Hungarian GP discussion

muttley · Post by **muttley** » 25 Jul 2009, 19:51

Here's the car weights.
And... surprise surprise, Alonso is at least 15 kg lighter than everybody else! :lol:

01 McLaren Mercedes Lewis Hamilton 650.5
02 McLaren Mercedes Heikki Kovalainen 655.5
04 Ferrari Kimi Räikkönen 651.5
05 BMW Sauber Robert Kubica *666.0
06 BMW Sauber Nick Heidfeld *658.0
07 Renault Fernando Alonso 637.5
08 Renault Nelson Piquet *667.7
09 Toyota Jarno Trulli *671.3
10 Toyota Timo Glock *679.2
11 STR Ferrari Jaime Alguersuari *675.5
12 STR Ferrari Sébastien Buemi *671.5
14 RBR Renault Mark Webber 652.0
15 RBR Renault Sebastian Vettel 655.0
16 Williams Toyota Nico Rosberg 654.0
17 Williams Toyota Kazuki Nakajima 658.0
20 Force India Mercedes Adrian Sutil *683.5
21 Force India Mercedes Giancarlo Fisichella *680.5
22 Brawn Mercedes Jenson Button 664.5
23 Brawn Mercedes Rubens Barrichello *689.0

muttley · Post by **muttley** » 25 Jul 2009, 19:57

Paul Hayes wrote:I don't wish to alarm anybody unduly, but AP are now reporting Massa's condition to be life threatening.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... wD99LLKR80

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

I read it just now. It's terrible.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 25 Jul 2009, 20:38

Massa's website, plus Formula1.com, both say the surgery went well, and that he's in IC. I suppose that's to be expected, after a surgery to save your life after skull damage.

Somehow, I want to look at the weights and laugh and point at Alonso, but simply can't.

I'll just point out that both Williams' are about as heavy as the Red Bulls, so there's some some potential there. And that Button is quite heavy, so expect him to come into play after the first stops.

Chilled Phill · Post by **Chilled Phill** » 25 Jul 2009, 20:40

*Touch Wood*

Tomorrow will be Nico's day.

watka · Post by **watka** » 25 Jul 2009, 21:07

A lot of the talk coming into the race was that Brawn would strike back on a warm track, but they've seemed to have gone backwards in pace. In the positive side, Jenson's got a heavy fuel load, on the negative side, he's got 3 KERS cars around him which will hold him up. I'm guessing it'll be 5th or 6th for him, depending on what strategy they can work out.

The Red Bulls look in best shape for the win if they can fend off Hamilton early on.

Pedro_Diniz · Post by **Pedro_Diniz** » 25 Jul 2009, 21:14

shinji wrote:I was at a barbecue in Wicklow (don't ask) all day

Quite the exciting life!

I'm banking on another turn 1 incident, what with all those KERS cars and the potentially feather-light Alonso ready to scrap for his track place, too.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 26 Jul 2009, 00:45

I want to see a Nico win.
But after seeing the replay of Massa's crash on youtube I think I've just lost almost all interest I had in the race.
Well the first corner is going to be one very juicy prospect.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 26 Jul 2009, 01:27

I'm hoping that the KERS cars can get the jump on everyone, and then proceed to back the field up. Or at least the Red Bulls.

Why? Because Button has an extra four laps of fuel on-board, and if the above proves true, he may be able to leapfrog everyone in the pits the way he did in Malaysia and Bahrain. The unplanned extra fuel may prove to be a blessing in disguise.

Enrique Bernoldi · Post by **Enrique Bernoldi** » 26 Jul 2009, 12:30

Hamilton leads!

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 26 Jul 2009, 13:42

Hamilton wins, Raikkonen second. Wow!

Will someone please ban the dustbin lids that cover the wheels, please?

muttley · Post by **muttley** » 26 Jul 2009, 13:44

Congratulations to Jaime Alguersuari for finishing his race in front of his teammate after being rubbished the whole weekend

Enrique Bernoldi · Post by **Enrique Bernoldi** » 26 Jul 2009, 13:50

muttley wrote:Congratulations to Jaime Alguersuari for finishing his race in front of his teammate after being rubbished the whole weekend

Yep, great drive from the kid. Kept out of trouble and put in some good times. Very un-reject worthy!

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 26 Jul 2009, 13:51

Whatever happened to Webber? We knew the Red Bull wasn't the very best car in the Hungaroring, but I was suprised Webber didn't make it. Any way, he finally overcomes Vettel in the WDC, only fair in my opinion.

Good race by Raikkonen as well.

Of course, my heart missed a beat when Nando Alonso's dustbin lid shattered, and then another when the wheel came adrift. Glad nobody got hurt, but the discussion is going to rage on.

muttley · Post by **muttley** » 26 Jul 2009, 13:57

CarlosFerreira wrote:Whatever happened to Webber? We knew the Red Bull wasn't the very best car in the Hungaroring, but I was suprised Webber didn't make it. Any way, he finally overcomes Vettel in the WDC, only fair in my opinion.

Good race by Raikkonen as well.

Of course, my heart missed a beat when Nando Alonso's dustbin lid shattered, and then another when the wheel came adrift. Glad nobody got hurt, but the discussion is going to rage on.

Bernie said that Charlie Whiting is going to look into the risk of cars losing parts. I have noticed that there are two types of dustbin lids: a circular one that stays inside the wheel rim (like Ferrari or Brawn for example have) and the rectangular one that Alonso lost. I won't be surprised if the second type will be banned after what happened.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 26 Jul 2009, 15:40

The so called "dustbin lids" remind me of those wheel trims you can buy at halfords (or any other car accesory outlet) and have no place in F1 they look silly....

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 26 Jul 2009, 16:15

Anyone see the world feed showing HWNSNBM talking to a Force India mechanic?

Fisi or Sutil, which one is he going to replace?

I wrote:So it is highly likely that the race will be a Button benefit.

I was wrong

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 26 Jul 2009, 17:24

Button and Brawn got very lucky today, championship-wise, and really dodged a bullet with Red Bull being unable to take full advantage of their troubles. But they won't get so lucky many more times - they really need to find out why this car, previously so unbeatable, is now struggling so badly. However, all is not lost - if they can squeeze just a little bit more performance out of it and get somewhere close to the Red Bulls, the fact that other teams can now also mix it up there should splinter the big points and keep the title within reach. But it'll be tough.

On the whole, for Hungary that was quite an entertaining race, especially early on.

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 26 Jul 2009, 17:50

Paul Hayes wrote:Button and Brawn got very lucky today, championship-wise, and really dodged a bullet with Red Bull being unable to take full advantage of their troubles. But they won't get so lucky many more times - they really need to find out why this car, previously so unbeatable, is now struggling so badly. However, all is not lost - if they can squeeze just a little bit more performance out of it and get somewhere close to the Red Bulls, the fact that other teams can now also mix it up there should splinter the big points and keep the title within reach. But it'll be tough.

On the whole, for Hungary that was quite an entertaining race, especially early on.

Found Button's mid-race whinge on the radio to be rather funny. "Why is it so BAAAADDD?" :lol:

Jack O Malley · Post by **Jack O Malley** » 26 Jul 2009, 18:18

Enforcer wrote:
Found Button's mid-race whinge on the radio to be rather funny. "Why is it so BAAAADDD?"

Indeed

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 26 Jul 2009, 18:19

Paul Hayes wrote:Button and Brawn got very lucky today, championship-wise, and really dodged a bullet with Red Bull being unable to take full advantage of their troubles. But they won't get so lucky many more times - they really need to find out why this car, previously so unbeatable, is now struggling so badly. However, all is not lost - if they can squeeze just a little bit more performance out of it and get somewhere close to the Red Bulls, the fact that other teams can now also mix it up there should splinter the big points and keep the title within reach. But it'll be tough.

On the whole, for Hungary that was quite an entertaining race, especially early on.

The championship might go right down the wire, something no one would've expected after the first 7 races that Button won 6 out of!!

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 26 Jul 2009, 18:21

Was that James Allen asking the questions in the post-race interviews with the top 3?

BBC didn't stay with it until right near the end in order to show him humping Hamilton in celebration which would have confirmed it but it sounded awfully like him to me.

I hope it's not a regular occurrence, as I hoped we'd got rid of him.

Debaser · Post by **Debaser** » 26 Jul 2009, 18:26

Yeah, it was him. It used to be Peter Windsor but when USF1 got an entry he stopped doing it. James Allen's a bad commentator but he's a good journalist, his blog has been very good this season, I don't mind him doing the interviews.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 26 Jul 2009, 18:52

Fair enough. I must admit he wasn't that bad and thankfully about 1000% less hyper than when he used to commentate.

Enrique Bernoldi · Post by **Enrique Bernoldi** » 26 Jul 2009, 20:42

Would rather have James Allen than Jonathan bloody Legard...

right?

Post by **Nuppiz** » 26 Jul 2009, 20:46

Nice to see such a shift in balance, I think. The race was much more eventful and entertaining than a regular Hungarian GP, for sure.

fjackdaw · Post by **fjackdaw** » 26 Jul 2009, 21:16

Enrique Bernoldi wrote:Would rather have James Allen than Jonathan bloody Legard...

right?

Definitely. I thought the ITV bunch were annoying, but between EJ and Jonathan "thad'll do" Legard, the BBC coverage is bordering on unwatchable. Martin's as good as ever, Jake is okay and David is worthy but dull - but the other two drive me up the wall. Eddie needs putting to sleep.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 26 Jul 2009, 21:19

For a moment, I thought everyone was going to drop KERS from a great height and we'd never see a victory by a car equipped with it. Even if it might have been an expensive confusion, KERS will have had a victory to its account. I like the idea.

muttley · Post by **muttley** » 26 Jul 2009, 21:40

Up to a few races ago, all the cars using KERS (Ferrari, McLaren and BMW) have been utter rubbish, and not just because of KERS. Now that 2 out of 3 (sorry BMW) have a decent performance, we start to see that KERS actually does give you a competitive advantage at the start and even during overtaking (Hamilton vs Webber today). If Ferrari and McLaren keep on working on it, I don't see why it can't be used again in 2010. New technologies (mini-skirts, turbo, semi-automatic gear, active suspensions) always need time and investments to be fully understood and exploited (and eventually banned by the FIA party-poopers).

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 26 Jul 2009, 23:07

noisebox wrote:I'm going to stick with one of my earlier predictions and go for a win for Lewis Hamilton...

You heard it here first... and I had Webber for a win in Germany. If only I was a gambler!

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 27 Jul 2009, 09:08

muttley wrote:Up to a few races ago, all the cars using KERS (Ferrari, McLaren and BMW) have been utter rubbish, and not just because of KERS. Now that 2 out of 3 (sorry BMW) have a decent performance, we start to see that KERS actually does give you a competitive advantage at the start and even during overtaking (Hamilton vs Webber today). If Ferrari and McLaren keep on working on it, I don't see why it can't be used again in 2010. New technologies (mini-skirts, turbo, semi-automatic gear, active suspensions) always need time and investments to be fully understood and exploited (and eventually banned by the FIA party-poopers).

If someone tries to ban mini-skirts, all hell will break loose...
As for KERS, I have argued before that, in its present incarnation, it's not good enough to offset the disadvantage. I say double the power or double the time of usage.

razta · Post by **razta** » 27 Jul 2009, 09:37

the other thing with the In-Season test ban, they really haven't be able to develop it as it could have been

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 27 Jul 2009, 09:38

razta wrote:the other thing with the In-Season test ban, they really haven't be able to develop it as it could have been

No doubt there.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 27 Jul 2009, 19:19

I just remembered that I meant to mention this - on the BBC, while they were going over the grid they were playing this, kind of strange IMO - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5tUVy3GzuQ&feature=related.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 27 Jul 2009, 19:49

shinji wrote:I just remembered that I meant to mention this - on the BBC, while they were going over the grid they were playing this, kind of strange IMO - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5tUVy3GzuQ&feature=related.

"This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions."

Dammit. :evil:

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 27 Jul 2009, 19:52

Nuppiz wrote:
shinji wrote:I just remembered that I meant to mention this - on the BBC, while they were going over the grid they were playing this, kind of strange IMO - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5tUVy3GzuQ&feature=related.

"This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions."

Dammit.

It's Bloodhound Gang - The Bad Touch

Basically uses a lot of wordplay around sexual acts (sorry, didn't really know what to say, and that just popped in to my head as it's always said on the news). "So put your hands down my pants and I bet you'll feel nuts".

Post by **Nuppiz** » 27 Jul 2009, 19:56

shinji wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:
shinji wrote:I just remembered that I meant to mention this - on the BBC, while they were going over the grid they were playing this, kind of strange IMO - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5tUVy3GzuQ&feature=related.

"This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions."

Dammit.

It's Bloodhound Gang - The Bad Touch

Basically uses a lot of wordplay around sexual acts (sorry, didn't really know what to say, and that just popped in to my head as it's always said on the news). "So put your hands down my pants and I bet you'll feel nuts".

Well, that's quite strange...

Pedro_Diniz · Post by **Pedro_Diniz** » 27 Jul 2009, 19:57

What.... such an odd selection to play :lol:

Coo · Post by **Coo** » 27 Jul 2009, 22:42

Haha, I noticed that too. Thank God they didn't use any of the lyric bits or else it would have drawn more complaints to the BBC than Sachsgate.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 28 Jul 2009, 14:07

Just re-watching the GP now. What the hell was that Red Bull strategy for Webber? I reckon if they'd let him on the Super Softs at the first pit stop and fuelled him a bit lighter, he'd have come out in front of Raikkonen and not been overtaken by Rosberg. That means he might have gone after Hamilton - he did the fastest lap of the race close to the end, over 0.5 seconds faster than the second best lap overall, by Hamilton. He certainly lost second place, might have lost a win with that decision.

It looked a lot like Toyota in Bahrain, if I'm honest.

Bort · Post by **Bort** » 28 Jul 2009, 23:40

Enrique Bernoldi wrote:Would rather have James Allen than Jonathan bloody Legard...

right?

Wrong.