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Here is mine for the United States:

1 New York http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4358668

The rest should show up sometime next week.
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As you can see I have not kept completely to the rules, seeing as our only somewhat big city is Vienna ("Wien" in German) - so there are three races there compared to just one anywhere else. One of these is in Vienna's second district (where I currently live). The second track, in the Viennese District of Favoriten is there because that district would be Austria's fourth biggest city taken on it's own, and the Track in Vienna's first district is there because it's simply the centre not only of the city but also, in a way, of Austria. (Don't tell people living in the other provenices about that, though!)

1. Wien Prater http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4356835 This is supposed to be a bit like Royal Albert Park as the majority of the circuit runs through the Prater, Vienna's biggest public parc. The is no big pond like they have in Melburne, but the track runs near Vienna's Ferris Wheel (near start and finish which is in the "Praterstern" roundabout that I would call "Ferris Wheel Loop" in the track layout) and also including the somewhat seedy Stuwerviertel (known primarily as a hotspot of street prostitution) as a "street circuit" part of the track from kilometer number 5 till the finish line.
2. Graz http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4356848 Austria's second city, which, people keep telling me, is also a great place to visit. Sadly I'm not that familiar with it, so I can't really say much about the sights. In terms of the track, I tried to make two parts: One consisting of long, fast straights, and the other of slow, tricky, narrow corners.
3. Linz http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4356879 The capital city of the province of Upper Austria and home to the gigantic, still partly state owned steel industry company called Voest. I tried to make this track a mixture of run down Voest-industrial parks and the rather nice city centre of Linz. In terms of difficulty it's probably not that great, as it consists of mostly straights and 90 degree corners. I sincerely hope that 180° corner on the Voest dock is wide enough to avoid a A1GP-in-Beijing-like situation.
4. Wien Favoriten http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4356883 A fast and partly tricky circuit through Vienna's still predominantly working-class neighborhoods in the district of Favoriten. The track also crosses the public parc of Laaerberg, which adds some elvation changes. Also, please note the fast, sweeping corner through the roundabout that is supposed to be a tribute to Eau Rouge (although flat).
5. Salzburg http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4359134 As I am from there originally, I really enjoyed trying to design this track. Not least because it allowed me to imagine conservative Salzburg NIMBYs having heart attacks should something like this ever be built. Which, of course, will never happen. Anyway: The track starts off with a few flat-out corners (almost a straight) along the river Salzach before turning right and running straight through the Linzer Gasse pedestrian zone. After a few rather unremarkable twisty turns the track reaches Mirabell Garden where even small contemporary art projects usually draw the ire and sustained protests of the city's inhabitants. After that, the track crosses the Salzach for the first time to lead by the famous Großes Festspielhaus (where Salzburgs classical music summer festival takes place annually, and where a simple repaving of the road lead people to write angry letters for weeks on end few years ago). The final left-right combinations lead through Salzburg's baroque city centre back to the start-finish line. I imagine Salzburg's archbishop will not be very amused by the race along Salzburg's Cathedral, as he was even opposed to football matches beeing broadcast on the square in front of it during the recent World Cup.
6. Innsbruck http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4359146 The track through the province of Tyrol's capital city of Innsbruck offers a few nice elevation changes on it's way from the ski jumping arena on Berg Isel through the city's historic part and it's most famous landmark, the Golden Roof. The track might not look very demanding, but the twisting corners, elevation changes and the strong wind that are usually prevailing in the city will make it interesting enough for the drivers.
7. Klagenfurt http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4359157 Finally, there's the track in the province of Carinthia's capital city of Klagenfurt. Start and Finish is in front of the Windisch-Kaserne, the Austrian barracks renowed among Austrian men as the place where they all have to go at the age of 18 to determine whether they are fit enough to join the glorious Austrian army for the still (as of yet) mandatory 6 months of basic training (or to do 8 months of civil service instead). After a fast corner around the barracks, an almost Imola-like chicane and two 90 degree left turns, the track lead to Klagenfurt's main square and along the Lindwurm (a statue of a giant worm-monster that is the city's rather lame and disappointingly small landmark). A few block further, thae track also leads along the headquarters of Hypo Alpe-Adria, one of the banks at the centre of Bernie Ecclestone's recent alleged bribe-scandal. After that, a few 90 degree corners lead back to the start and finish straight.
8. Villach
9. Wels
10. St. Pölten
11. Dornbirn
12. Wiener Neustadt
13. Steyr
14. Feldkirch
15. Bregenz
16. Klosterneuburg
17. Wolfsberg
18. Wien Innere Stadt

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The Australian Formula 3 Street Circuit Challenge:
1. Sydney: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4359260: It's a track of two halves as the first part of the lap is tight and twisty around the Royal Botanic Gardens. After leaving the botanic gardens we enter a section of straights followed by 90 degree corners as we snake our way to Hyde Park through the streets of the CBD. After going around Hyde Park we make our way to St James' Curch and the Domain before blasting our way back to the start finish line.
2. Melbourne: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4359252: I for one don't see a problem with it
3. Brisbane: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4359271: Another track where setup compromise is needed as we start at Roma Street Station. From there we snake our way down to the State Parliament house and the City Botanic Gardens before short blasts and 90 degree corners take us to St Stephen's Cathedral. Then we make our way back to Roma Street Station via Central Stations.
4. Perth: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4359283: The track at Perth is a typical street circuit. We start at Kings Park before making our way through the CBD passing many of the landmarks in the CBD. Upon reaching Roe street we enter one of the longest straights on the calender at over 1.2 kilometers before returning to Kings Park.
5. Adelaide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Adelaide_%28long_route%29.svg: See Melbourne
6. Gold Coast - Tweed: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4361516: To be honest there really isn't much to say about this track except it has a hell of a lot of start-stop stuff
7. Newcastle: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4361522: We start off with a long blast down Turton Road past the International Sports centre before another long straight down Griffiths Road takes us towards the Showgrounds. After weaving our way around the showground we rejoin at Donald Street and another straight takes us to Broadmeadow railway station. From there another long blast down Lambton Road takes us back to the start-finish line.
8. Canberra -Queanbeyan: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4361535: I'll let the map speak for itself since it goes past more places of importance than you can poke a stick at.
9. Wollongong: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4361542: If anything it's just a twistier version of the Gold Coast track
10. Sunshine Coast: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4361546
11. Hobart: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4361550
12. Geelong: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4380914: I mean, the park is just MADE for a racetrack.
13. Townsville: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4380920
14. Cairns: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4381154
15. Toowoomba: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4381158
16. Darwin: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4381160: A three kilometer long front straight shows just how fast this track is going to be
17. Launceston: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4381167
18. Albury-Wodonga: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4381171
19. Ballarat: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4381175
20. Bendigo: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4381177
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I'll do one based on the location of the English Premier League teams:

Arsenal (Islington) - Not the world's greatest street circuit, but I suppose the championship's got to start in London! Main straight is a long one, running parallel to the Emirates Stadium. Lots of 90 degree turns and a couple of hairpins. The Market Rd/Mackenzie Rd section is a bit tight but damned fast.
Aston Villa (Aston) - An absolute car-breaker. Flat out for about a mile and a half down Lichfield Road. The start/finish line is sited on one of the shortest straights, next to Villa Park and Aston Park. At one point the cars actually pass over each over, having negotiated the roundabout and heading for the elevated road section onto Lichfield Road.
Birmingham City - RedBullJack's track
Blackburn Rovers - Another track with a long straight, with lots of high speed kinks thrown in. The kinks may not provide great racing, but should produce some fantastic on board shots. However, the track does have a tricky technical section around Blackburn College which could see a few optimistic drivers finding the wall.
Blackpool - I've designed a track going along the seafront before, but this one is a bit more interesting. Incorporating Stanley Park and Kingscote Park, and passing Blackpool Zoo and a nice lake, the track is fast for the first 2 and a bit miles, but then get's technical when the cars head back into Stanley Park again, with a few recreation grounds to wind around.
Bolton Wanderers
Chelsea
Everton (Bootle)
Fulham
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United (Salford)
Newcastle United
Stoke City
Sunderland - Warren Hughes' track
Tottenham Hotspur
West Bromwich Albion
West Ham United
Wigan Athletic
Wolverhampton Wanderers
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watka wrote:I see that the Walloons get all the good tracks!

Of course that is purely a coincidence... :mrgreen:
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tommykl wrote:
watka wrote:I see that the Walloons get all the good tracks!

Of course that is purely a coincidence... :mrgreen:


Ghent and Bruges are lovely, the tracks are not worthy of them! I've never visited Liege, so maybe I should withhold my opinion!
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Ireland - we aren't really a nation given to 'raceable' roads.

1. Galway
2. Gorey
3. Waterford
4. Athlone
5. Westport
6. Sligo
7. Dublin
8. Letterkenny
9. Kildare (Curragh)
10. Limerick
11. Ennis
12. Dundalk
13. Mullingar
14. Bray
15. Clonmel
16. Booterstown(small village, but it's where I live)
17. Kilkenny
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watka wrote:I see that the Walloons get all the good tracks!

I'll do one based on the location of the English Premier League teams (when I get the chance!):

Arsenal (Islington) - Not the world's greatest street circuit, but I suppose the championship's got to start in London! Main straight is a long one, running parallel to the Emirates Stadium. Lots of 90 degree turns and a couple of hairpins. The Market Rd/Mackenzie Rd section is a bit tight but damned fast.
Aston Villa (Aston)
Birmingham City
Blackburn Rovers
Blackpool
Bolton Wanderers
Chelsea
Everton (Bootle)
Fulham
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United (Salford)
Newcastle United
Stoke City
Sunderland
Tottenham Hotspur
West Bromwich Albion
West Ham United
Wigan Athletic
Wolverhampton Wanderers


Want me to do Birmingham City for you, i'm familiar with the area.
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shinji wrote:17. Kilkenny

Please don't.
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thehemogoblin wrote:
shinji wrote:17. Kilkenny

Please don't.


Never occurred to me.

Rest safe in the knowledge that first of all, I won't; and second of all, I will now always think of you briefly, whenever it's mentioned (which will be often).
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shinji wrote:
thehemogoblin wrote:
shinji wrote:17. Kilkenny

Please don't.


Rest safe in the knowledge that first of all, I won't; and second of all, I will now always think of you briefly, whenever it's mentioned (which will be often).


Maybe you should do it though, to give him some punishment.
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redbulljack14 wrote:
watka wrote:I see that the Walloons get all the good tracks!

I'll do one based on the location of the English Premier League teams (when I get the chance!):

Arsenal (Islington) - Not the world's greatest street circuit, but I suppose the championship's got to start in London! Main straight is a long one, running parallel to the Emirates Stadium. Lots of 90 degree turns and a couple of hairpins. The Market Rd/Mackenzie Rd section is a bit tight but damned fast.
Aston Villa (Aston)
Birmingham City
Blackburn Rovers
Blackpool
Bolton Wanderers
Chelsea
Everton (Bootle)
Fulham
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United (Salford)
Newcastle United
Stoke City
Sunderland
Tottenham Hotspur
West Bromwich Albion
West Ham United
Wigan Athletic
Wolverhampton Wanderers


Want me to do Birmingham City for you, i'm familiar with the area.


If you so wish, just PM me the link.
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redbulljack14 wrote:Want me to do Birmingham City for you, i'm familiar with the area.

I repeat this offer, except for Sunderland (obviously)
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Warren Hughes wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:Want me to do Birmingham City for you, i'm familiar with the area.

I repeat this offer, except for Sunderland (obviously)


Sure. Track list now updated with a Blackburn track btw.
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watka wrote:Liverpool

This may actually be worse than Sao Palo in respects of car theft. lol
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Added tracks for Geelong and Townsville.
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Here's another TT-style road track, designed when I was bored at school, then I took out a pencil and paper...

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resir014 wrote:Here's another TT-style road track, designed when I was bored at school, then I took out a pencil and paper...

http://i51.tinypic.com/33cc7b5.jpg
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Reminds me of St Jovite a little bit.
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Blackpool track now up.
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my brain farted. this track runs on the perimeter around the ancient city landmarks of Rome.
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clockwise, of course. three chicanes, but the one in the parking lot isn't really necessary. the final one is to slow the cars for the pit entrance, in case Coulthard decides to enter the race.
i get the feeling this kind of layout has been thought of before though.
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^ That reminds me of the Rome Circuit from GT2.
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resir014 wrote:Here's another TT-style road track, designed when I was bored at school, then I took out a pencil and paper...

http://i51.tinypic.com/33cc7b5.jpg
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finally tried my own city (hasselt) http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4431245
genk http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4431265
tongeren, the oldest city of belgium http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4431272
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4431259 an absurdly long track in oostende (not in my neigborhood but i know that city quite well)
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Here's another one for classic sports cars. I call it the Bagdad Grand Prix. Bagdad, Florida that is. ;)

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4691681
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Here's a revised version of the same track from above.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4691744
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I know many F1 drivers have been asked by the press before to design a racetrack from the best corners the F1 calendar has to offer, but how about designing a racetrack from the most rejectful corners of F1?

The hairpin that was removed after the first edition of the Detroit Grand Prix? The right-left-right wiggle that was removed from the original version of Hungaroring as early as the late 80s? The last time sector of the Tilkefied Fuji Speedway? The pitlane entrance of Zolder? The reverse corkscrew of Estoril? The chicane of Barcelona? Piquet Corner of Singapore?

Which other such track sections can you come up with?
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Yannick wrote:I know many F1 drivers have been asked by the press before to design a racetrack from the best corners the F1 calendar has to offer, but how about designing a racetrack from the most rejectful corners of F1?

That's called the Bugatti circuit.
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http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4692142

Another street circuit in Richmond.
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- The Singapore Sling (good for entertainment, but a rubbish corner from a driving perspective).
- The temporary chicane, designed by Jody Scheckter, installed at Zandvoort in 1979.
- The various temporary chicanes erected at Catalunya, Montreal and Spa-Francorchamps in response to the events at Imola in 1994, and the fast chicane at Catalunya which required the temporary chicane to be erected before it (and was removed for 1995).
- The kerbs that were initially installed at Sainte Dévote, Monaco, when the corner was tightened in the mid-1970s.
- The additional chicane after the Adelaide hairpin at Magny-Cours that was removed after the 1991 race.
- The first corner of the shortened Paul Ricard track, used from 1986 to 1990.
- AVUS.
- The pre-1995 configurations of Acque Minerale and the the first Variante Bassa (where Barrichello crashed) at Imola.
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DOSBoot wrote:Here's another one for classic sports cars. I call it the Bagdad Grand Prix. Bagdad, Florida that is. ;)

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4691681

DOSBoot wrote:Here's a revised version of the same track from above.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4691744

25 or 32 miles? Are you serious? That is still more than 5 miles shorter than the 37.73 miles of the Manx TT Mountain course...

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Yannick wrote:I know many F1 drivers have been asked by the press before to design a racetrack from the best corners the F1 calendar has to offer, but how about designing a racetrack from the most rejectful corners of F1?

That's called the Bugatti circuit.

Don't you mean Magny-Cours? They even named the corners after the tracks from which they were named.
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dr-baker wrote:
DOSBoot wrote:Here's another one for classic sports cars. I call it the Bagdad Grand Prix. Bagdad, Florida that is. ;)

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4691681

DOSBoot wrote:Here's a revised version of the same track from above.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4691744

25 or 32 miles? Are you serious? That is still more than 5 miles shorter than the 37.73 miles of the Manx TT Mountain course...


Well, to satisfy you're disappointment, I came up with another revised track. I called it "The Bagdad Classic: 0.02 Miles Longer Than the Isle of Manx TT Mountain Edition". :P

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Ladies and Gentlemen, the London (Ontario) Classic, clocking in at just under 60 miles.

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alright people seem to find hometown gps cool, so i did mine! it has 3 speed bumps, goes past my vice principal's parkin spot, a church, a rec-center, and an abandoned grocery store! a set of landmarks comparable to Monaco!
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....oh, and also....
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start finish and pits are apart of my hometown circuit(marked by the yellow pin on the bottom right)
take THAT you distance trekking mortals!

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About reject corners:

- Abu Dhabi: that chicane/hairpin combo before the long straight

(although the track is bad in many other ways, that's the worst part of it)
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The pathetic last corner at Magny-Cours, 2nd gear 90 degree corner right after a slow chicane.
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i just thought of this, and i think it might be better than the one on the left....
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what do you guys think?
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*bump* any more ideas, guys?
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