Grand Prix Rejects

Posted: **15 Dec 2018, 18:18**

I was quite glad to find out that Virgin Media has the BBC Red Button as channel 991, so that's how I watched it.

Without spoiling anything who might inadvertently have tripped over this thread, it was... in a way... a bit like the first ever race in that there was an unknown quantity in the 2nd generation car. At least we know now that it works, and I'm sure in a few races, we'll see the drivers ending the race with 1% energy rather than [redacted].

Reject Of The Race was [redacted] because [redacted].

Posted: **15 Dec 2018, 20:42**

dinizintheoven wrote:I was quite glad to find out that Virgin Media has the BBC Red Button as channel 991, so that's how I watched it.

Without spoiling anything who might inadvertently have tripped over this thread, it was... in a way... a bit like the first ever race in that there was an unknown quantity in the 2nd generation car. At least we know now that it works, and I'm sure in a few races, we'll see the drivers ending the race with 1% energy rather than [redacted].

Reject Of The Race was [redacted] because [redacted].

And you agree that IIDOTR was [redacted] because [redacted]?

Posted: **15 Dec 2018, 22:52**

dr-baker wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:I was quite glad to find out that Virgin Media has the BBC Red Button as channel 991, so that's how I watched it.

Without spoiling anything who might inadvertently have tripped over this thread, it was... in a way... a bit like the first ever race in that there was an unknown quantity in the 2nd generation car. At least we know now that it works, and I'm sure in a few races, we'll see the drivers ending the race with 1% energy rather than [redacted].

Reject Of The Race was [redacted] because [redacted].

And you agree that IIDOTR was [redacted] because [redacted]?

Nah, surely IIDOTR should be [redacted] because of that [redacted] thing [redacted] did? That was [redacted] amazing!

(Note: I actually haven’t watched the race so I actually have no idea who it actually is meant to be! :lol:

)

Posted: **16 Dec 2018, 02:39**

I had checked all the sites I normally do in the morning—well, after I wake up, which is rarely the morning—and I was about to leave YouTube when I saw the video for the Saudi, I mean Ad Diriyah, ePrix. I knew FE was this weekend, but like, world championship motor races are supposed to be on Sunday. Whatever, not a complaint.

So I watch the pre-race show. It's okay, Franchitti is pretty good, but Vernon Kay seems like he doesn't want to be there. I learn that practice has been severely reduced, and not just in the F1 style of "there was rain on Friday". The grid order is really weird, even considering it's the start of a new regulation era. The grid interviews have 1) drivers saying they don't know what'll happen and 2) celebrities who clearly think Liuzzi is a pasta shape.

In the first few minutes of the race, the direction changes focus so often I can't tell what's going on anywhere. "FULL / COURSE / YELLOW" is super obnoxious. Fortunately, a fight for the lead forces the director to settle down. The track is, well, I think it's good, and it's just the cameras and the fact it's not F1 so I only watch the races letting it down. The esses look really fun to drive, but they have a Korea-esque unlearnability to them as far as watching goes.

The bobbing Attack Mode graphic is annoying in its bobbing. Attack Mode itself is all right, though. It's like an overtake button, but different and weird. Like Formula E should be. At one point during the race, actually two, there are two extra columns of timing tower graphics, one for saying who has FanBoost and one for saying how much Attack Mode time everyone has left. That sums up our main problem with the 2010s, I think. And what's with the chevrons? Just put the time. Then you don't have to explain what the weird chevrons mean. Do they round down or up? I think up, but I'm still not completely sure. And a timer is 60 times as precise anyway.

But that's cosmetics, what about the racing? Well, [redacted] pretty much locked ROTR up when they [redacted] in that way. Anyway, there were a few really good overtakes and nothing else. Like the 2017 Chinese GP. I spent pretty much the entire race getting over how slightly weird everything was. The new order, the new rules... it's just... slightly weird. But again, FE should be that way. [redacted]'s pace is concerning, but I don't think taking this race to mean anything is a good idea.

The first race of the second generation was, overall, fairly exciting and a bit weird. I'm thankful for Formula E's role in making northern hemisphere winter motorsport deprivation less severe.

Posted: **16 Dec 2018, 19:22**

There was a pre-race show, with Vernon Kay? Was this on BT Sport? The BBC's Red Button coverage was almost Setanta-esque in its minimalism, though at least they were good enough to show us the full podium.

Posted: **16 Dec 2018, 19:43**

dinizintheoven wrote:There was a pre-race show, with Vernon Kay? Was this on BT Sport? The BBC's Red Button coverage was almost Setanta-esque in its minimalism, though at least they were good enough to show us the full podium.

I missed Vernon Kay on BBC iPlayer too... was he on the YouTube coverage?

Posted: **16 Dec 2018, 20:34**

dr-baker wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:There was a pre-race show, with Vernon Kay? Was this on BT Sport? The BBC's Red Button coverage was almost Setanta-esque in its minimalism, though at least they were good enough to show us the full podium.

I missed Vernon Kay on BBC iPlayer too... was he on the YouTube coverage?

It was the YouTube coverage. Certainly a change from the last time I watched it, where the video literally started with the start lights....

Posted: **22 Dec 2018, 15:10**

Just saw it now repeated on "Freesports" in the UK, which seems to show nothing but tinpot motorsport and Swedish ice-hockey leagues

The race was really good fun. Reject of the Race candidates for me were:
- Attack Mode!: To have had that there for the first few laps to inform the viewer of where the attack mode area was, would have been at least acceptable. To have it flash up there every time the coverage showed that corner, was way too much and got very annoying very quickly
- José-María López: Missing the attack zone twice apparently, then hitting the wall, whilst competing for a podium at least. Classic reject stuff.
- Techeetah, but also André Lotterer: that double penalty cost them the win, but Lotterer was bumping all over the place and was clearly outpaced by Vergne.

Infinite Improbability of the Race candidates for me were:
- The number of overtakes!: Great to see so much movement within the field; refreshing to see how close cars can be, and real racing for once.
- The hierarchy (not to be a hypocrite): Formula E was a laughing stock for a long time as anyone seemingly could jump in and compete at the very front. Scott Speed almost won his first race, and Scott Speed is hardly at the quality of a champion like Enrique Bernoldi. For most of the race that I was watching, Massa was leading the newbies in 8th, and it seemed nice that enough of a hierarchy and basic standard quality of drivers has been brought in

But yeah, good job Formula E, you have a fan for this season!

Posted: **12 Jan 2019, 15:17**

So it's approximately one minute into the race, and I'm calling Reject of the Race as The YouTube coverage. Formula E always stream the race on YouTube for international audiences to watch it through. I've never had a problem with this before.

For this race they had some amateur guests of whom I've never heard - I think they're boyband members? Full-screen on the video, sitting in some studio somewhere. am fuming right now. They showed the first five seconds of the race, where the incident happened in the first corner, and have shown these amateur guests on a couch somewhere shouting at each other since. As of about ten minutes into the race, we're at 80% dislikes on the YouTube video, and everyone on the live chat there is absolutely furious, as I am, wondering why they're not getting to see the race. It's advertised as live coverage of the race, and there isn't any. There is no coverage of the race whatsoever.

What a bloody blunder, FE.

Posted: **12 Jan 2019, 19:39**

And there I was thinking YouTube did something a bit extra. First time round I was wondering why everyone else who wasn't watching via the BBC Red button got to see the usual presenting team with the BBC's coverage reduced to Setanta levels of minimalism; this time it looks like the situation is reversed. How odd.

I would hope Max Verstappen took his "punishment" stewarding job seriously when that incident happened, and someone said "LOOK AT THAT, MAX - THAT'S WHAT YOU DON'T DO!"

I am quite seriously chuffed for the winner, for reasons which should be obvious when you know who it is.

Posted: **12 Jan 2019, 23:07**

dinizintheoven wrote:I am quite seriously chuffed for the winner, for reasons which should be obvious when you know who it is.

Yeah, seeing Pedro Diniz appear as a last-minute replacement for [redacted -spoilers!] was a surprise, but then to see him dominate in such fashion was wonderful. I can see Parmalat becoming title sponsors of that team before long. Just so long as the car doesn't end up catching fire mid-race this year...

Posted: **12 Jan 2019, 23:22**

So I'm here in Morocco, and boy it's been pretty fun! One thing to take away from this weekend: the JEV custom forum emoji might need a wee update...

Posted: **13 Jan 2019, 00:56**

Is there a team that wants to win this series right now?

Posted: **13 Jan 2019, 09:15**

Sorry about my post yesterday - I was very emotional when I posted that. But so were a lot of other people, as shown by the chat on the YouTube video, where a lot of people like myself felt they had been duped and found they were suddenly not allowed to watch the race.

I mean, I still don't know what happened beyond literally the first corner, thanks to that.

Posted: **13 Jan 2019, 12:00**

No need to apologize: it's appalling treatment of viewers. I was furious when Sky skipped the live coverage of the start of an F2 race, having committed to "full" and "enhanced" coverage.
I don't understand how they can fundamentally misunderstand their audience in these circumstances. It's really not difficult; show the action

Posted: **13 Jan 2019, 15:19**

Rob Dylan wrote:Sorry about my post yesterday - I was very emotional when I posted that. But so were a lot of other people, as shown by the chat on the YouTube video, where a lot of people like myself felt they had been duped and found they were suddenly not allowed to watch the race.

I mean, I still don't know what happened beyond literally the first corner, thanks to that.

You're in the UK, right? Then you should be able to catch up on BBC iPlayer. But had I been watching on YouTube, I would have been irate - it has been advertised as being able to watch via this method in the UK and they failed to deliver. Simple as.

But another observation, particularly after the final safety car, was how closely the cars were able to run nose-to-gearbox. They were all running much closer than F1 cars would have been able to. I suspect it was due to the small wings and large diffuser that made this possible?

Posted: **13 Jan 2019, 17:14**

I watched on Eurosport this time and was delighted to see the usual presentation and commentary team (Vernon Kay, Nicki Shields, Jack, Dario & Bob) rather than Eurosport's terrible line-up so I will stick to that since the BBC red button coverage is far too brief.

Posted: **13 Jan 2019, 20:22**

Barbazza wrote:I watched on Eurosport this time and was delighted to see the usual presentation and commentary team (Vernon Kay, Nicki Shields, Jack, Dario & Bob) rather than Eurosport's terrible line-up so I will stick to that since the BBC red button coverage is far too brief.

Sounds like Eurosport and BBC actually had identical coverage, for the same folk were on the BBC.

Posted: **14 Jan 2019, 03:18**

dr-baker wrote:
Rob Dylan wrote:Sorry about my post yesterday - I was very emotional when I posted that. But so were a lot of other people, as shown by the chat on the YouTube video, where a lot of people like myself felt they had been duped and found they were suddenly not allowed to watch the race.

I mean, I still don't know what happened beyond literally the first corner, thanks to that.

You're in the UK, right? Then you should be able to catch up on BBC iPlayer. But had I been watching on YouTube, I would have been irate - it has been advertised as being able to watch via this method in the UK and they failed to deliver. Simple as.

But another observation, particularly after the final safety car, was how closely the cars were able to run nose-to-gearbox. They were all running much closer than F1 cars would have been able to. I suspect it was due to the small wings and large diffuser that made this possible?

Yea, the wings don't provide much aero AFAIK. I even remember someone (Lopez? Di Grassi?) hitting the back of someone and losing a piece of front wing around mid-race, yet they didn't lose too much pace.

Posted: **28 Jan 2019, 13:52**

No reaction to Saturday's goings-on in not-so-chilly Chile?

Top banana for Virgin's premier dwarf, and for Princess Pascal who will probably get a new tiara to polish (though not a gold one to polish just let). And I thought there might just have been a breakthrough for everyone's second-favourite Belgian (after the one named after a brand of custard and rice pudding, obviously), but it was not to be.

A slap for the stewards for, yet again, giving out so many penalties, a lot of which appeared not to be entirely justified. Is Emanuele Pirro involved?

And if I sound like a broken record, because I've probably said it before, why do I get the suspicion that there's someone behind the scenes trying to handicap former series winners so that a new champion is deliberately engineered each year? Lucas di Grassi may have had a good moan on the grid about "the most stupid rule ever" (which I still don't understand what it's concerning, how or why it was implemented) but it wouldn't surprise me if at some stage in the not-too-distant future he finally shoots his mouth off on live TV and outright says what I was implying. And if he gets banned for it, I'll take it as a sign we were both right, comparisons with Alex Jones be damned.

Posted: **28 Jan 2019, 18:26**

dinizintheoven wrote:A slap for the stewards for, yet again, giving out so many penalties, a lot of which appeared not to be entirely justified. Is Emanuele Pirro involved?

I've only just finished watching it. The main problem with the penalties was that in almost every case, they were applied after the race so it was a case of 'here's your finishing order, oh no hang on....here it is after penalties for 3 drivers are appplied'. I get that the stewards only have 45 minutes to make all their decisions in, but if they're struggling, get more people in!

Posted: **28 Jan 2019, 22:06**

Barbazza wrote:I've only just finished watching it. The main problem with the penalties was that in almost every case, they were applied after the race so it was a case of 'here's your finishing order, oh no hang on....here it is after penalties for 3 drivers are appplied'. I get that the stewards only have 45 minutes to make all their decisions in, but if they're struggling, get more people in!

Max Verstappen wrote:Did somebody call?

Posted: **28 Jan 2019, 23:08**

If someone crashed out of the lead in an F1 race, we'd all be talking about it... with FE it's just... it's just FE, I guess

Posted: **16 Feb 2019, 23:34**

Without wanting to give too much away, what complete chaos at the end of today's race!

Posted: **16 Feb 2019, 23:38**

First time I've watched FE this season, christ alive that last lap was ridiculous. Pretty much everyone miscalculated their battery range thanks to the early red flag. :pantano:

Gotta feel for Wehrlein though, he was the class of the field until he got dicked over by Di Grassi.

Posted: **16 Feb 2019, 23:52**

Does anyone here drive a Nissan Leaf?

Better not trust your range meter!

Posted: **17 Feb 2019, 16:51**

Range anxiety for the win!

Posted: **18 Feb 2019, 07:01**

Incidents, close racing all the way through, López providing some rejectfulness, and what a finish! I thought Rally Monte Carlo would spend a while at the top this year, but nope.

I wonder how Rosenqvist feels right now about going to be Dixon's teammate....

Posted: **27 Feb 2019, 21:39**

I have just caught up with the Jaguar iPace eTrophy. Katherine Legge won in Mexico! She leads the championship! by 1 point from Evans, Jiminez AND Sellers...

Posted: **05 Mar 2019, 19:54**

FE to come back to London for 2020 ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/motorsport/47449228

Posted: **06 Mar 2019, 13:12**

Let's hope this is actually confirmed and set in stone and will be something worth staying alive for. The first race at Battersea Park was a grand day out.

Posted: **06 Mar 2019, 14:30**

dinizintheoven wrote:Let's hope this is actually confirmed and set in stone and will be something worth staying alive for. The first race at Battersea Park was a grand day out.

It was indeed, my dear sir. Maybe we should do it again?

Posted: **08 Mar 2019, 10:09**

Very far in the future of course, but I wouldn't mind going there myself, even if it is a bit far from my current location! I'll put myself on the maybe list.

Posted: **10 Mar 2019, 09:21**

Holy heck that finish. Still don't know if Bird will get penalised by the time of this comment, but what a battle. Great defensive drive by Lotterer, shame about the end result for him.

Posted: **10 Mar 2019, 10:03**

Susie Wolff wrote:*banging hard on the stewards' door*
That vas definitely ein deliberate und dangerous move! You vill gif a penalty to Sam Bird or I vill send ANGRY TOTO in to see you und he vill bang his fist on der table, ye ken?

Edvardo... get der celebratory Schottischer champagne, you vill be der vinner.

Edoardo Mortara wrote:*takes one mouthful and spits it out in disgust*
MAMMA MIA, THIS IS... TENNENT'S LAGER!

Posted: **10 Mar 2019, 12:35**

Jim, never ever change!

Enjoyed seeing Jamie Chadwick on the BBC coverage, although I wished she was given more chance to speak by Jenny Gow, even though I don't know whether I agree with her assessment of the Sam Bird clash.

Posted: **10 Mar 2019, 16:21**

dr-baker wrote:Jim, never ever change!

Worry ye not, I won't.

dr-baker wrote:Enjoyed seeing Jamie Chadwick on the BBC coverage, although I wished she was given more chance to speak by Jenny Gow, even though I don't know whether I agree with her assessment of the Sam Bird clash.

Whether or not you agree with her, she called it, I called it, even Sam Bird called it with his less-than-enthusiastic celebration.

And it's not as if he and André Lotterer don't have some history after last season...

Posted: **10 Mar 2019, 18:43**

dinizintheoven wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Enjoyed seeing Jamie Chadwick on the BBC coverage, although I wished she was given more chance to speak by Jenny Gow, even though I don't know whether I agree with her assessment of the Sam Bird clash.

Whether or not you agree with her, she called it, I called it, even Sam Bird called it with his less-than-enthusiastic celebration.

And it's not as if he and André Lotterer don't have some history after last season...

If Jenoch were still around, I would say, "Conspiracy theorists, stand up!" Because have you seen what that has done to the championship standings? ! :shock:

Posted: **10 Mar 2019, 20:38**

It's a shame such a great battle ended that way... and a five-second penalty doesn't really make sense. If it was largely his fault, the penalty for causing a race-ruining puncture should be bigger, and if it wasn't, he shouldn't be penalised.

Posted: **11 Mar 2019, 08:02**

UncreativeUsername37 wrote:It's a shame such a great battle ended that way... and a five-second penalty doesn't really make sense. If it was largely his fault, the penalty for causing a race-ruining puncture should be bigger, and if it wasn't, he shouldn't be penalised.

As it happens, that is exactly what Techeetah thought and why they seem to have tried to have the penalty against Bird increased.

Now, because time penalties cannot be protested, they tried to get around that by protesting the provisional results instead - but the stewards just rejected that move, noting that it wasn't meant to be a mechanism for protesting against penalties that can't be protested. Their attempt to get the penalty increased was therefore dismissed. https://www.racefans.net/2019/03/11/ste ... -for-bird/

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