F1WRCR 1953 season - Post-season prize money up!

[FantometteBR]

Maserati will name it's chassis AM53 and the engine 200F.

More details about the money disposal for both enteprises soon

[Shadaza]

I am quite confused about where my team Ultimate operation stands.

They make their own chassis and it isn't on the list so do I have to wait for the main factory teams?
The same is true of my customer Ferrari outfit, I have to wait for the main Ferrari team to build their cars first?

[tommykl]

Bentley's chassis shall be designated the Speed 3, with our engine the Bentley 163-1. (16 for cylinders, 3 for litres, and 1 for Formula 1).

If I was to go for the second most expensive chassis and engine, after subtracting design costs, how many chassis complete with engine could I build?

Theoretically, 7, but if you didn't sell some of them, you would barely be able to enter a race or two...

Ferrari will design and build 4 of the best chassis, designated the Ferrari 555, and 4 of the best engines, designated the Ferrari 555 as well. 3 will be for Scuderia Ferrari, and one will be given to Ferrari America for $80,000. If they don't take up the option, then cancel the order. In addition, we will provide Ferrari America with two Ferrari 550s (the third-best chassis + fourth-best engine) free of charge.

All of that should leave Ferrari with just over half their budget left (more if Ferrari America don't take the 555).

EDIT: The 550 chassis and engine will also be available for customer teams for prices to be determined later.

Awaiting Shadaza's answer, I'll take into account all that is certain, which means three 555 chassis and engines. Once something is built, it can hardly be unbuilt

Are the 250.000 my budget for chassis, engine and the works team, or only for chassis and engine?

It's the whole budget. O.S.C.A. is a small manufacturer, and you're only planning on running a single car. 250 000 pounds is enough to build a decent car and make it to every race, even Sebring (the trip from Europe and back would cost approximately 20 000 pounds).

I am quite confused about where my team Ultimate operation stands.

They make their own chassis and it isn't on the list so do I have to wait for the main factory teams?
The same is true of my customer Ferrari outfit, I have to wait for the main Ferrari team to build their cars first?

It wasn't on the list because you hadn't signed up yet Anyway, you've now been given a budget of £350 000.

Since your customer Ferrari team isn't a manufacturer, you can't sign up yet. Customer entries will open up in the next few days.

[FMecha]

Aqua will take this option: 37 500//9 375//9-15

That means we will have 3,125 cr left for engines. The engine shall be known as SAMC 1A (SAMC stands for Scuderia Aqua Motori de Competizione - Scuderia Aqua Racing Engines).

[pi314159]

O.S.C.A. will invest:
80 000 on chassis development
52 500 on engine development
and build one car called the OSCA 53
with an engine called 3000V8

We'll build three of the OSCA 3000V8 engines, one for the factory team, and two which will be offered to customers for 20 000 credits.

[Shadaza]

Team Ultimate engineers will work on the (80k design chassis) and construct 2 for a total cost of 120, 000. The design is the Ultimate 002. The first Chassis will be designated the 002a and the second the 002b.

Important We are hunting for an engine supplier! We believe our team offers a great platform for any engine manufacturer and our team is a fast growing operation that aims to be climbing the ranks over the next few years. Engines must cost us no more than 50k. Either multi year deals or engine by engine based deals are fine, but we are looking for a long term supplier.

Ferrari will design and build 4 of the best chassis, designated the Ferrari 555, and 4 of the best engines, designated the Ferrari 555 as well. 3 will be for Scuderia Ferrari, and one will be given to Ferrari America for $80,000. If they don't take up the option, then cancel the order. In addition, we will provide Ferrari America with two Ferrari 550s (the third-best chassis + fourth-best engine) free of charge.

All of that should leave Ferrari with just over half their budget left (more if Ferrari America don't take the 555).

EDIT: The 550 chassis and engine will also be available for customer teams for prices to be determined later.

Once the customer block opens up, Ferrari America will be very interested in taking up the 555 and of course give thanks for the free 550's. The whole deal is very generous.

[tommykl]

Team Ultimate will purchase the 3rd best Chassis (80k design one) and buy 2 of those for a total cost of 120, 000.

Important We are hunting for an engine supplier! We believe our team offers a great platform for any engine manufacturer and our team is a fast growing operation that aims to be climbing the ranks over the next few years. Engines must cost us no more than 50k.

Ferrari will design and build 4 of the best chassis, designated the Ferrari 555, and 4 of the best engines, designated the Ferrari 555 as well. 3 will be for Scuderia Ferrari, and one will be given to Ferrari America for $80,000. If they don't take up the option, then cancel the order. In addition, we will provide Ferrari America with two Ferrari 550s (the third-best chassis + fourth-best engine) free of charge.

All of that should leave Ferrari with just over half their budget left (more if Ferrari America don't take the 555).

EDIT: The 550 chassis and engine will also be available for customer teams for prices to be determined later.

Once the customer block opens up, Ferrari America will be very interested in taking up the 555 and of course give thanks for the free 550's. The whole deal is very generous.

Well, since you're technically also a factory team, you can get the Ferraris now.

[Shadaza]

Team Ultimate will purchase the 3rd best Chassis (80k design one) and buy 2 of those for a total cost of 120, 000.

Important We are hunting for an engine supplier! We believe our team offers a great platform for any engine manufacturer and our team is a fast growing operation that aims to be climbing the ranks over the next few years. Engines must cost us no more than 50k.

Ferrari will design and build 4 of the best chassis, designated the Ferrari 555, and 4 of the best engines, designated the Ferrari 555 as well. 3 will be for Scuderia Ferrari, and one will be given to Ferrari America for $80,000. If they don't take up the option, then cancel the order. In addition, we will provide Ferrari America with two Ferrari 550s (the third-best chassis + fourth-best engine) free of charge.

All of that should leave Ferrari with just over half their budget left (more if Ferrari America don't take the 555).

EDIT: The 550 chassis and engine will also be available for customer teams for prices to be determined later.

Once the customer block opens up, Ferrari America will be very interested in taking up the 555 and of course give thanks for the free 550's. The whole deal is very generous.

Well, since you're technically also a factory team, you can get the Ferraris now.

Then I shall, the whole lot should come leave me with a budget of 150k left.
Also I edited in a name for the Chassis .

[pasta_maldonado]

The Bentley Speed-3 will be designed at a cost of £80k. We will build 3 chassis for ourselves.

The Bentley 163-1 will be designed at a cost of £45k, and we will build 3 for ourselves, with the option for more if th demand is enough (see below)

For customer teams, we will manufacture the Bentley 53C. IF there is demand, it will be designed at a cost of £60k

Privateers: Bentley are selling our 53C chassis and 163-1 engine!

A 53C chassis will cost £45k, and our superb 163-1 engine will cost 30k!

If the numbers look right, BBRM will approve the manufacture of our works cars and engines.

[pi314159]

O.S.C.A. are selling their 3000V8 engine for 20 000 credits.

[DanielPT]

Alfa Romeo will Design the best possible chassis and the best possible engine (160 000). Plus it will produce 3 of each (total of 120 000). The Alfa Chassis will be named Alfa Romeo 160 and the engine will be named Alfa Romeo V8. Both can be abreviated AR160 and ARV8, too keep it short. Alfa also places both available on the market. Each chassis will cost 40 000 and 2 for 70 000. As for the engines the prices are 25000 for 1 and 45000 for 2.

[Shadaza]

O.S.C.A. are selling their 3000V8 engine for 20 000 credits.

Team Ultimate would be interested in 2 engines for 40, 000 credits.
How flexible would the outfit be on price should further engines be needed for the 1953 season?

(The majority of the season Ultimate will only enter one car)

[pi314159]

O.S.C.A. are selling their 3000V8 engine for 20 000 credits.

Team Ultimate would be interested in 2 engines for 40, 000 credits.
How flexible would the outfit be on price should further engines be needed for the 1953 season?

(The majority of the season Ultimate will only enter one car)

Should further engines be needed, we would offer them for 15 000 credits.

[Klon]

Alright. Mercedes-Benz builds three chassis (designation: Mercedes-Benz WM-1) in the 60 000//15 000//12-18 range.

Furthermore we build twelve engines (designation: Mercedes-Benz UM153) in the 60 000//15 000//18-24 range, which are up to sale right now for the reasonable price of 22,000 pound sterling per engine.

All in all that should cost us 345,000 pound sterling

[Shadaza]

O.S.C.A. are selling their 3000V8 engine for 20 000 credits.

Team Ultimate would be interested in 2 engines for 40, 000 credits.
How flexible would the outfit be on price should further engines be needed for the 1953 season?

(The majority of the season Ultimate will only enter one car)

Should further engines be needed, we would offer them for 15 000 credits.

The price seems very reasonable, I will indeed purchase both engines. I hope we both have great success. .

[pasta_maldonado]

The Bentley Speed-3 will be designed at a cost of £80k. We will build 3 chassis for ourselves.

The Bentley 163-1 will be designed at a cost of £45k, and we will build 3 for ourselves, with the option for more if th demand is enough (see below)

For customer teams, we will manufacture the Bentley 53C. IF there is demand, it will be designed at a cost of £60k

Privateers: Bentley are selling our 53C chassis and 163-1 engine!

A 53C chassis will cost £45k, and our superb 163-1 engine will cost 30k!

If the numbers look right, BBRM will approve the manufacture of our works cars and engines.

Actually, we will sell the 53C chassis for £15k (if anyone wants it), and our Speed-3 chassis will be sold at a price of £29k . We will sell our engine for £28k. We will not design the 53C chassis or build additional Speed-3 chassis or 163-1 engines until we have orders.

[FMecha]

Can I keep previous season's chassis, since it appears my budget are eaten up on making engines?

[Phoenix]

We'll purchase 4 Mercedes engines. It's possible we'll only enter for selected races this season.

[AdrianSutil]

Any problems let me know:

ART-Gordini chassis name: G-953
ART-Gordini engine name: ART-004

Gordini will design and therefore purchase two of the best chassis.
Gordini will design and therefore purchase three of the best engines with one being sold for half price. Still new to the pricing so hopefully that has left us with about £150'000 for the season.

[HawkAussie]

Alright. Mercedes-Benz builds three chassis (designation: Mercedes-Benz WM-1) in the 60 000//15 000//12-18 range.

Furthermore we build twelve engines (designation: Mercedes-Benz UM153) in the 60 000//15 000//18-24 range, which are up to sale right now for the reasonable price of 22,000 pound sterling per engine.

All in all that should cost us 345,000 pound sterling

EMW would like to buy 2 Mercedes-Benz UM153 for 44,000
EMW 01 Chassis (50,000 + 12,500)

Which would leave me 43,500 left in the bank

[Samster]

Are Ambrosiana able to build their own chassis? Either way we would like to buy two Alfa Romeo engines if possible.

We would also like to retain both Bracco and Rubirosa as our drivers.

[TomWazzleshaw]

Since it looks like we may have some difficulty shifting engines, Jaguar will make a special offer of $20 000 per engine if bought in conjunction with an Aston Martin chassis.

[pasta_maldonado]

Bentley have decided to reduce the asking price for our 53C chassis to £15,000, and our 163-1 engine to £17,000. Our Speed-3 chassis is also available for the meagre sum of £20,000!.

[the Masked Lapwing]

Ferrari will offer complete 550 packages for £29,500. The 550 chassis only will cost £22,000 and the 550 engines only will cost £10,000. Loyal customers (i.e. those that buy at least 2 complete cars) will be given a cheap 555 next season.

[FantometteBR]

Maserati will spend to design the AM53 70,000 to design and 52000 build three chassis for the team's own use and, by now, other one for any customer team that wants to use it for the season.

For engines, we are going to spend three engines (two for the teams and one for the customer car), at the price of 45000. (building costs at 33750)

The customer car will be available for any team for 40000 (we might build another costumer car if the remaining money allows us to)

(had to edit after seeing better the 'calculation)

[tommykl]

Can I keep previous season's chassis, since it appears my budget are eaten up on making engines?

Well, when I gave you that budget, I didn't expect you to design such an expensive engine I'll exceptionnally grant you another £25 000, which should be enough to buy a cheap chassis from another constructor.

We'll purchase 4 Mercedes engines. It's possible we'll only enter for selected races this season.

No problem with that, although you'll need to specify which four of the 12 available engines you'll purchase (each one has a different performance rating, to keep things interesting and realistic).

Any problems let me know:

ART-Gordini chassis name: G-953
ART-Gordini engine name: ART-004

Gordini will design and therefore purchase two of the best chassis.
Gordini will design and therefore purchase three of the best engines with one being sold for half price. Still new to the pricing so hopefully that has left us with about £150'000 for the season.

The only problems are a) does half price mean half of the design costs (£30 000)? and b) you're actually left with £445 000 for the season

Alright. Mercedes-Benz builds three chassis (designation: Mercedes-Benz WM-1) in the 60 000//15 000//12-18 range.

Furthermore we build twelve engines (designation: Mercedes-Benz UM153) in the 60 000//15 000//18-24 range, which are up to sale right now for the reasonable price of 22,000 pound sterling per engine.

All in all that should cost us 345,000 pound sterling

EMW would like to buy 2 Mercedes-Benz UM153 for 44,000
EMW 01 Chassis (50,000 + 12,500)

Which would leave me 43,500 left in the bank

Like Phoenix, you simply need to specify which of the 12 Mercedes engines you would like to buy.

Are Ambrosiana able to build their own chassis? Either way we would like to buy two Alfa Romeo engines if possible.

We would also like to retain both Bracco and Rubirosa as our drivers.

Of course they are. Your budget is £300 000.

Since it looks like we may have some difficulty shifting engines, Jaguar will make a special offer of $20 000 per engine if bought in conjunction with an Aston Martin chassis.

That's because customer teams aren't being entered yet, be patient

[HawkAussie]

Alright. Mercedes-Benz builds three chassis (designation: Mercedes-Benz WM-1) in the 60 000//15 000//12-18 range.

Furthermore we build twelve engines (designation: Mercedes-Benz UM153) in the 60 000//15 000//18-24 range, which are up to sale right now for the reasonable price of 22,000 pound sterling per engine.

All in all that should cost us 345,000 pound sterling

EMW would like to buy 2 Mercedes-Benz UM153 for 44,000
EMW 01 Chassis (50,000 + 12,500)

Which would leave me 43,500 left in the bank

Like Phoenix, you simply need to specify which of the 12 Mercedes engines you would like to buy.

Engine 3 and 9

[pycku]

Leader is going to participate in 1953. We would like to race with our own constructed chassis and Luigi as a driver, but this will become clear once we are aware what budget we have.

As for now we declare we are here and working on our own chassis.

[tommykl]

Leader is going to participate in 1953. We would like to race with our own constructed chassis and Luigi as a driver, but this will become clear once we are aware what budget we have.

As for now we declare we are here and working on our own chassis.

You've been allowed £125 000 as a budget.

[TomWazzleshaw]

Leader is going to participate in 1953. We would like to race with our own constructed chassis and Luigi as a driver, but this will become clear once we are aware what budget we have.

As for now we declare we are here and working on our own chassis.

Jaguar will be happy to give you a works-spec engine for just $25 000 if you want

[pycku]

Leader is going to participate in 1953. We would like to race with our own constructed chassis and Luigi as a driver, but this will become clear once we are aware what budget we have.

As for now we declare we are here and working on our own chassis.

Jaguar will be happy to give you a works-spec engine for just $25 000 if you want

Thanks for your offer, but first of all, I'd like to see what budget we have. Then I'll invest money on chassis and only after that I'll see how much I have for engines. As for now your offer is taken into consideration, but that is all i can say now.

[pi314159]

O.S.C.A. would give you engines for 20 000.

[DanielPT]

Are Ambrosiana able to build their own chassis? Either way we would like to buy two Alfa Romeo engines if possible.

We would also like to retain both Bracco and Rubirosa as our drivers.

It is indeed possible. It's a deal!

[AdrianSutil]

Yeah I don't really get the whole budget thing and how the pricing works. I don't understand the point of buying an expensive engine and then selling it for half-price. I'm just doing what everyone else is doing tbh.

As for the engine being sold, I don't know how that works. This is all probably ruthlessly simple but I just can't seem to understand it all.

[pycku]

If I get it right, this is our budget as a producer and as a racing team. Is there driver payments and race taxes to be paid later on, or my expenditures will be only for chassis(es) and engine(s)? Also - is it allowed to be in debt and which is the debt limit (I cant see any information).

As for now - we are planning to construct one chassis (model LF153) just for us and buy engine from a manufacturer. When we get the answer to questions above, I'll announce how much will we invest in our chassis. In terms of engines - we are interested in Jaguar (they first offered us) and Mercedes (seems to be a good engine at reasonable price).

[tommykl]

Yeah I don't really get the whole budget thing and how the pricing works. I don't understand the point of buying an expensive engine and then selling it for half-price. I'm just doing what everyone else is doing tbh.

As for the engine being sold, I don't know how that works. This is all probably ruthlessly simple but I just can't seem to understand it all.

They're not selling the engine for half the price it's built, but half the price of the design, which is actually double the price at which it's built. It was just poor word choice by FantometteBR (although to be fair, English is probably not his first language).

Basically, this is a lot like the system for the F1RWRS. You have a set budget, and you can choose to either build your own chassis and/or engine, or buy them from someone else. The figures I posted apply when you build them yourself. The first number is a one-time price to design the chassis or engine, the second figure is the price you pay every time you build one of them and the third figure is the range of performance within which the performance of the chassis or engine will be.

If you invest more, you have more chance of having a faster car, but a manufacturer who invested slightly less might end up with a better package. To add realism (since back then, cars weren't exactly precisely engineered), all the chassis of a certain model won't necessarily have the same performance either, so, for example, the Ferrari 555 chassis is between 24 and 30, the first could be at 27, the second at 26, the third at 29, etc.

The selling prices are set by the manufacturers themselves, and are higher than the building prices, in order to make up the losses, but since the customers don't have to design them, they actually spend less money than they would have done if they'd built their own. I hope that was clear enough

If I get it right, this is our budget as a producer and as a racing team. Is there driver payments and race taxes to be paid later on, or my expenditures will be only for chassis(es) and engine(s)? Also - is it allowed to be in debt and which is the debt limit (I cant see any information).

Drivers do not require payment, but race entries do, as does shipping the car to the actual races (which is why stating where the team is based will be necessary).

Debts are not allowed for now, but your budget is definitely enough to build a decent chassis, find a reasonable engine and regularly enter races (depending on where the team is based).

[pycku]

Which means that it would be much better (cheaper) if our team is located in West Germany rather than China.

This is why our mysterious owner is building a new factory to West Germany (maybe Dortmund). Is it possible to use this base and race under Chinese license, or we have to switch that?

Also - can you tell me approximately how much will it cost for one car from West Germany to participate in all races (so that I can decide how much to invest in LF153 chassis)?

Thanks in advance!

[tommykl]

Which means that it would be much better (cheaper) if our team is located in West Germany rather than China.

This is why our mysterious owner is building a new factory to West Germany (maybe Dortmund). Is it possible to use this base and race under Chinese license, or we have to switch that?

Also - can you tell me approximately how much will it cost for one car from West Germany to participate in all races (so that I can decide how much to invest in LF153 chassis)?

Thanks in advance!

It's perfectly okay to race under a Chinese license and be based in West Germany. You've essentially got the headquarters and the factory in two different places, and I don't see the problem with that.

And the costs depend on whether you'd like the car to return to the factory between races. I'll always assume that cars will go straight to the following race unless the team specifies otherwise. This is because upgrades require the car to return to the factory (more on that in the next few days). With travel costs of £1 per km traveled, simply going from race to race (including Sebring) would cost roughly £20 000. If you exclude Sebring, it's about £5 000.

[pycku]

Thank for information.

We are happy to announce our plans about LF153: We are going to invest 70 000 pounds in designing it.

Then we are going to produce one car. If there is anyone interested, we may produce a new chassis at the price of 19 500 or 38 000 for two chassis.

As for engines, we would like to negotiate a deal with Mercedes, if they are interested in this.

[Phoenix]

Phoenix Racing Organisation purchases Mercedes engines 7, 8, 10 and 11.