Grand Prix Rejects

We will introduce many new features. Just two of which will be that the pole position will be the result of playoffs, with cars racing one against another, in a format similar to tennis or champions.
The second is that in the pit-stop, the driver will not change tyres or batteries, they will change car!

Autosport.com wrote:The FIA has agreed to licence out the commercial rights of the Formula E electric championship it aims to launch in 2014.

A consortium of international investors, among them Addax team owner Alejandro Agag and Drayson Racing managing partner Lord Drayson, will take charge of the series' commercial rights after reaching an agreement with the FIA.

The series will feature cars powered exclusively by electric energy, and will have an almost open rulebook - the main stipulation being a maximum battery weight of 300kg.

Eric Barbaroux, chairman of French company 'Electric Formula', and billionaire investor Enrique Banuelos are the other partners in the newly-created Formula E Holdings [FEH].

FIA president Jean Todt said he was confident the experience of the FEH parties would prove a massive benefit to the series.

dr-baker wrote:And the FIA are to licence out the commercial rights to the championship:

Autosport.com wrote:The FIA has agreed to licence out the commercial rights of the Formula E electric championship it aims to launch in 2014.

A consortium of international investors, among them Addax team owner Alejandro Agag and Drayson Racing managing partner Lord Drayson, will take charge of the series' commercial rights after reaching an agreement with the FIA.

The series will feature cars powered exclusively by electric energy, and will have an almost open rulebook - the main stipulation being a maximum battery weight of 300kg.

Eric Barbaroux, chairman of French company 'Electric Formula', and billionaire investor Enrique Banuelos are the other partners in the newly-created Formula E Holdings [FEH].

FIA president Jean Todt said he was confident the experience of the FEH parties would prove a massive benefit to the series.

Plus, I remember reading bits about it last summer (well, one article each in Autosport and Auto Hebdo) and I think the intention is that all the races will be city-based street tracks. The intention is to convince the public at large of electric cars, and so they reckon that by taking the races of electric cars to the masses, this may persuade people to ditch the internal combustion in favour of cars that rely heavily on rare earth metals and strong acids that will need to be replaced at least a couple of times during the life-times of the cars, plus on distant power stations, many of which still rely on fossil fuels or nuclear radiation...

eurobrun wrote:

dr-baker wrote:And the FIA are to licence out the commercial rights to the championship:

Autosport.com wrote:The FIA has agreed to licence out the commercial rights of the Formula E electric championship it aims to launch in 2014.

A consortium of international investors, among them Addax team owner Alejandro Agag and Drayson Racing managing partner Lord Drayson, will take charge of the series' commercial rights after reaching an agreement with the FIA.

The series will feature cars powered exclusively by electric energy, and will have an almost open rulebook - the main stipulation being a maximum battery weight of 300kg.

Eric Barbaroux, chairman of French company 'Electric Formula', and billionaire investor Enrique Banuelos are the other partners in the newly-created Formula E Holdings [FEH].

FIA president Jean Todt said he was confident the experience of the FEH parties would prove a massive benefit to the series.

Plus, I remember reading bits about it last summer (well, one article each in Autosport and Auto Hebdo) and I think the intention is that all the races will be city-based street tracks. The intention is to convince the public at large of electric cars, and so they reckon that by taking the races of electric cars to the masses, this may persuade people to ditch the internal combustion in favour of cars that rely heavily on rare earth metals and strong acids that will need to be replaced at least a couple of times during the life-times of the cars, plus on distant power stations, many of which still rely on fossil fuels or nuclear radiation...

So in other words, they are less environmentally friendly than what they are intended to replace

I'm loving the rejectfulness already.

dr-baker wrote:Well, that is only my perception of it, of course. I don't remember reading much to prove I'm right. But I do remember once reading that a lot more CO2 is used in both the manufacture and disposal of a Toyota Prius compared to a standard internal combustion car. I wonder if Faustus or Mario could confirm or refute my prejudices?

mario wrote:

dr-baker wrote:Well, that is only my perception of it, of course. I don't remember reading much to prove I'm right. But I do remember once reading that a lot more CO2 is used in both the manufacture and disposal of a Toyota Prius compared to a standard internal combustion car. I wonder if Faustus or Mario could confirm or refute my prejudices?

I do recall that there was a report that claimed that a Toyota Prius caused more environmental damage over its life cycle than a Hummer, but there were also several papers that tore the assumptions that were made in the original paper to shreds, since they relied on some very optimistic assumptions in some areas and some very pessimistic assumptions in others (particularly over how long those vehicles would be used for).

That said, whilst there might be a difference in the manufacturing and disposal stages, the energy expenditure during those stages is relatively low compared to the amount of fuel energy that you get through when driving your car. In the UK, for example, the Department for Transport reckons that the average person does about 8,500 miles a year; if the average person can get 35mpg a year, that equates to about 240 gallons, or around 1100 litres, of fuel per year. A litre of petrol, in turn, has about 35MJ of energy, so each year your average driver uses the equivalent of around 38,000MJ of energy (about 1.5 times as much energy that you average household uses per year for domestic purposes).

As to the question of whether or not it would be more efficient for that energy to be distributed through the national grid, it might well be the case - it is currently an issue of debate, but given that your average power station tends to work under constant load and power losses through the national grid are relatively low, there is some evidence to suggest that the net emissions from an electrically powered vehicle might still be less than the equivalent petrol engined car. I don't believe that a definite answer has been reached on that question, however, so that may change as time goes on.

eurobrun wrote:

dr-baker wrote:And the FIA are to licence out the commercial rights to the championship:

Autosport.com wrote:The FIA has agreed to licence out the commercial rights of the Formula E electric championship it aims to launch in 2014.

A consortium of international investors, among them Addax team owner Alejandro Agag and Drayson Racing managing partner Lord Drayson, will take charge of the series' commercial rights after reaching an agreement with the FIA.

The series will feature cars powered exclusively by electric energy, and will have an almost open rulebook - the main stipulation being a maximum battery weight of 300kg.

Eric Barbaroux, chairman of French company 'Electric Formula', and billionaire investor Enrique Banuelos are the other partners in the newly-created Formula E Holdings [FEH].

FIA president Jean Todt said he was confident the experience of the FEH parties would prove a massive benefit to the series.

Plus, I remember reading bits about it last summer (well, one article each in Autosport and Auto Hebdo) and I think the intention is that all the races will be city-based street tracks. The intention is to convince the public at large of electric cars, and so they reckon that by taking the races of electric cars to the masses, this may persuade people to ditch the internal combustion in favour of cars that rely heavily on rare earth metals and strong acids that will need to be replaced at least a couple of times during the life-times of the cars, plus on distant power stations, many of which still rely on fossil fuels or nuclear radiation...

So in other words, they are less environmentally friendly than what they are intended to replace

I'm loving the rejectfulness already.

the driver will not change tyres or batteries, they will change car!

and will have an almost open rulebook - the main stipulation being a maximum battery weight of 300kg.

Shadaza wrote:Environmental questions aside this line from autosport has my interest/

and will have an almost open rulebook - the main stipulation being a maximum battery weight of 300kg.

So in my head I have all sorts of wacky racer designs . A series with an open slate has my interest, for science!

WaffleCat wrote:

Shadaza wrote:Environmental questions aside this line from autosport has my interest/

and will have an almost open rulebook - the main stipulation being a maximum battery weight of 300kg.

So in my head I have all sorts of wacky racer designs . A series with an open slate has my interest, for science!

So basically it's Can-Am,just modernised,less horsepower and much more silent.

I like it.Maybe.

AndreaModa wrote:Top Gear had an episode a few years back that compared the fuel economy of a Prius to that of an ordinary diesel car, I think it was an Audi A4 or something like that. Turned out of course that the diesel engine in fact delivered better fuel economy than the Prius, thereby emitting less harmful emissions, and not requiring a battery, as dr-baker has pointed out, full of rare earth metals.

I also remember James May going on about this in a feature on the future of cars in another older Top Gear and how battery-powered electric cars are not the answer. Instead we should be looking at hydrogen fuel cells and things like that.

People in the UK may have noticed the proliferation of electric car charging points at motorway service stations, and those as far as I'm aware are powered entirely by solar panels and wind turbines located on-site. It's therefore arguable that a solution like that is quite sustainable and appropriate, but again it doesn't solve the problem of the batteries themselves, the production methods required to manufacture them, and how often they need to be changed and the disposal of them.

I think there needs to be a lot more work before battery-powered cars make it into the mainstream.

Addax owner Alejandro Agag, one of a consortium of international investors taking charge of the series' commercial rights, said di Grassi would play an active role in the development of not just the car but also the series that is scheduled to start in 2014.

"For the championship, it is extremely important to have a driver like Lucas di Grassi working with us," he explained.

"He is probably the most experienced development driver in motor sport."

East Londoner wrote:Take a guess who already hates this series.

East Londoner wrote:Take a guess who already hates this series.

Ferrarist wrote:

East Londoner wrote:Take a guess who already hates this series.

The cynic in me says that he won't live for too long, to see Formula E thrive.

Wizzie wrote:

Ferrarist wrote:

East Londoner wrote:Take a guess who already hates this series.

The cynic in me says that he won't live for too long, to see Formula E thrive.

We've already established that Bernie sold Brabham to the Devil himself in exchange for eternal life. Needless to say, Bernie got a much better deal out of it.

eurobrun wrote:I didn't know that Middlebridge were the devil

Satan wrote:They aren't. Neither am I, so it seems. BERNIE IS! How was I to know when he wrote that contract that said "I.O.U. one soul, signed B.C. Ecclestone" that he didn't have one to sell? I AM ANGRY! VENGEANCE WILL BE MINE! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA *cough* *cough* Bah... it's cold here since that scarecrow-headed weasel took all my money... throw another Saddam on the fire, would you?

East Londoner wrote:Take a guess who already hates this series.

“If you look at the nature of the event, you cannot ask 25,000 people to come to a city venue for a 20 minute race. It’s not reasonable. You need to put on a show that is long enough for people to sit down and watch it, sit down in their houses and watch it. At least to get close to one hour.

“So a driver will have Car A and Car B. After around 30 minutes he will drop Car A, run a certain distance to his second car, race that, then come back to his first car, which has been on quick recharge and will be up to about 50% of the charge. So with 25 plus 25 plus 10 you are there at one hour.

“Of course we are showing an obvious limitation of electric cars, which is range. But over the years we will show the evolution of electric cars and batteries. And the video production people love it because it’s a new part of the show. We are going to try a lot of new things in this championship.”

Drivers are going to switch cars during the race.

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:Every time I see the title of this thread, I'm thinking that Vic Lee has entered a team and changed up his produce from dried flower to pills...

Joey Zyla wrote:How is this rejectful?

madmark1974 wrote:

Joey Zyla wrote:How is this rejectful?

Does the fact that they are claiming the cars will be able to run for 25 minutes before running out of 'steam' not sound a bit rejectful to you? - and that's if they can even achieve that long ...

FantometteBR wrote:I guess some 'endurance' thing could come in handy for this 'switcheroo' part