Grand Prix Rejects

Tealy wrote:In my opinion Stefan GP should be allowed to race if Campos or USF1 fail to make Bahrain. Then we can kick out the team that take the longest.

Think I'm being harsh? USF1 and Campos both promised to have a car ready for the 2010 season. The 2010 season starts in Bahrain and Stefan GP have made it, so have Virgin and Lotus. Tough luck guys.

No, I don't think you're harsh. Is pure justice.

For possibly the first and only time in my life, I really hope that what Ecclestone is saying is true. Stefan for life.

I think USF1 will show up at Bahrain. You've seen that they're working on the car.
Campos may not. But anyway, I believe those two will suck so bad that they won't last until the end of the season, especially Campos. Maybe Stefan will be allowed in when that happens?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81382

Clarification that missing races will result in there being penalties for teams, yesterday's speak of no penalties seems to have been crossed-wires somewhere.

Feb 25th is going to be an amazing day.

It seems that both Todt and FIA are right.
A no-show team will be fined/penalized for each missed GP (as per FIA). Also, if the same team misses 3 races, they will be disqualified (Todt).

dragonsteincole wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81382

Clarification that missing races will result in there being penalties for teams, yesterday's speak of no penalties seems to have been crossed-wires somewhere.

Feb 25th is going to be an amazing day.

Why 25th February? Is this when everything gets shipped out to Bahrain?

dr-baker wrote:

dragonsteincole wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81382

Clarification that missing races will result in there being penalties for teams, yesterday's speak of no penalties seems to have been crossed-wires somewhere.

Feb 25th is going to be an amazing day.

Why 25th February? Is this when everything gets shipped out to Bahrain?

I thought it's when they're going to test at Portimão. (Here's hoping for a dark red car...)

dr-baker wrote:Stefan GP is shipping equipment to the 1st FOUR races, even though his team has no entry.

I read that on the BBC today and was mighty impressed, they seem better prepared than USF1 and Campos which begs the question: how could the decision-makers repsonsible for the choice of new teams get it so wrong?

coops wrote:

dr-baker wrote:Stefan GP is shipping equipment to the 1st FOUR races, even though his team has no entry.

I read that on the BBC today and was mighty impressed, they seem better prepared than USF1 and Campos which begs the question: how could the decision-makers repsonsible for the choice of new teams get it so wrong?

At the time of the new team selection progress, all Stefan GP had was enthusiasm and maybe a bit of cash. They didn't have the Toyota package then, and so were not a good choice.

coops wrote:

dr-baker wrote:Stefan GP is shipping equipment to the 1st FOUR races, even though his team has no entry.

I read that on the BBC today and was mighty impressed, they seem better prepared than USF1 and Campos which begs the question: how could the decision-makers repsonsible for the choice of new teams get it so wrong?

I have asked that same question before, but still I have gotten no enlightenment. Therefore, I am prone to believe that FIA had ulterior motives for doing so.
The consequences are that we might have 22 instead of 26 cars in the Australian GP and that FIA should be a strong contender for first ROTR of 2010.

Anyway, today I have read that Stefan GP has signed with Nakajima (son) and Chadhok. That would be interesting, I think it would be the first team to have a full Asian driver line-up.

rffp wrote:Anyway, today I have read that Stefan GP has signed with Nakajima (son) and Chadhok. That would be interesting, I think it would be the first team to have a full Asian driver line-up.

Sooper Aguri in 2006 before they kicked Ide out

Valrys wrote:Sooper Aguri in 2006 before they kicked Yamamoto out

Fixed.

Henrique wrote:

Valrys wrote:Sooper Aguri in 2006 before they kicked Yamamoto out

Fixed.

Just remembered Soopah Aguri. But their line-up was Sato/Ide in the beginning.

And the plot thickens.
I have read two news that concern SGP's progress.

First, good for SGP, bad for USF1. Pecho López has been informed that he will miss at least the first three GPs by Peter Windsor. According to Dieter Recken's column, just published online in Autosport.com, actually USF1 does not even have conditions to make it to the Chinese GP. Time is running short for SGP, but even shorter for USF1.

Second, bad news for SGP. On the same column by Mr. Recken, it is told that Bridgestone might thwart SGP's plans to test at Portimão. The tyre supplier stated that they have no obligation to supply tyres for teams that are not in the FIA F1 entry list. And not even GP2 tyres!

As someone said earlier, wake me up before the Bahrein GP.

rffp wrote:The tyre supplier stated that they have no obligation to supply tyres for teams that are not in the FIA F1 entry list. And not even GP2 tyres!

No obligation? Don't they buy the tyres from Bridgestone? Bridgestone doesn't like money?

Henrique wrote:

rffp wrote:The tyre supplier stated that they have no obligation to supply tyres for teams that are not in the FIA F1 entry list. And not even GP2 tyres!

No obligation? Don't they buy the tyres from Bridgestone? Bridgestone doesn't like money?

I ask the same question as you. I am writing it as I read it.

rffp wrote:

Henrique wrote:

rffp wrote:The tyre supplier stated that they have no obligation to supply tyres for teams that are not in the FIA F1 entry list. And not even GP2 tyres!

No obligation? Don't they buy the tyres from Bridgestone? Bridgestone doesn't like money?

I ask the same question as you. I am writing it as I read it.

It may cause them a lot of upset in supplying the tyres. Maybe they are currently working overtime to produce and ship tyres for the tests and first races, and supplying Stefan may result in losses.

rffp wrote:And the plot thickens.
I have read two news that concern SGP's progress.

First, good for SGP, bad for USF1. Pecho López has been informed that he will miss at least the first three GPs by Peter Windsor. According to Dieter Recken's column, just published online in Autosport.com, actually USF1 does not even have conditions to make it to the Chinese GP. Time is running short for SGP, but even shorter for USF1.

Second, bad news for SGP. On the same column by Mr. Recken, it is told that Bridgestone might thwart SGP's plans to test at Portimão. The tyre supplier stated that they have no obligation to supply tyres for teams that are not in the FIA F1 entry list. And not even GP2 tyres!

As someone said earlier, wake me up before the Bahrein GP.

Damn you Bridgestone! Why don't you try to do a least something memorable in your last season in F1?

coops wrote:I read that on the BBC today and was mighty impressed, they seem better prepared than USF1 and Campos which begs the question: how could the decision-makers repsonsible for the choice of new teams get it so wrong?

I don't think it's a question of why didn't they choose Stefan over Campos or USF1 at that stage. USF1 had stated its desire to apply to F1 even before the budget cap was mentioned, and Campos had racing pedigree in lower formulae. Stefan had no evidence of any technical staff at that stage. The cash problems however, should have been foreseen. They should have given the teams far more time to prepare (e.g. the applications should have been for the 2011 season), but I guess that they didn't want another "Prodrive" to happen. Financial stability of the teams should have been the #1 concern of the FIA.

CarlosFerreira wrote:

Henrique wrote:No obligation? Don't they buy the tyres from Bridgestone? Bridgestone doesn't like money?

It may cause them a lot of upset in supplying the tyres. Maybe they are currently working overtime to produce and ship tyres for the tests and first races, and supplying Stefan may result in losses.

If only Michelin was still present...Why don't they try to buy some tyres to another team?

Phoenix wrote:

CarlosFerreira wrote:

Henrique wrote:No obligation? Don't they buy the tyres from Bridgestone? Bridgestone doesn't like money?

It may cause them a lot of upset in supplying the tyres. Maybe they are currently working overtime to produce and ship tyres for the tests and first races, and supplying Stefan may result in losses.

If only Michelin was still present...Why don't they try to buy some tyres to another team?

USF1 or Campos may be willing to participate in that reallocation of resources.

I beg you to allow ne to refer you to this:


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1034&start=150 (my post).

Stefan may well have a second driver before either Campos or US F1, although it may not be the most popular or the best driver out there...:
http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/81566

Also, Sato will not be in F1 this year, unfortunately....
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81564

Cor, first Ralf and now Jacques. Stefan GP do it Old Skool!

coops wrote:Cor, first Ralf and now Jacques. Stefan GP do it Old Skool!

Prince Bira for the second seat! Who's with me?

Better Jacques than Ralf, IMO.

Everyone's saying USF1 may skip the 2010 season. Stefan GP seems more likely every day.

Henrique wrote:Better Jacques than Ralf, IMO.

Everyone's saying USF1 may skip the 2010 season. Stefan GP seems more likely every day.

The news I read tells that USF1 is in the ICU. They have defaulted their workers wage and suppliers payments, and they have put their real estate on sale.
The end is near.

I think USF1's site is down right now too

Henrique wrote:Better Jacques than Ralf, IMO.

Everyone's saying USF1 may skip the 2010 season. Stefan GP seems more likely every day.

I'd rather see a rejecty rookie take the seat, but I would welcome Jacques back as being a bit of a left-field PDR-like comeback (albeit even more left-field). Certainly more interesting than Ralf.

Doesn't JV look considerably older than Schumi, though?

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/156934/1/has_all-american_dream_usf1_died_a_death.html

Best part:

Windsor is said to have informed the former Renault F1 test driver, his father and his manager Felipe McGough 'with tears in his eyes' that the Charlotte concern will not make the first three races of the campaign, and might well even be forced to miss the year altogether. That would arguably make USF1 the shortest-lived F1 team in history, taking over the mantle from MasterCard Lola, which at least made it to Melbourne for the season-opening Australian Grand Prix in 1997, before folding ahead of the next race in Brazil.

Well that's the spirit!

RIP USF1. The writing was on the wall.

Phoenix wrote:RIP USF1.

That gives me an idea... what if the whole "USF1 is gone"-thing is just a big elaborated hoax? A marketing stunt? And, at the second race, in Melbourne, there will be for some reason a 14th pit slot which will remain completely closed for fans, media, track staff until the last four minutes of Q1, when a lighting bolt strikes the pit lane and everything goes as dark as it can at the afternoon and bells ring in an eerie fashion. The door opens with a lot of smoke and HWNSNBM will drive out with a completely black car to the track, where he crosses the line just in time to do a timed lap which demotes P1 driver Fernando Alonso to P2 by over a whole second.

Yes, I'm insane, thanks for noticing though...

Klon wrote:

Phoenix wrote:RIP USF1.

That gives me an idea... what if the whole "USF1 is gone"-thing is just a big elaborated hoax? A marketing stunt? And, at the second race, in Melbourne, there will be for some reason a 14th pit slot which will remain completely closed for fans, media, track staff until the last four minutes of Q1, when a lighting bolt strikes the pit lane and everything goes as dark as it can at the afternoon and bells ring in an eerie fashion. The door opens with a lot of smoke and HWNSNBM will drive out with a completely black car to the track, where he crosses the line just in time to do a timed lap which demotes P1 driver Fernando Alonso to P2 by over a whole second.

Yes, I'm insane, thanks for noticing though...

Will there be a cake and confetti?

Phoenix wrote:RIP USF1. The writing was on the wall.

Will they get a f1Rejects profile?

We know what teams must achieve to escape rejectdom... How much do they have to achieve before they are even eligible to become a reject???

Are they the first 'super-reject' or 'pre-reject'

Peter Windsor wrote:Well, first we want to become an F1 Reject team. That is our first target.

dr-baker wrote:Stefan may well have a second driver before either Campos or US F1, although it may not be the most popular or the best driver out there...:
http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/81566

Also, Sato will not be in F1 this year, unfortunately....
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81564

Jacques is obviously hankering for the days of being the lead driver of a no hope team. He should stick with his guitar and what is left of his reputation.

ESPN are onto the USF1 funeral procession...

http://en.espnf1.com/teamus/motorsport/story/9004.html

nevermind missing the first three races, they're not even going to have a finished car when this has all gone through. Its a big shame though its easy to see why they were chosen as new entrants - the crash.net article talks about the team being the first american entry since the beatrice attempt in the 80s. There is always a reason for things and why are there no F1 teams in arguably the richest country in the world? Motorsport is massive in America so why shouldn't it work? Thats a question for another day but there was a precedent which USF1 have ignored, and whilst admirable, the decision to do it all in the US was a mistake. The FIA selected USF1 on this one fact. The harsh reality however is that the expertise, the money and the facilities are in Europe which surprise surprise, is where everyone else is located.

Guys who are saying that they wanted to enter F1 even before the budget cap - how on earth would they have managed that if they can't even do it now? Virgin have done it with £40 million and were only 3 seconds off Barrichello's obviously low fuel lap today in Jerez.

Now lets just hope Stefan get given the entry to fill, especially seeing as now Campos are on the road to recovery it seems.

Phoenix wrote:

coops wrote:Cor, first Ralf and now Jacques. Stefan GP do it Old Skool!

Prince Bira for the second seat! Who's with me?

Unsurprisingly, I reckon a dead guy would probably be faster than Ralph

Henrique wrote:I think USF1's site is down right now too

I think USF1's site will soon be redirecting its visitors to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
We all have been rickroll'd, lol

kowalski wrote:Will they get a f1Rejects profile?

How much do they have to achieve before they are even eligible to become a reject???

F1 Rejects Team Index wrote:All a former Formula One team needs to have done to get a page on this site is ...

• to have attempted to qualify at at least 2 Grands Prix
• to have scored 6 points or fewer

MasterCard Lola is eligible for this site as technically they were going to take part in the Brazilian GP too, and had already shipped equipment and drivers there before they went bankrupt.

I wonder if this will become a Pacific-like relic? I for one sincerely hope it does.