1991 entry list
1 Senna
2 Berger
3 Prost/Morbidelli
4 Alesi
5 Piquet
6 Moreno/Schumacher
7 Patrese
8 Mansell
9 Nakajima
10 Modena
11 Suzuki
12 Bernard
14 Capelli/Wendlinger
15 Gugelmin
16 Bailey/Herbert/Bartels
17 Häkkinen
18 Caffi/Johansson
19 Alboreto
20 Brundle
21 Blundell
22 Boutsen
23 Comas
24 Martini
25 Morbidelli/Moreno
26 Johansson/Barbazza
27 Tarquini/Grouillard
28 Pirro
29 Lehto
30 Grouillard/Tarquini
31 Chaves/Hattori
32 de Cesaris
33 Gachot/Schumacher/Moreno/Zanardi
34 Larini
35 van de Poele
Standings
Mansell 8*72 = 576
Patrese 7*53 = 371
de Cesaris 32*9 = 288
Martini 24*6 = 144
Piquet 5*26,5 = 132,5
Gachot 33*4 = 132
Lehto 29*4 = 116
Prost 3*34 = 102
Modena 10*10 = 100
Senna 1*96 = 96
Berger 2*43 = 86
Alesi 4*21 = 84
Moreno 6*8 = 48
Brundle 20*2 = 40
Häkkinen 17*2 = 34
Pirro 28*1 = 28
Schumacher 6*4 = 24
Blundell 21*1 = 21
Nakajima 9*2 = 18
Bailey 16*1 = 16
Capelli 14*1 = 14
Bernard 12*1 = 12
Suzuki 11*1 = 11
Morbidelli 3*0,5 = 1,5
Huge Williams domination!
Jules Bianchi car number alt. championship
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Sry I'm doing this late (and thus sorry for championship table not displaying points scores per round, only total calculation) - after the race, I went to a christening party, then had dinner, and stuff so here it is in simplistic format. (Both tables are original position; driver; actual points scored x car no. = total)
Monaco GP results
Congratulations to Kamui! Boo to Ferdy.
Current Championship positions
Finally, something on the board for Rubens. Two of my favourite drivers in equal 2nd. And Heidfeld making a bit of a recovery from last week's fall down the table.
Monaco GP results
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5. Kobayashi 10 x 16 = 160
2. Alonso 18 x 5 = 90
7. Sutil 6 x 14 = 84
3. Button 15 x 4 = 60
8. Heidfeld 4 x 9 = 36
1. Vettel 25 x 1 = 25
4. Webber 12 x 2 = 24
6. Hamilton 8 x 3 = 24
9. Barrichello 2 x 11 = 22
10. Buemi 1 x 18 = 18 Congratulations to Kamui! Boo to Ferdy.
Current Championship positions
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5. Alonso 69 x 5 = 345
4. Button 76 x 4 = 304
10. Kobayashi 19 x 16 = 304
6. Heidfeld 29 x 9 = 261
2. Hamilton 85 x 3 = 255
9. Petrov 21 x 10 = 210
7. Rosberg 26 x 8 = 208
3. Webber 79 x 2 = 158
8. Massa 24 x 6 = 144
1. Vettel 143 x 1 = 143
13. Buemi 7 x 18 = 126
12. Sutil 8 x 14 = 112
11. Schumacher 14 x 7 = 98
14. Perez 2 x 17 = 34
16. Di Resta 2 x 15 = 30
15. Barrichello 2 x 11 = 22Finally, something on the board for Rubens. Two of my favourite drivers in equal 2nd. And Heidfeld making a bit of a recovery from last week's fall down the table.
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1990
1 Prost
2 Mansell
3 Senna
4 Berger
5 Patrese
6 Boutsen
7 Nannini/Moreno
8 Piquet
9 Alesi
10 Nakajima
11 Warwick
12 Donnelly/Herbert
14 Alboreto
15 Caffi/Schneider
16 de Cesaris
17 Morbidelli/Pirro
18 Modena
19 Foitek/Brabham
20 Johansson/Foitek
21 Lehto
22 Martini
23 Barilla/Morbidelli
24 Gugelmin
25 Capelli
26-27 vacant due to withdrawal of Rial
28 Alliot
29 Larini
30 Tarquini
31 Dalmas
32 Bernard
33 Suzuki
34 Grouillard
35 Gachot
36 Moreno
37 Langes
38 G Brabham/Giacomelli
Piquet 8*43=344
Senna 3*78=234
Boutsen 6*34=204
Suzuki 33*6=198
Berger 4*43=172
Bernard 32*5=160
Capelli 25*6=150
Nannini 7*21=147
Alesi 9*13=117
Patrese 5*23=115
Mansell 2*37=74
Prost 1*71=71
Moreno 7*6=42
Modena 18*2=36
Warwick 11*3=33
Caffi 15*2=30
Nakajima 10*3=30
Gugelmin 24*1=24
Brazilian robs another Brazilian a title.
1 Prost
2 Mansell
3 Senna
4 Berger
5 Patrese
6 Boutsen
7 Nannini/Moreno
8 Piquet
9 Alesi
10 Nakajima
11 Warwick
12 Donnelly/Herbert
14 Alboreto
15 Caffi/Schneider
16 de Cesaris
17 Morbidelli/Pirro
18 Modena
19 Foitek/Brabham
20 Johansson/Foitek
21 Lehto
22 Martini
23 Barilla/Morbidelli
24 Gugelmin
25 Capelli
26-27 vacant due to withdrawal of Rial
28 Alliot
29 Larini
30 Tarquini
31 Dalmas
32 Bernard
33 Suzuki
34 Grouillard
35 Gachot
36 Moreno
37 Langes
38 G Brabham/Giacomelli
Piquet 8*43=344
Senna 3*78=234
Boutsen 6*34=204
Suzuki 33*6=198
Berger 4*43=172
Bernard 32*5=160
Capelli 25*6=150
Nannini 7*21=147
Alesi 9*13=117
Patrese 5*23=115
Mansell 2*37=74
Prost 1*71=71
Moreno 7*6=42
Modena 18*2=36
Warwick 11*3=33
Caffi 15*2=30
Nakajima 10*3=30
Gugelmin 24*1=24
Brazilian robs another Brazilian a title.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Love the way Lotus have their real numbers, Williams do but the wrong way round, and Minardi are only just out!
Thinking back:
1989 should go to a Williams driver as they struggled in 1988 - probably Boutsen as he'll have the higher number being newcomer.
1988 is still probably Senna as McLaren were that far ahead!
1987 might still be Piquet, and if not him then Senna
1986 Piquet again probably
1985 Mansell as Williams struggled in 1984 and he'll have the higher number
1984 Prost as McLaren struggled in 1983 and he'll have the higher number
1983 Piquet as Brabham were very unreliable in 1982
1982 Pironi I reckon
1981 Piquet yet again since the second car only scored 1 point in 1980, giving him a high number
1980 er....can;t see past Piquet!
Piquet could win about 6 championships at this rate..........
Thinking back:
1989 should go to a Williams driver as they struggled in 1988 - probably Boutsen as he'll have the higher number being newcomer.
1988 is still probably Senna as McLaren were that far ahead!
1987 might still be Piquet, and if not him then Senna
1986 Piquet again probably
1985 Mansell as Williams struggled in 1984 and he'll have the higher number
1984 Prost as McLaren struggled in 1983 and he'll have the higher number
1983 Piquet as Brabham were very unreliable in 1982
1982 Pironi I reckon
1981 Piquet yet again since the second car only scored 1 point in 1980, giving him a high number
1980 er....can;t see past Piquet!
Piquet could win about 6 championships at this rate..........
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". 
(Tony Jardine, 1988)
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James1978 is right - it's Williams domination in 1989.
1 Senna
2 Prost
3 Berger
4 Mansell
5 Nannini
6 Herbert/Pirro
7 Piquet
8 Nakajima
9 Warwick/Donnelly
10 Cheever
11 Capelli
12 Gugelmin
14 Patrese
15 Boutsen
16 Palmer
17 Alboreto/Alesi/Herbert
18 Danner/Foitek/Gachot
19 Weidler/Raphanel
20 Martini/Barilla
21 Sala
22 Alliot
23 Dalmas/Bernard/Alboreto
24 Caffi
25 de Cesaris
26 Tarquini
27 Winkelhock/Dalmas
28 Moreno
29 Raphanel/Bertaggia
30 Arnoux
31 Grouillard
32 Larini
33 Ghinzani
34 Foitek/Larrauri
35 Schneider
36 Suzuki
37 Brundle
38 Modena
39 Johansson
40 Gachot/Lehto
Patrese 40*14 = 560
Boutsen 37*15 = 555
Johansson 6*39 = 234
Nannini 32*5 = 160
Prost 76*2 = 152
Mansell 38*4 = 152
Modena 4*38 = 152
Brundle 4*37 = 148
Alesi 8*17 = 136
Alboreto 6*17 = 102
de Cesaris 4*25 = 100
Martini 5*20 = 100
Caffi 4*24 = 96
Piquet 12*7 = 84
Berger 21*3 = 63
Warwick 7*9 = 63
Senna 60*1 = 60
Cheever 6*10 = 60
Arnoux 2*30 = 60
Danner 3*18 = 54
Gugelmin 4*12 = 48
Palmer 2*16 = 32
Grouillard 1*31 = 31
Herbert 5*6 = 30
Tarquini 1*26 = 26
Nakajima 3*8 = 24
Alliot 1*22 = 22
Sala 1*21 = 21
Pirro 2*6 = 12
But it's Patrese who beats Boutsen for the title!
1 Senna
2 Prost
3 Berger
4 Mansell
5 Nannini
6 Herbert/Pirro
7 Piquet
8 Nakajima
9 Warwick/Donnelly
10 Cheever
11 Capelli
12 Gugelmin
14 Patrese
15 Boutsen
16 Palmer
17 Alboreto/Alesi/Herbert
18 Danner/Foitek/Gachot
19 Weidler/Raphanel
20 Martini/Barilla
21 Sala
22 Alliot
23 Dalmas/Bernard/Alboreto
24 Caffi
25 de Cesaris
26 Tarquini
27 Winkelhock/Dalmas
28 Moreno
29 Raphanel/Bertaggia
30 Arnoux
31 Grouillard
32 Larini
33 Ghinzani
34 Foitek/Larrauri
35 Schneider
36 Suzuki
37 Brundle
38 Modena
39 Johansson
40 Gachot/Lehto
Patrese 40*14 = 560
Boutsen 37*15 = 555
Johansson 6*39 = 234
Nannini 32*5 = 160
Prost 76*2 = 152
Mansell 38*4 = 152
Modena 4*38 = 152
Brundle 4*37 = 148
Alesi 8*17 = 136
Alboreto 6*17 = 102
de Cesaris 4*25 = 100
Martini 5*20 = 100
Caffi 4*24 = 96
Piquet 12*7 = 84
Berger 21*3 = 63
Warwick 7*9 = 63
Senna 60*1 = 60
Cheever 6*10 = 60
Arnoux 2*30 = 60
Danner 3*18 = 54
Gugelmin 4*12 = 48
Palmer 2*16 = 32
Grouillard 1*31 = 31
Herbert 5*6 = 30
Tarquini 1*26 = 26
Nakajima 3*8 = 24
Alliot 1*22 = 22
Sala 1*21 = 21
Pirro 2*6 = 12
But it's Patrese who beats Boutsen for the title!
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1988 entry list:
1 Piquet
2 Nakajima
3 Mansell/Brundle/Schlesser
4 Patrese
5 Prost
6 Senna
7 Berger
8 Alboreto
9 Boutsen
10 Nannini
11 Palmer
12 Bailey
14 Cheever
15 Warwick
16-17 vacant
18 Alliot
19 Dalmas/Suzuki/Raphanel
20 Ghinzani
21 Schneider
22 Arnoux
23 Johansson
24 Streiff
25 Capelli
26 Gugelmin
27 Campos/Martini
28 Sala
29 Larini
30 Tarquini
31 de Cesaris
32 Larrauri
33 Modena
34 Caffi
And standings:
Senna 90*6 = 540
Prost 87*5 = 435
Capelli 17*25 = 425
Berger 41*7 = 287
Warwick 17*15 = 255
Boutsen 27*9 = 243
Alboreto 24*8 = 192
Gugelmin 5*26 = 130
de Cesaris 3*31 = 124
Nannini 12*10 = 120
Cheever 6*14 = 84
Palmer 5*11 = 55
Mansell 12*3 = 36
Patrese 8*4 = 32
Martini 1*27 = 27
Piquet 22*1 = 22
Nakajima 1*2 = 2
Capelli threatens Prost, but it's still McLaren 1-2.
1 Piquet
2 Nakajima
3 Mansell/Brundle/Schlesser
4 Patrese
5 Prost
6 Senna
7 Berger
8 Alboreto
9 Boutsen
10 Nannini
11 Palmer
12 Bailey
14 Cheever
15 Warwick
16-17 vacant
18 Alliot
19 Dalmas/Suzuki/Raphanel
20 Ghinzani
21 Schneider
22 Arnoux
23 Johansson
24 Streiff
25 Capelli
26 Gugelmin
27 Campos/Martini
28 Sala
29 Larini
30 Tarquini
31 de Cesaris
32 Larrauri
33 Modena
34 Caffi
And standings:
Senna 90*6 = 540
Prost 87*5 = 435
Capelli 17*25 = 425
Berger 41*7 = 287
Warwick 17*15 = 255
Boutsen 27*9 = 243
Alboreto 24*8 = 192
Gugelmin 5*26 = 130
de Cesaris 3*31 = 124
Nannini 12*10 = 120
Cheever 6*14 = 84
Palmer 5*11 = 55
Mansell 12*3 = 36
Patrese 8*4 = 32
Martini 1*27 = 27
Piquet 22*1 = 22
Nakajima 1*2 = 2
Capelli threatens Prost, but it's still McLaren 1-2.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Going to update this Monday - this race will finish too late tonight and I have to be up early enough in the morning...
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Canadian Grand Prix 2011
A good race for Petrov - not as many points as he scored in Australia, but equal-1st for points scored at this round, alongside the race winner (a rare occurance this year)! And our favourite Japanese race driver gets a good haul of points. Which leads to an interesting situation in the overall championship situation, which is even better than Petrov leading this championship after Australia...
Championship positions
Alonso falls from 1st to 3rd! Kamui goes to 2nd! Button leads! Let the season finish now! Unless Kamui can can the lead in Valencia...
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1. Jenson Button 25 x 4 = 100
5. Vitaly Petrov 10 x 10 = 100
7. Kamui Kobayashi 6 x 16 = 96
4. Michael Schumacher 12 x 7 = 84
8. Jaime Alguersuari 4 x 19 = 76
6. Felipe Massa 8 x 6 = 48
3. Mark Webber 15 x 2 = 30
9. Rubens Barrichello 2 x 11 = 22
2. Sebastian Vettel 18 x 1 = 18
10. Sebastien Buemi 1 x 18 = 18A good race for Petrov - not as many points as he scored in Australia, but equal-1st for points scored at this round, alongside the race winner (a rare occurance this year)! And our favourite Japanese race driver gets a good haul of points. Which leads to an interesting situation in the overall championship situation, which is even better than Petrov leading this championship after Australia...
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2. Jenson Button 101 x 4 = 404
11. Kamui Kobayashi 25 x 16 = 400
5. Fernando Alonso 69 x 5 = 345
7. Vitaly Petrov 31 x 10 = 310
8. Nick Heidfeld 29 x 9 = 261
4. Lewis Hamilton 85 x 3 = 255
10. Nico Rosberg 26 x 8 = 208
6. Felipe Massa 32 x 6 = 192
3. Mark Webber 94 x 2 = 188
9. Michael Schumacher 26 x 7 = 182
1. Sebastian Vettel 161 x 1 = 161
13. Sebastien Buemi 8 x 18 = 144
12. Adrian Sutil 8 x 14 = 112
14. Jaime Alguersuari 4 x 19 = 76
15. Rubens Barrichello 4 x 11 = 44
16. Sergio Perez 2 x 17 = 34
17. Paul Di Resta 2 x 15 = 30Alonso falls from 1st to 3rd! Kamui goes to 2nd! Button leads! Let the season finish now! Unless Kamui can can the lead in Valencia...
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
European Grand Prix at Valencia 2011
A good race for Alonso (boo!) and for Alguersuari (yay!). An average race for Button.
Championship Positions
Button retains his lead (yay!) by the narrowest of margins (boo!) while the top-3, of which Kobayashi is third (yay!), has pulled out a gap to early challenger, Petrov.
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2. Alonso 18 x 5 = 90
8. Alguersuari 4 x 19 = 76
5. Massa 10 x 6 = 60
7. Rosberg 6 x 8 = 48
4. Hamilton 12 x 3 = 36
6. Button 8 x 4 = 32
3. Webber 15 x 2 = 30
9. Sutil 2 x 14 = 28
1. Vettel 25 x 1 = 25
10. Heidfeld 1 x 9 = 9A good race for Alonso (boo!) and for Alguersuari (yay!). An average race for Button.
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2= Button 109 x 4 = 436
5. Alonso 87 x 5 = 435
11. Kobayashi 25 x 16 = 400
8. Petrov 31 x 10 = 310
4. Hamilton 97 x 3 = 291
9. Heidfeld 30 x 9 = 270
7. Rosberg 32 x 8 = 256
6. Massa 42 x 6 = 252
2= Webber 109 x 2 = 218
1. Vettel 186 x 1 = 186
10. Schumacher 26 x 7 = 182
13= Alguersuari 8 x 19 = 152
13= Buemi 8 x 18 = 144
12. Sutil 10 x 14 = 140
15. Barrichello 4 x 11 = 44
16= Perez 2 x 17 = 34
16= Di Resta 2 x 15 = 30 Button retains his lead (yay!) by the narrowest of margins (boo!) while the top-3, of which Kobayashi is third (yay!), has pulled out a gap to early challenger, Petrov.
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
British GP 2011
Curses to Alonso, Perez was sooooooo close to winning this round! Hamilton and Heidfeld score the same number of points.
Championship positions
Alonso now pulls out a bit of a lead here. Button and Kobayashi retain their comfortable 2nd and 3rd places despite their no-scores in Britain. There is now a strong 5-way battle for fourth between Hamilton, Rosberg, Massa, Petrov and Heidfeld. Being 8th and 9th must be disappointing for the two Renault drivers, considering their positions after their podiums in the first two races of the year.
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1. Alonso 25 x 5 = 125
7. Perez 6 x 17 = 102
6. Rosberg 8 x 8 = 64
5. Massa 10 x 6 = 60
4. Hamilton 12 x 3 = 36
8. Heidfeld 4 x 9 = 36
3. Webber 15 x 2 = 30
10. Alguersuari 1 x 19 = 19
2. Vettel 18 x 1 = 18
9. Schumacher 2 x 7 = 14Curses to Alonso, Perez was sooooooo close to winning this round! Hamilton and Heidfeld score the same number of points.
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3. Alonso 112 x 5 = 560
5. Button 109 x 4 = 436
11. Kobayashi 25 x 16 = 400
4. Hamilton 109 x 3 = 327
7. Rosberg 40 x 8 = 320
6. Massa 52 x 6 = 312
9. Petrov 31 x 10 = 310
8. Heidfeld 34 x 9 = 306
2. Webber 124 x 2 = 248
1. Vettel 204 x 1 = 204
10. Schumacher 28 x 7 = 196
13. Alguersuari 9 x 19 = 171
14. Buemi 8 x 18 = 144
12. Sutil 10 x 14 = 140
15. Perez 8 x 17 = 136
16. Barrichello 4 x 11 = 44
17. Di Resta 2 x 15 = 30Alonso now pulls out a bit of a lead here. Button and Kobayashi retain their comfortable 2nd and 3rd places despite their no-scores in Britain. There is now a strong 5-way battle for fourth between Hamilton, Rosberg, Massa, Petrov and Heidfeld. Being 8th and 9th must be disappointing for the two Renault drivers, considering their positions after their podiums in the first two races of the year.
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Original Car Number Allocation System (1950 - 1973)
Car numbers would vary from race-to-race, with numbers allocated by race organisers.
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Prior to 1996, the teams tended to keep the same numbers unless/until they won the championship (when they then swapped with the previous holders of the numbers 1 & 2). Here are my results for the originally-allocated numbers.
Overall Winners with previous car number allocation system: 1974 - 1995
*=Jim Clark/Colin Chapman Trophies for normally-aspirated cars
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In 1996, teams would no longer keep the numbers with which they raced for many years and the numbers are now allocated based upon finishing order in the previous year's Constructors' Championship.
Overall winners with current car number allocation system: 1996-date
Meaning the following drivers have the following number of titles:
It seems that in this, it is very hard to score two championships, let alone two consecutive titles, with Alonso this year looking to join Fangio, Hunt, Berger, Moss, Clark, Jones and Albereto to do so.
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Bleu's reallocation of car numbers using current system
(Bleu, I would be happy if you continued with this, to have something to compare against.)
Car numbers would vary from race-to-race, with numbers allocated by race organisers.
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Year Driver Points Driver's Team
1950 Juan-Manuel Fangio 458 Alfa Romeo
1951 Juan-Manuel Fangio 979 Alfa Romeo
1952 Alboreto Ascari 1218 Ferrari
1953 Juan-Manuel Fangio 762 Maserati
1954 Juan-Manuel Fangio 686 Maserati, Mercedes
1955 Maurice Trintignant 389 1/3 Ferrari
1956 Stirling Moss 699 Maserati
1957 Stirling Moss 502 Maserati, Vanwall
1958 George Amick 594 Epperly
1959 Phil Hill 544 FerrariCode: Select all
1960 Olivier Gendebien 400 Cooper
1961 Giancarlo Baghetti 450 Ferrari
1962 Bruce McLaren 452 Cooper
1963 Jim Clark 428 Lotus
1964 Jim Clark 416 Lotus
1965 Jackie Stewart 504 BRM
1966 Jack Brabham 354 Brabham
1967 Dan Gurney 364 Eagle
1968 Jacky Ickx 439 Ferrari
1969 Jackie Stewart 438 Matra
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1970 Jacky Ickx 466 Ferrari
1971 Ronnie Peterson 640 March
1972 Emerson Fittipaldi 824 Lotus
1973 James Hunt 378 March ===================================================================================================================================================
Prior to 1996, the teams tended to keep the same numbers unless/until they won the championship (when they then swapped with the previous holders of the numbers 1 & 2). Here are my results for the originally-allocated numbers.
Overall Winners with previous car number allocation system: 1974 - 1995
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Year Driver No. Points Driver's Team Winning Constructor
1974 Clay Regazzoni 11 572 Ferrari Ferrari
1975 James Hunt 24 792 Hesketh Ferrari
1976 James Hunt 11 759 McLaren McLaren
1977 Jody Scheckter 20 1100 Wolf Ferrari
1978 Carlos Reutemann 11 528 Ferrari Ferrari
1979 Alan Jones 27 1080 Williams WilliamsCode: Select all
1980 Alan Jones 27 1809 Williams Williams
1981 Jacques Laffite 26 1144 Ligier Ligier
1982 Didier Pironi 28 1092 Ferrari Ferrari
1983 Rene Arnoux 28 1372 Ferrari Ferrari
1984 Michele Alboreto 27 823.5 Ferrari Ferrari
1985 Michele Alboreto 27 1431 Ferrari Ferrari
1986 Ayrton Senna 12 660 Lotus Ferrari
1987 Gerhard Berger 28 1008 Ferrari Ferrari
1988 Gerhard Berger 28 1148 Ferrari McLaren
1989 Nigel Mansell 27 1026 Ferrari Ferrari
('87* Philippe Alliot 30 1290 Larrousse Larrousse)
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1990 Ayrton Senna 27 2106 McLaren McLaren
1991 Alain Prost 27 918 Ferrari Ferrari
1992 Michael Schumacher 19 1007 Benetton Benetton
1993 Ayrton Senna 8 584 McLaren Ferrari
1994 Gerhard Berger 28 1148 Ferrari Ferrari
1995 Jean Alesi 27 1134 Ferrari Ferrari
*=Jim Clark/Colin Chapman Trophies for normally-aspirated cars
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In 1996, teams would no longer keep the numbers with which they raced for many years and the numbers are now allocated based upon finishing order in the previous year's Constructors' Championship.
Overall winners with current car number allocation system: 1996-date
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Year Winner car no. Points Original position
1996 Damon Hill 5 485 1st
1997 David Coulthard 10 360 3rd=
1998 Mika Hakkinen 8 800 1st
1999 Heinz-Harald Frentzen 8 432 3rd
2000 Jacques Villeneuve 22 374 7th
2001 David Coulthard 4 260 2nd
2002 Juan-Pablo Montoya 6 300 3rd
2003 Kimi Raikkonen 6 546 2nd
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2005 Kimi Raikkonen 9 1008 2nd
2006 Jenson Button 12 672 6th
2007 Kimi Raikkonen 6 660 1st
2008 Lewis Hamilton 22 2156 1st
2009 Jenson Button 22 2090 1st
2010 Fernando Alonso 8 2016 2ndMeaning the following drivers have the following number of titles:
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Juan-Manuel Fangio 4 ('50, '51. '53, '54)
James Hunt 3 ('73, '75, '76)
Ayrton Senna 3 ('86, '90, '93)
Gerhard Berger 3 ('87, '88, '94)
Kimi Raikkonen 3 ('03, '05, '07)
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Stirling Moss 2 ('56, '57)
Jim Clark 2 ('63, '64)
Jackie Stewart 2 ('65, '69)
Jacky Ickx 2 ('68, '70)
Alan Jones 2 ('79, '80)
Michele Alboreto 2 ('84, '85)
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Alberto Ascari 1 ('52)
Maurice Trintignant 1 ('55)
George Amick 1 ('58)
Phil Hill 1 ('59)
Olivier Gendebien 1 ('60)
Giancarlo Baghetti 1 ('61)
Bruce McLaren 1 ('62)
Jack Brabham 1 ('66)
Dan Gurney 1 ('67)Code: Select all
Ronnie Peterson 1 ('71)
Emerson Fittipaldi 1 ('72)
Clay Regazzoni 1 ('74)
Jody Scheckter 1 ('77)
Carlos Reutemann 1 ('78)
Jacques Laffite 1 ('81)
Didier Pironi 1 ('82)
Rene Arnoux 1 ('83)
Nigel Mansell 1 ('89)Code: Select all
Alain Prost 1 ('91)
Michael Schumacher 1 ('92)
Jean Alesi 1 ('95)
Damon Hill 1 ('96)
Mika Hakkinen 1 ('98)
Heinz-Harald Frentzen 1 ('99)
Jacques Villeneuve 1 ('00)
Juan-Pablo Montoya 1 ('02)
Lewis Hamilton 1 ('08)
Fernando Alonso 1 ('10)It seems that in this, it is very hard to score two championships, let alone two consecutive titles, with Alonso this year looking to join Fangio, Hunt, Berger, Moss, Clark, Jones and Albereto to do so.
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Bleu's reallocation of car numbers using current system
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Year Driver No. Points
1988 Ayrton Senna 6 540
1989 Riccardo Patrese 14 560
1990 Nelson Piquet 8 344
1991 Nigel Mansell 8 576
1992 Michael Schumacher 7 371
1993 Michael Scumacher 5 260
1994 Michael Schumacher 5 460
1995 Heinz-Harald Frentzen 16 240(Bleu, I would be happy if you continued with this, to have something to compare against.)
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Due to boredom, I'll continue this backwards for a bit.
1990
Larrousse gain from this, moving from 6th to 3rd, while Tyrrell and Ferrari lose places, which you would expect considering their numbers.
Well, this is the one time Ferrari could not win it. Although it is their normal allocation of numbers that win it. And quite a lot of drivers at the same teams in pairs, or alternates between two teams' drivers.
1990
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new position Driver Team car no. points total revised total original position
1st Ayrton Senna McLaren 27 78 2106 1st
2nd Gerhard Berger McLaren 28 43 1204 3rd=
3rd Nelson Piquet Benetton 20 43 (44) 860 (880) 3rd=
4th Alessandro Nannini Benetton 19 21 399 8th
5th Aguri Suzuki Larrousse 30 6 180 10th=
6th Thierry Boutsen Williams 5 34 170 6th
7th Eric Bernard Larrousse 29 5 145 13th
8th Riccardo Patrese Williams 6 23 138 7th
9th Roberto Moreno Benetton 19 6 114 10th=
10th Ivan Capelli Leyton House 16 6 96 10th=Code: Select all
11th Nigel Mansell Ferrari 2 37 74 5th
12th Alain Prost Ferrari 1 71 (73) 71 (73) 2nd
13th Jean Alesi Tyrrell 4 13 52 9th
14th Derek Warwick Lotus 11 3 33 14th=
15th Alex Caffi Footwork Arrows 10 2 20 16th=
16th Stefano Modena MRD Brabham 8 2 16 16th=
17th Mauricio Gugelmin Leyton House 15 1 15 18th
18th Satoru Nakajima Tyrrell 3 3 9 14th=Code: Select all
1st McLaren 2106 + 1204 3310
2nd Benetton 860 + 399 + 114 1373
3rd Larrousse 180 + 145 325
4th Williams 170 + 138 308
5th Ferrari 74 + 71 145
6th Leyton House 96 + 15 111
7th Tyrrell 52 + 9 61
8th Lotus 33 33
9th Footwork Arrows 20 20
10th MRD Brabham 16 16Larrousse gain from this, moving from 6th to 3rd, while Tyrrell and Ferrari lose places, which you would expect considering their numbers.
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Wizzie wrote:tommykl wrote:Should I eventually do this from 1950 to 1995 after I finish the medals (if it gets enough votes, of course)?
There's no point in doing this before 1996 because of the different car numbering system before that point.
Plus, it means Ferrari will pretty much dominate the 80's and 90's unopposed.
Well, this is the one time Ferrari could not win it. Although it is their normal allocation of numbers that win it. And quite a lot of drivers at the same teams in pairs, or alternates between two teams' drivers.
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1989
This is the season which reflects why this system works!
Both of Onyx's drivers DNPQ'ed 8 times yet one of their drivers is 5th here - I don't go through race-by-race, but I suspect that they 'won' the Portugese GP with their 3rd place and their car number 36. Christian Danner DNQ'ed in 12 races yet finished 10th thanks to his single real-life 4th place in the USA. Tarquini, who DNPQ'ed for the entire 2nd-half of the season, gains several places. And both of BMS Scuderia Italia's drivers had either a DNQ or DNPQ yet gained a couple of places each here too. Each point that these drivers scored was worth so much more to these teams. Maybe if this system was in place, qualifying would have been less difficult for these underdogs?
(Oh, and it's interesting to notice that dropped scores still do not affect this championship - pre-dropped scores in brackets.)
Onyx jumped from 10th to 4th here. For a team that often knew DNPQ's (and even scored a double DNPQ immediately after their podium!) their podium ought to have been better rewarded. Rial also gain 3 places. This is what I wanted to achieve from this alternative championship!
This is the season which reflects why this system works!
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new position Driver Team car no. points total revised total original position
1st Nigel Mansell Ferrari 27 38 1026 4th
2nd Alessandro Nannini Benetton 19 32 608 6th
3rd Gerhard Berger Ferrari 28 21 588 7th
4th Riccardo Patrese Williams 6 40 240 3rd
5th Stefan Johansson Onyx 36 6 216 11th=
6th Thierry Boutsen Williams 5 37 185 5th
7th Alain Prost McLaren 2 76 (81) 152 (162) 1st
8th Nelson Piquet Lotus 11 12 132 8th
9th Pierluigi Martini Minardi 23 5 115 14th=
10th Christian Danner Rial 38 3 114 21st=Code: Select all
11th Johnny Herbert Benetton 20 5 100 14th=
12th Andrea de Cesaris BMS Scuderia Italia 22 4 88 16th=
13th Alex Caffi BMS Scuderia Italia 21 4 84 16th=
14th Derek Warwick Arrows 9 7 63 10th
15th= Ayrton Senna McLaren 1 60 60 2nd
15th= Eddie Cheever Arrows 10 6 60 11th=
15th= Mauricio Gugelmin Leyton House 15 4 60 16th=
18th Rene Arnoux Ligier 25 2 50 23rd=
19th Luis Perez-Sala Minardi 24 1 48 26th=
20th= Emanuele Pirro Benetton 20 2 40 23rd=
20th= Gabriele Tarquini AGS 40 1 40 26th=Code: Select all
22nd Satoru Nakajima Lotus 12 3 36 21st=
23rd= Jean Alesi Tyrrell 4 8 32 9th
23rd= Stefano Modena MRD Brabham 8 4 32 16th=
25th Phillipe Alliot Larrousse 30 1 30 26th=
26th Martin Brundle MRD Brabham 7 4 28 16th=
27th Olivier Grouillard Ligier 26 1 26 26th=
28th Michele Albereto Tyrrell 4 6 24 11th=
29th Jonathan Palmer Tyrrell 3 2 6 23rd=Both of Onyx's drivers DNPQ'ed 8 times yet one of their drivers is 5th here - I don't go through race-by-race, but I suspect that they 'won' the Portugese GP with their 3rd place and their car number 36. Christian Danner DNQ'ed in 12 races yet finished 10th thanks to his single real-life 4th place in the USA. Tarquini, who DNPQ'ed for the entire 2nd-half of the season, gains several places. And both of BMS Scuderia Italia's drivers had either a DNQ or DNPQ yet gained a couple of places each here too. Each point that these drivers scored was worth so much more to these teams. Maybe if this system was in place, qualifying would have been less difficult for these underdogs?
(Oh, and it's interesting to notice that dropped scores still do not affect this championship - pre-dropped scores in brackets.)
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1st Ferrari 1026 + 588 1614
2nd Benetton 608 + 100 + 40 748
3rd Williams 240 + 185 425
4th Onyx 216 216
5th McLaren 152 + 60 212
6th Lotus 132 + 36 168
7th Minardi 115 + 48 163
8th BMS Scuderia Italia 88 + 44 132
9th Arrows 63 + 60 123
10th Rial 114 114Code: Select all
11th Ligier 50 + 26 76
12th Tyrrell 32 + 24 + 6 62
13th Leyton House 60 60
14th MRD Brabham 32 + 28 60
15th AGS 40 40
16th Larrousse 30 30Onyx jumped from 10th to 4th here. For a team that often knew DNPQ's (and even scored a double DNPQ immediately after their podium!) their podium ought to have been better rewarded. Rial also gain 3 places. This is what I wanted to achieve from this alternative championship!
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1988
Dropped scores hurt Alain Prost here, falling from 1st to 3rd (worse than reality, where he still loses the championship to this rule). Not much change, other than the usual car number 1 dropping a load of places. De Cesaris in the Rial gains 4 places while Minardi's Martini gains a handful of places too - the aim of this alternative championship, although I was hoping for a bigger influence, as happened with 1989!
McLaren still easily win this, despite their drivers being the only two in the field to have to drop scores...
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new position Driver Team car no. points total revised total original position
1st Gerhard Berger Ferrari 28 41 1148 3rd
2nd Ayrton Senna McLaren 12 90 (94) 1080 (1128) 1st
3rd Alain Prost McLaren 11 87 (105) 957 (1155) 2nd
4th Michele Alboreto Ferrari 27 24 648 5th
5th Thierry Boutsen Benetton 20 27 540 4th
6th Derek Warwick Arrows 17 17 289 7th=
7th Ivan Capelli Leyton House 16 17 272 7th=
8th Alessandro Nannini Benetton 19 12 228 9th=
9th Eddie Cheever Arrows 18 6 108 12th
10th Mauricio Gugelmin Leyton House 15 5 75 13th=Code: Select all
11th Andrea de Cesaris Rial 22 3 66 15th
12th Nigel Mansell Williams 5 12 60 9th=
13th Riccardo Patrese Williams 6 8 48 11th
14th Pierluigi Martini Minardi 23 1 23 16th=
15th Nelson Piquet Lotus 1 22 22 6th
16th Jonathan Palmer Tyrrell 3 5 15 13th=
17th Satoru Nakajima Lotus 2 1 2 16th=Dropped scores hurt Alain Prost here, falling from 1st to 3rd (worse than reality, where he still loses the championship to this rule). Not much change, other than the usual car number 1 dropping a load of places. De Cesaris in the Rial gains 4 places while Minardi's Martini gains a handful of places too - the aim of this alternative championship, although I was hoping for a bigger influence, as happened with 1989!
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1st McLaren 1080 + 957 2037
2nd Ferrari 1148 + 648 1796
3rd Benetton 540 + 228 768
4th Arrows 289 + 108 397
5th Leyton House 272 + 75 347
6th Williams 60 + 48 108
7th Rial 66 66
8th Lotus 22 + 2 24
9th Minardi 23 23
10th Tyrrell 15 15McLaren still easily win this, despite their drivers being the only two in the field to have to drop scores...
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1987
Yannick Dalmas is unclassified because, according to Wikipedia, "Dalmas' Larrousse/Lola was ineligible for constructors points, as the team had entered only one car for the championship." His original 2 points came in the season finale in Australia, and had they been allowed, not only would have placed him well in this alternative championship, but would also have gained Larrousse an extra place in the Constructors' Championship:
Now off to calculate the Jim Clark and Colin Chapman Championships! (And I can guarentee that neither Jonathan Palmer nor Tyrrell will win this!)
EDIT: And here it is!
Jim Clark Championship
Colin Chapman Championship
And Larrousse did not need Dalmas's points from the final 3 races of the season after all! But those points would have placed Dalmas 4th in the J.C. Cup, despite only competing in 3 races...
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Gerhard Berger Ferrari 28 36 1008 5th
2nd Ayrton Senna Lotus 12 57 684 3rd
3rd Michele Albereto Ferrari 27 17 459 7th
4th Nelson Piquet Williams 6 73 (76) 438 (456) 1st
5th Thierry Boutsen Benetton 20 16 320 8th
6th Nigel Mansell Williams 5 61 305 2nd
7th Teo Fabi Benetton 19 12 228 9th
8th Eddie Cheever Arrows 18 8 144 10th
9th Philippe Alliot Larrousse 30 3 90 16th=
10th Satoru Nakajima Lotus 11 7 77 11th=
11th Stefan Johansson McLaren 2 30 60 6thCode: Select all
NC Yannick Dalmas Larrousse 29 0 (2) 0 (58) NC
12th Derek Warwick Arrows 17 3 51 16th=
13th Alain Prost McLaren 1 46 46 4th
14th Riccardo Patrese MRD Brabham 7 6 42 13th
15th Andrea de Cesaris MRD Brabham 8 4 32 14th=
16th Rene Arnoux Ligier 25 1 25 19th=
17th Jonathan Palmer Tyrrell 3 7 21 11th=
18th Martin Brundle Zakspeed 9 2 18 18th
19th= Phillippe Streiff Tyrrell 4 4 16 14th=
19th= Ivan Capelli Leyton House 16 1 16 19th=
21st Roberto Moreno AGS 14 1 14 19th=Yannick Dalmas is unclassified because, according to Wikipedia, "Dalmas' Larrousse/Lola was ineligible for constructors points, as the team had entered only one car for the championship." His original 2 points came in the season finale in Australia, and had they been allowed, not only would have placed him well in this alternative championship, but would also have gained Larrousse an extra place in the Constructors' Championship:
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1st Ferrari 1008 + 459 1467
2nd Lotus 684 + 77 761
3rd Williams 438 + 305 743
4th Benetton 320 + 228 548
5th Arrows 144 + 51 195
6th McLaren 60 + 46 106
7th Larrouse 90 (+ 58) 90 (148)
8th MRD Brabham 42 + 32 74
9th Tyrrell 21 + 16 37
10th Ligier 25 25
11th Zakspeed 18 18
12th Leyton House 16 16
13th AGS 14 14
Now off to calculate the Jim Clark and Colin Chapman Championships! (And I can guarentee that neither Jonathan Palmer nor Tyrrell will win this!)
EDIT: And here it is!
Jim Clark Championship
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Philippe Alliot Larrousse 30 43 1290 3rd
2nd Ivan Capelli Leyton House 16 38 608 4th
3rd Pascal Fabre AGS 14 35 490 5th
4th Philippe Streiff Tyrrell 4 74 296 2nd
5th Jonathan Palmer Tyrrell 3 95 285 1st
6th Roberto Moreno AGS 14 4 56 6th
7th Yannick Dalmas Larrousse 29 0 (13) 0 (377) 7th
8th Nicola Larini Coloni 32 0 0 8thColin Chapman Championship
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1st Larrousse 1290 (+ 377) 1290 (1667)
2nd Leyton House 608 608
3rd Tyrrell 296 + 285 581
4th AGS 490 + 56 546
5th Coloni 0 0And Larrousse did not need Dalmas's points from the final 3 races of the season after all! But those points would have placed Dalmas 4th in the J.C. Cup, despite only competing in 3 races...
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1986
A non-Ferrari/McLaren driver wins! (Although still a predictable name...)
...Yet Ferrari wins this. If only Lotus had a decent 2nd driver, someone like Derek Warwick, for instance... But Ferrari thus win this easily. Again.
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Ayrton Senna Lotus 12 55 660 4th
2nd Stefan Johansson Ferrari 28 23 644 5th
3rd Nelson Piquet Williams 6 69 414 3rd
4th Michele Alboreto Ferrari 27 14 378 8th=
5th Jacques Laffite Ligier 26 14 364 8th=
6th= Nigel Mansell Williams 5 70 (72) 350 (360) 2nd
6th= Rene Arnoux Ligier 25 14 350 8th=
8th Gerhard Berger Benetton 20 17 340 7th
9th Alain Prost McLaren 1 72 (74) 72 (74) 1st
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11th Keke Rosberg McLaren 2 22 44 6th
12th Teo Fabi Benetton 19 2 38 15th=
13th Johnny Dumfries Lotus 11 3 33 13th=
14th Patrick Tambay Haas-Lola 16 2 32 15th=
15th Philippe Alliot Ligier 26 1 26 18th=
16th Martin Brundle Tyrrell 3 8 24 11th
17th Christian Danner Arrows 17 1 17 18th=
18th Riccardo Patrese MRD Brabham 7 2 14 15th=
19th Philippe Streiff Tyrrell 4 3 12 13th=A non-Ferrari/McLaren driver wins! (Although still a predictable name...)
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1st Ferrari 644 + 378 1022
2nd Williams 414 + 350 764
3rd Ligier 364 + 350 + 26 740
4th Lotus 660 + 33 693
5th Benetton 340 + 38 378
6th McLaren 72 + 44 116
7th Haas-Lola 60 + 32 92
8th Tyrrell 24 + 12 36
9th Arrows 17 17
10th MRD Brabham 12 12...Yet Ferrari wins this. If only Lotus had a decent 2nd driver, someone like Derek Warwick, for instance... But Ferrari thus win this easily. Again.
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
I reckon 1980 could be an interesting year in this so I will push on and work backwards towards it!
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Considering that, in real life, Albereto led for most of the season, this one was inevitable (as 1979 will be as well).
1985
This is the worst that the driver of car number 1 has done so far (working backwards). The only drivers to have done nearly as badly under this system are Damon Hill in 1997 (driving for Arrows) and, ironically, Michael Schumacher in 2005, both ending up 18th. Normally, they do well enough to maintain a position somewhere around 10th or so. (Exactly the position Vettel is currently in, under this system.)
An absolute disaster for McLaren. And Tyrrell really do not come out smelling of roses in this, do they?
1985
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Michele Alboreto Ferrari 27 53 1431 2nd
2nd Stefan Johansson Ferrari 28 26 728 7th
3rd Ayrton Senna Lotus 12 38 456 4th
4th Jacques Laffite Ligier 26 16 416 9th
5th Elio de Angelis Lotus 11 33 363 5th
6th Keke Rosberg Williams 6 40 240 3rd
7th Thierry Boutsen Arrows 18 11 198 11th=
8th Patrick Tambay Renault 15 11 165 11th=
9th Nigel Mansell Williams 5 31 155 6th
10th Nelson Piquet Brabham 7 21 147 8thCode: Select all
11th Alain Prost McLaren 2 73 (76) 146 (152) 1st
12th Philippe Streiff Ligier 25 4 100 15th=
13th Rene Arnoux Ferrari 28 3 84 17th=
14th Derek Warwick Renault 16 5 80 13th=
15th Andrea de Cesaris Ligier 25 3 75 17th=
16th Gerhard Berger Arrows 17 3 51 17th=
17th Marc Surer Brabham 8 5 40 13th=
18th Stefan Bellof Tyrrell 4 4 16 15th=
19th Niki Lauda McLaren 1 14 14 10th
20th Ivan Capelli Tyrrell 4 3 12 17th=This is the worst that the driver of car number 1 has done so far (working backwards). The only drivers to have done nearly as badly under this system are Damon Hill in 1997 (driving for Arrows) and, ironically, Michael Schumacher in 2005, both ending up 18th. Normally, they do well enough to maintain a position somewhere around 10th or so. (Exactly the position Vettel is currently in, under this system.)
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1st Ferrari 1431 + 728 + 84 2243
2nd Lotus 456 + 363 819
3rd Ligier 416 + 100 + 75 591
4th Williams 240 + 155 395
5th Arrows 198 + 51 249
6th Renault 165 + 80 245
7th Brabham 147 + 40 187
8th McLaren 146 + 14 160
9th Tyrrell 16 + 12 28An absolute disaster for McLaren. And Tyrrell really do not come out smelling of roses in this, do they?
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1984
It has now been nearly a decade since F1 teams have held the same car numbers throughout a season, and Tyrrell have finally got fed up of carrying numbers 3 and 4 and placing awfully in the championship (as we shall find out in the upcoming days). Hence they decided that they deserved some performance breaks to try and boost their points total to move up the field somewhat. The FIA did not like the fact that they decided to cheat rather than discuss a reallocation of their numbers with the FIA and the other competitors, so disqualified them from the whole championship and forced them to continue with 3 and 4 for the remainder of the time in which F1 would use this system of team car number allocation.
And Stefan Johansson, although he drove for Tyrrell, later managed to secure a seat at Toleman for one race, replacing Senna, in which he scored his only points. He then moved to the higher-numbered Toleman for the rest of the year, but scored no further points. But if he had been in the number 20 Toleman for his 4th-placed finish, he would still have been 15th here.
And I really was hoping for once that, because the leading Ferrari driver was fourth and with less than half the total of the winning McLaren drivers, that McLaren might take this championship this year, but it wasn't to be.
A bad year for Brabham...
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Michele Alboreto Ferrari 27 30.5 823.5 4th
2nd Rene Arnoux Ferrari 28 27 756 6th
3rd Niki Lauda McLaren 8 72 576 1st
4th Alain Prost McLaren 7 71.5 500.5 2nd
5th Elio de Angelis Lotus 11 34 374 3rd
6th Derek Warwick Renault 16 23 368 7th
7th Ayrton Senna Toleman 19 13 247 9th=
8th Riccardo Patrese Benetton 22 8 176 13th
9th Patrick Tambay Renault 15 11 162 11th
10th Nigel Mansell Lotus 12 13 156 9th=Code: Select all
11th Keke Rosberg Williams 6 20.5 123 8th
12th Thierry Boutsen Arrows 18 5 90 14th=
13th Andrea de Cesaris Ligier 26 3 78 16th=
14th Eddie Cheever Benetton 23 3 69 16th=
15th Stefan Johansson Toleman 19 3 57 16th=
16th Piercarlo Ghinzani Osella 24 2 48 19th
17th Nelson Piquet Brabham 1 29 29 5th
18th Jacques Laffite Williams 5 5 25 14th=
19th Teo Fabi Brabham 2 9 18 12th
20th Marc Surer Arrows 17 1 17 20thIt has now been nearly a decade since F1 teams have held the same car numbers throughout a season, and Tyrrell have finally got fed up of carrying numbers 3 and 4 and placing awfully in the championship (as we shall find out in the upcoming days). Hence they decided that they deserved some performance breaks to try and boost their points total to move up the field somewhat. The FIA did not like the fact that they decided to cheat rather than discuss a reallocation of their numbers with the FIA and the other competitors, so disqualified them from the whole championship and forced them to continue with 3 and 4 for the remainder of the time in which F1 would use this system of team car number allocation.
And Stefan Johansson, although he drove for Tyrrell, later managed to secure a seat at Toleman for one race, replacing Senna, in which he scored his only points. He then moved to the higher-numbered Toleman for the rest of the year, but scored no further points. But if he had been in the number 20 Toleman for his 4th-placed finish, he would still have been 15th here.
And I really was hoping for once that, because the leading Ferrari driver was fourth and with less than half the total of the winning McLaren drivers, that McLaren might take this championship this year, but it wasn't to be.
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1st Ferrari 823.5 + 756 1579.5
2nd McLaren 576 + 500.5 1076.5
3rd= Lotus 374 + 156 530
3rd= Renault 368 + 162 530
5th Toleman 247 + 57 304
6th Benetton 176 + 69 245
7th Williams 123 + 25 148
8th Arrows 90 + 17 107
9th Ligier 78 78
10th Osella 48 48
11th Brabham 29 + 18 47
A bad year for Brabham...
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1983
Derek Warwick gains well from this, and Nelson Piquet really loses out. And the Ferrari benefit continues. Which means that the odd occasion that Ferrari don't win either title more impressive for whoever manages it (Ayrton Senna...)
Gains for Alfa and Toleman. And Ferrari keeps the Constuctors Title that they actually won in real life!
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Rene Arnoux Ferrari 28 49 1372 3rd
2nd Patrick Tambay Ferrari 27 40 1080 4th
3rd Alain Prost Renault 15 57 855 2nd
4th Eddie Cheever Renault 16 22 352 6th=
5th Andrea de Cesaris Alfa Romeo 22 15 330 8th
6th Derek Warwick Toleman 35 9 315 14th
7th Nelson Piquet Brabham 5 59 295 1st
8th John Watson McLaren 7 22 154 6th=
9th Nigel Mansell Lotus 12 10 120 12th=
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11th Niki Lauda McLaren 8 12 96 10th
12th Riccardo Patrese Brabham 6 13 78 9th
13th Mauro Baldi Alfa Romeo 23 3 69 16th
14th Bruno Giacomelli Toleman 36 1 36 19th=
15th Johnny Cecotto Theodore 34 1 34 19th=
16th Michele Alboreto Tyrrell 3 10 30 12th=
17th Keke Rosberg Williams 1 27 27 5th
18th= Jacques Laffite Williams 2 11 22 11th
18th= Elio de Angelis Lotus 11 2 22 17th=
20th Danny Sullivan Tyrrell 4 2 8 17th=Derek Warwick gains well from this, and Nelson Piquet really loses out. And the Ferrari benefit continues. Which means that the odd occasion that Ferrari don't win either title more impressive for whoever manages it (Ayrton Senna...)
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1st Ferrari 1372 + 1080 2452
2nd Renault 855 + 352 1207
3rd Alfa Romeo 330 + 69 399
4th Brabham 295 + 78 373
5th Toleman 315 + 36 351
6th McLaren 154 + 96 250
7th Lotus 120 + 22 142
8th Arrows 116 116
9th Williams 27 + 22 49
10th Tyrrell 30 + 8 38
11th Theodore 34 34Gains for Alfa and Toleman. And Ferrari keeps the Constuctors Title that they actually won in real life!
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1982
Pironi only spent 4 races together as teammates, but they were able to score enough points in their partial seasons to gain first and second here. A shame that Villeneuve only had his single second place in the highly controversial San Marino GP to count towards his points total. And seeing Eddie Cheever rise from 12th to 5th in this makes me wonder why Ligier never got close to winning the championship under this system, considering that their numbers were so close to that of Ferrari's (25 & 26 v. 27 & 28).
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Didier Pironi Ferrari 28 39 1092 2nd=
2nd Patrick Tambay Ferrari 27 25 675 7th=
3rd Alain Prost Renault 15 34 510 4th
4th Rene Arnoux Renault 16 28 448 6th
5th Eddie Cheever Ligier 25 15 375 12th
6th John Watson McLaren 7 39 273 2nd=
7th Keke Rosberg Williams 6 44 264 1st
8th Elio de Angelis Lotus 11 23 253 9th
9th Niki Lauda McLaren 8 30 240 5th
10th Gilles Villeneuve Ferrari 27 6 162 15th=Code: Select all
11th Jacques Laffite Ligier 26 5 130 17th=
12th Mario Andretti Ferrari 28 4 112 19th
13th Andrea de Cesaris Alfa Romeo 22 5 110 17th=
14th Jean-Pierre Jarier Osella 31 3 93 20th=
15th Marc Surer Arrows 29 3 87 20th=
16th Nigel Mansell Lotus 12 7 84 14th
17th Michele Alboreto Tyrrell 3 25 75 7th=
18th Mauro Baldi Arrows 30 2 60 22nd=
19th Bruno Giacomelli Alfa Romeo 23 2 46 22nd=
20th Riccardo Patrese Brabham 2 21 42 10thCode: Select all
21st Derek Daly Williams 5 8 40 13th
22nd Carlos Reutemann Williams 5 6 30 15th=
23rd= Nelson Piquet Brabham 1 20 20 11th
23rd= Eliseo Salazar ATS 10 2 20 22nd=
23rd= Chico Serra Fittipaldi 20 1 20 26th
26th Manfred Winklehock ATS 9 2 18 22nd=Pironi only spent 4 races together as teammates, but they were able to score enough points in their partial seasons to gain first and second here. A shame that Villeneuve only had his single second place in the highly controversial San Marino GP to count towards his points total. And seeing Eddie Cheever rise from 12th to 5th in this makes me wonder why Ligier never got close to winning the championship under this system, considering that their numbers were so close to that of Ferrari's (25 & 26 v. 27 & 28).
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1st Ferrari 1092 + 675 + 162 + 112 2041
2nd Renault 510 + 448 958
3rd McLaren 273 + 240 513
4th Ligier 375 + 130 505
5th Lotus 253 + 84 337
6th Williams 264 + 40 + 30 334
7th Alfa Romeo 110 + 46 156
8th Arrows 87 + 60 147
9th Osella 93 93
10th Tyrrell 75 75
11th Brabham 42 + 20 62
12th ATS 20 + 18 38
13th Fittipaldi 20 20watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1981
It's ironic. When I wrote the last post, wondering why Ligier never got close to winning this, I had not yet looked forward to this year (1981). The second Ligier had three drivers in it and all year, only one of them managed a single finish, in 7th. Tambay managed 8 retirements in a row in all his 8 races in that second Ligier while Lafitte had 6 all year. Jaubouille also had a pair of retirements and a pair of DNQs in it. I had to be careful with Salazar and Borgudd as Slim had driven both ATSs and Salazar had driven both Marches as well as the Ensign.
And despite only one Ligier scoring, they win the Constructors' Championship. Ferrari still manage 2nd place though.
1980 will not see Ferrari win, as they carry numbers 1 and 2 while Williams have the numbers 27 and 28...
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Jacques Laffite Ligier 26 44 1144 4th
2nd Gilles Villeneuve Ferrari 27 25 675 7th
3rd Alain Prost Renault 15 43 645 5th
4th Riccardo Patrese Arrows 29 10 290 11th=
5th Didier Pironi Ferrari 28 9 252 13th
6th Nelson Piquet Brabham 5 50 250 1st
7th John Watson McLaren 7 27 189 6th
8th Rene Arnoux Renault 16 11 176 9th=
9th Bruno Giacomelli Alfa Romeo 23 7 161 15th
10th Elio de Angelis Lotus 11 14 154 8thCode: Select all
11th Carlos Reutemann Williams 2 49 98 2nd
12th Nigel Mansell Lotus 12 8 96 14th
13th= Hector Rebaque Brabham 6 11 66 9th=
13th= Mario Andretti Alfa Romeo 22 3 66 17th
15th Marc Surer Ensign 14 4 56 16th
16th Alan Jones Williams 1 46 46 3rd
17th Patrick Tambay Theodore 33 1 33 18th=
18th Eddie Cheever Tyrrell 3 10 30 11th=
19th Eliseo Salazar Ensign 14 1 14 18th=
20th Slim Borgudd ATS 9 1 9 18th=
21st Andrea de Cesaris McLaren 8 1 8 18th=It's ironic. When I wrote the last post, wondering why Ligier never got close to winning this, I had not yet looked forward to this year (1981). The second Ligier had three drivers in it and all year, only one of them managed a single finish, in 7th. Tambay managed 8 retirements in a row in all his 8 races in that second Ligier while Lafitte had 6 all year. Jaubouille also had a pair of retirements and a pair of DNQs in it. I had to be careful with Salazar and Borgudd as Slim had driven both ATSs and Salazar had driven both Marches as well as the Ensign.
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1st Ligier 1144 1144
2nd Ferrari 675 + 252 927
3rd Renault 645 + 176 821
4th Brabham 250 + 66 316
5th Arrows 290 290
6th Lotus 154 + 96 250
7th Alfa Romeo 161 + 66 227
8th McLaren 189 + 8 197
9th Williams 98 + 46 144
10th Ensign 56 + 14 70
11th Theodore 33 33
12th ATS 9 9And despite only one Ligier scoring, they win the Constructors' Championship. Ferrari still manage 2nd place though.
1980 will not see Ferrari win, as they carry numbers 1 and 2 while Williams have the numbers 27 and 28...
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1980
Only the fourth time (working backwards) that the real champion also wins this, following Mika Hakkinen in 1998, Damon Hill in 1996 and Ayrton Senna in 1990. Ligeir are competitive but can't quite overcome the Williams domination.
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Alan Jones Williams 27 67 (71) 1809 (1917) 1st
2nd Carlos Reutemann Williams 28 42 (49) 1176 (1372) 3rd
3rd Jacques Laffite Ligier 26 34 884 4th
4th Didier Pironi Ligier 25 32 800 5th
5th Rene Arnoux Renault 16 29 464 6th
6th Nelson Piquet Brabham 5 54 270 2nd
7th Riccardo Patrese Arrows 29 7 203 9th
8th Elio de Angelis Lotus 12 13 156 7th
9th Jean-Pierre Jabouille Renault 15 9 135 8th
10th= Keke Rosberg Fittipaldi 20 6 120 10th=
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12th Emerson Fittipaldi Fittipaldi 21 5 105 15th=
13th Bruno Giacomelli Alfa Romeo 23 4 92 17th=
14th John Watson McLaren 7 6 42 10th=
15th Alain Prost McLaren 8 5 40 15th=
16th Derek Daly Tyrrell 4 6 24 10th=
17th Jean-Pierre Jarier Tyrrell 3 6 18 10th=
18th Gilles Villeneuve Ferrari 2 6 12 10th=
19th Mario Andretti Lotus 11 1 11 20th=
20th Hector Rebaque Brabham 6 1 6 20th=
21st Jody Scheckter Ferrari 1 2 2 19thOnly the fourth time (working backwards) that the real champion also wins this, following Mika Hakkinen in 1998, Damon Hill in 1996 and Ayrton Senna in 1990. Ligeir are competitive but can't quite overcome the Williams domination.
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1st Williams 1809 + 1176 2985
2nd Ligier 884 + 800 1684
3rd Renault 464 + 135 599
4th Brabham 270 + 6 276
5th Arrows 203 + 120 323
6th Lotus 156 + 11 167
7th Fittipaldi 120 + 105 225
8th Alfa Romeo 92 92
9th McLaren 42 + 40 82
10th Tyrrell 24 + 18 42
11th Ferrari 12 + 2 14watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Now that Williams have the numbers 27 and 28 in the mid-to-late 1970s, they are likely to dominate this in the way the Ferrari did in the 1980s. Although they did not win until 1979...
1979
An expected victory. Ferrari and Ligier also do well, as is also expected.
EDIT: Forgot to add that although as many as 6 drivers had to drop scores in this championship (up to 9 points in Jody's case), it would have made no difference other than reversing the two Ferrari drivers' positions.
1979
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Alan Jones Williams 27 40 1080 3rd
2nd Jacques Laffite Ligier 26 36 936 4th
3rd Clay Regazzoni Williams 28 29 812 5th
4th Gilles Villeneuve Ferrari 12 47 564 2nd
5th Jody Scheckter Ferrari 11 51 561 1st
6th Patrick Depailler Ligier 25 20 500 7th
7th Rene Arnoux Renault 16 17 272 8th
8th Jean-Pierre Jabouille Renault 15 9 135 13th
9th John Watson McLaren 7 15 105 9th
10th Jochen Mass Arrows 30 3 90 15th=Code: Select all
11th Jackie Ickx Ligier 25 3 75 15th=
12th Riccardo Patrese Arrows 29 2 58 19th=
13th Jean-Pierre Jarier Tyrrell 4 14 56 10th=
14th Elio de Angelis Shadow 18 3 54 15th=
15th Didier Pironi Tyrrell 3 14 42 10th=
16th Carlos Reutemann Lotus 2 20 40 6th
17th Niki Lauda Brabham 5 4 20 14th
18th Nelson Piquet Brabham 6 3 18 15th=
19th Hans Joachim Stuck ATS 9 2 18 19th=
20th= Mario Andretti Lotus 1 14 14 10th=
20th= Emerson Fittipaldi Fittipaldi 14 1 14 21stAn expected victory. Ferrari and Ligier also do well, as is also expected.
EDIT: Forgot to add that although as many as 6 drivers had to drop scores in this championship (up to 9 points in Jody's case), it would have made no difference other than reversing the two Ferrari drivers' positions.
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1st Williams 1080 + 812 1892
2nd Ligier 936 + 500 + 75 1511
3rd Ferrari 564 + 561 1125
4th Renault 272 + 135 407
5th Arrows 90 + 58 148
6th McLaren 105 105
7th Tyrrell 56 + 42 98
8th= Shadow 54 54
8th= Lotus 40 + 14 54
10th Brabham 20 + 18 38
11th ATS 18 18
12th Fittipaldi 14 14watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1978
What in the 1980s and early 1990s might be seen as an inevitable win isn't necessarily so here. Reutemann wins this with car number 11, the second-smallest number under this car-numbering system (1974 - 1995 inclusive). Williams only have one car and this is now in their pre-win era. Patrese does well in his number 35 Arrows here. He could have won overall had he scored 16 points originally. Ligier and Wolf also get very close to success here. And Rebaque scores a point in a privately-entered Lotus.
I have added this up in the same way it is calculated now, but in those days, only the top-scoring car from each team scored. But I'll leave it like this for these last few years, for comparative purposes.
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Carlos Reutemann Ferrari 11 48 528 3rd
2nd Jacques Laffite Ligier 26 19 494 8th
3rd Jody Scheckter Wolf 20 24 480 7th
4th Riccardo Patrese Arrows 35 11 385 11th=
5th Mario Andretti Lotus 5 64 320 1st
6th Ronnie Peterson Lotus 6 51 306 2nd
7th Alan Jones Williams 27 11 297 11th=
8th Emerson Fittipaldi Fittipaldi 14 17 238 9th=
9th Gilles Villeneuve Ferrari 12 17 204 9th=
10th Patrick Depailler Tyrrell 4 34 136 5thCode: Select all
11th Clay Regazzoni Shadow 17 4 68 16th
12th Patrick Tambay McLaren 8 8 64 13th=
13th James Hunt McLaren 7 8 56 13th=
14th John Watson Brabham 2 25 50 6th
15th Jean-Pierre Jabouille Renault 15 3 45 17th
16th Niki Lauda Brabham 1 44 44 4th
17th Hans Joachim Stuck Shadow 16 2 32 18th
18th Hector Rebaque Team Rebaque 25 1 25 19th=
19th Derek Daly Ensign 22 1 22 19th=
20th Didier Pironi Tyrrell 3 7 21 15th
21st Vittorio Brambilla Surtees 19 1 19 19th=What in the 1980s and early 1990s might be seen as an inevitable win isn't necessarily so here. Reutemann wins this with car number 11, the second-smallest number under this car-numbering system (1974 - 1995 inclusive). Williams only have one car and this is now in their pre-win era. Patrese does well in his number 35 Arrows here. He could have won overall had he scored 16 points originally. Ligier and Wolf also get very close to success here. And Rebaque scores a point in a privately-entered Lotus.
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1st Ferrari 528 + 204 735
2nd Lotus 320 + 306 626
3rd Ligier 494 494
4th Wolf 480 480
5th Arrows 385 385
6th Williams 297 297
7th Fittipaldi 238 238
8th Tyrrell 136 + 21 157
9th McLaren 64 + 56 120Code: Select all
10th Shadow 68 + 32 100
11th Brabham 50 + 44 94
12th Renault 45 45
13th Team Rebaque 25 25
14th Ensign 22 22
15th Surtees 19 19I have added this up in the same way it is calculated now, but in those days, only the top-scoring car from each team scored. But I'll leave it like this for these last few years, for comparative purposes.
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1977
So which team wins?
Ferrari? NO!
Ligier? NO!
Williams? NO!
McLaren? NO!
Wolf? YES!
If Takahashi (Meiritsu team, Tyrrell chassis, car number 50), Takahara (Kojima, number 51) or Hoshino (Heros Racing/Kojima, number 52) scored just 1 point at Fuji, they would have at least equalled Jochen Mass in 15th. Just 2 points and they would have been 12th. Would not have been bad for a one-off entry. But it was not to be. And it is good to see another team win this, rather than the usual suspects...
Well, you can't have it all, can you? Although, if only Walter Wolf entered a second car...
So which team wins?
Ferrari? NO!
Ligier? NO!
Williams? NO!
McLaren? NO!
Wolf? YES!
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Jody Scheckter Wolf 20 55 1100 2nd
2nd Niki Lauda Ferrari 11 72 792 1st
3rd Carlos Reutemann Ferrari 12 42 504 4th
4th Jacques Laffite Ligier 26 18 468 10th
5th Alan Jones Shadow 17 22 374 7th
6th Emerson Fittipaldi Fittipaldi 28 11 308 12th
7th Mario Andretti Lotus 5 47 235 3rd
8th Gunnar Nilsson Lotus 6 20 120 8th=
9th Patrick Tambay Theodore/Ensign 23 5 115 17th=
10th Vittorio Brambilla Surtees 19 6 114 15th=Code: Select all
11th Clay Reggazoni Ensign 22 5 110 17th=
12th Hans Joachim Stuck Brabham 8 12 96 11th
13th Patrick Depailler Tyrrell 4 20 80 8th=
14th John Watson Brabham 7 9 63 13th
15th Jochen Mass McLaren 2 25 50 6th
16th Carlos Pace Brabham 8 6 48 15th=
17th James Hunt McLaren 1 40 40 5th
18th Jean-Pierre Jarier ATS/Penske 34 1 34 19th=
19th Ronnie Peterson Tyrrell 3 7 21 14th
20th Renzo Zorzi Shadow 17 1 17 19th=
21st Riccardo Patrese Shadow 16 1 16 19th=If Takahashi (Meiritsu team, Tyrrell chassis, car number 50), Takahara (Kojima, number 51) or Hoshino (Heros Racing/Kojima, number 52) scored just 1 point at Fuji, they would have at least equalled Jochen Mass in 15th. Just 2 points and they would have been 12th. Would not have been bad for a one-off entry. But it was not to be. And it is good to see another team win this, rather than the usual suspects...
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1st Ferrari 792 + 504 1296
2nd Wolf 1100 1100
3rd Ligier 468 468
4th Shadow 374 + 17 + 16 407
5th Fittipaldi 308 308
6th Lotus 235 + 120 255
7th Brabham 96 + 63 159
8th Theodore/Ensign 115 115
9th Surtees 114 114
10th Ensign 110 110
11th Tyrrell 80 + 21 101
12th McLaren 50 + 40 90
13th ATS/Penske 34 34Well, you can't have it all, can you? Although, if only Walter Wolf entered a second car...
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1976
Rolf Stommelen does well, considering he only enters 3 races, and only one of those was in car 77! (The highest car to score so far working backwards). Watson and Laffite were the only drivers for Penske and Ligier respectively, and either could have won this with just 9 or 10 (real-life) points more.
Tyrrell's best season under this system. Had Penske or Ligier had a successful second driver, they could have taken this.
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st James Hunt McLaren 11 69 759 1st
2nd John Watson Penske 28 20 560 7th=
3rd Jacques Laffite Ligier 26 20 520 7th=
4th Hans-Joachim Stuck March 34 8 272 13th
5th Jochen Mass McLaren 12 19 228 9th
6th Tom Pryce Shadow 16 10 160 11th=
7th Patrick Depailler Tyrrell 4 39 393 4th
8th Jody Scheckter Tyrrell 3 49 147 3rd
9th Alan Jones Surtees 19 7 133 14th=
10th Mario Andretti 22 132 6th
(Parnelli 27 1 27)
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11th Ronnie Peterson March 10 10 100 11th=
12th Emerson Fittipaldi Fittipaldi 30 3 90 16th=
13th Rolf Stommelen Brabham 77 1 77 19th=
14th Niki Lauda Ferrari 1 68 68 2nd
15th Gunnar Nilsson Lotus 6 11 66 10th
16th Clay Regazzoni Ferrari 2 31 62 5th
17th Carlos Pace Brabham 8 7 56 14th=
18th Chris Amon Ensign 22 2 44 18th
19th Carlos Reutemann Brabham 7 3 21 16th=
20th Vittorio Brambilla March 9 1 9 19th=Rolf Stommelen does well, considering he only enters 3 races, and only one of those was in car 77! (The highest car to score so far working backwards). Watson and Laffite were the only drivers for Penske and Ligier respectively, and either could have won this with just 9 or 10 (real-life) points more.
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1st McLaren 759 + 228 987
2nd Penske 560 560
3rd Tyrrell 393 + 147 540
4th Ligier 520 520
5th March 272 + 100 + 9 381
6th Lotus 105 + 66 171
7th Shadow 160 160
8th Brabham 77 + 56 + 21 154
9th Surtees 133 133
10th Ferrari 68 + 62 130
11th Fittipaldi 90 90
12th Ensign 44 44
13th Parnelli 27 27Tyrrell's best season under this system. Had Penske or Ligier had a successful second driver, they could have taken this.
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Regarding Depailler, are you sure 4x39=393? 
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
tommykl wrote:Regarding Depailler, are you sure 4x39=393?
Wow, someone really is reading this, and checking for errors! And you're right, 4 x 39 does not equal 393. I shall change it now!
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1975
Yes! Ferrari don't win this, nor do Lotus, McLaren or Williams. If only Hesketh could have had a second driver, and one who could bring points in, they could have won the Constructors' here too... It wouldn't have needed to have been that many... And why couldn't Lella Lombardi have scored her (half-)point using the only car number she had used the year before - 208? That would then have got her to 104 points and 10th.
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st James Hunt Hesketh 24 33 792 4th
2nd Niki Lauda Ferrari 12 64.5 774 1st
3rd Clay Regazzoni Ferrari 11 25 275 5th
4th Carlos Reutemann Brabham 7 37 259 3rd
5th Carlos Pace Brabham 8 24 192 6th
6th Mario Andretti Parnelli 27 5 135 14th
7th Tom Pryce Shadow 16 8 128 10th
8th Jacques Laffite Williams 21 6 126 12th
9th Mark Donohue Penske 28 4 112 15th
10th Jody Scheckter Tyrrell 3 20 60 7thCode: Select all
11th Vittorio Brambilla March 9 6.5 58.5 11th
12th Patrick Depailler Tyrrell 4 12 48 9th
13th Emerson Fittipaldi McLaren 1 45 45 2nd
14th Alan Jones Hill 22 2 44 17th
15th Jochen Mass McLaren 2 20 40 8th
16th Gijs van Lennep Ensign 31 1 31 20th
17th Ronnie Peterson Lotus 5 6 30 13th
18th Jean-Pierre Jarier Shadow 17 1.5 25.5 18th
19th Tony Brise Hill 23 1 23 19th
20th Jacky Ickx Lotus 6 3 18 16th
21st Lella Lombardi March 10 0.5 5 21stYes! Ferrari don't win this, nor do Lotus, McLaren or Williams. If only Hesketh could have had a second driver, and one who could bring points in, they could have won the Constructors' here too... It wouldn't have needed to have been that many... And why couldn't Lella Lombardi have scored her (half-)point using the only car number she had used the year before - 208? That would then have got her to 104 points and 10th.
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1st Ferrari 774 + 275 1049
2nd Hesketh 792 792
3rd Brabham 259 + 192 451
4th Shadow 128 + 25.5 153.5
5th Parnelli 135 135
6th Williams 126 126
7th Penske 112 112
8th Tyrrell 60 + 48 108
9th McLaren 45 + 40 85
10th Hill 44 + 23 67
11th March 58.5 + 5 63.5
12th Lotus 30 + 18 48
13th Ensign 31 31 watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1974
If Lella Lombardi could only have qualified her Brabham in her one-off outing in Britain and scored a point, she would have been 7th on 208 points and summed up what this alternative championship would have been all about. And I am sad that James Hunt did not win this year as he then did in 1975. Alas, another Ferrari domination!
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new position Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Clay Regazzoni Ferrari 11 52 572 2nd
2nd Niki Lauda Ferrari 12 38 456 4th
3rd Mike Hailwood McLaren 33 12 396 10th=
4th James Hunt Hesketh 24 15 360 8th
5th Emerson Fittipaldi McLaren 5 55 275 1st
6th Carlos Reutemann Brabham 7 32 224 6th
7th John Watson Brabham (privately entered) 28 6 168 14th=
8th Jean-Pierre Beltoise BRM 14 10 140 13th
9th Jody Scheckter Tyrrell 3 45 135 3rd
10th Denny Hulme McLaren 6 20 120 7thCode: Select all
11th Carlos Pace 11 118 12th
(Surtees 18 3 54)
(Brabham 8 8 64)
12th Jean-Pierre Jarier Shadow 17 6 102 14th=
13th Arturo Merzario Iso-Marlboro Williams 20 4 80 17th
14th Patrick Depailler Tyrrell 4 14 56 9th
15th Hans-Joachim Stuck March 9 5 45 16th
16th Ronnie Peterson Lotus 1 35 35 5th
17th Graham Hill Hill/Lola 26 1 26 18th=
18th Jacky Ickx Lotus 2 12 24 10th=
19th Tom Pryce Shadow 16 1 16 18th=
20th Vittorio Brambilla March 10 1 10 18th=If Lella Lombardi could only have qualified her Brabham in her one-off outing in Britain and scored a point, she would have been 7th on 208 points and summed up what this alternative championship would have been all about. And I am sad that James Hunt did not win this year as he then did in 1975. Alas, another Ferrari domination!
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1st Ferrari 572 + 456 1028
2nd McLaren 396 + 275 + 120 791
3rd Brabham 224 + 168 + 64 456
4th Hesketh 360 360
5th Tyrrell 135 + 56 191
6th BRM 140 140
7th Shadow 102 + 16 118
8th Iso-Marboro Williams 80 80
9th Lotus 35 + 24 59
10th March 45 + 10 55
11th Surtees 54 54
12th Hill/Lola 26 26 watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Should I continue with this for the period 1950 - 1973, where numbers for each driver and car varied from race to race? It may well throw up some odd results, but there would be a ton(ne) more work for me, as so far, I have only calculated from final championship tables, rather than go through race-by-race....
Alternatively, I was tempted to start a Nations Cup for each year of the championship (assuming it hasn't yet been done?). Please vote below which I should do during the rest of my summer hols!
Alternatively, I was tempted to start a Nations Cup for each year of the championship (assuming it hasn't yet been done?). Please vote below which I should do during the rest of my summer hols!
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Boredom got me continuing with this (for now...).
1950
Top 4 of 7 scores to count. Plus extra point for fastest lap. Shared drives split points equally.
Johnnie Parsons, winner of the Indy 500, loses out badly here, falling from 6th to 22nd. Which makes Farina's fall from winner to 5th look not so bad, although just as painful. Now I want to continue with this over the holiday season to see how many titles Fangio ends up with and whether Moss can win any. And I am not going to bother with the Constructors' any more for fear of a Ferrari whitewash (or redwash as the case may be).
1950
Top 4 of 7 scores to count. Plus extra point for fastest lap. Shared drives split points equally.
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Position Driver Team GB Monaco Indy Swiss Belgium France Italy Total
1st Juan-Manuel Fangio Alfa Romeo 306 80 54 18 458
2nd Alberto Ascari Ferrari 240 8 144 392
3rd Luigi Fagioli Alfa Romeo 18 72 72 24 144 312
4th Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago-Talbot 30 40 56 174 300
5th Giuseppe Farina Alfa Romeo 18 144 32 80 274
6th Louis Chiron Maserati 192 192
7th Prince Bira Maserati 100 90 190
8th Cecil Green Kurtis Kraft 162 162
9th Dorino Serafini Ferrari 144 144
10th Robert Manzon Simca-Gordini 132 132Code: Select all
11th Raymond Sommer Ferrari 126 126
12th Mauri Rose Deidt 124 124
13th Felice Bonetto Maserati 68 68
14th Phillipe Etancelin Talbot-Lago-Talbot 16 48 64
15th Peter Whitehead Ferrari 56 56
16th Yves Giraud-Cabantous Talbot-Lago-Talbot 42 42
17th Bill Holland Deidt 18 18
18th= Tony Bettenhausen Kurtis Kraft 17 17
18th= Joie Chitwood Kurtis Kraft 17 17
20th= Reg Parnell Alfa Romeo 16 16
20th= Eugene Chaboud Talbot-Lago-Talbot 16 16
22nd Johnnie Parsons Kurtis Kraft 9 9Johnnie Parsons, winner of the Indy 500, loses out badly here, falling from 6th to 22nd. Which makes Farina's fall from winner to 5th look not so bad, although just as painful. Now I want to continue with this over the holiday season to see how many titles Fangio ends up with and whether Moss can win any. And I am not going to bother with the Constructors' any more for fear of a Ferrari whitewash (or redwash as the case may be).
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
I have to applaud your willpower, I'd certainly have stopped at 1974 if it was me doing it!
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
(Tony Jardine, 1988)Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1951
Points were given to top 5 finishers (8, 6, 4, 3, 2). 1 point was given for fastest lap. Only the best four of eight scores counted towards the world championship. Points for shared drives were divided equally between the drivers, regardless of who had driven more laps.
Where last year's Indy 500 winner ended up last, this year, the Indy 500 winner very nearly wins this championship outright, thanks to winning with the largest double-digit number. (This is the kind of quirky result I'm looking for!) Fangio only won thanks to every German entry having ridiculously large entry numbers too. These ranged from 71 for Ascari to 94 for Johnny Claes.
I have tried to narrow the table a bit by leaving off the engine names for the Indy-only entries - all the point-scorers had Offenhauser engines, and besides, I never listed the engines for any of the European entries in any other year, so I won't here either. The Talbots were all listed as Talbot-Lago-Talbots, but again, I tried to narrow the table. In future, I may just use drivers' intials plus surname - it would shorten Jose Frolien Gonzalez's name a bit... (I have just posted this and the table still doesn't quite fit on my 17" screen - many of the entries have gone onto a second line still.
) EDIT: I have taken the 'sums' out of this (eg. if a driver won with car number 36 and scored fastest lap, I had (8+1)x36), I now just have the number of points awarded per race to narrow to table to something a bit more manageable.
Points were given to top 5 finishers (8, 6, 4, 3, 2). 1 point was given for fastest lap. Only the best four of eight scores counted towards the world championship. Points for shared drives were divided equally between the drivers, regardless of who had driven more laps.
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Position Driver Team Swiss Indy Belgium France GB Germany Italy Spain Total
1st Juan Manuel Fangio Alfa Romeo 216 2 40 12 525 198 979
2nd Lee Wallard Kurtis Kraft 891 891
3rd Alberto Ascari Ferrari 48 42 568 16 6 674
4th Mike Nazaruk Kurtis Kraft 498 498
5th Jose Frolian Gonzalez Ferrari 42 96 296 36 36 470
6th Luigi Villoresi Ferrari 40 40 40 216 12 336
7th Giuseppe Farina Alfa Romeo 88 32 4 1 120 80 320
8th Piero Taruffi Ferrari 264 16 280
9th Andy Linden Kurtis Kraft 171 171
10th Felice Bonetto Alfa Romeo 12 80 48 140Code: Select all
11th Bobby Ball Schroeder 104 104
12th Reg Parnell Ferrari/BRM 78 12 90
13th Consalvo Sanesi Alfa Romeo 84 84
14th Toulo de Graffenried Alfa Romeo 52 52
15th Yves Giraud-Cabantous Talbot-Lago-Talbot 44 44
16th Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago-Talbot 42 42
17th Luigi Fagioli Alfa Romeo 32 32
18th Jack McGraft Kurtis Kraft 18 18
19th Manny Ayulo Kurtis Kraft 18 18Where last year's Indy 500 winner ended up last, this year, the Indy 500 winner very nearly wins this championship outright, thanks to winning with the largest double-digit number. (This is the kind of quirky result I'm looking for!) Fangio only won thanks to every German entry having ridiculously large entry numbers too. These ranged from 71 for Ascari to 94 for Johnny Claes.
I have tried to narrow the table a bit by leaving off the engine names for the Indy-only entries - all the point-scorers had Offenhauser engines, and besides, I never listed the engines for any of the European entries in any other year, so I won't here either. The Talbots were all listed as Talbot-Lago-Talbots, but again, I tried to narrow the table. In future, I may just use drivers' intials plus surname - it would shorten Jose Frolien Gonzalez's name a bit... (I have just posted this and the table still doesn't quite fit on my 17" screen - many of the entries have gone onto a second line still.
) EDIT: I have taken the 'sums' out of this (eg. if a driver won with car number 36 and scored fastest lap, I had (8+1)x36), I now just have the number of points awarded per race to narrow to table to something a bit more manageable.
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Wait until the 1952 German GP. Numbers start from 101.
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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
tommykl wrote:Wait until the 1952 German GP. Numbers start from 101.
What is it about the Germans and large entry numbers?
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
MCard LOLAdinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1952
Points were given to top five finishers (8, 6, 4, 3, 2). One point was given for fastest lap. Only the best four of eight scores counted towards the world championship. Points for shared drives were divided equally between the drivers, regardless of who had driven more laps.
The championship is dominated by the German point-scorers and those with large numbers at Indy. Ascari is so dominant that he just runs away with it, even with dropped scores. This is not going to happen again at future German GPs (well, not for the next four or five years...).
Points were given to top five finishers (8, 6, 4, 3, 2). One point was given for fastest lap. Only the best four of eight scores counted towards the world championship. Points for shared drives were divided equally between the drivers, regardless of who had driven more laps.
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Driver Team Swiss Indy Belgium France GB Germany Dutch Italy Total
1st A. Ascari Ferrari 36 72 135 909 18 102 1218
2nd T. Ruttman Kuzma 784 784
3rd P. Taruffi Ferrari 270 48 102 309 729
4th G. Farina Ferrari 12 60 612 24 30 726
5th R. Fischer Ferrari 252 468 720
6th J. Rathman Kurtis Kraft 354 354
7th J. Behra Gordini 24 216 240
8th J.-F. Gonzalez Maserati 169 169
9th M. Hawthorn Cooper 24 36 96 156
10th= M. Trintignant Simca-Gordini 88 88
10th= L. Villoresi Ferrari 24 64 88Code: Select all
12th R. Manzon Gordini 56 6 20 82
13th S. Hanks Kurtis Kraft 72 72
14th= K. Wharton Frazer Nash 66 66
14th= A. Cross Kurtis Kraft 66 66
16th P. Frere HWM 56 56
17th A. Brown Cooper 52 52
18th F. Bonetto Maserati 44 44
19th B. Vukovich Kurtis Kraft 26 26
20th D. Poore Connaught 18 18
21st E. Thompson Connaught 10 10
22nd D. Carter Lesovsky 3 3The championship is dominated by the German point-scorers and those with large numbers at Indy. Ascari is so dominant that he just runs away with it, even with dropped scores. This is not going to happen again at future German GPs (well, not for the next four or five years...).
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watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
MCard LOLAdinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1953
Points were given to top 5 finishers (8, 6, 4, 3, 2). 1 point was given for fastest lap. Only the best four of nine scores counted towards the world championship. Points for shared drives were divided equally between the drivers, regardless of who had driven more laps.
The Indy points-scorers did not have quite such high car numbers this time, which is a shame for this as the Germans did not issue such high entry numbers this year either, so no shock results from there. This just goes to show that maximising your score/consistancy has always been important, even in the days of dropped scores, as it can deprive your rivals as well, I suppose. So as yet, no surprise winners from the 1950s...
By the way, I hope this table is easier to read. As all the race positions are identical to reality, I don't think I need to indication their positions in the calculation, and you can easily find out their car numbers in Wikipedia (my source for every year so far, bar 2011...). Any feedback welcome.
Points were given to top 5 finishers (8, 6, 4, 3, 2). 1 point was given for fastest lap. Only the best four of nine scores counted towards the world championship. Points for shared drives were divided equally between the drivers, regardless of who had driven more laps.
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Driver Team Argentina Indy Dutch Belgium France GB/UK Germany Swiss Italy Total
1st J.-M. Fangio Maserati 126 138 30 48 450 762
2nd A. Ascari Ferrari 90 16 80 30 42.5 4 414 626.5
3rd G. Farina Ferrari 36 28 24 96 144 36 312
4th M. Hawthorn Ferrari 48 24 128 16 12 104 24 304
5th J.-F. Gonzalez Maserati 16 32 2 80 84 212
6th T. de Graffenried Maserati 36 90 34 160
7th L. Villoresi Ferrari 84 4 48 8 144
8th B. Vukovich Kurtis Kraft 126 126
9th O. Marimon Maserati 112 112
10th M. Trintignant Gordini 36 72 108Code: Select all
11th F. Bonetto Maserati 32 21 48 101
12th A. Cross Kurtis Kraft 96 96
13th F. Agabashian Kurtis Kraft 88.5 88.5
14th P. Russo Kurtis Kraft 88.5 88.5
15th H. Lang Maserati 68 68
16th O. Alfredo Galvez Maserati 16 16
17th J. McCraft Kurtis Kraft 10 10
18th S. Hanks Kurtis Kraft 6 6
19th D. Carter Kurtis Kraft 6 6The Indy points-scorers did not have quite such high car numbers this time, which is a shame for this as the Germans did not issue such high entry numbers this year either, so no shock results from there. This just goes to show that maximising your score/consistancy has always been important, even in the days of dropped scores, as it can deprive your rivals as well, I suppose. So as yet, no surprise winners from the 1950s...
By the way, I hope this table is easier to read. As all the race positions are identical to reality, I don't think I need to indication their positions in the calculation, and you can easily find out their car numbers in Wikipedia (my source for every year so far, bar 2011...). Any feedback welcome.
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
MCard LOLAdinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
1954
Points were given to top 5 finishers (8, 6, 4, 3, 2). 1 point was given for fastest lap. Only the best five of nine scores counted towards the world championship. Points for shared drives were divided equally between the drivers, regardless of who had driven more laps unless one of the drivers was deemed to have completed "insufficient distance". Drivers who shared more than one car during a race received points only for their highest finish. (Best 5 results now count, a change from best 4 from 1950 to 1953.)
Another Fangio win. Some names on the list I hadn't heard of. Stirling Moss's first points. Seven people share the single point for fastest lap in Britain, hence the fractions of a point. (I thought expressing these as fraction would be easier to calculate and be more accurate than using decimals.)
Points were given to top 5 finishers (8, 6, 4, 3, 2). 1 point was given for fastest lap. Only the best five of nine scores counted towards the world championship. Points for shared drives were divided equally between the drivers, regardless of who had driven more laps unless one of the drivers was deemed to have completed "insufficient distance". Drivers who shared more than one car during a race received points only for their highest finish. (Best 5 results now count, a change from best 4 from 1950 to 1953.)
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Driver Team Argen Indy Belgium France Britain Germany Swiss Italy Spain Total
1st J.-M. Fangio Maserati, Mercedes 16 234 144 3 1/7 144 36 128 8 686
2nd M. Hawthorn Ferrari 15 67 4/7 3 240 304 629 4/7
3rd J.-F. Gonzalez Ferrari 60 15 73 2/7 3 120 114 382 2/7
4th M. Trintignant Ferrari 78 48 20 8 60 214
5th K. Kling Mercedes 120 76 8 204
6th M. Nazaruk Kurtis Kraft 146 146
7th Prince Bira Maserati 138 138
8th R. Manzon Ferrari 136 136
9th R. Mieres Maserati 90 30 120
10th B. Vukovich Kurtis Kraft 112 112Code: Select all
11th O. Marimon Maserati 95 2/7 95 2/7
12th S. Moss Maserati 88 1 89
13th L. Musso Maserati 84 84
14th H. Herrman Mercedes 22 24 36 82
15th U. Maglioli Ferrari 76 76
16th S. Mantovani Maserati 14 56 70
17th G. Farina Ferrari 60 60
18th J. Bryan Kuzma 54 54
19th=T. Ruttman Kurtis Kraft 51 51
19th=D. Carter Kurtis Kraft 51 51Code: Select all
21st E. Bayol Gordini 40 40
22nd A. Ascari Maserati, Lancia 4 3/7 34 38 3/7
23rd A. Pilette Gordini 36 36
24th L. Villoresi Maserati 28 28
25th J. McGraft Kurtis Kraft 10 10
26th J. Behra Gordini 2 3/7 2 3/7Another Fangio win. Some names on the list I hadn't heard of. Stirling Moss's first points. Seven people share the single point for fastest lap in Britain, hence the fractions of a point. (I thought expressing these as fraction would be easier to calculate and be more accurate than using decimals.)
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
MCard LOLAdinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.