Silly season has already begun for next year's lineups - Bird leaving Jaguar was obvious (though rumour has it he'll be replacing the departing Rene Rast at McLaren next year), Jaguar are reportedly trying to get Cassidy to have an all New Zealand driver lineup, Frijns has left Abt Cupra (and rumour has it he's headed back to Envision to replace Cassidy following the above).
If Lotterer sticks around at Andretti I'll be amazed - his performance was so bad Dennis effectively won 4th in the constructors championship single-handedly.
On a personal note, I did enjoy Sunday's race once it finally got going, but I definitely feel like I picked the less exciting day to attend.
The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
I hear a certain former F1 driver now "involved with sustainability" and living in Switzerland is potentially stepping into an FE car next year. My bets are on either Jackie Stewart or Jacques Villeneuve.
Felipe Nasr - the least forgettable F1 driver!Murray Walker at the 1997 Austrian Grand Prix wrote:The other [Stewart] driver, who nobody's been paying attention to, because he's disappointing, is Jan Magnussen.
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More realistically, possibly Vettel?
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With the season done and dusted and hopefully everyone knowing the result by now (and if not, why not?), I'll post that complete list of unrejectifications in FE that I mentioned a few days ago. Any driver shown with a line of asterisks is still a reject; three of them have gone part of the way to getting shot of that status, but it's highly unlikely we'll ever see the first two of them in FE again.
Hence, if the car is up to the job, Dan Ticktum needs one more 6th place to escape being a Formula E Reject, and any new drivers - along with Roberto Merhi, David Beckmann and Kelvin van der Linde, if they return - will need a 4th, a 5th and another 6th at least, or three 6ths. But you all knew that anyway, right? Looking through the annals of FE history, the majority of unrejectifications come with one big result, rather than scraping three 6ths - not entirely surprising given that there have been seasons when any one of eight teams had a chance at winning at any given event.
Are there other drivers I'd like to see join FE? The only obvious candidate is Jamie Chadwick; there's something that says she might be better at FE than trying to make a name for herself in 'MURICA. Sebastian Vettel? Do me a favour. He's not coming back to driving, and if he did, he'd flunk, just like any other driver who's had any success in F1 (surely nobody can forget THE FINGER, right?) And then there's Billy Monger - I always thought FE would suit him, because how hard can it be to convert an electric car to hand controls? He couldn't have raced the Gen-1 cars, what with having to get out and sprint to the other car, but since Gen-2 that hindrance has been removed. But there's no way he'll leave his cushy job commentating and analysing Charwes Leklerk's hot laps on Channel 4.
Maybe Nyck de Vries will make a comeback somewhere... but it's not as if he has an unrejectification to get rid of.
EDIT: ...it took until the first race of the 2023-24 season to work out that I'd made a counting error in the race numbers from the start of season 2 onwards. D'oh! The people responsible for sacking those who were sacked, have been sacked.
Hence, if the car is up to the job, Dan Ticktum needs one more 6th place to escape being a Formula E Reject, and any new drivers - along with Roberto Merhi, David Beckmann and Kelvin van der Linde, if they return - will need a 4th, a 5th and another 6th at least, or three 6ths. But you all knew that anyway, right? Looking through the annals of FE history, the majority of unrejectifications come with one big result, rather than scraping three 6ths - not entirely surprising given that there have been seasons when any one of eight teams had a chance at winning at any given event.
Are there other drivers I'd like to see join FE? The only obvious candidate is Jamie Chadwick; there's something that says she might be better at FE than trying to make a name for herself in 'MURICA. Sebastian Vettel? Do me a favour. He's not coming back to driving, and if he did, he'd flunk, just like any other driver who's had any success in F1 (surely nobody can forget THE FINGER, right?) And then there's Billy Monger - I always thought FE would suit him, because how hard can it be to convert an electric car to hand controls? He couldn't have raced the Gen-1 cars, what with having to get out and sprint to the other car, but since Gen-2 that hindrance has been removed. But there's no way he'll leave his cushy job commentating and analysing Charwes Leklerk's hot laps on Channel 4.
Maybe Nyck de Vries will make a comeback somewhere... but it's not as if he has an unrejectification to get rid of.
Code: Select all
REJECT? DRIVER FIRST RACE UNREJECTIFICATION (plus any notes)
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Daniel Abt #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #5 – 2014-15 Miami
Jaime Alguersuari #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #4 – 2014-15 Buenos Aires
Sam Bird #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #1 – 2014-15 Beijing
Sébastien Buemi #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #2 – 2014-15 Putrajaya
****** Michela Cerruti #1 – 2014-15 Beijing best result 12th
Karun Chandhok #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #2 – 2014-15 Putrajaya
Jérôme d'Ambrosio #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #2 – 2014-15 Putrajaya
Lucas di Grassi #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #1 – 2014-15 Beijing
Nick Heidfeld #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #9 – 2014-15 Moscow
****** Katherine Legge #1 – 2014-15 Beijing best result 15th
Franck Montagny #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #1 – 2014-15 Beijing
Charles Pic #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #1 – 2014-15 Beijing
Nelson Piquet Jr. #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #3 – 2014-15 Punta del Este
Nicolas Prost #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #2 – 2014-15 Putrajaya
Stéphane Sarrazin #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #13 – 2015-16 Putrajaya
****** Takuma Sato #1 – 2014-15 Beijing one race, one fastest lap, one retirement
Bruno Senna #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #13 – 2015-16 Putrajaya
****** Oriol Servià #1 – 2014-15 Beijing best result two 7ths
Jarno Trulli #1 – 2014-15 Beijing #3 – 2014-15 Punta del Este
****** Ho-Pin Tung #1 – 2014-15 Beijing best result two 11ths
****** Matthew Brabham #2 – 2014-15 Putrajaya best result 13th
António Félix da Costa #2 – 2014-15 Putrajaya #4 – 2014-15 Buenos Aires
1/3*** Salvador Durán #3 – 2014-15 Punta del Este best result 6th
****** António García #3 – 2014-15 Punta del Este best result 11th
Jean-Éric Vergne #3 – 2014-15 Punta del Este #6 – 2014-15 Long Beach
****** Marco Andretti #4 – 2014-15 Buenos Aires best result 12th
Loïc Duval #5 – 2014-15 Miami #8 – 2014-15 Berlin
****** Vitantonio Liuzzi #5 – 2014-15 Miami best result 9th
Scott Speed #5 – 2014-15 Miami #5 – 2014-15 Miami
****** Justin Wilson #9 – 2014-15 Moscow best result 10th; deceased, but not from an FE race
****** Simona de Silvestro #10 – 2014-15 London (1) best result two 9ths
****** Alex Fontana #10 – 2014-15 London (1) best result 14th
****** Fabio Leimer #10 – 2014-15 London (1) best result 14th
Oliver Turvey #10 – 2014-15 London (1) #35 – 2017-18 Hong Kong (2)
****** Sakon Yamamoto #10 – 2014-15 London (1) two retirements only
****** Nathanaël Berthon #12 – 2015-16 Beijing best result 8th
Robin Frijns #12 – 2015-16 Beijing #13 – 2015-16 Putrajaya
****** Jacques Villeneuve #12 – 2015-16 Beijing best result 11th
Oliver Rowland #14 – 2015-16 Punta del Este #51 – 2018-19 Sanya
****** Mike Conway #15 – 2015-16 Buenos Aires best result 8th
****** Ma Qing Hua #18 – 2015-16 Paris best result 11th; most FE races without scoring a point.
René Rast #19 – 2015-16 Berlin #69 – 2019-20 Berlin (5)
****** Adam Carroll #22 – 2016-17 Hong Kong best result 8th
Maro Engel #22 – 2016-17 Hong Kong #41 – 2017-18 Paris
Mitch Evans #22 – 2016-17 Hong Kong #35 – 2017-18 Hong Kong (2)
José María López #22 – 2016-17 Hong Kong #25 – 2016-17 Mexico City
Felix Rosenqvist #22 – 2016-17 Hong Kong #23 – 2016-17 Marrakesh
****** Esteban Gutiérrez #25 – 2016-17 Mexico City best result 8th
Tom Dillmann #27 – 2016-17 Paris #44 – 2017-18 New York (1)
Pierre Gasly #29 – 2016-17 New York (1) #30 – 2016-17 New York (2)
Alex Lynn #29 – 2016-17 New York (1) #69 – 2019-20 Berlin (5)
****** Luca Filippi #34 – 2017-18 Hong Kong (1) best result 10th
1/3*** Neel Jani #34 – 2017-18 Hong Kong (1) best result 6th
****** Kamui Kobayashi #34 – 2017-18 Hong Kong (1) best result 15th
André Lotterer #34 – 2017-18 Hong Kong (1) #37 – 2017-18 Santiago
Edoardo Mortara #34 – 2017-18 Hong Kong (1) #35 – 2017-18 Hong Kong (2)
****** Tom Blomqvist #36 – 2017-18 Marrakesh best result two 8ths
****** Gary Paffett #46 – 2018-19 Diriyah best result two 8ths
Felipe Massa #46 – 2018-19 Diriyah #54 – 2018-19 Monaco
Alexander Sims #46 – 2018-19 Diriyah #53 – 2018-19 Paris
Maximilian Günther #46 – 2018-19 Diriyah #56 – 2018-19 Bern
Stoffel Vandoorne #46 – 2018-19 Diriyah #52 – 2018-19 Rome
Pascal Wehrlein #47 – 2018-19 Marrakesh #48 – 2018-19 Santiago
****** Felipe Nasr #49 – 2018-19 Mexico City best result 19th
****** James Calado #59 – 2019-20 Diriyah (1) best result 7th
Nyck de Vries #59 – 2019-20 Diriyah (1) #61 – 2019-20 Santiago
****** Brendon Hartley #59 – 2019-20 Diriyah (1) best result 9th
Nico Müller #59 – 2019-20 Diriyah (1) #74 – 2020-21 Valencia (1)
Sérgio Sette Câmara #64 – 2019-20 Berlin (1) #71 – 2020-21 Diriyah (2)
Nick Cassidy #70 – 2020-21 Diriyah (1) #74 – 2020-21 Valencia (1)
Jake Dennis #70 – 2020-21 Diriyah (1) #75 – 2020-21 Valencia (2)
Norman Nato #70 – 2020-21 Diriyah (1) #83 – 2020-21 Berlin (1)
****** Joel Eriksson #77 – 2020-21 Puebla (1) best result 10th
Oliver Askew #85 – 2021-22 Diriyah (1) #97 – 2021-22 London (1)
****** Antonio Giovinazzi #85 – 2021-22 Diriyah (1) best result 16th
2/3*** Dan Ticktum #85 – 2021-22 Diriyah (1) best result two 6ths
Sacha Fenestraz #100 – 2021-22 Seoul (2) #109 – 2022-23 Monaco
Jake Hughes #101 – 2022-23 Mexico City #103 – 2022-23 Diriyah (2)
****** Kelvin van der Linde #102 – 2022-23 Diriyah (1) best result 16th
****** David Beckmann #110 – 2022-23 Jakarta (1) best result 16th
****** Roberto Merhi #110 – 2022-23 Jakarta (1) best result 12th
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James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
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Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
Anoraks on! Nerd glasses fixed with Sellotape at the ready! Adenoidal voices all round!
For this post I've had to go back to the early pages of this thread, the oldest of which are 11 years in the past. To think that even this forum on page 1 was pouring scorn on FE's chances, all it took was for SUPER AGURI to be announced and suddenly interest picked up.
With the round-up done of who's still a Formula E Reject and who isn't, I thought I'd also have a hypothetical look at how the car numbering would be if the series had used F1-1996-to-2013-style championship position numbering, as F2 still does today. For the first season, I've used the order in which each team's participation was confirmed... which neatly avoids the problem of who gets to drive car 1. Then, for all further seasons, I've given the lower number to whichever driver finished higher up the standings if they were both retained or if both drivers were new to the team, or to the one driver retained from the previous season. (The only exception to this is Mahindra in season 5, where Felix Rosenqvist had left FE officially but came back to fill in for Pascal Wehrlein for the first round.)
Season 1, 2014-15
1/2: Drayson Racing - confirmed 9 January 2013
Season 2, 2015-16
1/2: NEXTEV TCR - 4th in the 2014-15 Teams' Championship
Season 3, 2016-17
1/2: Renault e.dams - also 2015-16 Teams' Champions
Season 4, 2017-18
1/2: Audi Sport Abt Schaeffler - 2nd in the 2016-17 Teams' Championship
Season 5, 2018-19
1/2: DS Techeetah - 2nd in the 2017-18 Teams' Championship
Season 6, 2019-20
1/2: DS Techeetah - also 2018-19 Teams' Champions
Season 7, 2020-21
1/2: DS Techeetah - also 2019-20 Teams' Champions
Season 8, 2021-22
1/2: Mercedes EQ - also 2020-21 Teams' Champions
Season 9, 2022-23
1/2: DS Penske - 11th in the 2021-22 Teams' Championship
Season 10, 2023-24 (seats confirmed plus speculation by The Race)
1/2: Avalanche Andretti - 3rd in the 2022-23 Teams' Championship
- 12 March 2014, top of page 7CoopsII wrote: ↑21 Mar 2014, 08:36 I think for most of us F1 Rejecters this is THE series. Its not some ropey old racing machines hustled back into life, its brand new state of the (electronic) art gear. And, as mentioned, a brilliant mix of drivers; has-beens, might be's and wont be's. And the old Stig thrown in for good measure.
AND ITS ALL LIVE AND FREE TO WATCH IN THE UK!!!!
For this post I've had to go back to the early pages of this thread, the oldest of which are 11 years in the past. To think that even this forum on page 1 was pouring scorn on FE's chances, all it took was for SUPER AGURI to be announced and suddenly interest picked up.
With the round-up done of who's still a Formula E Reject and who isn't, I thought I'd also have a hypothetical look at how the car numbering would be if the series had used F1-1996-to-2013-style championship position numbering, as F2 still does today. For the first season, I've used the order in which each team's participation was confirmed... which neatly avoids the problem of who gets to drive car 1. Then, for all further seasons, I've given the lower number to whichever driver finished higher up the standings if they were both retained or if both drivers were new to the team, or to the one driver retained from the previous season. (The only exception to this is Mahindra in season 5, where Felix Rosenqvist had left FE officially but came back to fill in for Pascal Wehrlein for the first round.)
Season 1, 2014-15
1/2: Drayson Racing - confirmed 9 January 2013
- dropped out before pre-season testing
- 3: Nelson Piquet Jr.
- 4: Ho-Pin Tung, Antonio García, Charles Pic, Oliver Turvey
- 5: Franck Montagny, Jean-Éric Vergne
- 6: Charles Pic, Matthew Brabham, Marco Andretti, Scott Speed, Justin Wilson, Simona de Silvestro
- 7: Jérôme d'Ambrosio (who was actually car 7 anyway)
- 8: Oriol Servià, Loïc Duval
- 9: Sébastien Buemi (who was actually car 9 anyway)
- 10: Nico Prost
- 11: Takuma Sato, António Félix da Costa, Sakon Yamamoto
- 12: Katherine Legge, Salvador Durán
- 14: Lucas di Grassi
- 15: Daniel Abt
- 16: Bruno Senna
- 17: Karun Chandhok
- 18: Sam Bird
- 19: Jaime Alguersuari, Fabio Leimer
- 20: Nick Heidfeld
- 21: Stéphane Sarrazin
- 22: Jarno Trulli
- 23: Michela Cerrutti, Vitantonio Liuzzi, Alex Fontana
Season 2, 2015-16
1/2: NEXTEV TCR - 4th in the 2014-15 Teams' Championship
- 1: Nelson Piquet Jr.
- 2: Oliver Turvey
- 3: Sébastien Buemi
- 4: Nico Prost
- 5: Jérôme d'Ambrosio
- 6: Loïc Duval
- 7: Lucas di Grassi
- 8: Daniel Abt
- 9: Sam Bird
- 10: Jean-Éric Vergne
- 11: Simona de Silvestro
- 12: Robin Frijns
- 14: António Félix da Docta, René Rast
- 15: Nathanaël Berthon, Salvador Durán, Ma Qing Hua
- 16: Bruno Senna
- 17: Nick Heidfeld, Oliver Rowland
- 18: Stephane Sarrazin
- 19: Jacques Villeneuve, Mike Conway
- 20: Vitantonio Liuzzi
- 21: Salvador Durán, Jarno Trulli
Season 3, 2016-17
1/2: Renault e.dams - also 2015-16 Teams' Champions
- 1: Sébastien Buemi, Pierre Gasly
- 2: Nico Prost
- 3: Lucas di Grassi
- 4: Daniel Abt
- 5: Sam Bird
- 6: José María López, Alex Lynn
- 7: Jérôme d'Ambrosio (who was actually car 7 anyway)
- 8: Loïc Duval
- 9: Nick Heidfeld
- 10: Felix Rosenqvist
- 11: Stéphane Sarrazin, Tom Dillmann (rounds 7-12)
- 12: Maro Engel, Tom Dillmann (round 6)
- 14: Robin Frijns
- 15: António Félix da Costa
- 16: Jean-Éric Vergne
- 17: Ma Qing Hua, Esteban Gutiérrez, Stéphane Sarrazin
- 18: Nelson Piquet Jr.
- 19: Oliver Turvey
- 20: Mitch Evans (who was actually car 20 anyway)
- 21: Adam Carroll
Season 4, 2017-18
1/2: Audi Sport Abt Schaeffler - 2nd in the 2016-17 Teams' Championship
- 1: Lucas di Grassi
- 2: Daniel Abt
- 3: Sébastien Buemi
- 4: Nico Prost
- 5: Felix Rosenqvist
- 6: Nick Heidfeld
- 7: Sam Bird
- 8: Alex Lynn
- 9: Jean-Éric Vergne
- 10: André Lotterer
- 11: Oliver Turvey, Ma Qing Hua (round 12)
- 12: Luca Filippi, Ma Qing Hua (round 8)
- 14: António Félix da Costa
- 15: Kamui Kobayashi, Tom Blomqvist, Stéphane Sarrazin
- 16: Jérôme d'Ambrosio
- 17: Neel Jani, José María López
- 18: Maro Engel
- 19: Edoardo Mortara, Tom Dillmann
- 20: Mitch Evans (who was actually car 20 anyway, again)
- 21: Nelson Piquet Jr.
Season 5, 2018-19
1/2: DS Techeetah - 2nd in the 2017-18 Teams' Championship
- 1: Jean-Éric Vergne
- 2: André Lotterer
- 3: Lucas di Grassi
- 4: Daniel Abt
- 5: Sam Bird
- 6: Robin Frijns
- 7: Jérôme d'Ambrosio (who wasn't car 7 in reality this time)
- 8: Felix Rosenqvist, Pascal Wehrlein
- 9: Sébastien Buemi
- 10: Oliver Rowland
- 11: Mitch Evans
- 12: Nelson Piquet Jr., Alex Lynn
- 14: Edoardo Mortara
- 15: Felipe Massa
- 16: Oliver Turvey
- 17: Tom Dillmann
- 18: José María López
- 19: Max Günther, Felipe Nasr
- 20: António Félix da Costa
- 21: Alexander Sims
- 22: Stoffel Vandoorne
- 23: Gary Paffett
Season 6, 2019-20
1/2: DS Techeetah - also 2018-19 Teams' Champions
- 1: Jean-Éric Vergne, James Rossiter (practice only)
- 2: António Félix da Costa
- 3: Lucas di Grassi
- 4: Daniel Abt, René Rast
- 5: Robin Frijns
- 6: Sam Bird
- 7: Sébastien Buemi
- 8: Oliver Rowland
- 9: Alexander Sims
- 10: Max Günther
- 11: Jérôme d'Ambrosio
- 12: Pascal Wehrlein, Alex Lynn
- 14: Mitch Evans
- 15: James Calado, Tom Blomqvist
- 16: Edoardo Mortara
- 17: Felipe Massa
- 18: Stoffel Vandoorne
- 19: Nyck de Vries
- 20: Brendon Hartley, Sergio Sette Câmara
- 21: Nico Müller
- 22: Oliver Turvey
- 23: Ma Qing Hua, Daniel Abt
- 24: André Lotterer
- 25: Neel Jani
Season 7, 2020-21
1/2: DS Techeetah - also 2019-20 Teams' Champions
- 1: António Félix da Costa
- 2: Jean-Éric Vergne
- 3: Sébastien Buemi
- 4: Oliver Rowland
- 5: Stoffel Vandoorne (who was actually car 5 anyway)
- 6: Nyck de Vries
- 7: Robin Frijns
- 8: Nick Cassidy
- 9: Max Günther
- 10: Jake Dennis
- 11: Lucas di Grassi (who was actually car 11 anyway)
- 12: René Rast
- 14: Mitch Evans
- 15: Sam Bird
- 16: André Lotterer
- 17: Pascal Wehrlein
- 18: Alexander Sims
- 19: Alex Lynn
- 20: Edoardo Mortara
- 21: Norman Nato
- 22: Nico Müller, Joel Eriksson
- 23: Sergio Sette Câmara
- 24: Oliver Turvey
- 25: Tom Blomqvist
Season 8, 2021-22
1/2: Mercedes EQ - also 2020-21 Teams' Champions
- 1: Nyck de Vries
- 2: Stoffel Vandoorne
- 3: Mitch Evans
- 4: Sam Bird, Norman Nato
- 5: António Félix da Costa
- 6: Jean-Éric Vergne
- left the series
- 9: Robin Frijns
- 10: Nick Cassidy
- 11: Jake Dennis
- 12: Oliver Askew
- 14: Edoardo Mortara
- 15: Lucas di Grassi
- 16: Pascal Wehrlein
- 17: André Lotterer
- 18: Alexander Sims
- 19: Oliver Rowland
- 20: Sébastien Buemi
- 21: Max Günther
- 22: Sergio Sette Câmara
- 23: Antonio Giovinazzi, Sacha Fenestraz
- 24: Oliver Turvey
- 25: Dan Ticktum
Season 9, 2022-23
1/2: DS Penske - 11th in the 2021-22 Teams' Championship
- 1: Stoffel Vandoorne
- 2: Jean-Éric Vergne
- 3: René Rast
- 4: Jake Hughes
- 5: Edoardo Mortara
- 6: Max Günther
- left the series
- 9: Mitch Evans (who was actually car 9 anyway)
- 10: Sam Bird (who was actually car 10 anyway)
- 11: Nick Cassidy
- 12: Sébastien Buemi
- 14: Jake Dennis
- 15: André Lotterer, David Beckmann
- 16: Pascal Wehrlein
- 17: António Félix da Costa
- 18: Oliver Rowland, Roberto Merhi
- 19: Lucas di Grassi
- 20: Sacha Fenestraz
- 21: Norman Nato
- 22: Dan Ticktum
- 23: Sergio Sette Câmara
- 24: Robin Frijns, Kelvin van der Linde
- 25: Nico Müller
Season 10, 2023-24 (seats confirmed plus speculation by The Race)
1/2: Avalanche Andretti - 3rd in the 2022-23 Teams' Championship
- 1: Jake Dennis
- 2: apparently Felipe Drugovich
- 3: Sébastien Buemi
- 4: Robin Frijns
- 5: Mitch Evans
- 6: Nick Cassidy
- 7: probably Pascal Wehrlein
- 8: probably also António Félix da Costa
- 9: probably Jean-Éric Vergne
- 10: probably also Stoffel Vandoorne
- 11: probably Max Günther
- 12: Edoardo Mortara (who would be 11 if Max isn't in the other car)
- 14: probably Sacha Fenestraz
- 15: maybe Oliver Rowland
- 16: probably Jake Hughes
- 17: very likely to be Sam Bird
- 18: very probably Dan Ticktum
- 19: very probably also Sergio Sette Câmara
- 20: Lucas di Grassi, apparently
- 21: anyone who's willing to put up with that reticent drivetrain, allegedly Jehan Daruvala
- 22: still Nico Müller, if he takes up masochism
- 23: Kelvin and Sheldon van der Linde, sitting in the same seat
James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
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Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
So the worst kept secret since Lance Stroll joining the team owned by his dad is out...
Though, I'd like him to prove me wrong and maybe he'll end up as FE World Champion when he's knocking hard on the door of 40.
Epic cope. If he was talking about Jake Dennis, and the Sam Bird of the Virgin days who could punch above that car's weight, he might have a point, but he isn't. Jake Hughes has a very heavy right foot that doesn't suit FE and Sam... is well past his best.Zak Brown wrote:Alongside Jake, I’m confident that we have one of the strongest pairings on the Formula E grid.
Though, I'd like him to prove me wrong and maybe he'll end up as FE World Champion when he's knocking hard on the door of 40.
James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
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Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
It's all slotting together, and in a way I didn't expect...
- Nyck de Vries is coming back to FE, alongside Edoardo Mortara... at Mahindra.
- Lucas di Grassi has been displaced and gone back to his "old" team, ABT Cupra... for another year of pain, but maybe better results in season 11.
- Roberto Merhi has left the building.
- Jehan Daruvala has been promoted from Maserati reserve to main driver, alongside Max Günther.
- Norman Nato replaces André Lotterer at Andretti, and Oliver Rowland returns to FE in Nato's former Nissan seat.
- Nobody is confirmed at Porsche, but it'll be Wehrlein and da Costa again, surely?
Also, anyone up for the London ePrix this coming season? I haven't been to a live race since that day in Battersea Park.
- Nyck de Vries is coming back to FE, alongside Edoardo Mortara... at Mahindra.
- Lucas di Grassi has been displaced and gone back to his "old" team, ABT Cupra... for another year of pain, but maybe better results in season 11.
- Roberto Merhi has left the building.
- Jehan Daruvala has been promoted from Maserati reserve to main driver, alongside Max Günther.
- Norman Nato replaces André Lotterer at Andretti, and Oliver Rowland returns to FE in Nato's former Nissan seat.
- Nobody is confirmed at Porsche, but it'll be Wehrlein and da Costa again, surely?
Also, anyone up for the London ePrix this coming season? I haven't been to a live race since that day in Battersea Park.
James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
I'll be up for it. I haven't done a live FE race since then either, although I've done BTCC since then, at Knockhill, Brands Hatch and Rockingham.dinizintheoven wrote: ↑29 Sep 2023, 12:22
Also, anyone up for the London ePrix this coming season? I haven't been to a live race since that day in Battersea Park.
Was due to go to New York in June 2020 for the FE, but that trip got cancelled.
Would you go on the Saturday again, or the Sunday, or both days?
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Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
Make a celebration of it and do both days. Might have to go beer-free because accommodation in London is still more expensive than driving to Epping and getting a tube in and out of Sadiq's Hot Zone.
James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
Sounds good to me. I would be up for that. All the way back in 2015, it allowed me to try a wider variety of viewing areas.dinizintheoven wrote: ↑01 Oct 2023, 17:55Make a celebration of it and do both days. Might have to go beer-free because accommodation in London is still more expensive than driving to Epping and getting a tube in and out of Sadiq's Hot Zone.
Although I would be tempted to pay up for grandstand seating within the Excel Centre itself this time.
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Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
For what it's worth(I can't see it being posted before)
2024 Calendar
Round 01:13 Jan Mexico City,Mexico
Round 02:26 Jan Diriyah,Saudi Arabia
Round 03:27 Jan Diriyah,Saudi Arabia
Round 04:10 Feb TBC
Round 05:24 Feb TBC
Round 06:16 Mar Sao Paolo,Brazil
Round 07:30 Mar Tokyo,Japan
Round 08:13 Apr Rome,Italy
Round 09:14 Apr Rome,Italy
Round 10:27 Apr Monaco,Monaco
Round 11:11 May Berlin,Germany
Round 12:12 May Berlin,Germany
Round 13:25 May TBC
Round 14:08 Jun Jakarta,Indonesia
Round 15:29 Jun Portland,USA
Round 16:20 Jul London,England
Round 17:21 Jul London,England
Any candidates for the missing three rounds?
2024 Calendar
Round 01:13 Jan Mexico City,Mexico
Round 02:26 Jan Diriyah,Saudi Arabia
Round 03:27 Jan Diriyah,Saudi Arabia
Round 04:10 Feb TBC
Round 05:24 Feb TBC
Round 06:16 Mar Sao Paolo,Brazil
Round 07:30 Mar Tokyo,Japan
Round 08:13 Apr Rome,Italy
Round 09:14 Apr Rome,Italy
Round 10:27 Apr Monaco,Monaco
Round 11:11 May Berlin,Germany
Round 12:12 May Berlin,Germany
Round 13:25 May TBC
Round 14:08 Jun Jakarta,Indonesia
Round 15:29 Jun Portland,USA
Round 16:20 Jul London,England
Round 17:21 Jul London,England
Any candidates for the missing three rounds?
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Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
You'd hope Cape Town would be one of the February dates - was lucky enough to go out to South Africa for that race this year, and it was incredible. Poor old Kelvin van der Linde though, got run ragged doing media duties around the city and then couldn't even take to the start...
But there's still issues in SA with things like load shedding - it didn't really affect the race as FE brings its own power source and many big civil works have their own off-grid generators or solar energy solutions, but it's still a problem affecting most people every day.
The other February space is being held for Hyderabad but there's a bit of doubt about that one, and Malaga may be the May date. FE's become a bit more cautious over officially announcing things until they're set in stone, as the Vancouver race being canned was a bit of a PR nightmare even though it was entirely down to the promoter rather than the championship. FE also wants to get Seoul back in.
But there's still issues in SA with things like load shedding - it didn't really affect the race as FE brings its own power source and many big civil works have their own off-grid generators or solar energy solutions, but it's still a problem affecting most people every day.
The other February space is being held for Hyderabad but there's a bit of doubt about that one, and Malaga may be the May date. FE's become a bit more cautious over officially announcing things until they're set in stone, as the Vancouver race being canned was a bit of a PR nightmare even though it was entirely down to the promoter rather than the championship. FE also wants to get Seoul back in.
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Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
For the first time in the UK, races won't be free to air next season, as sadly the lovely folks at TNT Sports (even Dick Turpin had the decency to wear a mask etc.) have snapped up the rights.
Races will be streamed live on Discovery+ which I do have as it's free with Sky, but I like to record them and watch later at my leisure. Well, I did. Not any more!
Races will be streamed live on Discovery+ which I do have as it's free with Sky, but I like to record them and watch later at my leisure. Well, I did. Not any more!
Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
I will be looking forward to see how de Vries is going to perform in Formula E after his disappointing stint in F1.
Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
He has high standards in FE to maintain, being a recent FE champion. The pressure will be on.
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Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
Is it? How do I get hold of that?
James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
I've just checked and it is still free for subscribers. You have to set up an account with Discovery+ online and link it via QR code to your Sky box as I recall, but then you should be ready to go.
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Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
QR code? Gah! I need a smartphone for that, and I'm a technological Luddite (and proud of it).
James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
I think you can do it without providing you're OK with following a URL and typing in a code or something along those lines!dinizintheoven wrote: ↑30 Dec 2023, 21:39QR code? Gah! I need a smartphone for that, and I'm a technological Luddite (and proud of it).
Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
The Indian races have been cancelled due to a change in local politics, with the new incumbents being very against the series. Damned democracy...
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Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
So, who's still watching? Mild spoilers alert in very light grey below. (Now un-greyed because... two weeks later.)
After yesterday's lack of obvious shenanigans, I'm going to say the pecking order of the drivetrains is much the same as it was last season. Porsche and Jaguar competing for the top spot, much like late 1980s endurance racing. Then Stellantis, then Nissan, Mahindra moving up to fifth... and ERT-formerly-NIO mired right at the back and I'm going to predict now that it'll be nul points for them this season.
There are seven champions on the grid (out of the eight who have ever won the title), up from five last year (adding new champion Jake Dennis and the returning Nyck de Vries).
However, Nyck de Vries will do very little with Mahindra, and what possessed Edoardo Mortara to move there is a mystery Sherlock Holmes couldn't solve.
Lucas di Grassi might not regret (re-)joining Abt Cupra as they're dropping the Mahindra drivetrain for next year and he might get up the sharp end of the grid again.
Robin Frijns is back up the sharp end but it seems he really doesn't get on with the Mexico City track...
And, at least, with anything up to half the grid as candidates for victory on any given weekend, FE races aren't the foregone conclusion that F1 is, where Max Verstappen only has to turn up to win. Long may that continue, even if it isn't the mad lottery of season 1.
After yesterday's lack of obvious shenanigans, I'm going to say the pecking order of the drivetrains is much the same as it was last season. Porsche and Jaguar competing for the top spot, much like late 1980s endurance racing. Then Stellantis, then Nissan, Mahindra moving up to fifth... and ERT-formerly-NIO mired right at the back and I'm going to predict now that it'll be nul points for them this season.
There are seven champions on the grid (out of the eight who have ever won the title), up from five last year (adding new champion Jake Dennis and the returning Nyck de Vries).
However, Nyck de Vries will do very little with Mahindra, and what possessed Edoardo Mortara to move there is a mystery Sherlock Holmes couldn't solve.
Lucas di Grassi might not regret (re-)joining Abt Cupra as they're dropping the Mahindra drivetrain for next year and he might get up the sharp end of the grid again.
Robin Frijns is back up the sharp end but it seems he really doesn't get on with the Mexico City track...
And, at least, with anything up to half the grid as candidates for victory on any given weekend, FE races aren't the foregone conclusion that F1 is, where Max Verstappen only has to turn up to win. Long may that continue, even if it isn't the mad lottery of season 1.
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James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
Turns out I couldn't watch the race 'as live' this evening because you need a TNT Sports subscription even if you're using the Discovery+ app.
So congrats to all involved for putting it behind a paywall. I'm not paying TNT's rip-off prices....
So congrats to all involved for putting it behind a paywall. I'm not paying TNT's rip-off prices....
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Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
I've decided I can justify it as (1) I barely spend any money on "hobbies" as it is, and (2) I'm not shelling out for Sky Sports just to watch Max Verstappen cruise to victory after victory after victory, week in, week out.
The paywall is a problem, though. And I do wonder if the manufacturer teams who really, really need people to be watching so that they can "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" *COUGHjaguarCOUGH* are going to regret the move as the TV viewing figures are certain to drop sharply.
That said, FE has been passed around like this weird thing that broadcasters don't know what to do with. ITV4 (i.e. not the main channel), Channel 5 (or, sometimes, buried on Spike during the end of their coverage), BBC (er... Red Button, not even a real channel), and then Channel 4... you'd think Channel 4 would be FE's natural home among the free-to-air channels, given that their political leanings are generally aligned with the kind of people who are interested in electric cars (and gluten-free soy products, and self-flagellation - I remind you, all this is emphatically NOT me...) but even they didn't stick with it for the long term.
I suppose by this time it was either a dedicated sports channel, a streaming service, or no coverage at all.
The paywall is a problem, though. And I do wonder if the manufacturer teams who really, really need people to be watching so that they can "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" *COUGHjaguarCOUGH* are going to regret the move as the TV viewing figures are certain to drop sharply.
That said, FE has been passed around like this weird thing that broadcasters don't know what to do with. ITV4 (i.e. not the main channel), Channel 5 (or, sometimes, buried on Spike during the end of their coverage), BBC (er... Red Button, not even a real channel), and then Channel 4... you'd think Channel 4 would be FE's natural home among the free-to-air channels, given that their political leanings are generally aligned with the kind of people who are interested in electric cars (and gluten-free soy products, and self-flagellation - I remind you, all this is emphatically NOT me...) but even they didn't stick with it for the long term.
I suppose by this time it was either a dedicated sports channel, a streaming service, or no coverage at all.
James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
Yeah, I suppose there was no free to air channel left sadly. C4 really did a good job of their coverage and also tried their best to show it live as often as they possibly could. I was rather surprised when they decided to ditch it.
The one thing I'm not sad to miss is the personality void that is Jermaine Jenas. Goodness knows how he gets so many presenting jobs.
The one thing I'm not sad to miss is the personality void that is Jermaine Jenas. Goodness knows how he gets so many presenting jobs.
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Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
Also, with the season underway, I have a few more statistics...
We know that Ma Qing Hua holds the unenviable record of the highest number of FE entries without ever scoring a point - 14 (and he was Jean-Eric Vergne's team-mate at Techeetah, briefly). However, amongst the drivers who did get on the scoresheet, Tom Blomqvist has entered the highest number of races without making any progress towards unrejectification, with 23.
With so little driver turnover, this season is unlikely to have any unrejectification action, chiefly because there are only two drivers on the grid who have yet to be unrejectified. One is Jehan Daruvala - who's only competed in one race, although he's got a half-decent chance in a Maserati. The other one is all-round Mr Nice Guy Dan Ticktum, who has entered more races than anyone else without being unrejectified - 33 of them. He has two 6th places, so only needs another 6th to do so, but with the ERT looking as lively as a Mogadon-drenched slug, it's likely he'll have 48 entries without getting there, should he enter every race this season. Driving that car is a dirty job, but someone's got to do it.
We know that Ma Qing Hua holds the unenviable record of the highest number of FE entries without ever scoring a point - 14 (and he was Jean-Eric Vergne's team-mate at Techeetah, briefly). However, amongst the drivers who did get on the scoresheet, Tom Blomqvist has entered the highest number of races without making any progress towards unrejectification, with 23.
With so little driver turnover, this season is unlikely to have any unrejectification action, chiefly because there are only two drivers on the grid who have yet to be unrejectified. One is Jehan Daruvala - who's only competed in one race, although he's got a half-decent chance in a Maserati. The other one is all-round Mr Nice Guy Dan Ticktum, who has entered more races than anyone else without being unrejectified - 33 of them. He has two 6th places, so only needs another 6th to do so, but with the ERT looking as lively as a Mogadon-drenched slug, it's likely he'll have 48 entries without getting there, should he enter every race this season. Driving that car is a dirty job, but someone's got to do it.
James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
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Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
And now, I have caught up with the weekend's two races in a country which I definitely approve of hosting races in, FE, F1, everything else, come one, come all, and which I'd really, really like to visit one day because there are definitely no reasons why I would ever not want to. I definitely didn't almost miss the first race and was only saved due to my TNT Sports subscription meaning I can watch the England Test cricket tour to India at a sensible time. No, that would never happen, would it?
My thoughts, before the sarcasm fuse blows - I'll un-grey them once they're no longer considered spoilers (which I now have):
Who would want to be Mitch Evans? All those years he's spent plugging away at Jaguar, building them up from being stone dead last in season 3 to being their first podium-sitter, their first winner, seeing off every team-mate he's ever had, including Sam Bird, and now, if anyone's finally going to take Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag to both titles, it's less likely to be him.
Who would want to be me, trying to make predictions such as "the team formerly known as NIO will score nul points this season" only for that to be torpedoed at the second round?
Who would want to run a Mahindra drivetrain, now that all four Mahindra-powered entries are still on nul points? Regretting your decision to leave Maserati, are you, Edo?
Who would want to be Antonio Felix da Costa or Norman Nato in round 3? Despite their powerful Porsche powertrains, both of them found the four Mahindra-powered cars too stiff a challenge to get past, and it's not as if AFDC can't pull off some spectacular passing moves in that car - see last year for details.
Who would want to be Sebastien Buemi's mechanics? Did anyone else think of Punta Del Este in season 1? "AAAAAAAH NOOOOOOON! PARDON!"
Who would want to be lumbered with polishing Stoffel Vandoorne's championship trophy? All the discussion about champions in F1 tends to revolve around how X, Y and Z "wasn't a worthy champion who didn't deserve it and it should have been (insert driver we're stanning for here) instead..." etc, etc, etc, ad nauseam. Jake Dennis has just become the latest champion to show that his championship wasn't a fluke - in the first Diriyah race, at least. So, of the seven one-time champions, he's become the fifth to get a post-championship win. The other two... haven't even stood on a podium after their championship seasons, let alone get a win, and The Unstoffable Belgian Waffle shares that unenviable record with Nelson Piquet Jr., who nobody likes (except his dad, and nobody likes him either). At least Nelsinho had the excuse of terrible machinery that wasn't capable of delivering wins while he remained with The Team Now No Longer Known As NIO, and Jaaaaaaag were still establishing themselves in his one and a half seasons with them.
Also: Ollie Pope deserves extra poppadoms with his next biryani.
My thoughts, before the sarcasm fuse blows - I'll un-grey them once they're no longer considered spoilers (which I now have):
Who would want to be Mitch Evans? All those years he's spent plugging away at Jaguar, building them up from being stone dead last in season 3 to being their first podium-sitter, their first winner, seeing off every team-mate he's ever had, including Sam Bird, and now, if anyone's finally going to take Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag to both titles, it's less likely to be him.
Who would want to be me, trying to make predictions such as "the team formerly known as NIO will score nul points this season" only for that to be torpedoed at the second round?
Who would want to run a Mahindra drivetrain, now that all four Mahindra-powered entries are still on nul points? Regretting your decision to leave Maserati, are you, Edo?
Who would want to be Antonio Felix da Costa or Norman Nato in round 3? Despite their powerful Porsche powertrains, both of them found the four Mahindra-powered cars too stiff a challenge to get past, and it's not as if AFDC can't pull off some spectacular passing moves in that car - see last year for details.
Who would want to be Sebastien Buemi's mechanics? Did anyone else think of Punta Del Este in season 1? "AAAAAAAH NOOOOOOON! PARDON!"
Who would want to be lumbered with polishing Stoffel Vandoorne's championship trophy? All the discussion about champions in F1 tends to revolve around how X, Y and Z "wasn't a worthy champion who didn't deserve it and it should have been (insert driver we're stanning for here) instead..." etc, etc, etc, ad nauseam. Jake Dennis has just become the latest champion to show that his championship wasn't a fluke - in the first Diriyah race, at least. So, of the seven one-time champions, he's become the fifth to get a post-championship win. The other two... haven't even stood on a podium after their championship seasons, let alone get a win, and The Unstoffable Belgian Waffle shares that unenviable record with Nelson Piquet Jr., who nobody likes (except his dad, and nobody likes him either). At least Nelsinho had the excuse of terrible machinery that wasn't capable of delivering wins while he remained with The Team Now No Longer Known As NIO, and Jaaaaaaag were still establishing themselves in his one and a half seasons with them.
Also: Ollie Pope deserves extra poppadoms with his next biryani.
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James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
I missed watching these races live, and I didn’t get round to recording them on my digital recording device from TNT Sports. Last year, this meant that I would simply go to Channel 4’s YouTube channel a few hours later and watch the hole race there. Now what do I do if I miss the whole race again? I could watch 5 minutes of highlights on the Formula E YouTube channel, but that feels like eating a packet of crisps when you really fancy a full-blown roast dinner. So where can I go to get my roast dinner with all the trimmings that is the full races from Saudi Arabia?
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There's no pork in that roast dinner, is there? Eh? Eh?dr-baker wrote: ↑30 Jan 2024, 06:37 I missed watching these races live, and I didn’t get round to recording them on my digital recording device from TNT Sports. Last year, this meant that I would simply go to Channel 4’s YouTube channel a few hours later and watch the hole race there. Now what do I do if I miss the whole race again? I could watch 5 minutes of highlights on the Formula E YouTube channel, but that feels like eating a packet of crisps when you really fancy a full-blown roast dinner. So where can I go to get my roast dinner with all the trimmings that is the full races from Saudi Arabia?
What you could do is send me a message and I'll see if I can sort you out with... something. I won't say what it is, and be warned it won't be "premium quality", but it'll be enough to keep you happy. I will say no more. You have my email, right? Probably an old one but I'm still watching it.
Meanwhile, being the NERD that I am, I have STATISTICS! These should go some way to showing who's "the best", or rather, who's been the most successful driver in Formula E over the first nine seasons (i.e. not including the first three races this season). I've done so by calculating what percentage of the total points available each driver has scored, out of the total races entered - a DNS counts as an entry and instant retirement and zero points, a withdrawal does not count as an entry as it has, at times, allowed another driver to step into the same car.
Then I've ranked those drivers who have competed in at least 16 ePrix, i.e. the length of the longest seasons so far. Had I not done this, there would be the bizarre anomaly of Pierre Gasly as the second-best driver ever after his two substitute appearances in the otherwise-BUEMIWINSLOL car in season 3. There are 41 drivers who qualify for this list, and if it proves anything, it's "driving for NIO can seriously harm your career".
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DRIVER EPRIX CHAMP WINS % OF TOTAL
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1 J. Dennis 47 * 5 32.37
2 L. di Grassi 115 * 13 30.78
3 F. Rosenqvist 25 3 30.76
4 J-E. Vergne 114 * * 11 29.66
5 S. Buemi 114 * 13 27.97
6 M. Evans 95 10 26.36
7 S. Bird 114 11 24.96
8 N. Cassidy 47 5 24.89
9 N. Prost 45 3 23.00
10 S. Vandoorne 71 * 3 22.69
11 N. de Vries 42 * 4 21.30
12 A.F. da Costa 112 * 8 20.27
13 P. Wehrlein 64 4 19.78
14 D. Abt 69 2 19.18
15 E. Mortara 80 6 17.99
16 R. Frijns 89 2 17.35
17 N. Heidfeld 44 16.51
18 J. d'Ambrosio 69 3 15.84
19 N. Piquet 51 * 2 15.80
20 A. Lotterer 81 15.37
21 L. Duval 28 14.72
22 B. Senna 21 14.60
23 O. Rowland 64 1 14.45
24 M. Günther 67 4 13.31
25 R. Rast 38 13.08
26 N. Nato 33 1 12.04
27 S. Sarrazin 37 11.70
28 A. Sims 55 1 10.73
29 J. Hughes 16 10.34
30 A. Lynn 42 1 10.01
31 J.M. López 33 8.57
32 M. Engel 23 7.05
33 S. Fenestraz 17 6.49
34 F. Massa 24 5.52
35 O. Askew 16 5.17
36 N. Müller 33 4.62
37 O. Turvey 89 4.31
38 T. Dillmann 23 3.60
39 D. Ticktum 32 3.13
40 S. Sette Câmara 53 2.05
41 T. Blomqvist 23 1.46I'd never have expected Nico Prost to be quite so high up, even though he was in the all-conquering (and very cheesy) e.dams in the early days - he faded dramatically in his final season. Also, he was the only driver in the list to be affected by the season 1 rule that every driver must drop the worst non-DSQ result - everyone else had at least no-score round. Prost only dropped one point, and I've calculated his ranking on gross points rather than net. His dad would have something to say about dropping points during the 1988 F1 season grumble grumble zut alors etc etc etc.
No prizes for anyone who guessed that Nelson Piquet was the lowest-ranked champion, though Alex Lynn as the lowest-ranked winner was less obvious and Max Günther as the lowest-ranked multiple winner was a surprise - then again, he did have two very unproductive seasons, and was dropped for a few races in his first season and told to shape up or ship out (clearly he made the right decision).
Two podium-sitters didn't even make this list - Franck Montagny (two races and two races only), and Scott Speed - though Wikipedia's list of FE drivers must have an error in there as the number of podiums, when the nine from this season are removed, adds up to 347 when it should be 348.
James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
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Email has been sent! And no, I’m not porking anything. But a bit of gammon goes down well…dinizintheoven wrote: ↑31 Jan 2024, 22:46There's no pork in that roast dinner, is there? Eh? Eh?dr-baker wrote: ↑30 Jan 2024, 06:37 I missed watching these races live, and I didn’t get round to recording them on my digital recording device from TNT Sports. Last year, this meant that I would simply go to Channel 4’s YouTube channel a few hours later and watch the hole race there. Now what do I do if I miss the whole race again? I could watch 5 minutes of highlights on the Formula E YouTube channel, but that feels like eating a packet of crisps when you really fancy a full-blown roast dinner. So where can I go to get my roast dinner with all the trimmings that is the full races from Saudi Arabia?
What you could do is send me a message and I'll see if I can sort you out with... something. I won't say what it is, and be warned it won't be "premium quality", but it'll be enough to keep you happy. I will say no more. You have my email, right? Probably an old one but I'm still watching it.
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So happy to see Sam Bird win again. I was hoping he could pull it off, but equally concerned that it would all go wrong as it has several times over the past few years. But the last few laps, I would have been happy for him to have come second, would have been his best result since 2022. Great move at the end of the Race to see him finally take the win.
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June 2023:
July 2023:
August 2023 (in the off-season):dinizintheoven wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 15:39 Listening to the interview after today's race, it sounds as if either Sam Bird has already been told he's fired for next season, or that he doesn't believe he's up to the job any more... maybe both. I would say "the curse of the second Jaguar seat strikes again", but he's been the most successful of the Other Jags by miles. Adam Carroll, NPJ, Alex Lynn, James Calado, none of them ever stood on the podium, even if NPJ's season and a half brought three fourth places... but he'd been the inaugural champion and more was expected of him. Norman Nato's substitute appearance last season led to a blank scoresheet. But even with two wins and five further podiums over three seasons, Mitch has beaten him every time.
Zak Brown wrote:Alongside Jake, I’m confident that we have one of the strongest pairings on the Formula E grid.
I stand very much corrected. We all do.dinizintheoven wrote: ↑23 Aug 2023, 14:37 Epic cope. If he (Zak Brown) was talking about Jake Dennis, and the Sam Bird of the Virgin days who could punch above that car's weight, he might have a point, but he isn't. Jake Hughes has a very heavy right foot that doesn't suit FE and Sam... is well past his best. Though, I'd like him to prove me wrong and maybe he'll end up as FE World Champion when he's knocking hard on the door of 40.
What next? Will Daniel Ricciardo drag the VCARB onto the podium? Will Nelson Piquet Jr. return to FE and win his second title... with ERT? Will Nigel Mansell win Le Mans with his two sons in tow despite being north of 70?Sid Waddell wrote:That's the greatest comeback since Lazarus! Howay man, divn't y'kna.
James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
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Well, let's hope this isn't a flash in the pan success, like Williams's last win with Pastor Maldonado was...
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It feels like the 1997 F1 season with Lola Cars and with Yamaha motors. Just need a credit card sponsor now to finance the team. Although that blue and yellow livery does look pretty good...
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Bring it on! Let's see if they can team up with Vincenzo Sospiri Racing for extra technical support.
While they'll not be at risk of a DNQ in FE, Lola will have to get used to being bottom of the standings for a couple of years - especially with Yamaha being an all-new drivetrain manufacturer, and even if they'd not come in the only option of a drivetrain not used by two teams is the reticent ERT.
It also raises the possibility of what drivetrain ABT Cupra are going to switch to. They've ditched Mahindra two years early, and with good reason - surely they'll want to get something more competitive lined up, which means one unlucky team are going to be dumped with the slow ERT or the new and unproven Yamaha.
While they'll not be at risk of a DNQ in FE, Lola will have to get used to being bottom of the standings for a couple of years - especially with Yamaha being an all-new drivetrain manufacturer, and even if they'd not come in the only option of a drivetrain not used by two teams is the reticent ERT.
It also raises the possibility of what drivetrain ABT Cupra are going to switch to. They've ditched Mahindra two years early, and with good reason - surely they'll want to get something more competitive lined up, which means one unlucky team are going to be dumped with the slow ERT or the new and unproven Yamaha.
James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
Re: The Lucas di Grassi Formula E Thread
Finally got caught up (I don't have the pay-per-view channel and refuse to pay for it, even for the formula e), so my turn to comment.
Super happy for Sam, that was a good race for him. Overall pretty lively, and I'm slightly surprised Di Grassi didn't get a penalty for going off-track at t1/t2 without stopping, unlike later on when a couple of drivers did.
Spoilers for Tokyo in light grey, since it was only yesterday.
Not sure why Bird ended up so far back, since we didn't see it. Also didn't see what caused Di Grassi and De Vries to retire, though I presume it was them coming together.
Definitely a few sideways moments, and the ramp down to turn 3 was pretty bumpy. A little gutted for Mortara, which means Mahindra remain firmly glued to the bottom of the teams championship.
Nice win for Gunther though.
Super happy for Sam, that was a good race for him. Overall pretty lively, and I'm slightly surprised Di Grassi didn't get a penalty for going off-track at t1/t2 without stopping, unlike later on when a couple of drivers did.
Spoilers for Tokyo in light grey, since it was only yesterday.
Not sure why Bird ended up so far back, since we didn't see it. Also didn't see what caused Di Grassi and De Vries to retire, though I presume it was them coming together.
Definitely a few sideways moments, and the ramp down to turn 3 was pretty bumpy. A little gutted for Mortara, which means Mahindra remain firmly glued to the bottom of the teams championship.
Nice win for Gunther though.
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It’s been a week now, so I will make this readable and reply to it…
This YouTube video explains what happened to Sam Bird, and quite frankly, it sounds frightfully scary to be honest: https://youtu.be/G4x7yfIsl9k?si=a6V9xGMKVkeJ8U3s. Also starts with a couple of good jokes, albeit a bit racy?SammiRei wrote: ↑31 Mar 2024, 19:39
Not sure why Bird ended up so far back, since we didn't see it. Also didn't see what caused Di Grassi and De Vries to retire, though I presume it was them coming together.
Definitely a few sideways moments, and the ramp down to turn 3 was pretty bumpy. A little gutted for Mortara, which means Mahindra remain firmly glued to the bottom of the teams championship.
Nice win for Gunther though.[/color]
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Spoilers for Misano in light grey for a week or so.
Race 6 was certainly chaotic, but if the rumours about the GB E-Prix moving to Silverstone from next year are true, this would go a long way to demonstrating why - even for Formula E this was a lot of action and overtaking.
Kinda gutted for DaCosta, since that was entirely outside of his control.
As for race 7, somewhat less chaotic, but how Rowland's error happened I have no idea - I was watching with my family and around the time the commentators were saying he could go flat out to the end I said that I thought they'd miscounted by a lap and he'd be just short.
Also I'm pretty sure it was DiGrassi who punted Bird off, and the 5-second time penalty the latter got for causing a collision would seem to bear that out.
Race 6 was certainly chaotic, but if the rumours about the GB E-Prix moving to Silverstone from next year are true, this would go a long way to demonstrating why - even for Formula E this was a lot of action and overtaking.
Kinda gutted for DaCosta, since that was entirely outside of his control.
As for race 7, somewhat less chaotic, but how Rowland's error happened I have no idea - I was watching with my family and around the time the commentators were saying he could go flat out to the end I said that I thought they'd miscounted by a lap and he'd be just short.
Also I'm pretty sure it was DiGrassi who punted Bird off, and the 5-second time penalty the latter got for causing a collision would seem to bear that out.
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Further spoilers for Misano, nothing to do with what SammiRei has already mentioned:
A big shout to Nico Müller for dragging the reticent Mahindra-"powered" Abt Cupra to 4th in the second race, and it would have been a podium for the beleagured former champions, had Müller had just a scrap more energy left - the most likely reason he was beaten right at the finish line was because he had to lift off to avoid being disqualified.
Great news for fans of everyone's favourite driving delinquent who has unflattering views about Nicholas Latifi: Dan Ticktum unrejectified himself! And he'd have done it even if those revolting penalties hadn't been handed out, as he'd have been 6th and already had two 6th places before. But he ended up classified 4th, and that'd have done it in one shot. This means that Jehan Daruvala - who scored his first points in the second race - is now the only driver on the grid still in FE Reject status...
...that is, until Berlin, where both Envision drivers and Nyck de Vries will be stepping aside due to commitments in the WEC. Previous FE Reject Joel Eriksson will be joined by 20-year-old Paul Aron, the first FE driver born in the 21st Century (albeit the second born in a year starting with a two, after David Beckmann). Meanwhile, at Mahindra, Jordan King will keep NdV's seat warm.
Dan Ticktum was previous the driver with the highest number of race entries without being unrejectified, but has done so at the 38th attempt. It is now Tom Blomqvist who has had the highest number of entries without being unrejectified, at 23 - previously this was only the highest number of races with no progress towards unrejectification. The highest number of races without scoring a point is 14, a record which will probably always be held by Ma Qing Hua.
And no need for a spoiler-cut on this one: Abt Cupra are teaming up with Lola-Yamaha for their powertrain next season. A word of warning to them, though - if they think it can't get any worse than Mahindra's powertrain not being up to scratch, Jaguar weren't exactly up the sharp end when they joined FE later than everyone else, finishing dead last in the first year and having three more in the doldrums before coming good in 2020-21. Even the might of Mercedes didn't get it right first time, albeit that HWA Racelab was more of a testing-the-water entry for their first year in the series. Will the Abt management have the same level of patience as Jaguar did?
Also, it's not entirely obvious whether Lola will field a car of their own, or whether they're just going to be a powertrain supplier.
A big shout to Nico Müller for dragging the reticent Mahindra-"powered" Abt Cupra to 4th in the second race, and it would have been a podium for the beleagured former champions, had Müller had just a scrap more energy left - the most likely reason he was beaten right at the finish line was because he had to lift off to avoid being disqualified.
Great news for fans of everyone's favourite driving delinquent who has unflattering views about Nicholas Latifi: Dan Ticktum unrejectified himself! And he'd have done it even if those revolting penalties hadn't been handed out, as he'd have been 6th and already had two 6th places before. But he ended up classified 4th, and that'd have done it in one shot. This means that Jehan Daruvala - who scored his first points in the second race - is now the only driver on the grid still in FE Reject status...
...that is, until Berlin, where both Envision drivers and Nyck de Vries will be stepping aside due to commitments in the WEC. Previous FE Reject Joel Eriksson will be joined by 20-year-old Paul Aron, the first FE driver born in the 21st Century (albeit the second born in a year starting with a two, after David Beckmann). Meanwhile, at Mahindra, Jordan King will keep NdV's seat warm.
Dan Ticktum was previous the driver with the highest number of race entries without being unrejectified, but has done so at the 38th attempt. It is now Tom Blomqvist who has had the highest number of entries without being unrejectified, at 23 - previously this was only the highest number of races with no progress towards unrejectification. The highest number of races without scoring a point is 14, a record which will probably always be held by Ma Qing Hua.
And no need for a spoiler-cut on this one: Abt Cupra are teaming up with Lola-Yamaha for their powertrain next season. A word of warning to them, though - if they think it can't get any worse than Mahindra's powertrain not being up to scratch, Jaguar weren't exactly up the sharp end when they joined FE later than everyone else, finishing dead last in the first year and having three more in the doldrums before coming good in 2020-21. Even the might of Mercedes didn't get it right first time, albeit that HWA Racelab was more of a testing-the-water entry for their first year in the series. Will the Abt management have the same level of patience as Jaguar did?
Also, it's not entirely obvious whether Lola will field a car of their own, or whether they're just going to be a powertrain supplier.
James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time:
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
"...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"