Grand Prix Rejects

Posted: **13 Apr 2017, 20:31**

Zakspeed drivers:
Bellof
Streiff

Posted: **13 Apr 2017, 20:40**

Ligier:

Driver 1:
1 Philippe Streiff
2 Philippe Alliot
3 Wait

Driver 2:
1 Alain Ferté
2 Wait

Posted: **13 Apr 2017, 20:58**

Toleman
Driver 1 :
Mansell
Boutsen
*wait*
Driver 2 :
Alan Jones
Keke Rosberg
*wait*

Posted: **13 Apr 2017, 21:35**

Lola:

Elio de Angelis
Derek Warwick
*Wait*

Posted: **13 Apr 2017, 21:45**

Scuderia Ferrari would like to sign the following drivers:
Car 1:
Alain Prost
Nigel Mansell

Car 2:
Elio de Angelis
Nigel Mansell

Car 3:
Vacant

Posted: **13 Apr 2017, 21:57**

Driver 1:
Nigel Mansell
Elio de Angelis
*wait*

Driver 2:
Elio de Angelis
*wait*
*wait*

Posted: **13 Apr 2017, 22:14**

McLaren want to approach for Ayrton Senna and will wait for next round to see the availabilty of Piquet and Arnoux for another year of their partnership

Posted: **14 Apr 2017, 19:37**

Alfa Romeo will Approach Aryton Senna and will wait for the next round

Posted: **15 Apr 2017, 08:30**

Tyrrell

Car 1:
Elio de Angelis
Derek Warwick
*Wait*

Car 2:
Jean-Pierre Jarier
Teo Fabi
*Wait*

Posted: **15 Apr 2017, 09:24**

Williams would like to make the following offers

Car 1:
Mansell
Senna
Bellof

Car 2
Senna (If not in car 1)
Bellof (If not in car 1)
Will wait until round 2

Posted: **18 Apr 2017, 14:50**

Thanks everyone~!

I just need bids from...

tommykl (Spirit)
RedEyes504 (BMW)
Ice1Racing (Brabham)
TheFlyingCaterham (Osella Squadra Corse Alfa)

Posted: **18 Apr 2017, 15:54**

Spirit will attempt to sign Corrado Fabi. If this does not work, we will wait until the second stage.

Posted: **19 Apr 2017, 08:35**

BMW Bids

Driver #1
We will wait for stage 2

Driver #2
1. Steffan Bellof
2. Manfred Winkelhock

Posted: **21 Apr 2017, 17:57**

While we await...

Ice1Racing's (Brabham)...

...and...

...TheFlyingCaterham's (Osella Squadra Corse Alfa)...

...driver bids (hurry-up, you two...

), I've added a new 'rankings' feature at the start of the thread. It shows a rainbow-coloured list of each team's car's performance statistics in an ordered list, along with the difference from the leader. A power-to-weight ratio (lb/HP and kW/kg) measurement will also be added, once engine signing has taken place.

For anyone curious about my sanity, I promise you that I didn't spend all-night making the list by hand; I spent all-night writing a computer thingy to generate the post syntax for me to paste in, thus ensuring I'll just be pressing a button and pasting the spaghetti into the post after each subsequent race.

Posted: **21 Apr 2017, 18:11**

BioBiro wrote:While we await...

Ice1Racing's (Brabham)...

...and...

...TheFlyingCaterham's (Osella Squadra Corse Alfa)...

...driver bids (hurry-up, you two... ), I've added [url=https://gprejects.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8008&p=3
76472#p376467]a new 'rankings' feature at the start of the thread[/url]. It shows a rainbow-coloured list of each team's car's performance statistics in an ordered list, along with the difference from the leader. A power-to-weight ratio (lb/HP and kW/kg) measurement will also be added, once engine signing has taken place.

For anyone curious about my sanity, I promise you that I didn't spend all-night making the list by hand; I spent all-night writing a computer thingy to generate the post syntax for me to paste in, thus ensuring I'll just be pressing a button and pasting the spaghetti into the post after each subsequent race.

I'm not last in anything :shock:

Posted: **21 Apr 2017, 22:11**

BioBiro wrote:Downforce:
1.) Ferrari - 90%
2.) Lotus - 64% (-26%)
3.) Williams - 63% (-27%)

Mechanical Grip:
1.) Ferrari - 94%
2.) Brabham - 77% (-17%)
3.) Lotus - 72% (-22%)

Posted: **21 Apr 2017, 22:33**

It appears we have the fourth or fifth best chassis and only have a couple of major shortcomings (mechanical grip is terrible, and the car's a bit heavy) this year chassis-wise, unlike how awful the A7 was in launch spec- with this far better baseline I think Arrows can be confident of some kind of consistent points scoring (or I've just jinxed things...)

Posted: **21 Apr 2017, 23:46**

Brabham

Driver 1 - Nigel Mansell / Alain Prost / John Watson
Driver 2 - Elio de Angelis / Thierry Boutsen

Posted: **22 Apr 2017, 00:45**

Thanks, Ice1Racing

.

DemocalypseNow wrote:(Benny from ABBA nodding his head)

I was almost worried your car was 'OP', but you put so many resources into developing your car for next season, with your squad of three cars for super-concurrent testing, it makes sense.

This Could Be You wrote:...unlike how awful the A7 was in launch spec

Was that the Arrows where it had a design fault, that caused one of the pushrods in the front suspension to pierce through the chassis when you turned the front wheels too much (like at a hairpin), or something? I'm sure Arrows had a car that did that around this time :roll:

. I'm not imagining that, am I~?! :twisted:

Posted: **22 Apr 2017, 08:51**

BioBiro wrote:I've added a new 'rankings' feature at the start of the thread. It shows a rainbow-coloured list of each team's car's performance.
For anyone curious about my sanity, I promise you that I didn't spend all-night making the list by hand.

And here is an overall ranking of the chassis, but not so well formatted as yours:

Ferrari - 9
Williams - 10
Lotus - 15
Minardi - 19
Brabham - 23
Arrows - 33
BMW - 39
McLaren - 41
Osella - 43
Lola - 45
Tyrrell - 47
Alfa Romeo - 49
RAM - 50
Toleman - 54
Zakspeed - 60
Ligier - 61
Spirit - 63

Posted: **22 Apr 2017, 08:55**

BioBiro wrote:Thanks, Ice1Racing .

DemocalypseNow wrote:(Benny from ABBA nodding his head)
I was almost worried your car was 'OP', but you put so many resources into developing your car for next season, with your squad of three cars for super-concurrent testing, it makes sense.

This Could Be You wrote:...unlike how awful the A7 was in launch spec
Was that the Arrows where it had a design fault, that caused one of the pushrods in the front suspension to pierce through the chassis when you turned the front wheels too much (like at a hairpin), or something? I'm sure Arrows had a car that did that around this time . I'm not imagining that, am I~?!

I think that was 86

Posted: **22 Apr 2017, 10:17**

Aislabie wrote:And here is an overall ranking of the chassis, but not so well formatted as yours:

17. Spirit - 63

Oh, superb.

Posted: **24 Apr 2017, 08:34**

tommykl wrote:
Aislabie wrote:And here is an overall ranking of the chassis, but not so well formatted as yours:

17. Spirit - 63

Oh, superb.

That's the Spirit.

I'm sorry.

Posted: **26 Apr 2017, 20:54**

Driver 1:
John Watson

Driver 2:
Teo Fabi
Ayrton Senna

If we don't get these drivers then I'll wait for stage two.

Posted: **27 Apr 2017, 20:10**

Driver Signing Results - Set One (Of Two)
RAM signs Derek Daly!

Alain Ferté signs to drive Ligier's second car!

Alan Jones will be in the second Toleman!

Arrows retain Finnish, former champion, Keke Rosberg.

Corrado Fabi:
Minardi - 87% chance (Same nationality and existing customer bonus!)
RAM - 6% chance
Spirit - 6% chance
Spirit gets it!
...Seriously?!

Nicola Larini signs with Minardi!

Alain Prost:
Ferrari - 57% chance (Existing customer bonus)
Brabham - 42% chance
Ferrari gets it!

Nigel Mansell:
Toleman - 9% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Ferrari (first car) - 12% chance
Ferrari (second car) - 12% chance
Lotus - 31% chance (Same nationality and existing customer bonus!)
Williams - 11% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Brabham - 23% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Lotus gets it!

John Watson:
Brabham - 94% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Osella Squadra Corse Alfa - 5% chance
Brabham gets it!

Elio de Angelis:
Lola - 1% chance
Ferrari - 33% chance (Same nationality and existing customer bonus!)
Lotus (first car) - 17% chance
Lotus (second car) - 17% chance
Tyrrell - 11% chance
Brabham - 18% chance
Lotus (second car) gets it!

Thierry Boutsen:
Toleman - 38% chance (Existing customer bonus)
Brabham - 61% chance
Toleman gets it!

Derek Warwick:
Lola - 4% chance
Tyrrell - 95% chance (Same nationality and existing customer bonus!)
Tyrrell gets it!

Jean-Pierre Jarier:
Lola - 11% chance
Tyrrell - 88% chance
Tyrrell gets it!

Teo Fabi signs with Osella Squadra Corse Alfa!

Ayrton Senna:
McLaren - 34% chance
Alfa Romeo - 8% chance
Williams (first car) - 28% chance (Existing customer bonus)
Williams (second car) - 28% chance (Existing customer bonus)
Williams (first car) gets it!

Steffan Bellof:
Arrows - 6% chance
Zakspeed - 26% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Williams - 33% chance (Existing customer bonus)
BMW - 34% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Williams gets it!

Manfred Winkelhock:
Arrows - 15% chance
BMW - 85% chance (Same nationality bonus)
BMW gets it!

Philippe Streiff:
Zakspeed - 11% chance
Ligier - 88% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Ligier gets it!

tl;dr

Brabham signed John Watson.
Lotus signed Nigel Mansell and Elio de Angelis.
Ferrari signed Alain Prost.
Tyrrell signed Derek Warwick and Jean-Pierre Jarier.
BMW signed Manfred Winkelhock.
Williams signed Ayrton Senna and Steffan Bellof.
Arrows signed Keke Rosberg.
Osella Squadra Corse Alfa signed Teo Fabi.
Toleman signed Alan Jones and Thierry Boutsen.
Spirit signed Corrado Fabi.
Ligier signed Alain Ferté and Philippe Streiff.
Minardi signed Nicola Larini.
RAM signed Derek Daly.

McLaren, Alfa Romeo, Zakspeed and Lola all failed to sign any drivers.

Posted: **27 Apr 2017, 20:13**

Special Event - Lotus
It has emerged, through domestic British and world-wide motorsport press reporting, that Lotus' Formula One team is on the verge of financial collapse:

BioBiro wrote:Lotus

Nationality: British
Starting budget: £1,413,093
Remaining budget: £1,413,093

novitopoli wrote:Driver 1:
Nigel Mansell
Elio de Angelis
*wait*

Driver 2:
Elio de Angelis
*wait*
*wait*

BioBiro wrote:Nigel Mansell, Nationality: British, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £3,400,000
Elio de Angelis, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £1,900,000

BioBiro wrote:Lotus signed Nigel Mansell and Elio de Angelis.

BioBiro wrote:Lotus

Nationality: British
Starting budget: £1,413,093
Remaining budget: -£3,886,907

BioBiro wrote:Teams may go into debt. Your lending limit is your starting budget. Any team that is in-debt to more than the amount of their budget at the start of the season (a starting budget of £7,500,000 means you may borrow as much as £-7,500,000) will be declared bankrupt and immediately disqualified from the series.

A spokesman from National Westminster Bank, who handle the team's corporate banking affairs, said "The team were in debt to almost three-times their authorized lending limit. We are happy to provide overdraft services up to a considerable amount for an established company such as Lotus, but their spending in the first quarter of the year has simply been too much. Frankly, I've never seen such financial irresponsibility take place so quickly, in a mid-size business, like this."

'Team Lotus' split from 'Lotus Engineering' - who own the production-car side of the group - in 1954, and since 1958 have been regulator competitors in Formula One. The two companies are independently registered - both in the UK - and Peter Warr has stated in the media, as recently as a 1982 interview, that "[the two entities] are completely separate. They always have been. There is no financial relationship between the sports car manufacturing and the racing team. It's always been that way to protect - the way Colin set it up - to protect and isolate the two parts of the business from each other."

Attempts were made, by Lotus' senior management, to attract white-knight investment from the team's previous sponsors - Candy, ICI Tactel and Marlboro, in addition to enticing Renault back into the sport, having supplied the team with competitive engines last season - but were not successful.

Due to the perceived public opinion of such a significant sport-related business failure, the British government intervened by way of an emergency parliamentary session. It was hoped that a deal could be made with British Leyland - with one of the group's major auto brands part-owning the team and providing major sponsorship - but it has proved a futile effort, despite a written guarantee from HM Treasury that the team's debts will be settled by the British government, should they prove greater than currently estimated.

With newly-retained Nigel Mansell's contract by far the most financially-volatile element in the situation, Lotus' legal counsel have informed management of the awkward option of terminating his employment with the team.

* Invoke a termination clause in Mansell's contract. Doing so will refund the team his agreed annual salary of £3,400,000, minus £375,000, leaving the team with a balance of -£861,907. It is not practical to terminate de Angelis' contract, due to complexities with Italian law that would make the process too lengthy and costly. Although the team will be able to carry on, be aware that due to your behavior, the team's board of directors insist on a change of management, and as such you will be removed from your position; the role of team manager will be offered to the next person in the queue.
* Allow Team Lotus to be wound-up and dissolved. After settling debts with creditors, the team's remaining assets of value will be auctioned-off to other Formula One teams, allowing them to benefit from your collapse. Nigel Mansell and Elio de Angelis' contracts will be terminated, and both drivers will be available on the driver market in phase two.

The Lotus team are requested to respond to this event.

Posted: **27 Apr 2017, 20:45**

RAM outlived something! :dance:

And we have a driver, let's pray that we get some decent sponsors.

Posted: **27 Apr 2017, 21:07**

We kept Rosberg? Wow, that is surprising considering we gave him a worse season than Damon Hill's 1997, although considering we have a decent car now we hope more can be achieved than a single point.

Also, two years in to this series and Lotus is already in its death throes; I have to say, novitopoli, you work fast!

Posted: **28 Apr 2017, 11:11**

I guess I overspent to try and get second place in the Constructors' Championship last year... :oops:

But it would be a waste to dissolve a team with probably the third best car in the field. So, I'll leave someone to take care of the team, and Nigel will be free to go wherever he wishes.

If it's viable, I'd like to join again the waiting list.

Posted: **28 Apr 2017, 12:06**

novitopoli wrote:But it would be a waste to dissolve a team with probably the third best car in the field.

Someone should've told that to Honda in 2008 :vergne:

Posted: **28 Apr 2017, 23:24**

novitopoli wrote:If it's viable, I'd like to join again the waiting list.

Can do, and thank you for being a good sport about the legacy of the team.

Please welcome thor97 to the series, who will take over at Lotus!

Posted: **28 Apr 2017, 23:46**

Sponsor Signing – Set One (Of Two)
Teams that scored at least one point in the previous year's championship may sign team sponsors; teams that failed to score any points may not. In addition, certain teams owned by parent manufacturers may have lost some of their sponsorship space. Everyone's available sponsorship slots are listed below:

McLaren
Brabham
Lotus
Tyrrell
Alfa Romeo
Williams
Arrows
Toleman
… may all sign up-to one team sponsor and three supplementary sponsors, as they scored at least one point in last year's championship.

Ferrari
BMW
Osella Squadra Corse Alfa
... may all sign up-to three supplementary sponsors only, as they are owned by parent manufacturers who take up the position of team sponsor.

Spirit
Ligier
Minardi
RAM
Zakspeed
Lola
… may all sign up-to four supplementary sponsors only, as they did not score at least one point in last year's championship.

To attempt signing of a sponsor, simply state the sponsor's name.

An example of signing sponsors:

Code: Select all

MahAwesomeRacingTeam would like to sign the following sponsors:
Olivetti
Barclay
Warsteiner
Loto
SAIMA
Micromax
Carlo Colucci

'New for 1985!'™ > Some teams, especially those in the lower reaches of last year’s Constructors’ Championship, may find that one or more of their 1984-season sponsors now refuse to deal with them for 1985; in almost all cases, these sponsors are the ones that made the most significant financial contributions to their respective teams, who’s performance disappointed them – whether justified, or not.

'New for 1985!'™ > A new ‘Industry’ descriptor has been added for all sponsors, this year. Although it has no significance at present, it’s purpose will become clear, as the season progresses.

I'm going to limit you all to listing no more than the magic number - seven - sponsors in your signing attempt. If you list more than seven, they'll be ignored (this is to prevent you all from just writing down every sponsor on the list, in the hope of eventually 'getting one'!).

You will only receive two attempts to sign sponsors; one after I post the first set of sponsors, and one after I post the second set of sponsors. Whether you come away from those two opportunities with full sponsorship coverage or no sponsors in sight - unlike driver signing - there will be no additional chances!

Furthermore, be aware that, also unlike driver signing, you will not receive the opportunity to approach any of the below sponsors again! When we move on to the second phase of sponsor signing, you will restricted to approaching sponsors listed in that second set only!

Good luck; be wise~!

Team Sponsors
Olivetti, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Technology, Income for season: £11,500,000
John Player Special, Nationality: British, Industry: Tobacco, Income for season: £21,000,000. Note: also takes up all three of your supplementary sponsor slots.
Barclay, Nationality: United States, Industry: Tobacco, Income for season: £11,000,000
Skoal Bandit, Nationality: United States, Industry: Tobacco, Income for season: £8,000,000. Note: will not sign with the Toleman team, due to previous poor performance.
DeLonghi, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Appliance, Income for season: £8,500,000
Canon, Nationality: Japanese, Industry: Optics, Income for season: £12,500,000
Marlboro, Nationality: United States, Industry: Tobacco, Income for season: £10,000,000
Beatrice, Nationality: United States, Industry: Food, Income for season: £9,500,000

Supplementary Sponsors
Camozzi Pneumatic, Nationality: British, Industry: Industrial, Income for season: £1,000,000
USA for Africa, Nationality: World, Industry: Charity, Income for season: £0. Note: does not provide income, as is for Bob Geldof’s charitable ‘Live Aid’ event.
Warsteiner, Nationality: German, Industry: Alcohol, Income for season: £6,500,000
Mase Generators, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Industrial, Income for season: £1,500,000
Vivitar, Nationality: United States, Industry: Optics, Income for season: £5,000,000
Coopbox, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Industrial, Income for season: £5,000,000
Koni, Nationality: Dutch, Industry: Automobile, Income for season: £2,500,000
Milde Sorte, Nationality: Austrian, Industry: Tobacco, Income for season: £2,000,000
Carvico, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Fashion, Income for season: £6,000,000. Note: only available to Italian teams, but will not sign with Minardi due to previous poor performance.
Loto, Nationality: French, Industry: Gambling, Income for season: £7,000,000
SAIMA, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Logistics, Income for season: £5,500,000. Note: only available to Italian teams.
AVIS, Nationality: United States, Industry: Automobile, Income for season: £1,000,000
Courtaulds, Nationality: British, Industry: Fashion, Income for season: £4,500,000
Conte of Florence, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Fashion, Income for season: £1,500,000
Candy, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Appliance, Income for season: £7,000,000
The Porchester Group, Nationality: British, Industry: Finance, Income for season: £2,000,000
Rizla+, Nationality: French, Industry: Tobacco, Income for season: £5,000,000. Note: will not sign with the Ligier team, due to previous poor performance.
Penthouse, Nationality: United States, Industry: Publishing, Income for season: £5,500,000
Champion, Nationality: United States, Industry: Automobile, Income for season: £1,500,000
Micromax, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Appliance, Income for season: £6,500,000
FUJI TV, Nationality: Japanese, Industry: Media, Income for season: £7,500,000. Note: adds 4kg to car weight and 3% to car aero drag, due to carrying onboard camera for TV broadcast.
Technocar Filtri, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Automobile, Income for season: £2,000,000
Longines, Nationality: Swiss, Industry: Jewellery, Income for season: £7,000,000
Melinex, Nationality: Dutch, Industry: Industrial, Income for season: £3,000,000
Tissot, Nationality: Swiss, Industry: Jewellery, Income for season: £6,000,000
CISA, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Industrial, Income for season: £3,500,000
Millfix, Nationality: Belgian, Industry: Industrial, Income for season: £4,500,000
DENIM, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Fashion, Income for season: £7,000,000. Note: only available to Italian teams.
Playtex, Nationality: United States, Industry: Fashion, Income for season: £4,000,000. Note: only available to team with Beatrice sponsorship.
Saudia, Nationality: Saudi Arabian, Industry: Transport, Income for season: £7,000,000. Note: will not sign with the Arrows team, due to previous poor performance.
Emporio Armani, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Fashion, Income for season: £6,000,000
Cobra, Nationality: British, Industry: Automobile, Income for season: £2,000,000
Carlo Colucci, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Fashion, Income for season: £3,000,000
Augros, Nationality: French, Industry: Cosmetics, Income for season: £4,000,000
Panasonic, Nationality: Japanese, Industry: Technology, Income for season: £7,500,000. Note: only available to independent (no manufacturer support, of any kind) teams.
Powerbuilt, Nationality: United States, Industry: Tools, Income for season: £3,500,000
Culligan, Nationality: United States, Industry: Industrial, Income for season: £2,000,000
Nikon, Nationality: Japanese, Industry: Optics, Income for season: £6,500,000
FACOM, Nationality: French, Industry: Tools, Income for season: £2,250,000

Posted: **29 Apr 2017, 00:16**

Lotus would like to sign the following sponsors:
John Player Special
Barclay
Barclay
Panasonic

Posted: **29 Apr 2017, 00:47**

Minardi bids:
> Candy
> DENIM
> Micromax
> Empirio Armani
> Coopbox
> SAIMA
> CISA

Posted: **29 Apr 2017, 05:55**

Tyrrell bids:
1. John Player Special
2. Barclay
3. Canon
4. Candy
5. Tissot
6. Saudia
7. Penthouse

Posted: **29 Apr 2017, 07:18**

ZAKSPEED
Warsteiner
Milde Sorte
Vivitar
Powerbuilt
Millfix
Augros
Porchester Group

Posted: **29 Apr 2017, 08:02**

Arrows Sponsor Bids (this can only go better than last time...)
1. Canon (main)
2. Beatrice (main if not Canon)
3. Skoal Bandit (main if not either above)
4. Cobra (Supp.)
5. Tissot (Supp.)
6. Courtaulds (Supp.)
7. Millfix (Supp.)
This way we should at least get something

Also, BioBiro, Barclay (as in the horrible cream coloured sponsor on the RL '85 Arrows) is not a British financial company, it's an American Tobacco brand- you're thinking of Barclays

Posted: **29 Apr 2017, 08:38**

Lola

Penthouse
Loto
Longines
Rizla+
Nikon
Powerbuilt
Culligan

Posted: **29 Apr 2017, 09:12**

Ferrari will attempt to sign the following sponsors;
DENIM
Candy
Longines
Micromax
Emporio Armani
Carvico
SAIMA

When two sponsors from this list are successfully signed, Ferrari will stop and wait for Phase 2 of signing for a third sponsor.

Posted: **29 Apr 2017, 12:04**

BBC wrote:Mitterrand announces Parliamentary Investingation into Rizla

French president Fracois Mitterrand has announced a parliamentary investigation into the tobacco company Rizla, which is scheduled to begin next week. Details are scant at this stage, but it is believed that they are looking at allegations of fraud and accounting irregularities in Rizla. Several of Rizla's directors are believed to be at the centre of the firestorm which has exploded in the last few hours.

Many in the inner circle of French politics however believe it is nothing more than a pressure tactic by the president himself to assist Formula one team owner and close personal friend Guy Ligier. After Rizla earlier made the announcement they would be withdrawing funding from the team, many believe that Mitterrand himself has personally stepped in order to force Rizla to back the Ligier team for 1985.

The BBC will report more details as they come to hand.

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