1/43 F1 Reject-themed model collection

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 12 Aug 2011, 23:28

dr-baker wrote:
stupot94 wrote:I think this is my only reject F1 car. Driver mainly

http://yfrog.com/kfa3a2j

Boullion?

Bouillon is not a reject.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 13 Aug 2011, 07:44

Two new models, both of them reject drivers and both welcome additions to my ever-growing Minardi collection:

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 13 Aug 2011, 11:02

Why does Albers' car have Michelins on?

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 13 Aug 2011, 16:46

shinji wrote:Why does Albers' car have Michelins on?

Because it's from a test in the winter before the 2002 season. Minardi had Michelin tyres in 2001 and 2002.

leywso · Post by **leywso** » 18 Aug 2011, 22:39

Finally, I think I’ve found somewhere where I can unashamedly talk about a project I undertook a year or so ago. I’ve been boring various parents and friends about it to no avail!

Basically, like Faustus I’m a big fan of F1 1989-92 era as it was the time I got into F1 as a youth, and while watching "James May’s Toy Stories" last year I was inspired to come up with a challenge for myself based on my childhood love. The challenge was seemingly simple: to create a feasible 26-car grid of 1:43 cars from this era.

I set some parameters:
- teams cannot have two cars from different years
- drivers cannot appear twice
- an average cost limit (thus effectively limiting myself to diecast models by ONYX although a couple of Minichamps were necessary)

This threw up all sorts of headaches. For example I could not conceivably have two Footwork and two Larrouses on the grid, as the only diecast Footwork car produced was in ’92 (Alboreto/Suzuki), whereas the Larrouses from ’89, ’90 or ’91 featured either of these two drivers! The more you look into it, the more confusing it becomes due to the lack of teams produced, especially in 1989. What I would have given for a set of Warwick-Cheever Arrows cars!

Anyway, after much head scratching and months of ferreting away on Ebay and other websites, I finally reached the goal of a full grid, and present to you my ‘Fantasy Parc Ferme':

(NB Not sure why but Senna and part of Hill have been chopped off the right hand side)

Naturally I wanted them to be placed in some kind of grid order, so I looked at each driver’s average grid position in the year of the car used in my Fantasy Grid. So for example Alesi averaged 6.1 on the grid in 1991, so places him above Nannini who averaged 8.8 in 1989.

My Fantasy Grid reads as follows:

1. NIGEL MANSELL (Williams ’92)
2. AYRTON SENNA (McLaren ’90)
3. RICCARDO PATRESE (Williams ’92)
4. GERHARD BERGER (McLaren ’90)
5. ALAIN PROST (Ferrari ’91)
6. JEAN ALESI (Ferrari ’91)
7. ALESSANDRO NANNINI (Benetton ’89)
8. STEFANO MODENA (Tyrrell ’91)
9. PIERLUIGI MARTINI (Minardi ’90)
10. JOHNNY HERBERT (Lotus ’92)
11. THIERRY BOUTSEN (Ligier ’92)
12. ANDREA DE CESARIS (Jordan ’91)
13. ERIK COMAS (Ligier ’92)
14. MIKA HAKKINEN (Lotus ’92)
15. MICHELE ALBORETO (Footwork ’92)
16. AGURI SUZUKI (Larrouse ’90)
17. IVAN CAPELLI (March ’89)
18. ALEX CAFFI (Dallara ’89)
19. BERTRAND GATCHOT (Jordan ’91)
20. ERIC BERNARD (Larrouse ’90)
21. SATORU NAKAJIMA (Tyrrell ’91)
22. EMANUELLE PIRRO (Benetton ’89)
23. MAURICIO GUGELMIN (March ’89)
24. PAULO BARILLA (Minardi ’90)
25. ERIC VAN DE POELE (Brabham ’92)
26. DAMON HILL (Brabham ’92)

There are only two real 'rejects' in that grid (Barilla and Van De Poele), but still it was a great project to undertake.

The only two things that saddened me about the grid I made were (i) no Nelson Piquet and (ii) no number 1 car! I partially solved that by recently buying the '88 Piquet Lotus, even if it can't compete in my fantasy race.

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 20 Aug 2011, 12:14

That's an epic first post. Must resist spending money I don't have on eBay to make a similar fantasy grid...

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 20 Aug 2011, 13:26

Welcome leywso! Great post and awesome collection!
Do my eyes deceive me or are they all Onyx apart from the Brabham BT60s of van de Poele and Hill?

leywso · Post by **leywso** » 21 Aug 2011, 11:22

Thank you Faustus, yes they are all orriginal Onyx cars except for the two Brabhams by Minichamps. Good job Hill won the title to convince Minichamps to make those Brabhams!

Since then I've been collecting a few others which I will hopefully get a chance to show off, but in the meantime a question to ponder... who would win in this reject race?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 22 Aug 2011, 22:37

leywso wrote:
Since then I've been collecting a few others which I will hopefully get a chance to show off, but in the meantime a question to ponder... who would win in this reject race?

He he he. We call the Minardi driver there HWNSNBM around here. He's our Über-God. I hope that asks your question

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 24 Aug 2011, 11:16

1 more, which is a triple basically, because it goes into 3 of my collections: reject drivers, Minardi and Davidson.
The photo is a bit crap, sorry.

Row Man Gross-Gene · Post by **Row Man Gross-Gene** » 24 Aug 2011, 13:55

This thread makes me proud to be a member of this site. This kind of dedication and willingness to share is how this knowledge gets passed on to the next generation! BRAVO!

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 26 Aug 2011, 14:15

I met my 6th Year (last year of school) dean yesterday - in a glass cabinet in his office he has every Jordan from 1991 to 2005. Pretty impressive. I asked him about it and at home he has a similar display with a car from every season.

stupot94 · Post by **stupot94** » 26 Aug 2011, 20:37

shinji wrote:I met my 6th Year (last year of school) dean yesterday - in a glass cabinet in his office he has every Jordan from 1991 to 2005. Pretty impressive. I asked him about it and at home he has a similar display with a car from every season.

I wish the teachers in my school had the same intrests as me. I get bored of being the only one who has heard of HWNSNBM and Osella
And it doesnt help that I enjoy music from the 80s.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 26 Aug 2011, 21:49

stupot94 wrote:I wish the teachers in my school had the same intrests as me. I get bored of being the only one who has heard of HWNSNBM and Osella
And it doesnt help that I enjoy music from the 80s.

+1

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 26 Aug 2011, 22:02

stupot94 wrote:
shinji wrote:I met my 6th Year (last year of school) dean yesterday - in a glass cabinet in his office he has every Jordan from 1991 to 2005. Pretty impressive. I asked him about it and at home he has a similar display with a car from every season.

I wish the teachers in my school had the same intrests as me. I get bored of being the only one who has heard of HWNSNBM and Osella
And it doesnt help that I enjoy music from the 80s.

Yeah, he also has a framed copy of Sgt. Pepper on vinyl and a signed Irish rugby jersey - frankly, I was slightly terrified.

stupot94 · Post by **stupot94** » 26 Aug 2011, 22:13

shinji wrote:
stupot94 wrote:
shinji wrote:I met my 6th Year (last year of school) dean yesterday - in a glass cabinet in his office he has every Jordan from 1991 to 2005. Pretty impressive. I asked him about it and at home he has a similar display with a car from every season.

I wish the teachers in my school had the same intrests as me. I get bored of being the only one who has heard of HWNSNBM and Osella
And it doesnt help that I enjoy music from the 80s.

Yeah, he also has a framed copy of Sgt. Pepper on vinyl and a signed Irish rugby jersey - frankly, I was slightly terrified.

Were you in his office for a specific reason then?

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 26 Aug 2011, 22:22

shinji wrote:I met my 6th Year (last year of school) dean yesterday - in a glass cabinet in his office he has every Jordan from 1991 to 2005. Pretty impressive. I asked him about it and at home he has a similar display with a car from every season.

One of the maths teachers I had for the last year was a huge Formula 1 and Alonso fan, she's met Mark Webber and she hates the way all of the drivers say "for sure".

Before I found that out, I was slightly bored in her lessons. Saying that I was slightly bored by maths in general.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 27 Aug 2011, 04:38

redbulljack14 wrote:
shinji wrote:I met my 6th Year (last year of school) dean yesterday - in a glass cabinet in his office he has every Jordan from 1991 to 2005. Pretty impressive. I asked him about it and at home he has a similar display with a car from every season.

One of the maths teachers I had for the last year was a huge Formula 1 and Alonso fan, she's met Mark Webber and she hates the way all of the drivers say "for sure".

Before I found that out, I was slightly bored in her lessons. Saying that I was slightly bored by maths in general.

Maths is designed to be slightly boring.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 27 Aug 2011, 07:47

Two more models, both Minardi and both rejects:

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 27 Aug 2011, 16:23

Wizzie wrote:
Maths is designed to be slightly boring.

And that's why Nick Heidfeld is an excellent mathematician :lol:

Faustus wrote:Two more models, both Minardi and both rejects:

Someone care to explain me which is the circuit that's drawn on the upper part of the sidepods?

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 28 Aug 2011, 04:24

Im not sure what circuit it is, but I think it was a Hungarian sponsor, or perhaps it was where HWNSNBM started carting

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 28 Aug 2011, 10:30

I can't find my magnifier but as soon as I do I'll post what it says.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 03 Sep 2011, 08:06

Another reject, another Minardi:

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 04 Sep 2011, 09:35

Quick trivia quiz from that Yoong model. What race is that from?????

And there ARE Clues on that car to find out.....

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 04 Sep 2011, 09:59

David AGS wrote:Quick trivia quiz from that Yoong model. What race is that from?????

And there ARE Clues on that car to find out.....

Malaysia id guess...

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 04 Sep 2011, 10:23

David AGS wrote:Quick trivia quiz from that Yoong model. What race is that from?????

And there ARE Clues on that car to find out.....

Europe

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 04 Sep 2011, 11:39

No and No!

There is differences in sponsorship

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 04 Sep 2011, 11:51

I'm guessing the Gazprom sponsorship is the integral clue to the puzzle. Now, Gazprom is a Russian gas company so the logical answer would be the Hungarian Grand Prix as it's the only Eastern European race on the calender. However, Davidson was driving the Minardi instead of Yoong which meant I was back to square one. Then I looked at the list of Gazprom subsidiaries and there is a company in Germany wholly owned by Gazprom operating under basically the same name which meant that it should leave two choices, Europe and Germany. Since Jeroen guessed Europe and got it wrong that leaves the German Grand Prix as the logical answer.

Then again I could be wrong and everything I said could be utter crap. :lol:

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 04 Sep 2011, 12:21

This is the best pic of Yoong from Germany I can find on the F1R database. You can make out Gazprom, kind of...

midgrid · Post by **midgrid** » 04 Sep 2011, 15:14

From the third photo here, you can see that it isn't Germany. I've checked a contemporary annual which shows Gazprom stickers on the car from Hungary onwards (with an increase in size from Belgium onwards). The model can therefore be of the PS02 as it was liveried in Italy, the USA, or Japan.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 04 Sep 2011, 17:52

The Forza Minardi book has a couple of pictures of the car in Monza and although it's difficult to tell given the angles, it looks like that livery to me. Also, I notice Beta tools on there which is an Italian company (though also a long-time sponsor of Minardi so that could mean nothing!) so I'm guessing it's from Italy.

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 04 Sep 2011, 22:56

Lets cut it down to 50%.'

These models go into such details.

That is no way a rear wing for Monza!

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 06 Sep 2011, 11:03

3 more Minardi models:

This one is a reject, as well:

This is a strange model and I'm not sure why Minichamps bothered to release it, but I'm not complaining, because I think it looks very cool:

And finally the Arrows A23... I mean, Minardi PS04:

I really need to slow down on the model purchases.

stupot94 · Post by **stupot94** » 06 Sep 2011, 11:06

Faustus wrote:3 more Minardi models:

I really need to slow down on the model purchases.

No Dont!!! You will just go cold turkey and buy more. Then comes rehab, then you just buy one a week. and everyone is happy.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 13 Sep 2011, 10:28

Faustus wrote:
Andrea Moda wrote:Great idea Faustus. I wonder if Minichamps have already considered doing it themselves with the TF109 casting.

One question though - are you sure that is the model you would like to use? That is a 2009 showcar rather than the TF109 race car and all Minichamps showcars for 2009 were based on a 'generic' design as the 2008 cars were visually too different from the 2009-spec cars to use as showcars.

Personally, I thought this was disappointing as they had absolutely no resemblance to the real cars.

Arse! Arse! Arse! Arse!
You are absolutely right. It never occurred to me that the showcars would be so different from the race cars. I have other showcar models and they're almost the same as the racecars, apart from the livery. Well spotted and thank you!
The front wing endplates, the front wing mounts, the headrest and the exhausts are different and the sidepods have an extension. Bollocks. Actually, the nosecone is higher, so pretty much the front of the car is different. shite.
Oh well, the plan is still good, it's just a case of getting another model.
I will probably end up using the Glock showcar as a test, because it I doubt I'll be able to sell it back on eBay. It was pretty cheap anyway and I can practice my masking skills on it.
The decals experiments are still ongoing.

And the project is back on! I finally found a TF109 for a decent price, so I can strip it of paint, decals and varnish, prime it and spray it, hopefully this weekend.
Here is the model:

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 14 Sep 2011, 09:36

Another one, this time a reject again. Timo Glock in the Virgin VR-01 from 2010:

I have completely and thoroughly failed to stop buying because I've just bought another 5 Minardis, all of them quite cheap.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 14 Sep 2011, 21:36

Faustus wrote:I've got one model of the TF109 on the way and I'm trying to find at least 1 more. I'll do the black Pirelli car first and if it comes out alright, I'll do the white Pirelli car and the Stefan.

Is this the one you are attempting/have attemped? (This was a showcar at Monza.)

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 16 Sep 2011, 10:31

1 more for both the rejects collection and the Anthony Davidson collection, the BAR Honda 007 from the Malaysian Grand Prix of 2005:

I bought another BAR Honda 007, a Takuma Sato one, because it was very cheap and I want to use it for converting into one of the friday test cars.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 16 Sep 2011, 14:23

dr-baker wrote:
Faustus wrote:I've got one model of the TF109 on the way and I'm trying to find at least 1 more. I'll do the black Pirelli car first and if it comes out alright, I'll do the white Pirelli car and the Stefan.

Is this the one you are attempting/have attemped? (This was a showcar at Monza.)

http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz28 ... C03131.jpg
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz28 ... C03132.jpg
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz28 ... C03136.jpg

Thanks for the photos dr-baker!
That is the one and at the same time it isn't, if that makes sense.
The livery is very similar but it looks cooler with the coloured geometric shapes in the sidepods, monocoque and rear wing. Looks better than the normal car.
The showcar itself looks a little bizarre. It's not the Toyota TF109, because the front wing mounts and endplates and engine cover are different, which is to be expected from a showcar, I guess. I'm not sure which car it's based on.
By the way, would you say that the overall black was sort of semi-glossy? It's definitely not matt black, despite the fact that it looks it in some photos, but it doesn't look very glossy.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 17 Sep 2011, 07:20

1 more that arrived in the post this morning, the Jordan EJ15 tested by Sakon Yamamoto in 2005: