Grand Prix Rejects

Ashley Watkinson should be retired, it would be a fair and quick way of ending the debate.

Dark77 wrote:Ashley Watkinson should be retired, it would be a fair and quick way of ending the debate.

I was actually considering taking over his DEC and doing just that. But it's resolved now.

Salamander wrote:I was actually considering taking over his DEC and doing just that. But it's resolved now.

No it isn't, he may be signed to Kamaha but he still doesn't have a manager, and I can't really think of a fair way of giving him one. What happens if they fire him? we can't just keep RNGing what he'll do.

Dark77 wrote:

Salamander wrote:I was actually considering taking over his DEC and doing just that. But it's resolved now.

No it isn't, he may be signed to Kamaha but he still doesn't have a manager, and I can't really think of a fair way of giving him one. What happens if they fire him? we can't just keep RNGing what he'll do.

I was under the impression that under force majure, Pasta would get the DECs of both Neuberg and Watkinson for 2016, giving us the entire season to sort out a more permanent solution for 2017.

We should start considering a limit on the amount of 2017 series.

Dark77 wrote:We should start considering a limit on the amount of 2017 series.

Not unpopular with me. I'm already not following every series religiously.

Dark77 wrote:We should start considering a limit on the amount of 2017 series.

I agree. To deliver another unpopular opinion, I think we should abolish the feeder series entirely. In my opinion, graduates from F2RWRS, F3RWRS and so on can be made up on the fly. I mean, it's mostly the winners and champions of such feeder series that make their way to the main series. So I don't see much need to carry on with the feeder series.

With no feeder series, we should have more room for other canon series. Like a proper endurance series for once.

Ferrarist wrote:

Dark77 wrote:We should start considering a limit on the amount of 2017 series.

I agree. To deliver another unpopular opinion, I think we should abolish the feeder series entirely. In my opinion, graduates from F2RWRS, F3RWRS and so on can be made up on the fly. I mean, it's mostly the winners and champions of such feeder series that make their way to the main series. So I don't see much need to carry on with the feeder series.

With no feeder series, we should have more room for other canon series. Like a proper endurance series for once.

I couldn't disagree more. As long as people are willing to run the series, and people are still signing up to them, what does it matter?

I agree with Salamander. I was a bit concerned about the number of series at the start of 2016. But 2016 went surprisingly well, so I see no need to cut down the number of series. The variety of series allows more members to take part, and to get some experience before entering the more complicated series, like F1RWRS.

About a proper endurance series, I'm planning one for 2017, as I don't think it makes sense to start in the middle of 2016.

I completely agree with Salamander on this. Granted, I don't follow any series other than F1-2RWRS, IFRC, SARS or F1RWRC (those in which I have drivers/teams and the one I'm running), but it's pretty easy to not follow the other ones. The only adverse effect this has had was on my performance in the PMMF quiz

As far as I see it, the only problem with more canon series is a longer wiki page for the calendar.

If we allow the current RWRS canon to expand at this rate, the very least we should do is to limit the amount of double-dutying or simultaneous participation in two or more series by the drivers. It's becoming more and more difficult for us series organisers to keep tabs on which drivers have clashes in the schedule and when. The calendar page on the wiki helps, but with the recent expansions it's also getting quite bloated. It doesn't help that some driver owners have a very lax attitude towards these clashes and leave it up to the organisers to find out about each drivers' individual schedule.

So what I'm proposing is that from next season onwards, it should be disallowed or at least greatly discouraged to enter your driver for more than one canon series at a time (unless the other one is a winter series and has no clashes with the summer season). If you are ready to spread your racing organisation wildly around the canon, you should also be ready to make sure you have enough drivers to race effectively and if you must enter a driver to a second series, make sure there are no clashes before announcing that.

It also helps with the retcon issue. At the start of the season, despite intense pressure to start the season already I decided to delay the IFRC pre-season tests until after the first F3RWRS weekend, because calendar-wise the tests were a week after them and some F3RWRS drivers had been entered for the tests. Turns out it was the correct decision, because Hwok Kwol-Cho was injured in the F3RWRS race so it would've looked really weird if he took part in a test session after such a short period of recovery. But sometimes, we don't have the luxury of delaying the races until running them would be correct calendar-wise (such as me being forced to run the IFRC round last week to avoid lagging behind the calendar until I'm able to do it again). Now imagine a hypothetical situation where one of the drivers entered for the Mosport GT-R race was also entered for the Laguna Seca IFRC round, and said driver would suffer a massive crash in GT-R which would surely sideline him for months, but because the IFRC round has already been run the only option would either to have him miraculously escape an injury or retcon the IFRC results. Neither of which are realistical options.

While I don't remember the above ever happening (or at least, not becoming a large issue), I'm afraid that with the constant calendar expansion and the insistence of certain users to enter their drivers to every category possible it will happen one day. And it won't be pretty.

dr-baker wrote:

Dark77 wrote:We should start considering a limit on the amount of 2017 series.

Not unpopular with me. I'm already not following every series religiously.

I only really follow LGPS (which I don't even have an entry in), IFRC, and of course, RTSS, though the latter is mostly due to that... erm, I run it.

It is a bit hard to keep up with anything else on a regular basis.

Nuppiz wrote:If we allow the current RWRS canon to expand at this rate, the very least we should do is to limit the amount of double-dutying or simultaneous participation in two or more series by the drivers. It's becoming more and more difficult for us series organisers to keep tabs on which drivers have clashes in the schedule and when. The calendar page on the wiki helps, but with the recent expansions it's also getting quite bloated. It doesn't help that some driver owners have a very lax attitude towards these clashes and leave it up to the organisers to find out about each drivers' individual schedule.

So what I'm proposing is that from next season onwards, it should be disallowed or at least greatly discouraged to enter your driver for more than one canon series at a time (unless the other one is a winter series and has no clashes with the summer season). If you are ready to spread your racing organisation wildly around the canon, you should also be ready to make sure you have enough drivers to race effectively and if you must enter a driver to a second series, make sure there are no clashes before announcing that.

It also helps with the retcon issue. At the start of the season, despite intense pressure to start the season already I decided to delay the IFRC pre-season tests until after the first F3RWRS weekend, because calendar-wise the tests were a week after them and some F3RWRS drivers had been entered for the tests. Turns out it was the correct decision, because Hwok Kwol-Cho was injured in the F3RWRS race so it would've looked really weird if he took part in a test session after such a short period of recovery. But sometimes, we don't have the luxury of delaying the races until running them would be correct calendar-wise (such as me being forced to run the IFRC round last week to avoid lagging behind the calendar until I'm able to do it again). Now imagine a hypothetical situation where one of the drivers entered for the Mosport GT-R race was also entered for the Laguna Seca IFRC round, and said driver would suffer a massive crash in GT-R which would surely sideline him for months, but because the IFRC round has already been run the only option would either to have him miraculously escape an injury or retcon the IFRC results. Neither of which are realistical options.

While I don't remember the above ever happening (or at least, not becoming a large issue), I'm afraid that with the constant calendar expansion and the insistence of certain users to enter their drivers to every category possible it will happen one day. And it won't be pretty.

I agree to impose a limit; Wizzie already took the measure and I'm taking it too and including it specifically on the F1RWRS rulebook, and I think it really should be adopted by all canon series

Drivers doing double duty might work for some of the GT series, but for everything else it would just be kind of odd. Plus, no double-duty would open the door for more people to get involved.

I hate the word reject being in almost every series name, it just looks tacky and makes the canon harder to take seriously

RonDenisDeletraz wrote:I hate the word reject being in almost every series name, it just looks tacky and makes the canon harder to take seriously

Then why are you even here? Don't like Rejects? Don't come to F1 Rejects.

Now you're just complaining for the sake of complaining!

Biscione wrote:

RonDenisDeletraz wrote:I hate the word reject being in almost every series name, it just looks tacky and makes the canon harder to take seriously

Then why are you even here? Don't like Rejects? Don't come to F1 Rejects.

Now you're just complaining for the sake of complaining!

Way to totally misinterpret me

I do like real life F1 Rejects a lot. I just think having a racing series with Reject in the name is a bit silly

RonDenisDeletraz wrote:I do like real life F1 Rejects a lot. I just think having a racing series with Reject in the name is a bit silly

It's not real, so it doesn't matter.

Ataxia wrote:

RonDenisDeletraz wrote:I do like real life F1 Rejects a lot. I just think having a racing series with Reject in the name is a bit silly

It's not real, so it doesn't matter.

It is only my opinion, hence why I posted it in an unpopular opinions thread. Obviously it isn't going to happen

And thus it was decreed, the Toyota Rejects Racing Series should henceforth be known as Rejecta Rejects Rejecting Rejecters.

Biscione wrote:

RonDenisDeletraz wrote:I hate the word reject being in almost every series name, it just looks tacky and makes the canon harder to take seriously

Then why are you even here? Don't like Rejects? Don't come to F1 Rejects.

Now you're just complaining for the sake of complaining!

Biscione wrote:And thus it was decreed, the Toyota Rejects Racing Series should henceforth be known as Rejecta Rejects Rejecting Rejecters.

Poor tennis, biscione, very poor tennis.

Klon wrote:

Biscione wrote:And thus it was decreed, the Toyota Rejects Racing Series should henceforth be known as Rejecta Rejects Rejecting Rejecters.

Poor tennis, biscione, very poor tennis.

He's Scottish, what do you expect?

RonDenisDeletraz wrote:I hate the word reject being in almost every series name, it just looks tacky and makes the canon harder to take seriously

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