2012 German Grand Prix Discussion Thread

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 21 Jul 2012, 09:17

Benetton wrote:Timo Glock P4

Screw Glock, De La Rosa's up to P6. And 19 people have set a time!

Post by **mario** » 21 Jul 2012, 09:17

Peter wrote:
mario wrote:
Peter wrote:I just don't want to see DRS overpowered again. I hated to see Alonso go through all that work and ingeniousness in Canada to jump Vettel and Hamilton, only to have Lewis sail past again like it was nothing.

To be fair, by that point in the race Lewis's pace advantage, at more than a second a lap and growing, was enough to have seen him comfortably past both drivers fairly soon - as it was, Alonso's tyre wear was so severe that Hamilton was already past Alonso before they even reached the DRS activation point, because his superior traction meant that he could simply out accelerate Alonso. Speaking of Canada, they had already tried cutting down the size of the DRS zone in Canada compared to last year for that reason, although the FIA does face something of a difficult balancing act given that they still have relatively little data to work from.

I probably should have been more clear. I meant after Alonso made his first pitstop. He leapfrogged Lewis and Vettel, and his lead only existed from pit exit to the DRS zone.

I see, although Alonso's problems in that race were compounded by a relatively long warm up period for the tyres, which hindered Vettel quite noticeably too (with Hamilton passing Vettel by staying out for longer, something that is unusual this season).

Back to this weekend, we now have three drivers having to make a premature gearbox change and picking up penalties - Red Bull noticed some abnormal data signals from the hydraulics operating the gear selection mechanism, and after carrying out an overnight investigation they found that it was a terminal issue, necessitating a gearbox change. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101341

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 21 Jul 2012, 09:22

Wizzie wrote:
Benetton wrote:Timo Glock P4

Screw Glock, De La Rosa's up to P6. And 19 people have set a time!

This is HRT's race :lol:

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 21 Jul 2012, 09:36

eurobrun wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Benetton wrote:Timo Glock P4

Screw Glock, De La Rosa's up to P6. And 19 people have set a time!

This is HRT's race

HRT 1-2; de la Rosa leads Kathikeyan home by half a minute after 15 people crash out in torrential rain, with Grosjean salvaging a 3rd after having his front wing replaced 2 times. You heard it here first :lol:

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 21 Jul 2012, 09:40

pasta_maldonado wrote:
eurobrun wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Screw Glock, De La Rosa's up to P6. And 19 people have set a time!

This is HRT's race

HRT 1-2; de la Rosa leads Kathikeyan home by half a minute after 15 people crash out in torrential rain, with Grosjean salvaging a 3rd after having his front wing replaced 2 times. You heard it here first

That could have been post of the year until I read the second part

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 21 Jul 2012, 09:49

Grosjean, Webber and.. Rosberg(?) all have 5-place drops now. The rule needs to be scrapped, it's just stupid.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 21 Jul 2012, 09:51

AdrianSutil wrote:Grosjean, Webber and.. Rosberg(?) all have 5-place drops now. The rule needs to be scrapped, it's just stupid.

I agree, I have never liked that rule.

Post by **Londoner** » 21 Jul 2012, 09:53

AdrianSutil wrote:Grosjean, Webber and.. Rosberg(?) all have 5-place drops now. The rule needs to be scrapped, it's just stupid.

This, so so much. It's just ridiculously unfair. They've done nothing wrong, so why should they be punished? :evil:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 21 Jul 2012, 10:01

Far out. It's just started absolutely bucketing down in the last minute

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 21 Jul 2012, 10:01

Go Sergio!!!

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 21 Jul 2012, 10:06

What time is quali shown on BBC? 4-5pm something like that?

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 21 Jul 2012, 10:07

East Londoner wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:Grosjean, Webber and.. Rosberg(?) all have 5-place drops now. The rule needs to be scrapped, it's just stupid.

This, so so much. It's just ridiculously unfair. They've done nothing wrong, so why should they be punished?

I can understand grid drops from causing a crash or ignoring yellow flags (read: Japan 2009 quali, where no less than 5 drivers got grid drops after a Toro Rosso crashed), but a faulty gearbox?! Come on, how can a driver prevent that?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 21 Jul 2012, 10:10

AdrianSutil wrote:
East Londoner wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:Grosjean, Webber and.. Rosberg(?) all have 5-place drops now. The rule needs to be scrapped, it's just stupid.

This, so so much. It's just ridiculously unfair. They've done nothing wrong, so why should they be punished?

I can understand grid drops from causing a crash or ignoring yellow flags (read: Japan 2009 quali, where no less than 5 drivers got grid drops after a Toro Rosso crashed), but a faulty gearbox?! Come on, how can a driver prevent that?

Johnny Herbert did mention during FP3 that if a driver drives too aggressively, especially through too much kerb-hopping, it can damage the gearbox. That being said, the grid penalties are too harsh.

Then again, at least it's not as bad as pretty much anything in the IndyCar rulebook :lol:

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 21 Jul 2012, 10:16

Wizzie wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:
East Londoner wrote:This, so so much. It's just ridiculously unfair. They've done nothing wrong, so why should they be punished?

I can understand grid drops from causing a crash or ignoring yellow flags (read: Japan 2009 quali, where no less than 5 drivers got grid drops after a Toro Rosso crashed), but a faulty gearbox?! Come on, how can a driver prevent that?

Johnny Herbert did mention during FP3 that if a driver drives too aggressively, especially through too much kerb-hopping, it can damage the gearbox. That being said, the grid penalties are too harsh.

Then again, at least it's not as bad as pretty much anything in the IndyCar rulebook

Defend your lead = Disqualified
Wet tyres = Not traditional, so we won't bother

Least it's not CRAPCAR with fans that are only interested in crashes, causing forced caution periods. Oh, and a million points for the winner. And a 100 for the guy who came last :lol:

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 21 Jul 2012, 10:19

pasta_maldonado wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:I can understand grid drops from causing a crash or ignoring yellow flags (read: Japan 2009 quali, where no less than 5 drivers got grid drops after a Toro Rosso crashed), but a faulty gearbox?! Come on, how can a driver prevent that?

Johnny Herbert did mention during FP3 that if a driver drives too aggressively, especially through too much kerb-hopping, it can damage the gearbox. That being said, the grid penalties are too harsh.

Then again, at least it's not as bad as pretty much anything in the IndyCar rulebook

Defend your lead = Disqualified
Wet tyres = Not traditional, so we won't bother

Least it's not CRAPCAR with fans that are only interested in crashes, causing forced caution periods. Oh, and a million points for the winner. And a 100 for the guy who came last

Last time I checked NASCAR now only awards 43 points for a win.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 21 Jul 2012, 10:23

pasta_maldonado wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:[quote="East
I can understand grid drops from causing a crash or ignoring yellow flags (read: Japan 2009 quali, where no less than 5 drivers got grid drops after a Toro Rosso crashed), but a faulty gearbox?! Come on, how can a driver prevent that?

Johnny Herbert did mention during FP3 that if a driver drives too aggressively, especially through too much kerb-hopping, it can damage the gearbox. That being said, the grid penalties are too harsh.

Then again, at least it's not as bad as pretty much anything in the IndyCar rulebook

Defend your lead = Disqualified
Wet tyres = Not traditional, so we won't bother

Don't forget the 10 place grid penalties for every time an Engine Manufacturer bathplugs it up :lol:

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 21 Jul 2012, 11:39

AdrianSutil wrote:What time is quali shown on BBC? 4-5pm something like that?

Qualifying highlights are on at 5pm today, the race highlights are being shown at 5:30pm tomorrow. Both on BBC2.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 21 Jul 2012, 11:57

Huh, Brundle actually just said he prefers the new layout, interesting.

Grid penalties for Rosberg, Webber and GRSJN should mix the grid up a bit too.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:03

Rain expected between :30 and :35?

Almost at the end of Q2?

Post by **Londoner** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:06

The cars seem very nervous and twitchy at the moment. I suppose a consequence of the practice sessions being affected by rain.

Post by **Londoner** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:14

McLaren believe they are safe in Q1, then Hulkenberg puts in a 1:16.2 on softs. :lol:

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:18

Webber in the bottom 7.

Post by **Londoner** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:19

Schumi under pressure as well. Only just scrapes into Q2.

Mr Vergne is in the out yet again. :roll:

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:20

And Vergne is out yet again. Standard procedures.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:21

This is the only time that STR get noticed, when Vergne gets knocked out :lol:

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:22

Top 17 in 0.993, Schumacher gets through, Vergne doesn't, Kovalainen is still a second behind in the Caterham.

Post by **Londoner** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:23

The Reverend says it's raining.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:23

As if Karthikeyan hasn't outqualified a teammate since 2005.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:27

redbulljack14 wrote:As if Karthikeyan hasn't outqualified a teammate since 2005.

It's true. It's damn true :lol:

Post by **Londoner** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:28

It's raining! Bunsen and The Reverend are on inters.

Inters are the wrong tyres judging by how Bunsen is struggling for grip. Full wets are needed.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:31

Fernando IS faster than you :lol:

Post by **Londoner** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:32

I wonder who's gonna smack it into the barriers first. They're all over the shop!

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:35

East Londoner wrote:I wonder who's gonna smack it into the barriers first. They're all over the shop!

All over the shop you say?

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:38

Rosberg and GRSJN are having a nightmare today, another race of mediocrity for Rosberg tomorrow?

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:39

We could very well find the reject of the race soon.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:44

Rosberg a whopping 3.5 seconds behind Schumacher. If he didn't set his car up for wet conditions, I can somewhat understand a difference, but not this much - so this is a big FAIL.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:47

First words I hear from the One idiots:

"And such a shame for Daniel Ricciardo, juuuuuuuust missing out on Q3 there."

No mention of the rain, it's like they expect him to make Q3 on a regular basis

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:49

the Masked Lapwing wrote:First words I hear from the One idiots:

"And such a shame for Daniel Ricciardo, juuuuuuuust missing out on Q3 there."

No mention of the rain, it's like they expect him to make Q3 on a regular basis

It's bias, what did you expect?
I could give you a hundred examples when HWNSNBM raced in F1 when RTL Klub aired F1 in Hungary!

Post by **Londoner** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:51

Nico Hulkenberg attempting to shorten the Hockenheim circuit even further. :lol:

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 21 Jul 2012, 12:52

Shizuka wrote:
the Masked Lapwing wrote:First words I hear from the One idiots:

"And such a shame for Daniel Ricciardo, juuuuuuuust missing out on Q3 there."

No mention of the rain, it's like they expect him to make Q3 on a regular basis

It's bias, what did you expect?
I could give you a hundred examples when HWNSNBM raced in F1 when RTL Klub aired F1 in Hungary!

It's HWNSNBM, your point is invalid.