What are team principals for?

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What are team principals for?

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Nelsinho's back on the mike about Flab Flav. Really, he's about as boring and repetitive as 50-cent:

"He is ignorant about Formula 1," said Piquet. "Maybe because of all the things that didn't favour me put me so low that he just didn't care. He didn't understand what is going on with the team.

"If you listen to the pit-wall radio, it's like a joke. He hasn't got a clue what is happening in the race. Sometimes he asks if a driver has slick or wet tyres when it is obvious.

"Everyone knows that his ego is bigger than anything else. He likes to show off. You can be a very good businessman and whatever, but the F1 team itself can do very well without him. When I first started he would attend all of the meetings and briefings, but taking away the business side, he makes comments that don't make any sense.

"The only good thing the team takes out of him is his good relationship with Bernie and the FIA. Other than that, he doesn't know what is going on. It's like listening to something my sister would say about the car. Pat Symonds is the guy who really understands what is going on with the team."

Briatore has declined to comment about Piquet's statements.


Source: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77638

So, a good question: should the overall top man in the team, the principal, know that much about cars, setups, strategy and tech, or should he concentrate on managing and running the business side of things? From my understanding of specialization of labour, it's OK if the manager knows little about the technical side of things. He's supposed to be a people manager (Flav's an awful one...), make the connection with the manufacturer that's bankrolling the team (he seems better at this) and have a general, business perspective of the operation, while maintaining the commercial contacts at high level (that's knowing Bernie, in this case).

Does it really matter he can't be bothered with what's going on on the track?
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Briatore's credentials as a team principal are pretty strong, much as I've slagged him off. He's got a proven record at providing success to his best driver. He's commercially very strong which you need to be. His schmoozing skills are obviously up there with the best.

Despite defending Piquet, he's very naive to have such a low opinion of Briatore. He's not a man to be crossed.

He is however is a completely fair weather team principal who you don't want around when things are going badly.
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Yeah, I'm not sure about Flav. He's never really been associated with any sort of faliure but then that could be 'cos he just buggers off whenever there is a problem...

Like someone said above. He is very "fair weather" Frank Williams and Ron Dennis are both excellent team principals and are much more highly regarded than Flav will ever be. They have both steared their teams through low points.
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JDOD wrote:Yeah, I'm not sure about Flav. He's never really been associated with any sort of faliure but then that could be 'cos he just buggers off whenever there is a problem...

Like someone said above. He is very "fair weather" Frank Williams and Ron Dennis are both excellent team principals and are much more highly regarded than Flav will ever be. They have both steared their teams through low points.


And, although he's moved on, di Montezemolo used to be a great team principal, back in the 70's and early 80's. As far as I know, he's always been into the management of the operation, not on the mechanics side of it. Both Frank Williams and Ron Dennis (and Ken Tyrrel, Colin Chapman) were into the tech side of the thing as well. I think Patrick Head's speciality was gearboxes, wasn't it?
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CarlosFerreira wrote:
JDOD wrote: Both Frank Williams and Ron Dennis (and Ken Tyrrel, Colin Chapman) were into the tech side of the thing as well. I think Patrick Head's speciality was gearboxes, wasn't it?


Chapman wasn't just into the tech side... he practically reinvented the tech-side of formula one a couple of times... (Engine as a stressed part of the chassis, ground effects, Wings...)
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"What are team principals for?"

Absolutely nothing! Huh! Say it again!


Ahem, anyway.
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CarlosFerreira wrote:
JDOD wrote:Yeah, I'm not sure about Flav. He's never really been associated with any sort of faliure but then that could be 'cos he just buggers off whenever there is a problem...

Like someone said above. He is very "fair weather" Frank Williams and Ron Dennis are both excellent team principals and are much more highly regarded than Flav will ever be. They have both steared their teams through low points.


And, although he's moved on, di Montezemolo used to be a great team principal, back in the 70's and early 80's. As far as I know, he's always been into the management of the operation, not on the mechanics side of it. Both Frank Williams and Ron Dennis (and Ken Tyrrel, Colin Chapman) were into the tech side of the thing as well. I think Patrick Head's speciality was gearboxes, wasn't it?


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JDOD wrote:Yeah, I'm not sure about Flav. He's never really been associated with any sort of faliure but then that could be 'cos he just buggers off whenever there is a problem...


The perfect example of this is the Hungarian GP when Flavio left after Alonso's retirement, he couldn't care less about Piquet, he buggered off when he was still in the race.
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What are team principals for? They are figureheads of righteuosness, and purveyours of the message the teams want to convey, in addition to being an integral part of the management of the team from ground roots level to the board room.

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I think we all heard you the first tim Shinji :lol:
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As I see it, the primary requirement of a team prinicipal is to lead and give direction to a team. If the principal does it well, everything else is optional. Hence why the team principals are a very varied bunch with many different specialisms.
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