Grand Prix Rejects

Verde wrote:Anhtony Davidson in BAR, somebody?

Yes. He only raced at the 2005 Malaysian GP subbing in for Takuma Sato, and his engine blew after a few laps. Mind you, this was in the wake of BAR withdrawing from the Australian GP in the dying stages of the race to preserve their engines

Phoenix wrote:

Verde wrote:Anhtony Davidson in BAR, somebody?

Yes. He only raced at the 2005 Malaysian GP subbing in for Takuma Sato, and his engine blew after a few laps. Mind you, this was in the wake of BAR withdrawing from the Australian GP in the dying stages of the race to preserve their engines

I find Anthony Davidson in a Minardi more forgettable for some reason...

Phoenix wrote:

Verde wrote:Anhtony Davidson in BAR, somebody?

Yes. He only raced at the 2005 Malaysian GP subbing in for Takuma Sato, and his engine blew after a few laps. Mind you, this was in the wake of BAR withdrawing from the Australian GP in the dying stages of the race to preserve their engines

Actually, this was when the two races per engine rule was in place. Since both BARs were nowhere in Australia, they brought them in on the final lap so they could get a free pass to new engines in Malaysia. Which makes what happened the next weekend all the more hilarious when both engines blew up within the first five minutes of the race

dr-baker wrote:

Phoenix wrote:

Verde wrote:Anhtony Davidson in BAR, somebody?

Yes. He only raced at the 2005 Malaysian GP subbing in for Takuma Sato, and his engine blew after a few laps. Mind you, this was in the wake of BAR withdrawing from the Australian GP in the dying stages of the race to preserve their engines

I find Anthony Davidson in a Minardi more forgettable for some reason...

I find Anthony Davidson in anything other than a SOOPA AGOORI forgettable...

redbulljack14 wrote:

Cynon wrote:Bourdais is hard to forget in IndyCar/Champ Car circles for winning 4 titles in a row, for all the crap between him and Tracy, and how he nearly took a backmarker team to the podium in 2012. But his F1 tenure? Forgettable unless you're a fan of his! ...

...which would include me.

I remember Bourdais simply for the fact that he was screwed over in Fuji for the penalty he received in the incident with Massa. One of the most bullshit penalties ever given in F1.

If it hadn't been for that, Timo Glock wouldn't have become the most hated man in Brazil as Hamilton wouldn't had to have passed him for the championship.

Phoenix wrote:

Verde wrote:Anhtony Davidson in BAR, somebody?

Yes. He only raced at the 2005 Malaysian GP subbing in for Takuma Sato, and his engine blew after a few laps. Mind you, this was in the wake of BAR withdrawing from the Australian GP in the dying stages of the race to preserve their engines

I didn't remember it.
Why did he take Sato's place?

andrew2209 wrote:While they're not forgettable at the moment, anyone who drives for Toro Rosso and doesn't end up at Red Bull probably won't be remembered by many, unless they do something spectatuclar.

Or spectacularly bad like Scott Speed. A F1 reject who pretty much ran himself out of town and can barely stay in NASCAR's top series let alone F1. As in he's only in NASCAR at this point to run two fast laps in qualifying.

shinji wrote:But Minardi essentially went bust at the end of 2005, Red Bull just kept their staff in a job and made use of what was now a vacant entry. Much as I'm not a fan of the STR idea and Red Bull's pursual of a junior team, to make out Minardi as the victim of a hostile takeover from the Big Bad Corporation is just inaccurate. Furthermore I'd argue that much of Minardi's supposed heritage was lost upon Stoddart's purchase of the team, just because it wasn't renamed European Aviation F1 doesn't mean it wasn't just as cynical a marketing exercise.

I know Vettel drove for STR but try not to let blind hate distort your views of the past.

I totally agree with you

I'm a guy that is rare that I forget drivers, but the one drive that I forgot often is Tomas Enge. Now he is suspended due to drugs problems

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:

Phoenix wrote:

Verde wrote:Anhtony Davidson in BAR, somebody?

Yes. He only raced at the 2005 Malaysian GP subbing in for Takuma Sato, and his engine blew after a few laps. Mind you, this was in the wake of BAR withdrawing from the Australian GP in the dying stages of the race to preserve their engines

I didn't remember it.
Why did he take Sato's place?

Sato's stomach was bugged, as fas as I remember.

Verde wrote:

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:

Phoenix wrote:
Yes. He only raced at the 2005 Malaysian GP subbing in for Takuma Sato, and his engine blew after a few laps. Mind you, this was in the wake of BAR withdrawing from the Australian GP in the dying stages of the race to preserve their engines

I didn't remember it.
Why did he take Sato's place?

Sato's stomach was bugged, as fas as I remember.

Why was there a bug in his stomach? We're the CIA listening into some suspicious Bifidus Actiregularis?

Verde wrote:Sato's stomach was bugged, as fas as I remember.

thanks.

Wizzie wrote:

Phoenix wrote:

Verde wrote:Anhtony Davidson in BAR, somebody?

Yes. He only raced at the 2005 Malaysian GP subbing in for Takuma Sato, and his engine blew after a few laps. Mind you, this was in the wake of BAR withdrawing from the Australian GP in the dying stages of the race to preserve their engines

Actually, this was when the two races per engine rule was in place. Since both BARs were nowhere in Australia, they brought them in on the final lap so they could get a free pass to new engines in Malaysia. Which makes what happened the next weekend all the more hilarious when both engines blew up within the first five minutes of the race

It was extremely embarrassing and it shows how desperate Honda must have been for the team to pull that sort of trick - mind you, that kind of pales with the indignity they suffered later in the year over their fuel tank design (where they were lucky that the FIA's original plan of excluding the team for the entire year was knocked back just to a two race ban).

James1978 wrote:

redbulljack14 wrote:

Cynon wrote:Bourdais is hard to forget in IndyCar/Champ Car circles for winning 4 titles in a row, for all the crap between him and Tracy, and how he nearly took a backmarker team to the podium in 2012. But his F1 tenure? Forgettable unless you're a fan of his! ...

...which would include me.

I remember Bourdais simply for the fact that he was screwed over in Fuji for the penalty he received in the incident with Massa. One of the most bullshit penalties ever given in F1.

If it hadn't been for that, Timo Glock wouldn't have become the most hated man in Brazil as Hamilton wouldn't had to have passed him for the championship.

I have to admit that penalty does still rankle with me, since I would also agree that it was an unjust penalty - it went contrary to what Charlie Whiting is supposed to have said before the race (that due to the fact that the visibility back down the main straight was so limited, drivers exiting the pits should be given priority over those coming down the main straight), and I do feel that Massa could have given him more room.

I remember Bourdais simply for the fact that he was screwed over in Fuji for the penalty he received in the incident with Massa. One of the most bullshit penalties ever given in F1.

The only reason why I remember him is that the Italian TV commentator always said that Bourdais was the only current driver who raced with eyeglasses.

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:

I remember Bourdais simply for the fact that he was screwed over in Fuji for the penalty he received in the incident with Massa. One of the most bullshit penalties ever given in F1.

The only reason why I remember him is that the Italian TV commentator always said that Bourdais was the only current driver who raced with eyeglasses.

Pretty sure Ralf Schumacher raced with them towards the end of his F1 career

I remember Bourdais for his rather honest interview after the Belgian GP, where his (or more like, the team's) decision to leave him out on dry tyres saw him drop from 3rd to 8th on the final lap. Its not often I feel sorry for an F1 driver when he throws a strop, but he really deserved a decent result that day.

Pretty sure Ralf Schumacher raced with them towards the end of his F1 career

I think he used only contact lens while racing, but I could be wrong.

Bourdais was unlucky in Formula 1. He had Vettel as a teammate, he was so close to a podium in Belgium, he qualified 4th in Italy, only for his car to stall and he had the penalty with Massa.

Cristiano da Matta? I've never heard of that guy.

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Cristiano da Matta? I've never heard of that guy.

I wouldn't say da Matta was un memorable. His 2003 season for Toyota was pretty decent, and he even led a few laps at the British Grand Prix

darkapprentice77 wrote:I forgot that Mika Salo and Norberto Fontana raced in '97.

I am ashamed to admit that I had to look up whether he did a full or partial season. And apparently he come back in 1999 and 2001 to do some Formula 3000 races! What the hell for?

To stay on the radar I guess? After all, he tried to drive for Tyrrell in 98 and Minardi in 00.

andrew2209 wrote:Bourdais was unlucky in Formula 1. He had Vettel as a teammate, he was so close to a podium in Belgium, he qualified 4th in Italy, only for his car to stall and he had the penalty with Massa.

And there was also that potential fourth place in Australia that went begging when the engine decided to blow up with two laps to go.

Onxy Wrecked wrote:

andrew2209 wrote:While they're not forgettable at the moment, anyone who drives for Toro Rosso and doesn't end up at Red Bull probably won't be remembered by many, unless they do something spectatuclar.

Or spectacularly bad like Scott Speed. A F1 reject who pretty much ran himself out of town and can barely stay in NASCAR's top series let alone F1. As in he's only in NASCAR at this point to run two fast laps in qualifying.

He's not even good at that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Foitek

Gregor Foitek, cant believe no one has mentioned this fella. He really was a complete failure in Formula 1 just look at his record.

Alex Caffi wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Foitek

Gregor Foitek, cant believe no one has mentioned this fella. He really was a complete failure in Formula 1 just look at his record.

Are you not aware of your surroundings?

This is F1 Rejects. Foitek is not an also ran, he is half way to being a deity. When we think of forgettable drivers, we think of the Firmans, the Freisachers, the Boullions of the F1 world. Not the super rejects like Foitek, Langes, Chaves et al...

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:

Alex Caffi wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Foitek

Gregor Foitek, cant believe no one has mentioned this fella. He really was a complete failure in Formula 1 just look at his record.

Are you not aware of your surroundings?

This is F1 Rejects. Foitek is not an also ran, he is half way to being a deity. When we think of forgettable drivers, we think of the Firmans, the Freisachers, the Boullions of the F1 world. Not the super rejects like Foitek, Langes, Chaves et al...

These have been mentioned a ton of times all through the 18 pages, I thought I'd add one in because no one has said Foitek's name yet.

Alex Caffi wrote:These have been mentioned a ton of times all through the 18 pages, I thought I'd add one in because no one has said Foitek's name yet.

That's because for most of us he isn't forgettable. Nearly killing Johnny Herbert in F3000, then going through three different reject teams and one formerly good team while crashing at pretty much every race. Add to that that he only got the Onyx seat because his dad bought part of the team.

Nuppiz wrote:

Alex Caffi wrote:These have been mentioned a ton of times all through the 18 pages, I thought I'd add one in because no one has said Foitek's name yet.

That's because for most of us he isn't forgettable. Nearly killing Johnny Herbert in F3000, then going through three different reject teams and one formerly good team while crashing at pretty much every race. Add to that that he only got the Onyx seat because his dad bought part of the team.

And then his father decided that the car had become too dangerous and refused to let Gregor drive the car.

Volker Weidler.

I have ALWAYS to tell myself than once we had a guy called Michael Bartels in Formula One. And the same goes to Toshio Suzuki.

And then I realize how important is for a reject driver to show up in F1 Rejects. Otherwise, he will be bypassed and thrown in a trash can by our fond memories.

Quite often I forget that Eric Bernard was in F1. Despite being a podium finisher.

Peter Monteverdi. Well, he did enter the 1961 German GP with a self-designed car, just he didn't take part in the event.

Bernd Schneider and Michael Bartels are pretty good examples, because they were nobodies in F1, and while technically rejects, didn't really embody the true reject spirit at any point in their career IMO. And then they both went on to absolutely dominate their respective series later in their racing careers. Schneider could be classed as the greatest Mercedes driver of the modern era (because, well, he ain't no Fangio), and Bartels as the number one man at Maserati. Although Andrea Piccini, former Minardi test driver, was pretty epic in GTs as well - he finished third in the 2006 championship despite having Jean-Denis Deletraz of all people as his co-pilot for the season.

Phillippe Adams.I don't even know if I spelled his name right.

WaffleCat wrote:Phillippe Adams.I don't even know if I spelled his name right.

Who did he drive for? I'm thinking Larrousse?!

I think he was down to drive for them in 1995 before they went bust wasn't he? He definitely did two races for Lotus when they were in their death throes.

AndreaModa wrote:I think he was down to drive for them in 1995 before they went bust wasn't he? He definitely did two races for Lotus when they were in their death throes.

Not really, recently Flemish TV interviewed him (back when D'Ambrosio made his debut, because he was the last Belgian) and he claims that it took him 10 years to pay back the loan he had for the money to pay Lotus. I doubt he'd be driving for a different team if he didn't actually have the money in the first place... However, he said he didn't regret anything, and that if he had to do it again, he would do it the same way, even if it got him in to lot of financial difficulties. Respect.

darkapprentice77 wrote:Volker Weidler.

Poor bastard developed tinnitis, didn't he?

pi314159 wrote:

Nuppiz wrote:

Alex Caffi wrote:These have been mentioned a ton of times all through the 18 pages, I thought I'd add one in because no one has said Foitek's name yet.

That's because for most of us he isn't forgettable. Nearly killing Johnny Herbert in F3000, then going through three different reject teams and one formerly good team while crashing at pretty much every race. Add to that that he only got the Onyx seat because his dad bought part of the team.

And then his father decided that the car had become too dangerous and refused to let Gregor drive the car.

But he almost got in the points in Monaco, which would have been epic.

If evil Eric Bernard hadn't driven him off the road then he probably would have stayed 6th and got a point, yes. I think at that point there were barely any other cars still running!

Barbazza wrote:If evil Eric Bernard hadn't driven him off the road then he probably would have stayed 6th and got a point, yes. I think at that point there were barely any other cars still running!

If he hadn't done that, Onyx wouldn't have a profile on here.

Robert Doornbos and Franck Montagny. Having read F1 books from the middle part of the decade, i can safely say I have absolutely no recollection of either of those two drivers