1923 Grand Prix Championship - Series discontinued

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 16 Apr 2015, 09:52

Helle Nice (born on 15th December 1900) began racing in around 1929, according to Wikipedia. Would I be able to enter her here, in a privateer Bugatti?

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 16 Apr 2015, 10:21

dr-baker wrote:Helle Nice (born on 15th December 1900) began racing in around 1929, according to Wikipedia. Would I be able to enter her here, in a privateer Bugatti?

Certainly, Bugatti would be very pleased to support Helle Nice. 45000 Francs will be the price for a private Bugatti.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 16 Apr 2015, 14:12

dr-baker wrote:Helle Nice (born on 15th December 1900) began racing in around 1929, according to Wikipedia. Would I be able to enter her here, in a privateer Bugatti?

As you said, she only started racing around 1929, so she won't be allowed to enter in 1923. You can enter Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo, if you are looking for a female driver from the early 1920s.

For all constructors: if you have not done so yet, please give a chassis and engine designation. It will be needed once a constructor has multiple chassis or engine designs.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 16 Apr 2015, 15:31

Alfa Romeo designations:

Chassis: P1
Engine: 26

Post by **tommykl** » 16 Apr 2015, 16:07

Both the Impéria chassis and engine will be referred to as the 8/12HP.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 16 Apr 2015, 16:28

Bentley will design a Tier 3 chassis called WO23 and a Tier 1 engine called Gallop 304. Two examples of both will be built.

Our driver options for the first car are:
Dario Resta
Frank Clement
Douglas Hawkes
John Duff
Tim Birkin

Our second car will be driven by Samuel Archibald Nurmester, a Great War veteran and investor in our company,

The team will be entered as Bentley Motors Ltd.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 16 Apr 2015, 16:57

Fiat's chassis is designated 805 and the engine is 405, the first supercharged engine in Grand Prix racing (well, it was in real life). Our name on the entry list will be the company's full name: Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino.

And by the way:

1,000th post!

Post by **Miguel98** » 16 Apr 2015, 17:18

Voisin's chassis is designed the V01 and the engine the Voisin1.

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 16 Apr 2015, 17:22

Rolland-Pilain chassis will be designated RP001 and the engine RP1.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 16 Apr 2015, 19:58

pi314159 wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Helle Nice (born on 15th December 1900) began racing in around 1929, according to Wikipedia. Would I be able to enter her here, in a privateer Bugatti?

As you said, she only started racing around 1929, so she won't be allowed to enter in 1923. You can enter Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo, if you are looking for a female driver from the early 1920s.

If there had been a North American round or two, I may have looked at Joan LaCosta/Marion Martins or Elfreida Mais (also featured on that webpage). But European drivers in the European races seem more realistic. Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo seems a decent choice. And choosing an Italian car would seem more appropriate and realistic for her.

I suppose it would be unrealistic to suppose Joan LaCosta/Marion Martins would return to France to compete in the French Grand Prix, despite their French nationality?

Rabbi Gordon · Post by **Rabbi Gordon** » 16 Apr 2015, 20:15

In case he isn't chosen as a factory driver for Hispano-Suiza, I would like to enter Pierre de Vizcaya as a privateer. Currently the plan is to do a full season and I'd like to inquire about a possible Hispano-Suiza engine being available for purchase.

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 16 Apr 2015, 23:11

Benz's chassis will be designated RH-01 and engine KFB1. The team will be entered as Benz & Cie.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 17 Apr 2015, 00:04

Delages (both chassis and engine) will be called Type 2 LCV, as i think that's how the actual 1923 Grand Prix car was called.

simonracer · Post by **simonracer** » 17 Apr 2015, 06:00

Both the Sunbeam engine and chassis will be known as the 23.

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Apr 2015, 09:16

Delage's driver choices:

1. Arthur Duray
2. Raymond de Tornaco
3. André Dills
4. Nicolas Caerels
5. Charles Montier

All Belgian, of course.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 18 Apr 2015, 06:24

The deadline for the first round of driver signing will close Monday, 6 PM CEST. Signups for both privateers and small constructors will remain open after that deadline.

Also, the starting budget for privateers has been increased to 60 000 F, since the costs for purchasing cars are slightly higher than I expected.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 18 Apr 2015, 17:04

Apparently i forgot to build a third engine *facepalm* Well, i request for it now!

Privateer cars will be available for 43750 francs! Not only is the Delage fast, it's also very comfortable to drive.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 22 Apr 2015, 20:16

Outcome of the driver RNG:
FIAT:
Felice Nazzarro
René Thomas
Giuseppe Campari

Bugatti:
Jules Goux
Jimmy Murphy

Alfa Romeo:
Antonio Ascari
Guido Meregalli
Pietro Bordino

Sunbeam:
Henry Segrave
Albert Divo
Kenelm Lee Guinness

Delage:
Jean Chassagne
Albert Guyot
André Boillot (part-time)

Bentley:
Dario Resta

AC Cars:
Sammy Davis
Clive Gallop

Impéria:
Arthur Duray

Benz:
Christian Lautenschlager

Hispano-Suiza:
Manso de Zuniga
Ferdinand de Vizcaya

Voisin:
Robert Benoist

Rolland-Pilain:
André Lagache

RNG Results:
RNG was run in case several teams wanted the same driver. If you had a driver on your list, but your team doesn't show up here, that is because you already got a driver who was higher up on your list.

René Thomas:
Higher odds for Delage due to Thomas being French and having competed with Delage in the past.
1-50 Delage
51-80 FIAT
81-100 Sunbeam

56, he prefers FIAT; then 36, keeps Delage as his backup option

Jean Chassagne:
Higher odds for Delage due to Chassagne being French, but only slight advantage as Sunbeam are a slightly larger team.

1-55 Delage
56-100 Sunbeam

49, he prefers Delage, but keeps Sunbeam as his backup option, with the one-off Delage entry as his 2nd backup choice.

Jules Goux:
Jules Goux has four options:Delage, Bugatti, FIAT and Sunbeam. Bugatti and FIAT have the best odds, due to being the largest teams.

1-40 Bugatti
41-70 FIAT
71-85 Delage
86-100 Sunbeam

38, Goux signs for Bugatti

Henry Segrave:
Henry Segrave has offers from AC, Voisin, Fiat and Sunbeam

1-40 FIAT
41-80 Sunbeam
81-95 AC Cars
96-100 Voisin

53, Segrave joins Sunbeam

Antonio Ascari::
1-50 FIAT
51-95 Alfa Romeo
96-100 AC Cars

6, Ascari wants to join FIAT, but...

Felice Nazzarro:
1-50 FIAT
51-95 Alfa Romeo
96-100 AC Cars

36, Nazzarro signs for FIAT; so Ascari signs for Alfa Romeo instead.

Pietro Bordino:
1-55 FIAT
56-100 Alfa

72, He signs for Alfa

Albert Divo:
1-65 Sunbeam
66-100 Sunbeam

36, he signs for Sunbeam

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 22 Apr 2015, 20:36

Alfa Romeo would still like to sign Enzo Ferrari as a reserve if possible.

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 22 Apr 2015, 21:36

pi314159 wrote:Benz (unnamed) chassis 1
Benz (unnamed) engine 1

This should be RH-01 (chassis) and KFB-1 (engine). Cheers.

Post by **Ataxia** » 22 Apr 2015, 22:13

Rabbi Gordon wrote:In case he isn't chosen as a factory driver for Hispano-Suiza, I would like to enter Pierre de Vizcaya as a privateer. Currently the plan is to do a full season and I'd like to inquire about a possible Hispano-Suiza engine being available for purchase.

If 25000 F sounds okay to you, I think we've got a deal.

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 22 Apr 2015, 22:41

I would like to enter Martin De Alzaga as a privateer, chassis and engine to be announced.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 22 Apr 2015, 22:45

Normal32 wrote:I would like to enter Martin De Alzaga as a privateer, chassis and engine to be announced.

Fiat is willing to offer a top-of-the-range chassis-engine combo, reduced in price to 43,000 F.

1,049th post

I've made 50 posts in the last six days?!

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 22 Apr 2015, 22:48

Simtek wrote:
Normal32 wrote:I would like to enter Martin De Alzaga as a privateer, chassis and engine to be announced.

Fiat is willing to offer a top-of-the-range chassis-engine combo, reduced in price to 43,000 F.

1,049th post

I've made 50 posts in the last six days?!

Sure thing.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 22 Apr 2015, 22:52

Normal32 wrote:
Simtek wrote:
Normal32 wrote:I would like to enter Martin De Alzaga as a privateer, chassis and engine to be announced.

Fiat is willing to offer a top-of-the-range chassis-engine combo, reduced in price to 43,000 F.

1,049th post

I've made 50 posts in the last six days?!

Sure thing.

In that case Fiat will build 805 chassis 4 and 405 engine 4, which will be sold to Martin de Alzaga for the aforementioned price of 43,000 francs. We at Fiat wish señor de Alzaga the very best of luck

Rabbi Gordon · Post by **Rabbi Gordon** » 22 Apr 2015, 22:54

Ataxia wrote:
Rabbi Gordon wrote:In case he isn't chosen as a factory driver for Hispano-Suiza, I would like to enter Pierre de Vizcaya as a privateer. Currently the plan is to do a full season and I'd like to inquire about a possible Hispano-Suiza engine being available for purchase.

If 25000 F sounds okay to you, I think we've got a deal.

List price is fair price. It's bought.
Thank you.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 22 Apr 2015, 23:02

Hm, didn't get the 2 top drivers we were aming for, but i got 3 drivers with Indy 500 experience and decent results over there, so i can't complain. They should do fine on high speed circuits. Just hope they haven't forget how to take right turns.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 22 Apr 2015, 23:23

Any Privateer looking to buy a chassis and engine combination AC Cars can provide a complete package for 38000 F each

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 22 Apr 2015, 23:30

Benz will sell a RH-01/KFB-1 chassis/engine combo to any privateers for 43,500 F. Top of the line Tier 1 car and engine!

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 22 Apr 2015, 23:44

V8fan12 wrote:Benz will sell a RH-01/KFB-1 chassis/engine combo to any privateers for 43,500 F. Top of the line Tier 1 car and engine!

Mon dieu! Le Dzerman trazcan costs as much as a top de l'art French Luczuruus Delage for dze same prix! Vat a pretentious! Oui, ve will make dze tricolor appear on dze podium! Oui, Delage qualité for 43500 francs. Oui, you read it, francs! Ze Alsace belongs to glorieux France!

Post by **Nuppiz** » 23 Apr 2015, 13:09

Noticed on the wiki that I'm the only team running a fictional driver. Did people forget that they can run fictional drivers as well, or am I just the only one who cared enough to make a new character (although I've had him planned for a long time already)?

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 23 Apr 2015, 13:31

Nuppiz wrote:Noticed on the wiki that I'm the only team running a fictional driver. Did people forget that they can run fictional drivers as well, or am I just the only one who cared enough to make a new character (although I've had him planned for a long time already)?

Louis-Antoine Voeckler says hi :glasses:

(Yes, I changed his middle name to something more period-appropriate).

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 23 Apr 2015, 14:52

Nuppiz wrote:Noticed on the wiki that I'm the only team running a fictional driver. Did people forget that they can run fictional drivers as well, or am I just the only one who cared enough to make a new character (although I've had him planned for a long time already)?

I made one but nobody seemed interested...

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 23 Apr 2015, 16:08

Pierre de Vizcaya (by Rabbi Gordon) and Maria Antonietta d'Avanzo (by dr-baker) are now included in the teams and drivers section. I'm not sure about Normal32's privateer entry, since he is already running Rolland-Pilain.

Entries for the Targa Florio are now open!
Since the rule is that you have to enter each race individually, you'll now have two weeks to announce your participation in that race. Please specify which cars and drivers are going to be entered.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 23 Apr 2015, 17:18

FIAT's entries for the Targa Florio

Felice Nazzaro: FIAT 805/1-FIAT 405/1
René Thomas: FIAT 805/2-FIAT 405/2
Giuseppe Campari: FIAT 805/3-FIAT 405/3

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 23 Apr 2015, 17:40

Bugatti's entries will be as follows

Bugatti Type 32/1-Bugatti M8-23/1 (Jules Goux)
Bugatti Type 32/2-Bugatti M8-23/2 (Louis-Antoine Voeckler)
Bugatti Type 32/3-Bugatti M8-23/3 (Jimmy Murphy)

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 23 Apr 2015, 18:08

L'entréé de Delage pour la Targa Florio

Jean Chassagne (FRA)
Delage 2LCV chassis 1 + Delage 2LCV engine 1
Albert Guyot (FRA)
Delage 2LCV chassis 2 +Delage 2LCV engine 2

Post by **Nuppiz** » 23 Apr 2015, 18:12

Bentley enters Dario Resta in Car/Engine 1 and Samuel Nurmester in Car/Engine 2 for Targa Florio.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 23 Apr 2015, 18:15

Biscione wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:Noticed on the wiki that I'm the only team running a fictional driver. Did people forget that they can run fictional drivers as well, or am I just the only one who cared enough to make a new character (although I've had him planned for a long time already)?

Louis-Antoine Voeckler says hi

(Yes, I changed his middle name to something more period-appropriate).

Well, i created one fictional driver as a reserve, but considering he doesn't have much racing pedigree yet, he has to work up his way trough the ranks as a test-and-reserve driver. Considering the dangers involved in racing in this era, it's actually very likely he won't have to wait years to get his chance.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 23 Apr 2015, 18:37

To better reflect reality, I would like to change the engine designations of the current Alfa engines from '26' to '6C 23' if possible.