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Are there any links for the valencia testing ??

... and we're back, people! Twitter is a hive of activity, as the wheels start turning again. Finally, something to discuss.

(Man, that Sauber looks wicked!)

looks like twitter is the only way to find out about the testing

Got a "live" ticker here: http://www.f1today.nl/live-update/2010/ ... alenciana/

homerbhoy wrote:Are there any links for the valencia testing ??

You won't get footage of the testing. Believe me when I say it is very boring. It is the Friday practice session from hell. I don't know what you seem to think you'll see, but this is what you'll get:

The cars do a handful of installation laps, a shakedown to make sure everything is working. The Valencia lap record is 1min 8sec; the fastest times in the first hours were 1min 25sec. They then return to the pits and discuss everything with their engineers, and they work on setup. During this time, there is no activity on-track. When the cars do emerge, they are staggered to prevent them from encountering one another. If, for whatever reason, they do come across one another, the slower driver gets off the racing line and yields completely. They all drive around looking to set lap times that are around a pre-determined figure, and they never look to set quick times, especially in the early tests. It is like Le Mans: everything is slow and deliberate, not lightning-quick. And then, of course, there is sandbagging, with everyone driving slower than they really can to hide their true pace.

It is slow. It is long. It is boring. You are not going to see racing; you are just going to see a car driving around. I don't know why so many people to see it, because tesing really is a chore. There is absolutely no market for it to be broadcast.

Captain Hammer wrote:

homerbhoy wrote:Are there any links for the valencia testing ??

You won't get footage of the testing. Believe me when I say it is very boring. It is the Friday practice session from hell. I don't know what you seem to think you'll see, but this is what you'll get:

The cars do a handful of installation laps, a shakedown to make sure everything is working. The Valencia lap record is 1min 8sec; the fastest times in the first hours were 1min 25sec. They then return to the pits and discuss everything with their engineers, and they work on setup. During this time, there is no activity on-track. When the cars do emerge, they are staggered to prevent them from encountering one another. If, for whatever reason, they do come across one another, the slower driver gets off the racing line and yields completely. They all drive around looking to set lap times that are around a pre-determined figure, and they never look to set quick times, especially in the early tests. It is like Le Mans: everything is slow and deliberate, not lightning-quick. And then, of course, there is sandbagging, with everyone driving slower than they really can to hide their true pace.

It is slow. It is long. It is boring. You are not going to see racing; you are just going to see a car driving around. I don't know why so many people to see it, because tesing really is a chore. There is absolutely no market for it to be broadcast.

Fair points, but none have watched any track action for months now - look how crazy some of the threads on this forum have been getting. And then there are the new cars with new/rehashed paintschemes and driver combos. The request was just to regain some sanity, methinks...

Why does the Ferrari have a coat hanger stuck on top of it?

madcat wrote:Why does the Ferrari have a coat hanger stuck on top of it?

Maybe after seeing the other 2010 launches they are getting desperate.

This is a good site for testing news: http://twitter.jamesallenonf1.com/live

This one is good, but it's Dutch! http://www.f1today.nl/live-update/2010/02/01/circuit-de-la-comunitat-valenciana/

madcat wrote:

Why does the Ferrari have a coat hanger stuck on top of it?

Looks like a couple of pitot tubes on top of that giant hanger. They're trying to measure the airflow up there. My guess is to see how far vertically air is disturbed by the front of a F1 car. Since it's right at the top of the airbox, where the car is highest, it probably makes the most sense that they measure right there. Not sure why they're trying to find that out though...

madcat wrote:

Why does the Ferrari have a coat hanger stuck on top of it?

Looks like a bumper car from an amusement park to me.

homerbhoy wrote:Are there any links for the valencia testing ??

For testing no there is no live timing from Formula1.com and no live feeds. Also no live report on BBC, so dont keep hoping.
Only a few site like Motor21.com give live report but its in spanish.

MORNING SESSION-
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1 F.Massa Ferrari 1:12.842 50
2 P.De la Rosa Sauber 1:13.247 39
3 N.Rosberg Mercedes 1:13.543 39
4 G.Paffett McLaren 1:13.846 53
5 R.Barrichello Williams 1.14.449 42
6 R.Kubica Renault 1:15.298 37
7 S.Buemi Toro Rosso 1:19.279 10
8 M.Schumacher Mercedes -.--.--- --

I think Ferrari is doing short stints!!
15:15 h Now yes, Felipe Massa into the pits after completing a stint of 11 laps with a best time of 1:12.842

Nico Rosberg has handed over to Michael Schumacher

FOLLOW TESTING HERE-
F1 DIRECT
MOTOR 21
MOTOR 21 LIVE
F1 TODAY

All sites are Spanish so for translation use YAHOO BABEL FISH OR GOOGLE TRANSLATOR

Nin13 wrote:All sites are Spanish so for translation use YAHOO BABEL FISH OR GOOGLE TRANSLATOR

No! I was thinking about making a few quid doing as a translator! You've ruined me!

Now seriously, I'm surprised de la Rosa has managed 2nd. Maybe the Sauber turns out to be a fast car...

In the only head to head teammate shootout of the the testing session, Michael Schumacher beats Nico Rosberg by a little under 0.6 seconds. Let the mindgames begin!

Maybe Ferrari are Satanists?

I think the major point of interest is how much Renault and Toro Rosso suck.

day 1 is over:

1. F. Massa Ferrari F10 1:12.574 102 pit
2. P. de la Rosa BMW Sauber C25 1:12.784 +0.210 74 pit
3. M. Schumacher Mercedes GP W01 1:12.947 +0.373 40 pit
4. N. Rosberg Mercedes GP W01 1:13.543 +0.969 39 pit
5. G. Paffett McLaren MP4-25 1:13.846 +1.272 86 pit
6. R. Barrichello Williams FW32 1:14.449 +1.875 75 pit
7. S. Buemi Toro Rosso STR5 1:14.762 +2.188 18 pit
8. R. Kubica Renault R30 1:15.000 +2.426 69 pit

Cynon wrote:I think the major point of interest is how much Renault and Toro Rosso suck.

Now now, Buemi only did 18 laps. Everyone else but Mercedes did over 50.

The games at Mercedes are well and truly under way - Rosberg had the 'honour' of first crack with the W01, whilst Schumi had to put up with running the faster afternoon conditions...

elho wrote:6. R. Barrichello Williams FW32 1:14.449 +1.875 75 pit

Reason to get worried?

LionZoo wrote:

madcat wrote:

Why does the Ferrari have a coat hanger stuck on top of it?

Looks like a couple of pitot tubes on top of that giant hanger. They're trying to measure the airflow up there. My guess is to see how far vertically air is disturbed by the front of a F1 car. Since it's right at the top of the airbox, where the car is highest, it probably makes the most sense that they measure right there. Not sure why they're trying to find that out though...

You're on the money there - basically, they are trying to get a measure of the wake signature of the front wing and front wheels.

Klon wrote:

elho wrote:6. R. Barrichello Williams FW32 1:14.449 +1.875 75 pit

Reason to get worried?

No, especially this early on in the testing season - as Captain Hammer says, the teams are mainly interested in tyre wear rates and the behaviour of the 2010 tyres, comparing the track side data with the wind tunnel data, reliability checks and so forth. Besides, we don't know what the respective fuel loads or tyre compounds are (which will be the biggest variables), nor are the drivers going to really thrash the cars until they actually get to Bahrein - after all, having been out of the cockpit for a while, it isn't only the cars which need to dial themselves in to the track conditions.
The point at which you might get a better idea of what is to come would be at the final test session, when the teams and drivers will start to push harder, and may have brought along a small upgrade or two. The acid test, however, will be the first Friday practise session at Bahrein.

The reason Barrichello needs to be worried is that his car broke down in the first test session...not a good sign is it?

Henrique wrote:

Cynon wrote:I think the major point of interest is how much Renault and Toro Rosso suck.

Now now, Buemi only did 18 laps. Everyone else but Mercedes did over 50.

According to the above list, Mercedes DID do over 50 laps. Add Schummi and Rosberg's laps together. 39 + 40 > 50

From Autosport


Today's times:

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:12.574 102
2. de la Rosa BMW Sauber-Ferrari (B) 1:12.784 74
3. M.Schumacher Mercedes GP (B) 1:12.947 40
4. Rosberg Mercedes GP (B) 1:13.543 39
5. Paffett McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:13.846 86
6. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:14.449 75
7. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:14.762 18
8. Kubica Renault (B) 1:15.000 69

All Timing Unofficial


Can we forget everything else for a moment, and focus on de la Rosa? Second with a bucketload of laps. When Kobayashi enters that car, it'll fly! Sauber is going to pull a Brawn, running with BMW money! Kobayashi for WDC! Let the hype well and truly begin!

CarlosFerreira wrote:Can we forget everything else for a moment, and focus on de la Rosa? Second with a bucketload of laps. When Kobayashi enters that car, it'll fly! Sauber is going to pull a Brawn, running with BMW money! Kobayashi for WDC! Let the hype well and truly begin!

Or they could be running light to attract sponsors...

BMW Sauber-Ferrari (Lol cool name) are the shock at Valencia. Maybe De La Rosa isn't as slow as people thought. However its just testing but it does give the Sauber team good chance for Sponsorship.

noisebox wrote:

CarlosFerreira wrote:Can we forget everything else for a moment, and focus on de la Rosa? Second with a bucketload of laps. When Kobayashi enters that car, it'll fly! Sauber is going to pull a Brawn, running with BMW money! Kobayashi for WDC! Let the hype well and truly begin!

Or they could be running light to attract sponsors...

NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.................................

noisebox wrote:

CarlosFerreira wrote:Can we forget everything else for a moment, and focus on de la Rosa? Second with a bucketload of laps. When Kobayashi enters that car, it'll fly! Sauber is going to pull a Brawn, running with BMW money! Kobayashi for WDC! Let the hype well and truly begin!

Or they could be running light to attract sponsors...

Well, yeah. But that's a bit too rational for my taste. Let's just go berserk, shall we?

Ill start with the usual disclaimer that testing times are meaningless and one would be foolish to speculate about the season ahead based on one days testing times.

I will then proceed to speculate on the season ahead.

By far the most encouraging news is Felipe baby's FTD. Even if he's on fresh tyres, running on fumes during the best conditions of the day, it still proves his basic pace is still there. With a big crash like his, especially with head injuries, there was a real possibility that Massa could have "lost his touch". Like him or loathe him (i've come to like him in the last couple of years) nobody wants to see a driver's career ended in a crash.

De la Rosa's pace is a real surprise, but DLR has always been quite quick in testing and BMW have essentially "done a Honda" by starting development on the new car very early. The Sauber should be quite far along its development curve, which bodes well for KOBAYASHI! in the early season at least, lets hope they get some sponsorship on that car so they can have a good season and not fade away due to lack of development.

Schumie ahead of Rosberg in the first test wasn't what I expected, I expected Nico to be in front for the first part of testing at least. Again no one knows about fuel loads and the like, but perhaps the favouritism is already kicking in?

Williams, STR and Paffett are about where I would expect them to be, both Button and Hamilton should be quicker than Gary. I am a little disappointed by Kubica's lack of pace, hopefully thats just a conservative fuel load and test programme.

CarlosFerreira wrote:

noisebox wrote:

CarlosFerreira wrote:Can we forget everything else for a moment, and focus on de la Rosa? Second with a bucketload of laps. When Kobayashi enters that car, it'll fly! Sauber is going to pull a Brawn, running with BMW money! Kobayashi for WDC! Let the hype well and truly begin!

Or they could be running light to attract sponsors...

Well, yeah. But that's a bit too rational for my taste. Let's just go berserk, shall we?

Rubens has stated pretty clearly that he thinks that some teams (i.e. Sauber) are running light to attract sponsors

Rubens Barrichello wrote:"If you take 10kg of fuel, or full tanks, you are talking about almost four seconds - so it is going to be dead easy for someone to get a sponsor and say that the car is faster in a way.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81191

Besides, the important thing to ask is when did de la Rosa set that time? Did he set it towards the end of a long run (say, 20 laps or so), or did it come during a short stint (e.g. 5-6 laps)? If the former, it'd be a positive sign (but, given testing has only started, not definite proof of the true potential of the car just yet), but if the latter, it would indicate Sauber was showboating to attract sponsors.

As for the performance of the Williams, it seems that they may have been doing long fuel runs to analyse the behaviour of the car over a race stint, with the engine turned down a notch or two - so, there probably is still quite a bit of untapped potential in their car. And in case anybody wants to know what caused Rubens to stop on track, it appears that a faulty throttle linkage is to blame.

Apparantly De La Rosa did his quickest lap on lap 4 of a 12 lap stint. If true, that's promising, but my facts might be badly wrong

noisebox wrote:

CarlosFerreira wrote:Can we forget everything else for a moment, and focus on de la Rosa? Second with a bucketload of laps. When Kobayashi enters that car, it'll fly! Sauber is going to pull a Brawn, running with BMW money! Kobayashi for WDC! Let the hype well and truly begin!

Or they could be running light because sponsors' decals would weigh them down.

Corrected.

watka wrote:

noisebox wrote:

CarlosFerreira wrote:Can we forget everything else for a moment, and focus on de la Rosa? Second with a bucketload of laps. When Kobayashi enters that car, it'll fly! Sauber is going to pull a Brawn, running with BMW money! Kobayashi for WDC! Let the hype well and truly begin!

Or they could be running light because sponsors' decals would weigh them down.

Corrected.

There. Not only does it sound better, it is respects the laws of physics. Possibly.

Day Two:


All I really have to say is KOBAYASHI

IdeFan wrote:All I really have to say is KOBAYASHI

Hell yeah!

Kobayashi continues his streak of beating F1 world champions. After having already overtaken (=beaten) Button in Abu Dhabi and Schumacher in GP2, today he managed to beat Hamilton. Only Alonso to go, who will start testing tomorrow

Henrique wrote:

IdeFan wrote:All I really have to say is KOBAYASHI

Hell yeah!

To be honest, I do believe Peter Sauber wouldn't do a Jordan to attract sponsors out of the blue. And that car looks wicked, which probably mean 0.3 secs per lap. Let's fan the flames, shall we?

Koooooooobayashi!

Kobayashi, the Flying Mullet looks ready for an exciting season

Agree, the Sauber looks pretty bad but aggressive at the same time

NOW I'm really eager for Sauber! The car seems to go pretty well-might be in contention for victories this season?