Good choice, I guess. Although honestly I would have prefered if they had changed the outer course a bit to gain a FIA A license for it and use that one for the track, because to me, it looks quite promising.
Klon wrote:Good choice, I guess. Although honestly I would have prefered if they had changed the outer course a bit to gain a FIA A license for it and use that one for the track, because to me, it looks quite promising.
The only problem is, it has no important left-hand corners to speak of.
Klon wrote:Good choice, I guess. Although honestly I would have prefered if they had changed the outer course a bit to gain a FIA A license for it and use that one for the track, because to me, it looks quite promising.
The only problem is, it has no important left-hand corners to speak of.
Would that be a problem though? It would certainly spice up the action a little and give the drivers a challenge in tyre management, especially when negotiating the left turns on the track, much like motorcycles which have to adapt to the different sides of a tyre on a circuit with predominatly one type of corner. Plus with those straights, and the much reduced downforce next year, think of the slip-streaming that would be going on!
Klon wrote:Good choice, I guess. Although honestly I would have prefered if they had changed the outer course a bit to gain a FIA A license for it and use that one for the track, because to me, it looks quite promising.
That's a GREAT idea. And considering its in the middle of the desert, there is nothing to hit! PERFECT!
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Umm, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't mickey mouse-term referring to something very twisty and/or excessively confined. After all, I have this distinctive memory of said term applied to tracks like Caesars Palace and the Bugatti Circuit...
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Umm, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't mickey mouse-term referring to something very twisty and/or excessively confined. After all, I have this distinctive memory of said term applied to tracks like Caesars Palace and the Bugatti Circuit...
Could be. I've always associated it to silly circuits.
Umm, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't mickey mouse-term referring to something very twisty and/or excessively confined. After all, I have this distinctive memory of said term applied to tracks like Caesars Palace and the Bugatti Circuit...
Could be. I've always associated it to silly circuits.
Small, tight and twisty circuits are mickey mouse circuits
Where does that usage of the term, "Mickey Mouse", come from actually? The other day, I was wondering about it. What do those circuits have to do with Mickey Mouse? (And, if anyone knows, who came up with this term?)
Waris wrote:Where does that usage of the term, "Mickey Mouse", come from actually? The other day, I was wondering about it. What do those circuits have to do with Mickey Mouse? (And, if anyone knows, who came up with this term?)
It's a byword for "squiggly". I think the camouflage British Army vehicles displayed during the Africa campaign in WWII was already described as "Mickey Mouse".
Waris wrote:Where does that usage of the term, "Mickey Mouse", come from actually? The other day, I was wondering about it. What do those circuits have to do with Mickey Mouse? (And, if anyone knows, who came up with this term?)
It's a byword for "squiggly". I think the camouflage British Army vehicles displayed during the Africa campaign in WWII was already described as "Mickey Mouse".
It's long been a byword for anything a bit poor. Andrea Mickey Mouse for example. But not just in Motor Racing.
(& here we have a Portuguese man explaining English colloquialisms to somebody from Amsterdam. Only on Rejects!)
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Waris wrote:Where does that usage of the term, "Mickey Mouse", come from actually? The other day, I was wondering about it. What do those circuits have to do with Mickey Mouse? (And, if anyone knows, who came up with this term?)
It's a byword for "squiggly". I think the camouflage British Army vehicles displayed during the Africa campaign in WWII was already described as "Mickey Mouse".
It's long been a byword for anything a bit poor. Andrea Mickey Mouse for example. But not just in Motor Racing.
(& here we have a Portuguese man explaining English colloquialisms to somebody from Amsterdam. Only on Rejects!)
When people refer to mickey mouse sections on circuits they mean bits which add nothing to the racing, are just there for no particular reason other than to make the drivers turn one way then the other, almost as if the track designer is taking the mickey out of them.
That Bahrain outer circuit would be high speed and devoid of such bits, so not what I'd have thought of as that. I'd happily see them try stuff to improve Bahrain, but I think the best thing might be for them to leave and go to a racetrack in a country that has formula 1 fans.
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I thank you. Original post edited by me,to note, before I read that.
1001.....the slogan was "Cleans a big big carpet for less than half a crown" (2/6d or 12.5p)
DemocalypseNow wrote: when eagleash of all people says you've gone too far about something you just know that's when to apply the brakes and do a U-turn.
Many thanks for all the explanations, though Eagleash's link seems to back up my theory a bit
From "Stewart’s Corner: Buzzwords" "Mickey Mouse This is an AE [American English] expression that means something is simple or idiotic. Mickey Mouse is sometimes abbreviated to MM. When somebody is said to be running a Mickey Mouse operation, it is a negative term about a company, a government or the state of a national economy."
Phoenix wrote:Many thanks for all the explanations, though Eagleash's link seems to back up my theory a bit
From "Stewart’s Corner: Buzzwords" "Mickey Mouse This is an AE [American English] expression that means something is simple or idiotic. Mickey Mouse is sometimes abbreviated to MM. When somebody is said to be running a Mickey Mouse operation, it is a negative term about a company, a government or the state of a national economy."
"Stewart's Corner" which track is that on? Named after the "Scottish Lady"?
DemocalypseNow wrote: when eagleash of all people says you've gone too far about something you just know that's when to apply the brakes and do a U-turn.
I always took Mickey Mouse to mean overly tight and twisty.
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kostas22 wrote:THIS is a Mickey Mouse track... Walt Disney World Speedway, Florida. It's even hosted IndyCar and NASCAR races in the past.
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IdeFan wrote:I always took Mickey Mouse to mean overly tight and twisty.
Likewise. Mainly stemming from the fact that I've heard Rally Super Special Stages* (y'know, the silly head to heads in VERY confined spaces) referred to as "Mikki Hiiri pätkä" or "Mickey Mouse stage" since I was old enough to actually understand a thing about rally. And if THOSE ain't overly tight and twisty, then I don't know what is.
*Or whatever you call them, they were Super Special Stages in Colin McRae Rally so that's good enough for me *shakes fist*
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IdeFan wrote:I always took Mickey Mouse to mean overly tight and twisty.
Likewise. Mainly stemming from the fact that I've heard Rally Super Special Stages* (y'know, the silly head to heads in VERY confined spaces) referred to as "Mikki Hiiri pätkä" or "Mickey Mouse stage" since I was old enough to actually understand a thing about rally. And if THOSE ain't overly tight and twisty, then I don't know what is.
*Or whatever you call them, they were Super Special Stages in Colin McRae Rally so that's good enough for me *shakes fist*
Hagfors Sprint in Sweden basically defines Mikki Hiiri pätkä [or rather its Swedish equivalent].
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The outer course for Bahrain reminds me more of an oval, and if everyone's saying "imagine the slipstreaming", I say, why not just go the whole way and run...
Cynon wrote:The outer course for Bahrain reminds me more of an oval, and if everyone's saying "imagine the slipstreaming", I say, why not just go the whole way and run...
The green part.
Why so difficult, the track already has an oval in it...
Cynon wrote:The outer course for Bahrain reminds me more of an oval, and if everyone's saying "imagine the slipstreaming", I say, why not just go the whole way and run...
The green part.
Of all people in this forum, you should know that Pocono should never be created again.
Cynon wrote:The outer course for Bahrain reminds me more of an oval, and if everyone's saying "imagine the slipstreaming", I say, why not just go the whole way and run...
The green part.
Of all people in this forum, you should know that Pocono should never be created again.
*Insert series of self-directed expletives here*
Well, I made the turns really really sharp so that you'd have to mash the hell out of the brakes...
I do like the idea of an oval in Bahrain though, especially that... ... incorrectly-labelled-"6"-turn-one.
Cynon wrote:The outer course for Bahrain reminds me more of an oval, and if everyone's saying "imagine the slipstreaming", I say, why not just go the whole way and run...
The green part.
Of all people in this forum, you should know that Pocono should never be created again.
HOW IS THAT LIKE POCONO.
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Cynon wrote:The outer course for Bahrain reminds me more of an oval, and if everyone's saying "imagine the slipstreaming", I say, why not just go the whole way and run...
The green part.
Of all people in this forum, you should know that Pocono should never be created again.
Klon wrote:Good choice, I guess. Although honestly I would have prefered if they had changed the outer course a bit to gain a FIA A license for it and use that one for the track, because to me, it looks quite promising.
Looking at the mirror image of that track, the lower half of the track looks quite similar to the lower half of the A1-Ring as of circa 2003
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redbulljack14 wrote:The old layout was not a classic, but it sure as hell beats the one this year. We at least have an overtaking spot back.
Um, which one did we lose? Turn four? That's always been an overtaking spot.
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It's a wise decision to go back to the previous layout. The perimeter circuit would be something, though.
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JeremyMcClean wrote:How about dropping Bahrain all together? It's a stupid circuit, Magny-Cours or even Imola would be a better choice...
You do get that Bahrain pays many many moneys to dear Bernie so that they can hold the race, yes?
Magny-Cours and Imola? Poverty-stricken by comparison. Not great tracks either, so I wouldn't be particularly excited about either returning.
Anyway, Yuji Ide made his debut at Bahrain, so it's forever in my heart for that.
Are you on Bernie's side? I was saying that Magny-Cours and Imola were better tracks than Bahrain. I'm sure the FIA can think of something better. On second thought, I think they'll hire Tilke for a re-jig of the Adelaide circuit and see where that turns up 10 years later.
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JeremyMcClean wrote:How about dropping Bahrain all together? It's a stupid circuit, Magny-Cours or even Imola would be a better choice...
You do get that Bahrain pays many many moneys to dear Bernie so that they can hold the race, yes?
Magny-Cours and Imola? Poverty-stricken by comparison. Not great tracks either, so I wouldn't be particularly excited about either returning.
Anyway, Yuji Ide made his debut at Bahrain, so it's forever in my heart for that.
Are you on Bernie's side? I was saying that Magny-Cours and Imola were better tracks than Bahrain. I'm sure the FIA can think of something better. On second thought, I think they'll hire Tilke for a re-jig of the Adelaide circuit and see where that turns up 10 years later.
Shinji is right on the money. Plus, they're proper petrolheads in Bahrain. I reckon Bahrain's not an awful circuit, especially now the Mickey Mouse part is getting dropped.
Imola wasn't at all a bad circuit until "you know when". Fast, dangerous & the last few laps of 1982 showed what good racing it could provide.
It goes without saying that I dislike most of the newer tracks. But I said it anyway. Most seem to lack character & are all too alike.
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