney - Lotus 12 chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
Owen Racing Organisation
Troy Ruttman - Lotus 12 chassis 4, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
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Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
IF there are less entries than grid spots, Fry will enter with their F2 car and Mike Parkes. If there are sufficient entries, they will not leave England.
Fry is still looking for a Cheap - preferrably British - engine. If we can't find one, we'll build a Borgward engine for 10K.
Fry is still looking for a Cheap - preferrably British - engine. If we can't find one, we'll build a Borgward engine for 10K.
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I don't know what i want and i want it now!
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Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Scuderia Centro Sud entries:
Wolfgang von Trips (Scuderia Centro-Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 10, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 14 (leased from O.S.C.A.)
Consalvo Sanesi (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1 (leased from O.S.C.A.)
The chassis - engine combinations are identical to the ones leased to us prior from O.S.C.A. - if pi wishes to change this, that is fine by me
Wolfgang von Trips (Scuderia Centro-Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 10, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 14 (leased from O.S.C.A.)
Consalvo Sanesi (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1 (leased from O.S.C.A.)
The chassis - engine combinations are identical to the ones leased to us prior from O.S.C.A. - if pi wishes to change this, that is fine by me
Klon wrote:more liek Nick Ass-idy amirite?
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
O.S.C.A. will enter the regular lineup of cars for the French Grand Prix. The team shall carry out the necessary repairs to Hill's chassis.
Hernando da Silva Ramos (Officine Secializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 1
José Froilán González (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 2
Graham Hill (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 3
Hernando da Silva Ramos (Officine Secializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 1
José Froilán González (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 2
Graham Hill (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 3
pasta_maldonado wrote:The stewards have recommended that Alan Jones learns to drive.
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Hampshire Racing Alliance will enter the following:
Henry Taylor - Vanwall VW58 chassis 2, Vanwall VE2 engine 6
Peter Ashdown - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 16, Vanwall VE2 engine 2
We continue to hope Mike Taylor's career fizzles out and he ends up in a South Wales coal mine.
Henry Taylor - Vanwall VW58 chassis 2, Vanwall VE2 engine 6
Peter Ashdown - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 16, Vanwall VE2 engine 2
We continue to hope Mike Taylor's career fizzles out and he ends up in a South Wales coal mine.
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
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Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
(With permission from Nessafox) Firstly, Rob Slotemaker will borrow a car from Reg Parnell for the French GP. He will pay for all repairs and transport.
Cooper T45 5 - Climax FPV IV 4
The following privateers will attempt to enter the French GP, renting vehicles, if Formula 2 vehicles are allowed. Any cars used will have repair costs taken care of:
Jean Lucienbonnet (BRM P25 2 - BRM P26 2)
-Borrowed from BRM (V8fan12)
Alain Dagan (DB Junior - Panhard) (F2 car)
Bernard Collomb (BRM P25 1 - BRM P26 1)
-Borrowed from BRM (V8fan12)
Alain de Changy (Gordini Type 56 1 - G258/A 1)
-Borrowed from Voeckler (Pinkd)
Pierre Mulsant (DB Junior - Panhard) (F2 car)
Philippe Martel (DB Monomil - Panhard) (F2 car)
Jean-Claude Vidilles (Gordini Type 56 3 - G258/A 2)
-Borrowed from Voeckler (Pinkd)
"Romain" (Gordini Type 56 4 - G258/A 3)
-Borrowed from Voeckler (Pinkd)
Cooper T45 5 - Climax FPV IV 4
The following privateers will attempt to enter the French GP, renting vehicles, if Formula 2 vehicles are allowed. Any cars used will have repair costs taken care of:
Jean Lucienbonnet (BRM P25 2 - BRM P26 2)
-Borrowed from BRM (V8fan12)
Alain Dagan (DB Junior - Panhard) (F2 car)
Bernard Collomb (BRM P25 1 - BRM P26 1)
-Borrowed from BRM (V8fan12)
Alain de Changy (Gordini Type 56 1 - G258/A 1)
-Borrowed from Voeckler (Pinkd)
Pierre Mulsant (DB Junior - Panhard) (F2 car)
Philippe Martel (DB Monomil - Panhard) (F2 car)
Jean-Claude Vidilles (Gordini Type 56 3 - G258/A 2)
-Borrowed from Voeckler (Pinkd)
"Romain" (Gordini Type 56 4 - G258/A 3)
-Borrowed from Voeckler (Pinkd)
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Klon wrote:What did poor André do to you for him to be insulted like that?
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
So i'll construct a F2 Borgward engine of 10K design cost and 2,5K build cost. In co-operation with Fry. Though if others want to put the engine in their F2 car, that is absolutely allowed for a fair price of *to be negotiated*
We'll build 2 Borgward engines, and build a second Fry Chassis. We will loan the second car to a local privateer.
We'll build 2 Borgward engines, and build a second Fry Chassis. We will loan the second car to a local privateer.
I don't know what i want and i want it now!
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Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
(With permission from Nessafox) After his F2 entry was rejected, Alain Dugan makes an 11th hour deal to rent David Fry's ready car for the French GP:
Alain Dugan
Fry F2 2 - Borgward F2 2
Alain Dugan
Fry F2 2 - Borgward F2 2
Klon wrote:What did poor André do to you for him to be insulted like that?
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Lotus has decided to scrap the heavily damaged Lotus 12, chassis 3
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Olivier Gendebien has been loaned out from Team Lotus to Owen Racing Organisation for (at least) the Dutch and Belgian Grands Prix.
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1-85: accepts the Voeckler offer to replace Maurice Trintignant
86-100: prefers to remain a staunch privateer
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Robert la Caze - 42 - MAR
Formula 1
2 entries
0 starts
Sportscars
Winner of the 1951 Tangiers GP (1.6l class)
Winner of the 1952, 1953 and 1955 Agadir GP (1.0l class)
Winner of the 1953 Safi 3 hours
Winner of the 1954 Marrakesh GP (1.5l class and 1.0l class)
3rd at the 1952 12 hours of Casablanca (with Georges de Tudert)
Rallying
8th in the 1954 Rallye du Maroc
1-90: supplements his Lola sportscar outings with an F1 début at Hampshire
91-100: focuses on sportscars for now
90
Peter Ashdown - 24 - GBR
Formula 1
Did not finish the 1959 Aintree 200
Sportscars
Winner of the 1957 Kanonloppet (S2.0 class)
7 wins and 33 podiums in British national sportscar races
Jean Lucienbonnet - 36 - FRA
Formula 1
Nothing
Sportscars
5th in the 1952 12 hours of Hyères (with François Picard)
7th in the 1957 90 minutes of Forez
8th in the 1955 Bol d'Or (with Raymond Stempert, 1st in S750 class)
Bernard Collomb's entry has been turned down due to a lack of four-wheel experience
Alain de Changy - 37 - BEL
Formula 1
1 entry
0 starts
Sportscars
2nd place at the 1958 Angola Grand Prix
4th place in the 1956 Rouen Grand Prix (S1.5 class)
4th place in the 1957 Portuguese Grand Prix
5th place in the 1957 Swedish Grand Prix (with Claude Dubois)
6th place in the 1958 24 Hours of Le Mans (with Jean Beurlys)
Jean-Claude Vidilles - 29 - FRA
Formula 1
Retired from the 1955 Syracuse Grand Prix
Sportscars
Winner of the 1952 Montauban race (S750 class)
Winner of the 1957 Caen race (GT750 class)
Winner of the 1958 3 Hours of Pau (with Hernando da Silva Ramos)
Winner of the 1958 Prix de Paris (GT3.5+S1.0 class)
6th place in the 1956 Tour de France automobile (with Harry Schell)
9th place in the 1956 12 Hours of Reims (with Jean Guichet)
11th place in the 1956 24 Hours of Le Mans (with Jean Thépenier)
16th place in the 1955 Mille Miglia (with Hernando da Silva Ramos)
The entry of "Romain" (who appears to be a pseudonym of Belgian driver Jean Romain) has been turned down due to a lack of experience. However, he is welcome to enter the Belgian Grand Prix.
Alain Dagan - 29 - FRA
Formula 1
Nothing
Formula Junior
Winner of the 1959 Prix de Paris
2nd place in the 1958 Coupe du Salon
8th place in the 1959 Monaco Grand Prix support race
Others
Winner of the 1955 and 1956 Bols d'Or (175cc class)
1956 and 1957 French Side-car champion (with Jean Murit)
86-100: prefers to remain a staunch privateer
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Robert la Caze - 42 - MAR
Formula 1
2 entries
0 starts
Sportscars
Winner of the 1951 Tangiers GP (1.6l class)
Winner of the 1952, 1953 and 1955 Agadir GP (1.0l class)
Winner of the 1953 Safi 3 hours
Winner of the 1954 Marrakesh GP (1.5l class and 1.0l class)
3rd at the 1952 12 hours of Casablanca (with Georges de Tudert)
Rallying
8th in the 1954 Rallye du Maroc
1-90: supplements his Lola sportscar outings with an F1 début at Hampshire
91-100: focuses on sportscars for now
90
Peter Ashdown - 24 - GBR
Formula 1
Did not finish the 1959 Aintree 200
Sportscars
Winner of the 1957 Kanonloppet (S2.0 class)
7 wins and 33 podiums in British national sportscar races
Jean Lucienbonnet - 36 - FRA
Formula 1
Nothing
Sportscars
5th in the 1952 12 hours of Hyères (with François Picard)
7th in the 1957 90 minutes of Forez
8th in the 1955 Bol d'Or (with Raymond Stempert, 1st in S750 class)
Bernard Collomb's entry has been turned down due to a lack of four-wheel experience
Alain de Changy - 37 - BEL
Formula 1
1 entry
0 starts
Sportscars
2nd place at the 1958 Angola Grand Prix
4th place in the 1956 Rouen Grand Prix (S1.5 class)
4th place in the 1957 Portuguese Grand Prix
5th place in the 1957 Swedish Grand Prix (with Claude Dubois)
6th place in the 1958 24 Hours of Le Mans (with Jean Beurlys)
Jean-Claude Vidilles - 29 - FRA
Formula 1
Retired from the 1955 Syracuse Grand Prix
Sportscars
Winner of the 1952 Montauban race (S750 class)
Winner of the 1957 Caen race (GT750 class)
Winner of the 1958 3 Hours of Pau (with Hernando da Silva Ramos)
Winner of the 1958 Prix de Paris (GT3.5+S1.0 class)
6th place in the 1956 Tour de France automobile (with Harry Schell)
9th place in the 1956 12 Hours of Reims (with Jean Guichet)
11th place in the 1956 24 Hours of Le Mans (with Jean Thépenier)
16th place in the 1955 Mille Miglia (with Hernando da Silva Ramos)
The entry of "Romain" (who appears to be a pseudonym of Belgian driver Jean Romain) has been turned down due to a lack of experience. However, he is welcome to enter the Belgian Grand Prix.
Alain Dagan - 29 - FRA
Formula 1
Nothing
Formula Junior
Winner of the 1959 Prix de Paris
2nd place in the 1958 Coupe du Salon
8th place in the 1959 Monaco Grand Prix support race
Others
Winner of the 1955 and 1956 Bols d'Or (175cc class)
1956 and 1957 French Side-car champion (with Jean Murit)
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
It is indeed Borgward engine 1 that Fry will use for its works car.
I don't know what i want and i want it now!
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
May 16th 1959, French Grand Prix qualifying
2. Masten Gregory (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 8
4. Alan Stacey (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 9
6. Lex Davison (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16, chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 10
8. Jim Russell (British Racing Partnership) - Cooper T45 chassis 3, BRM P26 engine 5
10. Honoré Wagner (Honoré Wagner) - Lotus 12 chassis 2, OSCA 1558 engine 11
12. Carel Godin de Beaufort (Ecurie Maarsbergen) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 12, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 3
14. Roy Salvadori (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
16. Bruce McLaren (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 1, Climax FPF V engine 1
18. Peter Collins (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 2, Climax FPF V engine 2
20. Robert la Caze (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 6
22. André Simon (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 5
24. Fernand Tavano (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 7
26. Jack Brabham (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 1
28. John Surtees (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 2
30. Stirling Moss (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 3, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 3
32. Jo Bonnier (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
34. Phil Hill (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
36. Gerino Gerini (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 5
38. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 4
40. Dan Gurney (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
42. Troy Ruttman (Owen Racing Organisation) - Lotus 12 chassis 4, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
44. Mike Parkes (David Fry) - Fry F2 chassis 1, Borgward 1500 RS engine 1
46. Wolfgang von Trips (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 10, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 14
48. Consalvo Sanesi (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1
50. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Officine Secializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 1
52. José Froilán González (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 2
54. Graham Hill (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 3
56. Henry Taylor (Hampshire Racing Alliance) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 2, Vanwall VE2 engine 6
58. Peter Ashdown (Hampshire Racing Alliance) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 16, Vanwall VE2 engine 2
60. Rob Slotemaker (Rob Slotemaker) - Cooper T45 chassis 5, Climax FPV IV engine 4
62. Jean Lucienbonnet (Jean Lucienbonnet) - BRM P25 chassis 2, BRM P26 engine 2
64. Bernard Collomb (Bernard Collomb) - BRM P25 chassis 1, BRM P26 engine 1*
66. Alain de Changy (Alain de Changy) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 1, Gordini G258/A engine 1
68. Jean-Claude Vidilles (Jean-Claude Vidilles) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 3, Gordini G258/A engine 2
70. "Romain" ("Romain") - Gordini Type 56 chassis 4, Gordini G258/A engine 3*
72. Alain Dagan (Alain Dagan) - Fry F2 chassis 2, Borgward 1500 RS engine 2
* Entry denied due to lack of experience
2. Masten Gregory (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 8
4. Alan Stacey (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 9
6. Lex Davison (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16, chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 10
8. Jim Russell (British Racing Partnership) - Cooper T45 chassis 3, BRM P26 engine 5
10. Honoré Wagner (Honoré Wagner) - Lotus 12 chassis 2, OSCA 1558 engine 11
12. Carel Godin de Beaufort (Ecurie Maarsbergen) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 12, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 3
14. Roy Salvadori (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
16. Bruce McLaren (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 1, Climax FPF V engine 1
18. Peter Collins (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 2, Climax FPF V engine 2
20. Robert la Caze (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 6
22. André Simon (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 5
24. Fernand Tavano (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 7
26. Jack Brabham (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 1
28. John Surtees (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 2
30. Stirling Moss (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 3, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 3
32. Jo Bonnier (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
34. Phil Hill (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
36. Gerino Gerini (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 5
38. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 4
40. Dan Gurney (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
42. Troy Ruttman (Owen Racing Organisation) - Lotus 12 chassis 4, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
44. Mike Parkes (David Fry) - Fry F2 chassis 1, Borgward 1500 RS engine 1
46. Wolfgang von Trips (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 10, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 14
48. Consalvo Sanesi (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1
50. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Officine Secializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 1
52. José Froilán González (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 2
54. Graham Hill (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 3
56. Henry Taylor (Hampshire Racing Alliance) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 2, Vanwall VE2 engine 6
58. Peter Ashdown (Hampshire Racing Alliance) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 16, Vanwall VE2 engine 2
60. Rob Slotemaker (Rob Slotemaker) - Cooper T45 chassis 5, Climax FPV IV engine 4
62. Jean Lucienbonnet (Jean Lucienbonnet) - BRM P25 chassis 2, BRM P26 engine 2
64. Bernard Collomb (Bernard Collomb) - BRM P25 chassis 1, BRM P26 engine 1*
66. Alain de Changy (Alain de Changy) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 1, Gordini G258/A engine 1
68. Jean-Claude Vidilles (Jean-Claude Vidilles) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 3, Gordini G258/A engine 2
70. "Romain" ("Romain") - Gordini Type 56 chassis 4, Gordini G258/A engine 3*
72. Alain Dagan (Alain Dagan) - Fry F2 chassis 2, Borgward 1500 RS engine 2
* Entry denied due to lack of experience
- Following an ignominious DNQ in Monaco, Olivier Gendebien has been dropped from the Lotus roster and traded with Owen for Alan Stacey while Davison and Gregory stay on.
- British Racing Partnership have repaired the Cooper-BRM and Jim Russell's Monaco injury proved light enough to be cleared to race a week later.
- Honoré Wagner was slowest in qualifying in Monaco, but is guaranteed to make this grid, especially with the F2 machinery present.
- Rob Slotemaker also failed to qualify the 1956 O.S.C.A., prompting Maarsbergen team boss de Beaufort to take over himself in France. Slotemaker will instead enter a rented Cooper-Climax in Montlhéry.
- Salvadori's race ended before his strategy could come to fruition, but with a smaller field at the front than in 1958, he and Vanwall could profit from unreliability.
- Caught in the midfield scrap, Collins and McLaren could only muster a 6-7 finish for Cooper. Will a faster track suit them better?
- Maurice Trintignant wasn't as lucky as Russell in their accident, where he broke his arm and got ruled out for the rest of the year. Voeckler reacted by snapping up Robert la Caze, a French emigré in Morocco who entered a couple of races last season.
- The new B.C.M.A. P.1101 is evidently as high-born as its predecessors, threatening a 1-2-3 on début. They'll keep being a credible threat all season, and let's not forget they won this race in 1957 and 1958, with 1956 being won by Brabham as well.
- Last year's Ferrari is only barely showing signs of age, but the line-up is evidently limited. Gerini stuck it out for his first points with fourth, but they need a more proper kick-start to their season here.
- Dan Gurney surprised by outqualifying Walker teammate Lewis-Evans last time, and was close to the finish. It'll be hard to emulate González's heroics this year, but there's some good results for the taking without a doubt.
- With Stacey Lotus-bound, Alfred Owen preferred to revert to a single-car entry in France for Troy Ruttman.
- After much discussion in Motor Sport and Autosport magazines, David Fry's F2 car finally arrives on the F1 stage, powered by a Borgward engine and driven by Mike Parkes. They've also loaned a second car to French bike racer-turned-Formula Junior man Alain Dagan, who won here last month.
- Scuderia Centro Sud can hardly do worse than their dismal double-DNQ in Monaco here. Sanesi is an old man now, but von Trips can do better.
- O.S.C.A.'s race was ended 15 laps into Monaco, but they remain in an equal lead in all championships. They need to hope that batch of unreliability was an exception rather than the rule.
- David Hampshire was too blindsided by Mike Taylor's snub before Monaco to get a second driver, but after intense negotiations, the 1956 O.S.C.A. will now be driven by rookie sportscar ace Peter Ashdown.
- The usual retinue of local chancers has not disappointed. Aside from Dagan in the Fry-Borgward, we have local sportscar journeyman Jean Lucienbonnet in a 1956 car dug out of BRM's shed, while Voeckler made their back catalogue available to Alain de Changy and Jean-Claude Vidilles.
- Bernard Collomb and Jean Romain also both entered the race in a BRM and Gordini respectively, but their entries were ultimately turned down due to lack of experience.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Qualifying performance (after a wait due to moving house):
Gregory: 82-110
Stacey: 93-110
Davison: 92-111
Russell: 88-108
Wagner: 90-107
de Beaufort: 85-114
Salvadori: 81-116
McLaren: 90-108
Collins: 88-112
la Caze: 94-125
Simon: 90-113
Tavano: 88-110
Brabham: 90-119
Surtees: 89-109
Moss: 91-108
Bonnier: 87-113
P. Hill: 92-107
Gerini: 88-109
Lewis-Evans: 87-111
Gurney: 98-115
Ruttman: 86-108
Parkes: 76-120
von Trips: 90-111
Sanesi: 87-109
Ramos: 84-112
González: 78-109
G. Hill: 95-109
H. Taylor: 89-110
Ashdown: 86-115
Slotemaker: 87-114
Lucienbonnet: 90-114
de Changy: 91-111
Vidilles: 94-108
Dagan: 87-117
Gregory: 82-110
Stacey: 93-110
Davison: 92-111
Russell: 88-108
Wagner: 90-107
de Beaufort: 85-114
Salvadori: 81-116
McLaren: 90-108
Collins: 88-112
la Caze: 94-125
Simon: 90-113
Tavano: 88-110
Brabham: 90-119
Surtees: 89-109
Moss: 91-108
Bonnier: 87-113
P. Hill: 92-107
Gerini: 88-109
Lewis-Evans: 87-111
Gurney: 98-115
Ruttman: 86-108
Parkes: 76-120
von Trips: 90-111
Sanesi: 87-109
Ramos: 84-112
González: 78-109
G. Hill: 95-109
H. Taylor: 89-110
Ashdown: 86-115
Slotemaker: 87-114
Lucienbonnet: 90-114
de Changy: 91-111
Vidilles: 94-108
Dagan: 87-117
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Qualifying results
1. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - 4:54.36
2. Alan Stacey (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 4:59.16 (+4.80)
3. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) - 4:59.46 (+5.10)
4. Jo Bonnier (Ferrari) - 5:00.72 (+6.36)
5. André Simon (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) - 5:02.52 (+8.16)
6. Masten Gregory (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 5:02.64 (+8.28)
7. José Froilán González (O.S.C.A.) - 5:03.48 (+9.12)
8. Phil Hill (Ferrari) - 5:05.94 (+11.58)
9. Lex Davison (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 5:06.78 (+12.42)
10. Peter Collins (Cooper-Climax) - 5:06.96 (+12.60)
11. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 5:07.14 (+12.78)
12. Robert la Caze (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) - 5:07.26 (+12.90)
13. Dan Gurney (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 5:07.26 (+12.90)
14. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) - 5:07.62 (+13.26)
15. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) - 5:08.52 (+14.16)
16. Fernand Tavano (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) - 5:09.00 (+14.64)
17. Bruce McLaren (Cooper-Climax) - 5:09.30 (+14.94)
18. Graham Hill (O.S.C.A.) - 5:09.42 (+15.06)
19. Gerino Gerini (Ferrari) - 5:11.70 (+17.34)
20. Henry Taylor (Vanwall) - 5:12.30 (+17.94)
21. Wolfgang von Trips (O.S.C.A.) - 5:14.16 (+19.80)
22. Troy Ruttman (Lotus-B.C.M.A.) - 5:15.18 (+20.82)
23. Jim Russell (Cooper-BRM) - 5:15.30 (+20.94)
24. Roy Salvadori (Vanwall) - 5:19.74 (+25.38)
25. Consalvo Sanesi (O.S.C.A.) - 5:21.18 (+26.82)
26. Peter Ashdown (O.S.C.A.-Vanwall) - 5:23.40 (+29.04)
27. Carel Godin de Beaufort (O.S.C.A.) - 5:23.64 (+29.28)
28. Honoré Wagner (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 5:32.04 (+37.68)
29. Rob Slotemaker (Cooper-Climax) - 5:39.54 (+45.18)
30. Alain de Changy (Gordini) - 5:41.88 (+47.52)
31. Jean-Claude Vidilles (Gordini) - 5:45.06 (+50.70)
32. Jean Lucienbonnet (BRM) - 6:00.78 (+1:06.42)
33. Alain Dagan (Fry-Borgward) - 6:00.78 (+1:06.42)
34. Mike Parkes (Fry-Borgward) - 6:01.32 (+1:06.96)
Despite a change in fuel regulations bunching up the regular pack, Jack Brabham unlocks the pace that made him a three-time world champion and secures his thirteenth pole position in commanding fashion. Moss joins him on the front row, but Surtees is a direct victim of the closer packing and will only start fourteenth. Conversely, Lotus have seen a huge boost, with Alan Stacey lining up second in his first race at a works team and his teammates also reaching the top ten. Ferrari's Bonnier and Hill are also in the top ten with Gerini well behind, and a similar gap separates Collins in tenth from McLaren in seventeenth.
However, the worst-affected team here was easily O.S.C.A., whose struggles with the change in regs left them confined to the garage for most of the session and only allowed them a 7-15-18 result. Voeckler's line-up was threatened by Trintignant's absence, but Simon's P5 was ably supported by a very impressive performance from stand-in Robert la Caze, who will be sandwiched by the Rob Walker Lotuses of Gurney and Lewis-Evans.
The presence of all the front running teams in force has relegated some teams to the tail end of the pack, but Henry Taylor's performance to get within a second of the works Ferrari is to be commended. Ashdown is understandably further back on début, with de Beaufort not far behind. Slotemaker won the one-off privateer stakes in the Cooper-Climax, largely by virtue of having the newest car. David Fry can at least be glad to be level with the old BRM.
1. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - 4:54.36
2. Alan Stacey (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 4:59.16 (+4.80)
3. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) - 4:59.46 (+5.10)
4. Jo Bonnier (Ferrari) - 5:00.72 (+6.36)
5. André Simon (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) - 5:02.52 (+8.16)
6. Masten Gregory (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 5:02.64 (+8.28)
7. José Froilán González (O.S.C.A.) - 5:03.48 (+9.12)
8. Phil Hill (Ferrari) - 5:05.94 (+11.58)
9. Lex Davison (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 5:06.78 (+12.42)
10. Peter Collins (Cooper-Climax) - 5:06.96 (+12.60)
11. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 5:07.14 (+12.78)
12. Robert la Caze (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) - 5:07.26 (+12.90)
13. Dan Gurney (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 5:07.26 (+12.90)
14. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) - 5:07.62 (+13.26)
15. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) - 5:08.52 (+14.16)
16. Fernand Tavano (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) - 5:09.00 (+14.64)
17. Bruce McLaren (Cooper-Climax) - 5:09.30 (+14.94)
18. Graham Hill (O.S.C.A.) - 5:09.42 (+15.06)
19. Gerino Gerini (Ferrari) - 5:11.70 (+17.34)
20. Henry Taylor (Vanwall) - 5:12.30 (+17.94)
21. Wolfgang von Trips (O.S.C.A.) - 5:14.16 (+19.80)
22. Troy Ruttman (Lotus-B.C.M.A.) - 5:15.18 (+20.82)
23. Jim Russell (Cooper-BRM) - 5:15.30 (+20.94)
24. Roy Salvadori (Vanwall) - 5:19.74 (+25.38)
25. Consalvo Sanesi (O.S.C.A.) - 5:21.18 (+26.82)
26. Peter Ashdown (O.S.C.A.-Vanwall) - 5:23.40 (+29.04)
27. Carel Godin de Beaufort (O.S.C.A.) - 5:23.64 (+29.28)
28. Honoré Wagner (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 5:32.04 (+37.68)
29. Rob Slotemaker (Cooper-Climax) - 5:39.54 (+45.18)
30. Alain de Changy (Gordini) - 5:41.88 (+47.52)
31. Jean-Claude Vidilles (Gordini) - 5:45.06 (+50.70)
32. Jean Lucienbonnet (BRM) - 6:00.78 (+1:06.42)
33. Alain Dagan (Fry-Borgward) - 6:00.78 (+1:06.42)
34. Mike Parkes (Fry-Borgward) - 6:01.32 (+1:06.96)
Despite a change in fuel regulations bunching up the regular pack, Jack Brabham unlocks the pace that made him a three-time world champion and secures his thirteenth pole position in commanding fashion. Moss joins him on the front row, but Surtees is a direct victim of the closer packing and will only start fourteenth. Conversely, Lotus have seen a huge boost, with Alan Stacey lining up second in his first race at a works team and his teammates also reaching the top ten. Ferrari's Bonnier and Hill are also in the top ten with Gerini well behind, and a similar gap separates Collins in tenth from McLaren in seventeenth.
However, the worst-affected team here was easily O.S.C.A., whose struggles with the change in regs left them confined to the garage for most of the session and only allowed them a 7-15-18 result. Voeckler's line-up was threatened by Trintignant's absence, but Simon's P5 was ably supported by a very impressive performance from stand-in Robert la Caze, who will be sandwiched by the Rob Walker Lotuses of Gurney and Lewis-Evans.
The presence of all the front running teams in force has relegated some teams to the tail end of the pack, but Henry Taylor's performance to get within a second of the works Ferrari is to be commended. Ashdown is understandably further back on début, with de Beaufort not far behind. Slotemaker won the one-off privateer stakes in the Cooper-Climax, largely by virtue of having the newest car. David Fry can at least be glad to be level with the old BRM.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Race performance:
Lucienbonnet: 30
de Beaufort: 26
Slotemaker: 20
Bonnier: 16
de Changy: 15
Gerini: 10
Russell: 7
Ashdown: 4
Moss: 3
P. Hill: 2
Parkes: 2
G. Hill: 2
Tavano: 0
Sanesi: 0
Stacey: -1
Brabham: -3
González: -3
McLaren: -3
Simon: -4
Ramos: -4
von Trips: -5
Collins: -7
Wagner: -7
Surtees: -8
Taylor: -9
Dagan: -9
Gregory: -11
La Caze: -11
Gurney: -11
Lewis-Evans: -12
Ruttman: -15
Salvadori: -15
Davison: -16
Vidilles: -22
Lucienbonnet: 30
de Beaufort: 26
Slotemaker: 20
Bonnier: 16
de Changy: 15
Gerini: 10
Russell: 7
Ashdown: 4
Moss: 3
P. Hill: 2
Parkes: 2
G. Hill: 2
Tavano: 0
Sanesi: 0
Stacey: -1
Brabham: -3
González: -3
McLaren: -3
Simon: -4
Ramos: -4
von Trips: -5
Collins: -7
Wagner: -7
Surtees: -8
Taylor: -9
Dagan: -9
Gregory: -11
La Caze: -11
Gurney: -11
Lewis-Evans: -12
Ruttman: -15
Salvadori: -15
Davison: -16
Vidilles: -22
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
May 17th, French Grand Prix
Collins, Salvadori and Ramos got the best starts, each gaining a good half-dozen spots as they wound their way through the forest on the outskirts of Paris. The start itself was reasonably clean, but chaos began a few corners in. Henry Taylor's Vanwall developed an oil leak, leaving behind a slick that caught out Gerino Gerini. The Italian's spin - although fatal to his race - was fairly benign, but Carel Godin de Beaufort was caught out by it and swerved to avoid the Ferrari, putting him directly in the path of Jean-Claude Vidilles. Vidilles was a bit shaken, but all drivers involved walked away from the scene.
By the end of the lap, there was a clear leader: Alan Stacey. The Brit had gotten the better of the B.C.M.A. duo that sandwiched him on the grid, and he set to work eking out an advantage in the works Lotus. Moss was second, followed by a feisty Jo Bonnier in the Ferrari, pole-sitter Brabham and Peter Collins. Bonnier was taking early action though and had reached second place by the end of the next tour. Masten Gregory was also showing pace, reach a points position at this stage, and Roy Salvadori was knocking on the doors of the top ten despite starting outside the top twenty. Collins' early heroics sadly couldn't continue for long, as he pitted reporting strange suspension behaviour. This was soon confirmed, and teammate Bruce McLaren was also called into the pits as a precaution. Neither came back out, and neither did Mike Parkes when his Fry's gearbox ceased to be alive. This would have helped Hernando da Silva Ramos' rise through the order, but instead he tripped over Fernand Tavano's Voeckler and finished his day in the nearest earth bank.
The early bloodbath did not end there, as word soon filtered through to the paddock that Stirling Moss' electrics had failed too far from the pits to reach home. This left Stacey to lead from Bonnier, Brabham, González, Gregory, Simon, Lewis-Evans, Phil Hill, Salvadori and Davison. This order only lasted one corner, as González and Brabham soon competed over the same bit of banking and ended up with interlocked wheels at the bottom of the incline. That kicked the battle for third wide open: Gregory, Simon, Lewis-Evans, Phil Hill and Salvadori were all involved, and few noticed Alain Dagan's retirement with a broken diff.
By lap 6, Stacey's lead was significant, but Bonnier was beginning to reel him in. Lewis-Evans had dropped back from the fight over third, leaving Simon, Hill, Salvadori and Gregory to trade positions constantly along with Graham Hill, who had been slowly picking his way through the pack. Further down the field, Sanesi and von Trips were trading blows over P14 for Centro Sud, but while lots of people were curious to see how Troy Ruttman's fast-finish strategy would pan out, they'd sadly be disappointed as he was forced to stop with an engine failure after spending much of his afternoon in a good tussle with Peter Ashdown. Noting the number of stopped cars, Jim Russell attempted to make up some ground, but proved a bit too impatient trying to pass Consalvo Sanesi into a slow corner and tagged him. Sanesi gets some brief air time, and both lost a wheel in the process. By the end of the tenth lap, only 21 drivers remained, with Stacey's lead now held stable but with Bonnier, Phil Hill and André Simon all equally speedy.
The race settled down for a while. Jean Lucienbonnet added his name to the retirements list with a puncture out of last place, presumably picked up from suspension bits created by the Sanesi/Russell accident a few laps earlier. Salvadori had lost a lot of ground to the cars ahead and was now leading a train of cars fighting for sixth, including Lewis-Evans, Tavano and Surtees, who had been stuck behind the Frenchman for almost the entire race.
Only a few laps later, Bonnier re-enlivened the race by making a mistake, a little spin in the tricky braking for Gendarme, nothing too serious, but it allowed Simon to catch right back up as Stacey eked out a slightly bigger gap. A couple of corners later, Simon swept past into second place, but Bonnier was not content with this. After some heavy application of pressure, he forced Simon into making his own mistake, falling back into the clutches of Phil Hill.
The long accelerations of this track were beginning to take their toll on these cars. De Changy's Gordini blew a tyre, shortly followed by Dan Gurney, in the middle of a fantastic fight for eleventh with Wolfgang von Trips, experiencing a gearbox failure. Von Trips was clearly also pushing hard in that fight, as he joined Gurney on the sidelines shortly thereafter with an overheating engine. It wasn't just the cars, either. In his first Grand Prix start, Robert la Caze had been a general nuisance all race despite his heroic qualifying performance, and it took over half the race for Lex Davison in the third Lotus to finally get past the Moroccan.
Suddenly, with ten laps remaining, the race was turned on its head. At Biscornes, Alan Stacey made a completely unforced error and spun out of the race. This left the coast clear for the quicker-than-ever Jo Bonnier to take a comfortable lead over the fight between Simon and Phil Hill. Stacey could only spend the rest of the race pensively watching the cars go by and rue a missed opportunity. Colin Chapman at least had some further encouragement, as Masten Gregory had caught and passed Graham Hill for what was now fourth place.
Bonnier by now was driving off into the distance, continuing to put in a stellar drive. André Simon, feeling the opportunity for a long-awaited second win - or at least another podium - tried to keep up, but eventually pushed that little bit too hard and missed a gearshift. The banking would smell of burnt clutch for the rest of the day, and the lead Voeckler was suddenly out of the picture entirely. With 8 laps remaining, it was now a Ferrari 1-2, Bonnier enjoying an increasingly safe lead over Phil Hill. Masten Gregory was now third, but with Graham Hill's O.S.C.A. breathing down his neck. Stewart Lewis-Evans was fifth for Rob Walker, with Fernand Tavano sixth in the second Voeckler, though he had the sole remaining B.C.M.A. of John Surtees right behind him. Roy Salvadori was now running out of steam in eighth, with Davison and la Caze slowly reeling him in. Peter Ashdown had been struggling to escape the stragglers but had kept it on the island, with Honoré Wagner and a highly creditable Rob Slotemaker rounding out the field.
Graham Hill passed Gregory a couple of laps later, taking third, with Lewis-Evans now right in the mix again. Shortly thereafter, John Surtees caught up to the group a short distance behind, which got easier almost immediately. Masten Gregory’s Lotus heartbreakingly began spewing blue smoke from its gearbox with just five laps remaining in the race, leaving the fight for third place wide open. This left the unfortunate Lex Davison as the only works Lotus on track, by now too far behind to realistically challenge for a point.
Surtees passed Tavano at this point and was now up into fifth place behind Bonnier, both Hills and Lewis-Evans. Surtees made short work of Lewis-Evans on the next lap to reach fourth, but the gap to Graham Hill was more substantial. Further back, the race claimed another victim, this time Robert la Caze who appeared to have simply run out of fuel out of seventh place. Davison passed the nearly-out-of-juice Salvadori easily for that seventh place, but would need a miracle to snatch a point. Instead, the only potential retirement would be behind him, Honoré Wagner's brakes beginning to wear out.
Surtees was now very threatening behind Graham Hill, but Hill's defensive driving had allowed Lewis-Evans back into the conversation, with two laps remaining. However, Bonnier had just lapped this group, enabling Surtees to time his move perfectly.
An unlikely team leader going into this season for Ferrari after Collins' departure to Cooper and Marimón's retirement, Jo Bonnier pulled out a very convincing win in a year-old car, leading home a Ferrari 1-2 with Phil Hill second. In a close battle, it's John Surtees who came out on top for third place, Graham Hill was a short way behind in fourth, with Stuart Lewis-Evans in his shadow for fifth place with more pace in hand. The final point - after a bruising and eventful race - went to Fernand Tavano in the Voeckler. Lex Davison was seventh, and Roy Salvadori would have retired on the following lap, but having already been lapped twice, he took eighth place in the Vanwall and promptly ran out of fuel shortly thereafter. Peter Ashdown rallied the finish line after a very tentative début for ninth. Honoré Wagner just about reached the finish in tenth, with Rob Slotemaker finishing eleventh and last, three laps down.
The championship is once again wide open, as none of the race’s top six had scored so far this season. In the constructors' stakes, B.C.M.A. take a single-point lead over O.S.C.A. and Ferrari.
1. Jo Bonnier (Ferrari) 2:27:29.93
2. Phil Hill (Ferrari) +3:51.87
3. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) +1 lap
4. Graham Hill (O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
5. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
6. Fernand Tavano (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
7. Lex Davison (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
8. Roy Salvadori (Vanwall) +2 laps
9. Peter Ashdown (O.S.C.A.-Vanwall) +2 laps
10. Honoré Wagner (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +3 laps
11. Rob Slotemaker (Cooper-Climax) +3 laps
Ret. Robert la Caze (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) +4 laps/Out of fuel
Ret. Masten Gregory (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +5 laps/Gearbox
Ret. André Simon (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) +9 laps/Clutch
Ret. Alan Stacey (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +11 laps/Spin
Ret. Wolfgang von Trips (O.S.C.A.) +12 laps/Overheating
Ret. Dan Gurney (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +13 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Alain de Changy (Gordini) +13 laps/Puncture
Ret. Jean Lucienbonnet (BRM) +15 laps/Puncture
Ret. Consalvo Sanesi (O.S.C.A.) +20 laps/Collision
Ret. Jim Russell (Cooper-BRM) +20 laps/Collision
Ret. Troy Ruttman (Lotus-B.C.M.A.) +21 laps/Engine
Ret. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) +25 laps/Collision
Ret. José Froilán González (O.S.C.A.) +25 laps/Collision
Ret. Alain Dagan (Fry-Borgward) +25 laps/Differential
Ret. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) +26 laps/Electrics
Ret. Peter Collins (Cooper-Climax) +27 laps/Suspension
Ret. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) +27 laps/Accident
Ret. Bruce McLaren (Cooper-Climax) +27 laps/Suspension
Ret. Mike Parkes (Fry-Borgward) +28 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Gerino Gerini (Ferrari) +29 laps/Spin
Ret. Henry Taylor (Vanwall) +29 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Carel Godin de Beaufort (O.S.C.A.) + 29 laps/Collision
Ret. Jean-Claude Vidilles (Gordini) + 29 laps/Collision
Fastest lap: Jo Bonnier (Ferrari) - 4:56.74
Lap chart
Championship standings
Drivers
1. José Froilán González - 9 (1 win, 2 Rets)
2. Jack Brabham - 9 (1 win, 1 Ret)
=. Jo Bonnier - 9 (1 win, 1 Ret)
4. André Simon - 6 (1 2nd, 2 Rets)
5. Wolfgang von Trips - 6 (1 2nd, 1 Ret, 1 DNQ)
6. Phil Hill - 6 (1 2nd, 1 Ret)
7. Stirling Moss - 4 (1 3rd, 1 Ret)
=. John Surtees - 4 (1 3rd, 1 Ret)
9. Gerino Gerini - 3 (1 4th, 1 Ret)
=. Graham Hill - 3 (1 4th, 1 Ret)
11. Masten Gregory - 2 (1 5th, 2 Rets)
12. Stuart Lewis-Evans - 2 (1 5th, 1 Ret, 1 DNQ)
13. Fernand Tavano - 1 (1 6th, 2 Rets)
14. Peter Collins - 1 (1 6th, 1 Ret)
Constructors
1. B.C.M.A. - 13
2. O.S.C.A. - 12 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 4th, 10 Rets)
3. Ferrari - 12 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 4th, 3 Rets)
4. Voeckler-O.S.C.A. - 7
5. Lotus-O.S.C.A. - 4
6. Cooper-Climax - 1
Entrants
1. British Commonwealth Motorsport Association - 13
2. Scuderia Ferrari - 12 (1 win, 1 2nd)
3. Officine Secializzate Costruzione Automobili - 12 (1 win, 1 4th)
4. Écurie Voeckler - 7
5. Scuderia Centro Sud - 6
6. Team Lotus - 2 (1 5th, 1 7th)
7. Rob Walker Racing - 2 (1 5th, 1 8th)
8. Cooper Car Company - 1
Prize money to come in due course.
Collins, Salvadori and Ramos got the best starts, each gaining a good half-dozen spots as they wound their way through the forest on the outskirts of Paris. The start itself was reasonably clean, but chaos began a few corners in. Henry Taylor's Vanwall developed an oil leak, leaving behind a slick that caught out Gerino Gerini. The Italian's spin - although fatal to his race - was fairly benign, but Carel Godin de Beaufort was caught out by it and swerved to avoid the Ferrari, putting him directly in the path of Jean-Claude Vidilles. Vidilles was a bit shaken, but all drivers involved walked away from the scene.
By the end of the lap, there was a clear leader: Alan Stacey. The Brit had gotten the better of the B.C.M.A. duo that sandwiched him on the grid, and he set to work eking out an advantage in the works Lotus. Moss was second, followed by a feisty Jo Bonnier in the Ferrari, pole-sitter Brabham and Peter Collins. Bonnier was taking early action though and had reached second place by the end of the next tour. Masten Gregory was also showing pace, reach a points position at this stage, and Roy Salvadori was knocking on the doors of the top ten despite starting outside the top twenty. Collins' early heroics sadly couldn't continue for long, as he pitted reporting strange suspension behaviour. This was soon confirmed, and teammate Bruce McLaren was also called into the pits as a precaution. Neither came back out, and neither did Mike Parkes when his Fry's gearbox ceased to be alive. This would have helped Hernando da Silva Ramos' rise through the order, but instead he tripped over Fernand Tavano's Voeckler and finished his day in the nearest earth bank.
The early bloodbath did not end there, as word soon filtered through to the paddock that Stirling Moss' electrics had failed too far from the pits to reach home. This left Stacey to lead from Bonnier, Brabham, González, Gregory, Simon, Lewis-Evans, Phil Hill, Salvadori and Davison. This order only lasted one corner, as González and Brabham soon competed over the same bit of banking and ended up with interlocked wheels at the bottom of the incline. That kicked the battle for third wide open: Gregory, Simon, Lewis-Evans, Phil Hill and Salvadori were all involved, and few noticed Alain Dagan's retirement with a broken diff.
By lap 6, Stacey's lead was significant, but Bonnier was beginning to reel him in. Lewis-Evans had dropped back from the fight over third, leaving Simon, Hill, Salvadori and Gregory to trade positions constantly along with Graham Hill, who had been slowly picking his way through the pack. Further down the field, Sanesi and von Trips were trading blows over P14 for Centro Sud, but while lots of people were curious to see how Troy Ruttman's fast-finish strategy would pan out, they'd sadly be disappointed as he was forced to stop with an engine failure after spending much of his afternoon in a good tussle with Peter Ashdown. Noting the number of stopped cars, Jim Russell attempted to make up some ground, but proved a bit too impatient trying to pass Consalvo Sanesi into a slow corner and tagged him. Sanesi gets some brief air time, and both lost a wheel in the process. By the end of the tenth lap, only 21 drivers remained, with Stacey's lead now held stable but with Bonnier, Phil Hill and André Simon all equally speedy.
The race settled down for a while. Jean Lucienbonnet added his name to the retirements list with a puncture out of last place, presumably picked up from suspension bits created by the Sanesi/Russell accident a few laps earlier. Salvadori had lost a lot of ground to the cars ahead and was now leading a train of cars fighting for sixth, including Lewis-Evans, Tavano and Surtees, who had been stuck behind the Frenchman for almost the entire race.
Only a few laps later, Bonnier re-enlivened the race by making a mistake, a little spin in the tricky braking for Gendarme, nothing too serious, but it allowed Simon to catch right back up as Stacey eked out a slightly bigger gap. A couple of corners later, Simon swept past into second place, but Bonnier was not content with this. After some heavy application of pressure, he forced Simon into making his own mistake, falling back into the clutches of Phil Hill.
The long accelerations of this track were beginning to take their toll on these cars. De Changy's Gordini blew a tyre, shortly followed by Dan Gurney, in the middle of a fantastic fight for eleventh with Wolfgang von Trips, experiencing a gearbox failure. Von Trips was clearly also pushing hard in that fight, as he joined Gurney on the sidelines shortly thereafter with an overheating engine. It wasn't just the cars, either. In his first Grand Prix start, Robert la Caze had been a general nuisance all race despite his heroic qualifying performance, and it took over half the race for Lex Davison in the third Lotus to finally get past the Moroccan.
Suddenly, with ten laps remaining, the race was turned on its head. At Biscornes, Alan Stacey made a completely unforced error and spun out of the race. This left the coast clear for the quicker-than-ever Jo Bonnier to take a comfortable lead over the fight between Simon and Phil Hill. Stacey could only spend the rest of the race pensively watching the cars go by and rue a missed opportunity. Colin Chapman at least had some further encouragement, as Masten Gregory had caught and passed Graham Hill for what was now fourth place.
Bonnier by now was driving off into the distance, continuing to put in a stellar drive. André Simon, feeling the opportunity for a long-awaited second win - or at least another podium - tried to keep up, but eventually pushed that little bit too hard and missed a gearshift. The banking would smell of burnt clutch for the rest of the day, and the lead Voeckler was suddenly out of the picture entirely. With 8 laps remaining, it was now a Ferrari 1-2, Bonnier enjoying an increasingly safe lead over Phil Hill. Masten Gregory was now third, but with Graham Hill's O.S.C.A. breathing down his neck. Stewart Lewis-Evans was fifth for Rob Walker, with Fernand Tavano sixth in the second Voeckler, though he had the sole remaining B.C.M.A. of John Surtees right behind him. Roy Salvadori was now running out of steam in eighth, with Davison and la Caze slowly reeling him in. Peter Ashdown had been struggling to escape the stragglers but had kept it on the island, with Honoré Wagner and a highly creditable Rob Slotemaker rounding out the field.
Graham Hill passed Gregory a couple of laps later, taking third, with Lewis-Evans now right in the mix again. Shortly thereafter, John Surtees caught up to the group a short distance behind, which got easier almost immediately. Masten Gregory’s Lotus heartbreakingly began spewing blue smoke from its gearbox with just five laps remaining in the race, leaving the fight for third place wide open. This left the unfortunate Lex Davison as the only works Lotus on track, by now too far behind to realistically challenge for a point.
Surtees passed Tavano at this point and was now up into fifth place behind Bonnier, both Hills and Lewis-Evans. Surtees made short work of Lewis-Evans on the next lap to reach fourth, but the gap to Graham Hill was more substantial. Further back, the race claimed another victim, this time Robert la Caze who appeared to have simply run out of fuel out of seventh place. Davison passed the nearly-out-of-juice Salvadori easily for that seventh place, but would need a miracle to snatch a point. Instead, the only potential retirement would be behind him, Honoré Wagner's brakes beginning to wear out.
Surtees was now very threatening behind Graham Hill, but Hill's defensive driving had allowed Lewis-Evans back into the conversation, with two laps remaining. However, Bonnier had just lapped this group, enabling Surtees to time his move perfectly.
An unlikely team leader going into this season for Ferrari after Collins' departure to Cooper and Marimón's retirement, Jo Bonnier pulled out a very convincing win in a year-old car, leading home a Ferrari 1-2 with Phil Hill second. In a close battle, it's John Surtees who came out on top for third place, Graham Hill was a short way behind in fourth, with Stuart Lewis-Evans in his shadow for fifth place with more pace in hand. The final point - after a bruising and eventful race - went to Fernand Tavano in the Voeckler. Lex Davison was seventh, and Roy Salvadori would have retired on the following lap, but having already been lapped twice, he took eighth place in the Vanwall and promptly ran out of fuel shortly thereafter. Peter Ashdown rallied the finish line after a very tentative début for ninth. Honoré Wagner just about reached the finish in tenth, with Rob Slotemaker finishing eleventh and last, three laps down.
The championship is once again wide open, as none of the race’s top six had scored so far this season. In the constructors' stakes, B.C.M.A. take a single-point lead over O.S.C.A. and Ferrari.
1. Jo Bonnier (Ferrari) 2:27:29.93
2. Phil Hill (Ferrari) +3:51.87
3. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) +1 lap
4. Graham Hill (O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
5. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
6. Fernand Tavano (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
7. Lex Davison (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
8. Roy Salvadori (Vanwall) +2 laps
9. Peter Ashdown (O.S.C.A.-Vanwall) +2 laps
10. Honoré Wagner (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +3 laps
11. Rob Slotemaker (Cooper-Climax) +3 laps
Ret. Robert la Caze (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) +4 laps/Out of fuel
Ret. Masten Gregory (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +5 laps/Gearbox
Ret. André Simon (Voeckler-O.S.C.A.) +9 laps/Clutch
Ret. Alan Stacey (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +11 laps/Spin
Ret. Wolfgang von Trips (O.S.C.A.) +12 laps/Overheating
Ret. Dan Gurney (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +13 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Alain de Changy (Gordini) +13 laps/Puncture
Ret. Jean Lucienbonnet (BRM) +15 laps/Puncture
Ret. Consalvo Sanesi (O.S.C.A.) +20 laps/Collision
Ret. Jim Russell (Cooper-BRM) +20 laps/Collision
Ret. Troy Ruttman (Lotus-B.C.M.A.) +21 laps/Engine
Ret. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) +25 laps/Collision
Ret. José Froilán González (O.S.C.A.) +25 laps/Collision
Ret. Alain Dagan (Fry-Borgward) +25 laps/Differential
Ret. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) +26 laps/Electrics
Ret. Peter Collins (Cooper-Climax) +27 laps/Suspension
Ret. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) +27 laps/Accident
Ret. Bruce McLaren (Cooper-Climax) +27 laps/Suspension
Ret. Mike Parkes (Fry-Borgward) +28 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Gerino Gerini (Ferrari) +29 laps/Spin
Ret. Henry Taylor (Vanwall) +29 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Carel Godin de Beaufort (O.S.C.A.) + 29 laps/Collision
Ret. Jean-Claude Vidilles (Gordini) + 29 laps/Collision
Fastest lap: Jo Bonnier (Ferrari) - 4:56.74
Lap chart
Championship standings
Drivers
1. José Froilán González - 9 (1 win, 2 Rets)
2. Jack Brabham - 9 (1 win, 1 Ret)
=. Jo Bonnier - 9 (1 win, 1 Ret)
4. André Simon - 6 (1 2nd, 2 Rets)
5. Wolfgang von Trips - 6 (1 2nd, 1 Ret, 1 DNQ)
6. Phil Hill - 6 (1 2nd, 1 Ret)
7. Stirling Moss - 4 (1 3rd, 1 Ret)
=. John Surtees - 4 (1 3rd, 1 Ret)
9. Gerino Gerini - 3 (1 4th, 1 Ret)
=. Graham Hill - 3 (1 4th, 1 Ret)
11. Masten Gregory - 2 (1 5th, 2 Rets)
12. Stuart Lewis-Evans - 2 (1 5th, 1 Ret, 1 DNQ)
13. Fernand Tavano - 1 (1 6th, 2 Rets)
14. Peter Collins - 1 (1 6th, 1 Ret)
Constructors
1. B.C.M.A. - 13
2. O.S.C.A. - 12 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 4th, 10 Rets)
3. Ferrari - 12 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 4th, 3 Rets)
4. Voeckler-O.S.C.A. - 7
5. Lotus-O.S.C.A. - 4
6. Cooper-Climax - 1
Entrants
1. British Commonwealth Motorsport Association - 13
2. Scuderia Ferrari - 12 (1 win, 1 2nd)
3. Officine Secializzate Costruzione Automobili - 12 (1 win, 1 4th)
4. Écurie Voeckler - 7
5. Scuderia Centro Sud - 6
6. Team Lotus - 2 (1 5th, 1 7th)
7. Rob Walker Racing - 2 (1 5th, 1 8th)
8. Cooper Car Company - 1
Prize money to come in due course.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
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Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
Post-race report
Injuries
Despite the seven accidents, no drivers were injured.
Damages
Stacey's chassis (Lotus 16 chassis 2) - £359
Sanesi's chassis (O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1) - £6 932
Russell's chassis (Cooper T45 chassis 3) - £525
Ruttman's engine (B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2) - £20 920 (write-off)
Ramos' chassis (O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 1) - £8 941
de Beaufort's chassis (O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 12) - £3 686
Vidilles' chassis (Gordini Type 56 chassis 3) - £9 269
Gerini's chassis (Ferrari 246 chassis 4) - £5 869
Prize money (distance)
Jo Bonnier - £2 000
Phil Hill - £2 000
John Surtees - £1 966
Graham Hill - £1 966
Stuart Lewis-Evans - £1 966
Fernand Tavano - £1 966
Lex Davison - £1 966
Roy Salvadori - £1 931
Peter Ashdown - £1 931
Honoré Wagner - £1 897
Rob Slotemaker - £1 897
Robert la Caze - £1 862
Masten Gregory - £1 828
André Simon - £1 690
Alan Stacey - £1 621
Wolfgang von Trips - £1 586
Dan Gurney - £1 552
Alain de Changy - £1 552
Jean Lucienbonnet - £1 483
Consalvo Sanesi - £1 310
Jim Russell - £1 310
Troy Ruttman - £1 276
Jack Brabham - £1 138
José Froilán González - £1 138
Alain Dagan - £1 138
Stirling Moss - £1 103
Peter Collins - £1 069
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £1 069
Bruce McLaren - £1 069
Mike Parkes - £1 034
Gerino Gerini - £1 000
Henry Taylor - £1 000
Carel Godin de Beaufort - £1 000
Jean-Claude Vidilles - £1 000
Prize money (position)
Jo Bonnier - £27 500
Phil Hill - £21 250
John Surtees - £16 500
Graham Hill - £11 750
Stuart Lewis-Evans - £9 000
Fernand Tavano - £6 250
Lex Davison - £5 500
Roy Salvadori - £4 750
Peter Ashdown - £4 000
Honoré Wagner - £3 250
Rob Slotemaker - £2 500
Robert la Caze - £2 250
Masten Gregory - £2 000
André Simon - £1 750
Alan Stacey - £1 500
Jack Brabham - £1 500
Wolfgang von Trips - £1 250
Dan Gurney - £1 000
Alain de Changy - £750
Jean Lucienbonnet - £500
Consalvo Sanesi - £250
Budgets have been updated.
Injuries
Despite the seven accidents, no drivers were injured.
Damages
Stacey's chassis (Lotus 16 chassis 2) - £359
Sanesi's chassis (O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1) - £6 932
Russell's chassis (Cooper T45 chassis 3) - £525
Ruttman's engine (B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2) - £20 920 (write-off)
Ramos' chassis (O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 1) - £8 941
de Beaufort's chassis (O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 12) - £3 686
Vidilles' chassis (Gordini Type 56 chassis 3) - £9 269
Gerini's chassis (Ferrari 246 chassis 4) - £5 869
Prize money (distance)
Jo Bonnier - £2 000
Phil Hill - £2 000
John Surtees - £1 966
Graham Hill - £1 966
Stuart Lewis-Evans - £1 966
Fernand Tavano - £1 966
Lex Davison - £1 966
Roy Salvadori - £1 931
Peter Ashdown - £1 931
Honoré Wagner - £1 897
Rob Slotemaker - £1 897
Robert la Caze - £1 862
Masten Gregory - £1 828
André Simon - £1 690
Alan Stacey - £1 621
Wolfgang von Trips - £1 586
Dan Gurney - £1 552
Alain de Changy - £1 552
Jean Lucienbonnet - £1 483
Consalvo Sanesi - £1 310
Jim Russell - £1 310
Troy Ruttman - £1 276
Jack Brabham - £1 138
José Froilán González - £1 138
Alain Dagan - £1 138
Stirling Moss - £1 103
Peter Collins - £1 069
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £1 069
Bruce McLaren - £1 069
Mike Parkes - £1 034
Gerino Gerini - £1 000
Henry Taylor - £1 000
Carel Godin de Beaufort - £1 000
Jean-Claude Vidilles - £1 000
Prize money (position)
Jo Bonnier - £27 500
Phil Hill - £21 250
John Surtees - £16 500
Graham Hill - £11 750
Stuart Lewis-Evans - £9 000
Fernand Tavano - £6 250
Lex Davison - £5 500
Roy Salvadori - £4 750
Peter Ashdown - £4 000
Honoré Wagner - £3 250
Rob Slotemaker - £2 500
Robert la Caze - £2 250
Masten Gregory - £2 000
André Simon - £1 750
Alan Stacey - £1 500
Jack Brabham - £1 500
Wolfgang von Trips - £1 250
Dan Gurney - £1 000
Alain de Changy - £750
Jean Lucienbonnet - £500
Consalvo Sanesi - £250
Budgets have been updated.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Alt-1959: French Grand Prix!
VIII Grote Prijs van Nederland - Entry list
1. Carel Godin de Beaufort (Ecurie Maarsbergen) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 12, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 3
2. Rob Slotemaker (Slotemaker Garage) - Cooper T45 chassis 5, Climax FPV IV engine 4
3. Mike Parkes (David Fry) - Fry F2 chassis 1, Borgward 1500 RS engine 1
4. driver TBA (David Fry) - Fry F2 chassis 2, Borgward 1500 RS engine 2
5. Jack Brabham (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 1
6. John Surtees (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 2
7. Stirling Moss (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 3, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 3
8. Masten Gregory (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 8
9. Alan Stacey (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 9
10. Lex Davison (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16, chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 10
11. Jim Russell (British Racing Partnership) - Cooper T45 chassis 3, BRM P26 engine 5
12. Honoré Wagner (Honoré Wagner) - Lotus 12 chassis 2, OSCA 1558 engine 11
13. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Officine Secializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 1
14. José Froilán González (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 2
15. Graham Hill (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 3
16. Jo Bonnier (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
17. Phil Hill (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
18. Gerino Gerini (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 5
19. Roy Salvadori (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
20. Wolfgang von Trips (Scuderia Centro-Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 10, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 14
21. Consalvo Sanesi (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1
22. Ulf Norinder (Ulf Norinder) - Ferrari 246 chassis 3, Ferrari 143 engine 6*
23. Robert la Caze (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 6
24. André Simon (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 5
25. Fernand Tavano (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 7
26. Troy Ruttman (Owen Racing Organisation) - Lotus 12 chassis 4, BRM P26 engine 3
27. Olivier Gendebien (Owen Racing Organisation) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 13, BRM P26 engine 4
28. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 4
29. Dan Gurney (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
Entries will close on Friday December 13th 2024 at noon CET. Don't forget to include your preferred strategy (fast start, fast finish or left random).
1. Carel Godin de Beaufort (Ecurie Maarsbergen) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 12, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 3
2. Rob Slotemaker (Slotemaker Garage) - Cooper T45 chassis 5, Climax FPV IV engine 4
3. Mike Parkes (David Fry) - Fry F2 chassis 1, Borgward 1500 RS engine 1
4. driver TBA (David Fry) - Fry F2 chassis 2, Borgward 1500 RS engine 2
5. Jack Brabham (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 1
6. John Surtees (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 2
7. Stirling Moss (British Commonwealth Motorsport Association) - B.C.M.A. P.1101 chassis 3, B.C.M.A. Pegasus engine 3
8. Masten Gregory (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 8
9. Alan Stacey (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 9
10. Lex Davison (Team Lotus) - Lotus 16, chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 10
11. Jim Russell (British Racing Partnership) - Cooper T45 chassis 3, BRM P26 engine 5
12. Honoré Wagner (Honoré Wagner) - Lotus 12 chassis 2, OSCA 1558 engine 11
13. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Officine Secializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 1
14. José Froilán González (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 2
15. Graham Hill (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 3
16. Jo Bonnier (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
17. Phil Hill (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
18. Gerino Gerini (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 5
19. Roy Salvadori (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
20. Wolfgang von Trips (Scuderia Centro-Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 10, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 14
21. Consalvo Sanesi (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1
22. Ulf Norinder (Ulf Norinder) - Ferrari 246 chassis 3, Ferrari 143 engine 6*
23. Robert la Caze (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 6
24. André Simon (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 5
25. Fernand Tavano (Ecurie Voeckler) - Voeckler Type 57 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 7
26. Troy Ruttman (Owen Racing Organisation) - Lotus 12 chassis 4, BRM P26 engine 3
27. Olivier Gendebien (Owen Racing Organisation) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 13, BRM P26 engine 4
28. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 4
29. Dan Gurney (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
Entries will close on Friday December 13th 2024 at noon CET. Don't forget to include your preferred strategy (fast start, fast finish or left random).
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Alt-1959: French Grand Prix!
Ecurie Maarsbergen will repair their OSCA and enter with Carel Godin De Beaufort, which is obvious.
And hopes to find a second car to rent for Rob Slotemaker, altough, he'd allow Slotemaker to race for a different team too, as long as they add an orange stripe to the car.
Fry will enter with Mike Parkes because the Netherlands are close enough and will any random local driver in their second car. They'll be making offers to local drivers like Jaroslav Juhan (administrative error placed Guatemala in Luxembourg), Sture Nottorp, Beurlys, Elde, Claude Dubois and Freddy Rouselle. Depending on if they get a licence of course.
And hopes to find a second car to rent for Rob Slotemaker, altough, he'd allow Slotemaker to race for a different team too, as long as they add an orange stripe to the car.
Fry will enter with Mike Parkes because the Netherlands are close enough and will any random local driver in their second car. They'll be making offers to local drivers like Jaroslav Juhan (administrative error placed Guatemala in Luxembourg), Sture Nottorp, Beurlys, Elde, Claude Dubois and Freddy Rouselle. Depending on if they get a licence of course.
I don't know what i want and i want it now!
Re: Alt-1959: French Grand Prix!
For the Dutch Grand Prix, B.C.M.A. will submit the following entries:
Jack Brabham - P.1101 1, Pegasus 1
John Surtees - P.1101 2, Pegasus 2
Stirling Moss - P.1101 3, Pegasus 3
Jack Brabham - P.1101 1, Pegasus 1
John Surtees - P.1101 2, Pegasus 2
Stirling Moss - P.1101 3, Pegasus 3
Klon, on Alt-F1 wrote: I like to think it's more poker than gambling, though.
Re: Alt-1959: Enter France!
The usual this weekAislabie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2024, 22:19 Team LotusBritish Racing Partnership
Privateer
equipment loaned from Lotus
Re: Alt-1959: French Grand Prix!
O.S.C.A. will enter the regular lineup of cars for the Dutch Grand Prix. The team shall carry out the necessary repairs to the entered cars.
Hernando da Silva Ramos (Officine Secializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 1
José Froilán González (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 2
Graham Hill (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 3
Hernando da Silva Ramos (Officine Secializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 1
José Froilán González (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 2
Graham Hill (Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili) - O.S.C.A. F159 chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 3
pasta_maldonado wrote:The stewards have recommended that Alan Jones learns to drive.
Re: Alt-1959: French Grand Prix!
Ferrari will enter the following cars:
27. Jo Bonnier (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
28. Phil Hill (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
29. Gerino Gerini (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 5
We repair the entirety of Gerini's 246 chassis 4.
27. Jo Bonnier (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
28. Phil Hill (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
29. Gerino Gerini (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 5
We repair the entirety of Gerini's 246 chassis 4.
Mario on Gutierrez after the Italian Grand Prix wrote:He's no longer just a bit of a tool, he's the entire tool set.
18-07-2015: Forever in our hearts Jules.
25-08-2015: Forever in our hearts Justin.
Re: Alt-1959: French Grand Prix!
Vandervell Products Ltd. will enter with the same driver and equipment as the last race.
Eurosport broadcast for the 1990 Mexican GP prequalifying:
"The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
"The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
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Re: Alt-1959: French Grand Prix!
Scuderia Centro Sud will enter with the same driver combination as the last Grand Prix. We will lease the same chassis-engine combo from OSCA
Klon wrote:more liek Nick Ass-idy amirite?
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Re: Alt-1959: French Grand Prix!
(With permission from Nessafox) Firstly, Rob Slotemaker will borrow a car from Reg Parnell again. He will pay for all repairs and transport.
Team: Slotemaker Garage
Cooper T45 5 - Climax FPV IV 4
With help from Jo Bonnier, Ulf Norinder will be loaned the following Ferrari (Miguel98):
Team: Ulf Norinder
Ferrari 246 chassis 3, Ferrari 143 engine 6
Team: Slotemaker Garage
Cooper T45 5 - Climax FPV IV 4
With help from Jo Bonnier, Ulf Norinder will be loaned the following Ferrari (Miguel98):
Team: Ulf Norinder
Ferrari 246 chassis 3, Ferrari 143 engine 6
Klon wrote:What did poor André do to you for him to be insulted like that?
Re: Alt-1959: French Grand Prix!
Voeckler will have the same plans as the last race.
Re: Alt-1959: French Grand Prix!
Apologies for the late entry
Owen Racing Organisation
Troy Ruttman - Lotus 12 chassis 4, BRM P26 engine 3
Olivier Gendebien - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 13, BRM P26 engine 4
Rob Walker Racing
Stuart Lewis-Evans - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 4
Dan Gurney - Lotus 12 chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
In addendum, Rob Walker is interested in selling O.S.C.A. 1557 engines 1 and 2, price will be available for negotiations.
Owen Racing Organisation can either sell or borrow Vanwall VW56 chassis 4 or the 1956-spec O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 10 to privateers.
Owen Racing Organisation
Troy Ruttman - Lotus 12 chassis 4, BRM P26 engine 3
Olivier Gendebien - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 13, BRM P26 engine 4
Rob Walker Racing
Stuart Lewis-Evans - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 659 engine 4
Dan Gurney - Lotus 12 chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
In addendum, Rob Walker is interested in selling O.S.C.A. 1557 engines 1 and 2, price will be available for negotiations.
Owen Racing Organisation can either sell or borrow Vanwall VW56 chassis 4 or the 1956-spec O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 10 to privateers.
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