1981 Alternate F1 - Piquet and Shadow are champions!

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 17 May 2014, 10:02

Hermann95 wrote:Williams driver bids:

Driver 1:
Elio de Angelis 650k 2years

I'd think very carefully about bidding for Elio, Mr Williams.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 17 May 2014, 11:12

takagi_for_the_win wrote:
Hermann95 wrote:Williams driver bids:

Driver 1:
Elio de Angelis 650k 2years

I'd think very carefully about bidding for Elio, Mr Williams.

Do you mean there is the posibility of an accident?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 17 May 2014, 11:17

Hermann95 wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:
Hermann95 wrote:Williams driver bids:

Driver 1:
Elio de Angelis 650k 2years

I'd think very carefully about bidding for Elio, Mr Williams.

Do you mean there is the posibility of an accident?

*Goes to look for the baseball bat*

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 17 May 2014, 11:34

Brabham's updated bids:

Keke Rosberg 550k (2 years)
Stefan Johansson 500k (2 years)
Michele Alboreto 550k (2 years)
Jody Scheckter 400k (1 year)
Kevin Cogan 350k (1 year)

Herrmann95, check your mail.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 17 May 2014, 12:42

pasta_maldonado, Salamander, FandometteBR and Kevinbotz: please check your emails.

Williams' updated bids:

Driver 1:
Elio de Angelis 750k 3years
Nelson Piquet 450k 3years
Didier Pironi 600k 2years
Riccardo Patrese 500k 2years
Alan Jones 450k 1 years

Driver 2(if no one from driver 1 signed take 2 from driver 2):
Thierry Boutsen 250k 2years
Kevin Cogan 250k 2years
Derek Warwick 250k 1year
Teo Fabi 150k 2 years
Eddy Cheever 200k 2years

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 17 May 2014, 14:51

Is Captain_Getz12 on holiday or something? I have no response whatsoever from Renault. If no answer is received soon, we may look for other engine suppliers. Arrows is open to hear any offer and will take decision soon after that.

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 17 May 2014, 15:54

We are happy to announce Arrows will lengthen our partnership with Renault as works team. Once we have our budget updated, we will announce our driver offers (we are interested in some drivers (Laffite and Pironi are definately in the list as we would like French driver).

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 17 May 2014, 17:32

As a result of Mr Williams' persistent attempts to get his kneecaps batt- sorry, to sign Elio de Angelis, Ferrari will up their bid for him to 700k as well.

We'd also like to announce that our new turbo'd engines will cost 450k per unit this season, and y'all are welcome to enter into negotiations. Before you ask, no you won't have discounts, and no, you won't get preferential treatment. Unless you're French and have blue cars.

Edit: Pi and Wizzie, check your PM's

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 17 May 2014, 19:13

takagi_for_the_win wrote:As a result of Mr Williams' persistent attempts to get his kneecaps batt- sorry, to sign Elio de Angelis, Ferrari will up their bid for him to 700k as well.

We'd also like to announce that our new turbo'd engines will cost 450k per unit this season, and y'all are welcome to enter into negotiations. Before you ask, no you won't have discounts, and no, you won't get preferential treatment. Unless you're French and have blue cars.

Edit: Pi and Wizzie, check your PM's

Ey, why the hell these French morons get preferential treatment? They are utter monkeys! If Osella had their spending power, we'd crush them!

As an existing Ferrari customer, who previously supported the career of a Ferrari junior driver, Osella expects to be treated with the same respect as certain other customers, otherwise we may have to reconsider our current relationship wiht the Scuderia.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 17 May 2014, 20:08

Biscione wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:As a result of Mr Williams' persistent attempts to get his kneecaps batt- sorry, to sign Elio de Angelis, Ferrari will up their bid for him to 700k as well.

We'd also like to announce that our new turbo'd engines will cost 450k per unit this season, and y'all are welcome to enter into negotiations. Before you ask, no you won't have discounts, and no, you won't get preferential treatment. Unless you're French and have blue cars.

Edit: Pi and Wizzie, check your PM's

Ey, why the hell these French morons get preferential treatment? They are utter monkeys! If Osella had their spending power, we'd crush them!

As an existing Ferrari customer, who previously supported the career of a Ferrari junior driver, Osella expects to be treated with the same respect as certain other customers, otherwise we may have to reconsider our current relationship wiht the Scuderia.

Unfortunately, due to monetary constraints we can only supply cut price engines to one customer, and due to our historical and successful partnership we'd rather it was Ligier that got the deal. That is not to say we don't want to end the relationship with Osella; quite the contrary in fact, we were pleasantly surprised at the professional manner in which your team conducted itself last year and we'd be more than happy to place Mr Alboreto at your team for another season, but if you choose to walk away then I'm afraid that will simply not be possible.

Pi, any chance that the engine supplier quota wallah could be scrapped? Going by my PM's, quite a few teams are very interested in nabbing Ferrari engines and I don't want to unsettle their carefully laid plans.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 17 May 2014, 20:23

Well, Surtees obviously have it bad, so we'll build a tier 12 chassis focussing on top speed.

SeedStriker · Post by **SeedStriker** » 17 May 2014, 21:17

takagi_for_the_win wrote:As a result of Mr Williams' persistent attempts to get his kneecaps batt- sorry, to sign Elio de Angelis, Ferrari will up their bid for him to 700k as well.

We'd also like to announce that our new turbo'd engines will cost 450k per unit this season, and y'all are welcome to enter into negotiations. Before you ask, no you won't have discounts, and no, you won't get preferential treatment. Unless you're French and have blue cars.

Edit: Pi and Wizzie, check your PM's

As always, Ensign would like to continue our partnership with Ferrari, and we're willing to pay for the new turbo engines

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 17 May 2014, 22:36

takagi_for_the_win wrote:
Biscione wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:As a result of Mr Williams' persistent attempts to get his kneecaps batt- sorry, to sign Elio de Angelis, Ferrari will up their bid for him to 700k as well.

We'd also like to announce that our new turbo'd engines will cost 450k per unit this season, and y'all are welcome to enter into negotiations. Before you ask, no you won't have discounts, and no, you won't get preferential treatment. Unless you're French and have blue cars.

Edit: Pi and Wizzie, check your PM's

Ey, why the hell these French morons get preferential treatment? They are utter monkeys! If Osella had their spending power, we'd crush them!

As an existing Ferrari customer, who previously supported the career of a Ferrari junior driver, Osella expects to be treated with the same respect as certain other customers, otherwise we may have to reconsider our current relationship wiht the Scuderia.

Unfortunately, due to monetary constraints we can only supply cut price engines to one customer, and due to our historical and successful partnership we'd rather it was Ligier that got the deal. That is not to say we don't want to end the relationship with Osella; quite the contrary in fact, we were pleasantly surprised at the professional manner in which your team conducted itself last year and we'd be more than happy to place Mr Alboreto at your team for another season, but if you choose to walk away then I'm afraid that will simply not be possible.

A long story short; we won't take Alboreto unless there is some discounts from Ferrari for doing so! How can you betray your own countrymen for those damned Frogs? Forget them! They are fools!

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 17 May 2014, 23:45

I think a Tier 8 chassis should be affordable, so we'll do that.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 18 May 2014, 02:44

Will wait till Tier 3 sponsorship is allocated in budget to decide officially chassis plans and drivers

AustralianStig · Post by **AustralianStig** » 18 May 2014, 08:42

Toleman's finalised plans for 1981:

Engine: Hart (as announced earlier, including a 25k upgrade to reliability), purchasing 2 so we are ready to supply 2 cars to races if required. Hart to charge us cost price for both, so a total cost of $825k.

Tyres: Michelin

Chassis: Tier 5 focusing on grip

Driver offers (all 1 year contracts):
Patrick Depailler (550k)
Patrick Tambay (450k)
John Watson (400k)
Derek Daly (400k)
Hector Rebaque (200k)

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 18 May 2014, 09:13

I've added tier 3 sponsorship to the budgets.

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 18 May 2014, 11:07

Here are the drivers we are interested.

Driver 1 and 2 (in order of preference):

Jacque Laffite - 2 year deal, 450k per season
Didier Pironi - 2 year deal, 550k per season
Riccardo Patrese - 2 year deal, 400 k per season
Emerson Fittipaldi - 2 year deal, 250k per season
Elio de Angelis - 2 year deal, 500k per season
Gilles Villeneuve - 2 year deal, 250 k per season
Keke Rosberg - 2 year deal, 300 k per season
Patrick Tambay - 2 year deal, 300 k per season
Nelson Piquet - 2 year deal, 200 k per season

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 18 May 2014, 11:24

In light of recent offers that have been made, Ligier will update their offers to as follows:

1. Didier Pironi - 650k, 3 years + a one-off 750k signing fee
2. Jacques Laffite - 650k, 3 years + a one-off 750k signing fee
3. Alan Jones - 450k, 2 years
4. Henri Toivonen - 150k, 2 years
5. Teo Fabi - 150k, 2 years
6. Andrea de Cesaris - 150k, 1 year
7. Thierry Boutsen - 150k, 1 year

As with earlier, all will also receive bonus pay as stipulated in the earlier round of offers

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 18 May 2014, 11:41

AustralianStig wrote:
Driver offers (all 1 year contracts):
Patrick Depailler (550k)
Patrick Tambay (450k)
John Watson (400k)
Derek Daly (400k)
Hector Rebaque (200k)

You do realise that's just giving SuperAguri a free 200k, right?

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 18 May 2014, 13:17

pycku wrote:Here are the drivers we are interested.

Driver 1 and 2 (in order of preference):
Keke Rosberg - 2 year deal, 300 k per season

Brabham ask Arrows to drop their offer for Keke Rosberg, or face the wrath of Bernie Ecclestone both on and off the track.

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 18 May 2014, 13:23

pasta_maldonado wrote:
Brabham ask Arrows to drop their offer for Keke Rosberg, or face the wrath of Bernie Ecclestone both on and off the track.

We respect Brabham and we appreciate their help once we were called LEC. However, we are fully aware of what Keke is capable of and we will not withdraw our bid. As for Bernie, we offer him free beer every time he comes into our motor home.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 18 May 2014, 14:29

Then, Tyrrell will decide where to spend

Car: We are going to build a Tier 6 car, focusing on both reliability and topspeed and

Drivers: We want to search for the following drivers

Nelson Piquet - 110k - 1 year contract
René Arnoux - 100k - 2 year contract
Jean-Pierre Jabouille - 100k - 1 year contract
Andrea de Cesaris - 100k - 2 year contract
Alan Jones - 100k - 1 year contract

Tyres: We would like to attain the Goodyear deal for the season

Post by **kevinbotz** » 18 May 2014, 18:08

Shadow Driver Contract Arrangements - 1981

Nelson Piquet - 550k (3 years)
Jody Scheckter - 400k (2 years)
Jacques Laffite - 650k (3 years)
Jean Pierre Jabouille - 250k (1 year)
Patrick Tambay - 400k (1 year)
Teo Fabi - 250k (1 year)
Rene Arnoux - 300k (1 year)

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 18 May 2014, 19:38

Williams' updated bids:

Driver 1:
Elio de Angelis 750k 3years
Nelson Piquet 600k 3years
Didier Pironi 700k 2years
Riccardo Patrese 500k 2years
Alan Jones 450k 1 years

Driver 2(if no one from driver 1 signed take 2 from driver 2):
Thierry Boutsen 250k 2years
Kevin Cogan 250k 2years
Derek Warwick 250k 1year
Teo Fabi 200k 2 years
Eddy Cheever 200k 2years

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 18 May 2014, 22:39

Can I haz Ferrari engines for 450.000? I am open to negotiating the price if it helps getting a preferential treatment

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 19 May 2014, 21:11

Phoenix wrote:Can I haz Ferrari engines for 450.000? I am open to negotiating the price if it helps getting a preferential treatment

Preferential treatment? Lol nope

I will take Lotus' bid into consideration though, along with the 9 other bids for customer engines.

Osella, Ferrari will pay a small contribution to Mr Alboreto's salary if you resign with us, but no more than that. If you don't like this proposal, feel free to negotiate with other engine suppliers.

Finally, I would like inform everyone that's bidding for Messrs Villeneuve and de Angelis that I currently have Wizzie straining at the leash, brandishing a baseball bat with foam streaming from his mouth.

Post by **Ataxia** » 19 May 2014, 21:20

Since there's no chance Theodore will manage to snag Ferrari engines, we'll officially withdraw our offer and look at other avenues. We'll wait and see what Cosworth do, first and foremost. If their engine and price satisfies us, then hopefully they'll be happy to supply us.

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 20 May 2014, 11:43

Rebaques Driver Offers (no seperate seats, start from top and work downwards until both seats are filled).

Andrea de Cesaris, 300K 1 Year
Clay Regazzoni 200k 1 Year
Rene Arnoux 200K 1 Year
Jochen Mass 100k 1 Year
Tony Trimmer Free 1 Year
Slim Borgudd Free 1 Year

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 20 May 2014, 20:33

Yeah... that about sums up McLaren's thoughts on BMW build quality and... everything else they do, really.

Turbogirl · Post by **Turbogirl** » 21 May 2014, 16:11

Salamander wrote:

Yeah... that about sums up McLaren's thoughts on BMW build quality and... everything else they do, really.

That's exactly why I don't like modern DTM anymore. Why do the cars have to be like this? Can't they use good old GT models, which are much more robust and (imo) look so much better than this flimsy carbon crap?

Also, I've started uploading the 1983 templates for this series in my template thread. I'm sticking to the order in the entry list, so the McLaren MP4/2C is up first.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 21 May 2014, 16:15

Turbogirl wrote:Also, I've started uploading the 1983 templates for this series in my template thread. I'm sticking to the order in the entry list, so the McLaren MP4/2C is up first.

Thanks a lot for the templates. And here's already the first livery:

http://www.formularejects.com/imageuplo ... claren.png

Turbogirl · Post by **Turbogirl** » 21 May 2014, 16:18

pi314159 wrote:
Turbogirl wrote:Also, I've started uploading the 1983 templates for this series in my template thread. I'm sticking to the order in the entry list, so the McLaren MP4/2C is up first.

Thanks a lot for the templates. And here's already the first livery:

http://www.formularejects.com/imageuplo ... claren.png

Nice one!

I really miss the good old tobacco sponsorship days. Liveries looked so much better back then (at least the Marlboro-McLaren and the Rothmans-Williams ones did).

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 21 May 2014, 16:20

It appears we have made a slight miscalculation with our engine costs, so the Renault team will transfer 200k to its engine department. Please confirm this soon so we can finally post our chassis and engine development.

We apologize for the slow pace, but we will be ready soon.

UPDATE: I haven't received manufacturer support in the budget. I posted it in the sponsor bid should I not get the tier 1 sponsors. Can someone confirm this?

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 21 May 2014, 16:42

CaptainGetz12 wrote:UPDATE: I haven't received manufacturer support in the budget. I posted it in the sponsor bid should I not get the tier 1 sponsors. Can someone confirm this?

Because you can't get manufacturer support if you bid for title sponsors. Also, try and see if anyone's answered your question before you post it.

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 21 May 2014, 16:54

Salamander wrote:
CaptainGetz12 wrote:UPDATE: I haven't received manufacturer support in the budget. I posted it in the sponsor bid should I not get the tier 1 sponsors. Can someone confirm this?

Because you can't get manufacturer support if you bid for title sponsors. Also, try and see if anyone's answered your question before you post it.

Oh, I didn't see that. My bad.

Can someone post that rule in the wiki page so no one else makes the same mistake?

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 21 May 2014, 18:06

Surtees drivers
Car 1
Chris Amon (150k, 1 year)
John Watson (125k, 1 year)
Jean-Pierre Jarier (100k, 1 year)

Car 2
Brian Henton (150k, 1 year)
Derek Warwick (125k, 1 year)
Teo Fabi (100k, 1 year)
Siegfried Stohr (100k, 1 year)

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 23 May 2014, 15:55

Enzo Coloni wrote:Eh, rest assured Riccardo, you will spend 1981 sleeping with the fishes...

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 29 May 2014, 19:45

Jacques Laffite has offers from Arrows, Shadow and Ligier. Arrows are offering 450 000 for two years, Ligier 650 000 for three years, plus a one-off payment of 750 000, plus a bonus if he scored good results. Shadow are offering 650 000 for three years.
Ligier 1-45
Arrows 46-80
Shadow 81-100
56! Laffite continues with Arrows!

Didier Pironi has offers from Arrows, Ligier and Williams. Arrows are offering 450 000 for two years, Ligier 650 000 for three years, plus a one-off payment of 750 000, plus a bonus if he scored good results. Williams are offering 700 000 for two years, but Pironi is only their third choice for the seat.
Ligier 1-60
Arrows 61-90
Shadow 91-100
44! Pironi stays at Ligier

Riccardo Patrese has offers from Arrows, Osella and Williams. Arrows are offering 400 000 for two years, Osella 400 000 for one year, and Williams 500 000 for two years, but he is way down on their reserve list.
Arrows 1-75
Osella 76-85
Williams 86-100
85! Osella somehow manage to sign Patrese for another year.

Emerson Fittipaldi has offers from Arrows and Osella. Arrows are offering 250 000 for two years, Osella 200 000 for one year, and he is only 5th choice for Osella.
1-70 Signs with Arrows
71-75 tries to get the Osella seat
76-100 retires from Formula 1.
47! Fittipaldi returns to Arrows.

Alan Jones has offers from Ligier, Williams and Tyrrell.
1-80 Ligier
81-98 Waits for Williams’ decision
99-100 Tyrrell
59, he signs for Ligier

Nelson Piquet has offers from Shadow, Williams, Osella and Tyrrell
1-60 Shadow
61-90 Waits for Williams
91-98 Osella
99-100 Tyrrell
4, Shadow!

Jody Scheckter has offers from Shadow and Brabham
1-60 Shadow
61-100 waits for Brabham decision
9, Shadow

Stefan Johansson and Keke Rosberg join Brabham, no RNG is required since both have no other offers, and no reason to leave F1 either.

Gilles Villeneuve has no other offers, so he remains at Ferrari

Elio de Angelis has offers from Ferrari and Williams
1-50 Ferrari
51-100 Williams
84, de Angelis goes to Williams

Thierry Boutsen has offers from Williams, Boro and ATS
1-95 Williams
96-100 Waits for Boro
ATS: Not even considered
54, Boutsen joins Williams

Ronnie Peterson’s only option to continue his F1 career is Osella
1-30 he joins the team
31-100 he doesn’t and retires from F1
23! Peterson joins Osella

Derek Daly has offers from Toleman and Project Four
1-80 stays at Project Four
81-100 joins Toleman
43! Daly stays at Project Four.
Kevin Cogan has offers from Project Four and Boro
1-98 Project Four
99-100 Boro

Derek Warwick has offers from March, Boro, Surtees and Theodore. March and Boro are offering 300 000 each, Surtees 125 000 and Theodore 50 000.
1-75 March
76-95 Boro
96-98 Theodore
99-100 Surtees
38, Warwick signs for March

Andrea de Cesaris has offers from March, Rebaque and Tyrrell. Rebaque are offering 300 000, March 200 000 and Tyrrell 100 000.
1-55 March
56-85 Rebaque
86-100 Tyrrell
76, de Cesaris signs for Rebaque.

Teo Fabi has offers from March, Surtees and Theodore. March are offering him 150 000, Surtees 100 000 and Theodore 25 000.
1-95 March
96-98 Surtees
99-100 Theodore
43, Fabi signs for March

Rene Arnoux has offers from Tyrrell, Boro and Rebaque
1-30 Tyrrell
31-80 Boro
81-100 Rebaque
40, he signs for Boro

Jean-Pierre Jabouille only has an offer from Tyrrell, so he accepts this one.

Chico Serra only has an offer from Lotus, which he accepts.

Chris Amon has only the Surtees offer, but he had a long career, and Surtees aren’t looking competitive.
1-5 signs for Surtees
6-100 retires from Formula 1
56, Amon retires after 18 seasons.

John Watson has offers from Surtees and Toleman
1-10 signs for Surtees
11-100 waits for Toleman
81, Watson waits for Toleman.

Patrick Depailler has an offer from Toleman.
1-40 accepts
41-100 retires from Formula 1.
44, Depailler retires.

Patrick Tambay only has the Toleman offer, so he accepts.

John Watson now has only the Surtees offer left.
1-30 accepts
31-100 leaves F1 for now.
74, Watson prefers to drive somewhere else and leaves Formula 1 for now.

Jean-Pierre Jarier has only the Surtees offer.
1-25 he accepts
26-100 he declines
26, he declines

Brian Henton has offers from Surtees and Theodore
1-40 Surtees
41-70 Waits for Theodore decision
71-100 declines both
6, Henton drives for Surtees in 1981.

Siegfried Stohr only has the Surtees offer.
1-60 Surtees
61-100 declines the Surtees offer.
27, Stohr completes the Surtees lineup

Clay Regazzoni has offers from Rebaque and ATS
1-25 Rebaque
26-30 ATS
31-100 declines both and retires from F1.
8! He signs with Rebaque.

Jacky Ickx has an offer from ATS
1-15 he signs
16-100 decides to focus on driving sports cars for Porsche.

Mario Andretti has an offer from ATS
1-5 he accepts
6-100 he returns to America to compete in CART.
83, he declines the ATS offer.

Jochen Mass has an offer from ATS
1-50 he accepts
51-100 he declines
41, he accepts the offer.

Arie Luyendyk has an offer from Theodore
1-75 he accepts
76-100 he declines
53, he accepts.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 29 May 2014, 20:16

Glad two drivers are actually willing to drive for us