The team who never made it

[nome66]

Dome looks like it had a skyward potential. if they had the sponsors to enter, they probably would've had a great run. the maybe could have kept Mugen in the game for a few extra years longer than Jordan could.

EDIT::
looking at this picture, it appears they tried before '96/'97. note the 1992, 1993, and 1994 cars that look up to FIA specs of those seasons.

[Nessafox]

Dome looks like it had a skyward potential. if they had the sponsors to enter, they probably would've had a great run. the maybe could have kept Mugen in the game for a few extra years longer than Jordan could.

EDIT::
looking at this picture, it appears they tried before '96/'97. note the 1992, 1993, and 1994 cars that look up to FIA specs of those seasons.

I think they are F3000 cars

[FantometteBR]

DOME wasn' a team from the then Japanese F3000 series (F-Nippon nowadays)?

[nome66]

here's the test footage. sounds like the car got a great review!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFQngxGacZg

[Nuppiz]

Dome looks like it had a skyward potential. if they had the sponsors to enter, they probably would've had a great run. the maybe could have kept Mugen in the game for a few extra years longer than Jordan could.

EDIT::
looking at this picture, it appears they tried before '96/'97. note the 1992, 1993, and 1994 cars that look up to FIA specs of those seasons.

I think they are F3000 cars

Yup, they were used in Formula Nippon, and the reason why they look so much like contemporary F1 cars is that the maybe wanted to test out different configurations for the upcoming F1 car.

[roblo97]

A future gpm2 mod for nuppiz maybe ?

[Nuppiz]

A future gpm2 mod for nuppiz maybe ?

Oddly enough, I was asked the same question via PM at GPM2World (which is working again, at least until the unevitable domain expiration)...

Thing is, we'd need 13 teams for a mod like that, and while you can easily find info about the more famous projects like Dome, DAMS or Honda's two separate 1990s attempts, most of the projects are only ever mentioned by a name. There might be a picture of a planned car and the name of the main person behind the project, but staff info etc. is almost always sorely lacking. And that's before we start thinking about attaining enough pictures for the menus and filling all 78 driver slots...

[AdrianSutil]

here's the test footage. sounds like the car got a great review!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFQngxGacZg

The car doesn't look that bad either! Put it in a 1997 race and I reckon it would qualify.

[Nuppiz]

here's the test footage. sounds like the car got a great review!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFQngxGacZg

The car doesn't look that bad either! Put it in a 1997 race and I reckon it would qualify.

The team did, however, test at Suzuka shortly after the season-ending 1996 Japanese Grand Prix at the circuit. Hattori set a best time of 1:46.270, which was more than seven seconds slower than Jacques Villeneuve's pole position time of 1:38.909 set in the Williams FW18 chassis. It was also 0.3 seconds slower than the 107% cut-off mark for qualification, although journalist Sam Collins speculates that a faster time could have been set with a top-line driver.[

So if even Hattori could come that close, I reckon it would've been perfectly possible for them to qualify in 1997 with, say, Nakano.

[f1-gast]

I'm missing the Dome F106 on that footage, the where making a new chassis in 1997.
The ML prototype is between also an F1 car

[nome66]

here's the test footage. sounds like the car got a great review!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFQngxGacZg

The car doesn't look that bad either! Put it in a 1997 race and I reckon it would qualify.

The team did, however, test at Suzuka shortly after the season-ending 1996 Japanese Grand Prix at the circuit. Hattori set a best time of 1:46.270, which was more than seven seconds slower than Jacques Villeneuve's pole position time of 1:38.909 set in the Williams FW18 chassis. It was also 0.3 seconds slower than the 107% cut-off mark for qualification, although journalist Sam Collins speculates that a faster time could have been set with a top-line driver.[

So if even Hattori could come that close, I reckon it would've been perfectly possible for them to qualify in 1997 with, say, Nakano.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CBhRBuHv4I

[Nuppiz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CBhRBuHv4I

Aaah, the beautiful sound of V10...

[Onxy Wrecked]

here's the test footage. sounds like the car got a great review!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFQngxGacZg

The car doesn't look that bad either! Put it in a 1997 race and I reckon it would qualify.

The team did, however, test at Suzuka shortly after the season-ending 1996 Japanese Grand Prix at the circuit. Hattori set a best time of 1:46.270, which was more than seven seconds slower than Jacques Villeneuve's pole position time of 1:38.909 set in the Williams FW18 chassis. It was also 0.3 seconds slower than the 107% cut-off mark for qualification, although journalist Sam Collins speculates that a faster time could have been set with a top-line driver.[

So if even Hattori could come that close, I reckon it would've been perfectly possible for them to qualify in 1997 with, say, Nakano.

Especially since Naoki was not anything more than an average Indy Lights driver (level below Indy Car).

[f1-gast]

Found a testing pic of the Dome ML

[AdrianSutil]

here's the test footage. sounds like the car got a great review!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFQngxGacZg

The car doesn't look that bad either! Put it in a 1997 race and I reckon it would qualify.

The team did, however, test at Suzuka shortly after the season-ending 1996 Japanese Grand Prix at the circuit. Hattori set a best time of 1:46.270, which was more than seven seconds slower than Jacques Villeneuve's pole position time of 1:38.909 set in the Williams FW18 chassis. It was also 0.3 seconds slower than the 107% cut-off mark for qualification, although journalist Sam Collins speculates that a faster time could have been set with a top-line driver.[

So if even Hattori could come that close, I reckon it would've been perfectly possible for them to qualify in 1997 with, say, Nakano.

Thought as much. Nakano would easily find about a second. A shame they didn't try and enter in the end.

[Onxy Wrecked]

Thought as much. Nakano would easily find about a second. A shame they didn't try and enter in the end.

As Naoki Hattori was pretty ordinary in Indy Lights and a backmarker in Indy Car. In fact, Nakano probably could have found two seconds.

[DOSBoot]

It's the Reliant Robin of F1 cars!

[Faustus]

I'm missing the Dome F106 on that footage, the where making a new chassis in 1997.
The ML prototype is between also an F1 car

Are you sure that the ML was a F1 car? I'm pretty sure I remember reading at the time that it was a Formula Nippon car.

[dr-baker]

It's the Reliant Robin of F1 cars!

I am led to believe (from previous discussions of this car on this forum) that there was a fourth wheel under the rear wing...

[AndreaModa]

That's right, it had two in-line wheels at the front and back that were steered, and the two in the middle which were powered.

What I love most about it is the enormous rear wing with all it's elements, like it's come straight off the back of the '84 Toleman!

[pi314159]

Browsing through StatsF1, I found four constructors entering the non-chmapionship 1961 Rand GP. I have never heard of these:

Netuar-Peugeot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netuar
Jennings-Porsche
Heron-Alfa Romeo
Quodra-Climax

[S951]

in regards to dome & nakano if they entered and went for times they would of found more than 2 seconds imo. Stuff like better setup, car upgrades of some description etc etc all the usual stuff probably would of been around 4sec+ off pace ah well all ifs and buts

[jondownunder]

Found a testing pic of the Dome ML

I'm missing the Dome F106 on that footage, the where making a new chassis in 1997.
The ML prototype is between also an F1 car

Are you sure that the ML was a F1 car? I'm pretty sure I remember reading at the time that it was a Formula Nippon car.

I've just found out about the ML Prototype from browsing the "car museum" at the Dome website. Searching for more information took me to this thread.

According to the Dome site, the car was designed for a proposed oval series:

1998 ML PROTOTYPE

A next generation formula car built for the oval course races to be held by Mugen.

http://www.dome.co.jp/e/museum/car_m/car_m33a.html





Sounds like a similar all-oval concept to EuroLights, which never got off the ground in Europe but for which Lola designed a chassis.

[jondownunder]

Actually I see the ML Prototype tested both on road courses (Suzuka and Motegi) and oval (Motegi) -

http://www.dome.co.jp/e/news/enews9902.html

I found that Dome recently uploaded a short video of it testing at Motegi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-mmrMP5QmE

Finally, more pictures at the Japanese version of the Dome Museum page:

http://www.dome.co.jp/museum/car_m/19_ml.html

[f1-gast]

Hm havent saw that info correctly then.
IF you see the car it looks like it's an F1 car.

[nome66]

it sounds... vaguely like a honda v8 indycar from 2007.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvgJLu1LRAY

[f1-gast]

does someone here speak Spanish ?
I found some document about the Bravo Team launch back in 1993

http://rapidshare.com/files/4049445777/ ... 25-034.pdf

[Ataxia]

I can give you a rough translation, too much effort to type it all in to Google translate...(though I used it for some individual words...)

F3000: The Spanish team gave a presentation yesterday in Albacete, where they have established their base. The team are working on a future project supported by national technological companies.

Bravo: Obsessed With F1

The F3000 team Bravo have made an official presentation in Albacete, a city that has a lovely permanent circuit and will serve as a base for the team whose sponsors are Caja de Ahorros de Castilla-La Mancha, Ajusa, Tudor and Trappatoni. Meanwhile, Carmen Bustamente, the mayoress of Albacete, presided over the event.

"We have established ourselves here in Albacete because here there are lots of facilities" said Jaume Magrans, general director of Bravo. "Our objective is clear: have a car in 5 years time made in Spain with the aid of our Spanish technological partners. We know that we wanted to be in F1 for 1993, but it just wasn't possible."

There are a lot of factors, and this is one of the most important: we're not here to make up the numbers. There are a lot of rule changes and with some delays to the project it is impossible to get our car ready for the first races. This has led us to rethink and wait for another year."

It is worth noting that Bravo has entered this season's International Formula 3000 Championship, a (something about the world) and that their star driver is the Catalan Jordi Gene, who was at the event.


That's as much as I can do now...perhaps someone who's actually Spanish could have a go.

[nome66]

what country is Albacete in?

EDIT: nevermind i found it

[DemocalypseNow]

what country is Albacete in?

EDIT: nevermind i found it

Think you're tripping on too many E's dude...

[sebastian35554]

Well can't hold my self to make this thread.
So post here the teams who never made it in the Formula 1.

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Let's start:
Trebon (1992/1993)



the Facts
The owner: Norbert Hamy
Engine: The car should be using the Judd V10
Build: Car should be build In Japan
Base: The base should be in England
Car: The car was full with new technologie but can't remember with what.
See pics =) for the car and also more info.

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Bravo F1 (1993)

the Facts
The owner: Jean Pierre Mosnier
Team manager: Adrian Campos
Engine: Judd V8
car: Updated Andrea Moda S921 (Design work used for Simtem S941)
Drivers: Nicola Larini and Jordi Gené Future drivers Pedro de la Rosa and Ivan Arias
Stopt: Because of the dead of Jean Pierre

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Lotus 112 (1994/1995)


the Facts
Chief Designer: Chris Murphy
Engine: Mugen-Honda ZA5D engine
Drivers: Alexandro Zanardi and Mika Salo
Stopt: Team Lotus stopt at the 17th of january 1995 because of a lack of sponsors and money

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Monteverdi (1991)


the Facts
Chief designer: Paul Monteverdi
Driver: JJ Lehto only testes the Monteverdi (See picture)
Stopt: Lack of money

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Ikuzawa (1994)


the Facts
Car type: HW001
Designer: Enrique Scalabroni
Teammanager: Peter Windsor

*Car shape should be tooked over by Jackie Stewart for his stewart team

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DAMS (1995/1996)


the Facts
Car type: GD01
Designer: Claude Galopin
Engine: Ford V8
Drivers: Eric Comas and Jan Lammers they only tested the dams at Paul Richard in October also Emmanuel Collard was called as a driver for the 1996 season
Stopt: The car was just to slow
Spewing oil over a row of potential investors in their workplace 3 weeks before the test

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DOME (1996/1997)


the Facts
Car type: F105
Engine: Mugen-Honda V10
Test drivers: Apicella later Shinji Nakano and Naoki Hattori
Stopt: Lack of money and interest of sponsors


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Prodrive (2008)


The Facts
The owner: Dave Richards
The manager: Dave Richards?
Engine: Mercedes FO180X
Build: Woking, UK
Base: The Fulcrum, UK
Car: A customer chassis - Prodrive were intended to buy the McLaren MP4-23
Stopped because: The FIA could not get customer chassis legislation through when Williams objected to the idea of a new team having instant success


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USF1 (2010)

The Facts
The owner: Ken Anderson and Peter Windsor
The manager: Peter Windsor
Engine: Cosworth CA2010
Build: Charlotte, USA
Base: Charlotte, USA
Car: USF1 Type-1
Drivers: Jose Maria Lopez and James Rossiter
Stopped: Production fell months behind schedule owing to serious mismanagement


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Stefan GP (1997, ????, 2010)

The Facts
The owner: Zoran Stefanovic
Team Manager: Zoran Stefanovic (?)
Engine: Toyota RVX-09, re-badged as Stefan RG-01
Build: Cologne, Germany
Base: Belgrade, Serbia
Car: Toyota TF110, re-christened Stefan S-01
Drivers: Kazuki Nakajima and Jacques VIlleneuve
Stopped: Missed out on entry bid process, carried on anyway, but rejected as an eleventh-hour entry when USF1 folded

Thanks for starting this thread about Formula 1 teams that never made it. It's interesting to learn about the teams that had ambitious plans but, for various reasons, couldn't fully materialize their dreams of competing in the sport.

From Trebon to Stefan GP, each team had its unique story and challenges. It's fascinating to see the different attempts, designs, and engines they pursued, even if they faced difficulties along the way.

I appreciate you sharing the facts and images of these teams, giving us a glimpse into their aspirations and endeavors. It's a reminder that the world of Formula 1 is full of innovation, determination, and sometimes unpredictable outcomes.

If anyone has further information or thoughts about these teams, feel free to join the conversation. Let's continue exploring the rich history of Formula 1 together!

[Har1MAS1415]

The Lola T95/30 springs to mind. Didn't help that it didn't have an airbox for a start.